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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:03] Speaker B: What'S up y'? [00:00:04] Speaker A: All? [00:00:04] Speaker B: Welcome back to sources from the Sofa Sports podcast. We have a full pod for you this week to kick off the week. We recap some of the games from college football, go over Aaron's college games of the week, some upsets, blowout victories and some close calls. Jason's feeling a little down. Notre Dame and the Chicago Bears both took big L's this weekend and Aaron has a pretty interesting team, a surprise team that could be 11 and 1. And after we look at the schedule, I don't know, it's possible. You don't want to miss that. We also recap week two of the NFL. This was before the Monday night games we're recording now Sunday nights to kind of get instant reaction. But first, before we get back to the rest of the pod and also cover the Canelo Crawford fight, let's talk about Monday night's games first. With the Bucks and Texans really close tightly contestant it was a really tight battle. I was, we were actually shocked. Me and Aaron kind of called this one here. We both had Texans now and we weren't feeling too good when we were recording Sunday night. And for good reason though. Baker Mayfield, man, a leader, a man. Things were kind of tight throughout the game and when they needed him to deliver once again, he delivered 25 for 38, 215 yards, two touchdowns. Nothing crazy but deliver when it counted. So they inch out of victory 20 to 19. Obviously the points drive was not covered. So Texans man 02 really talented team. They got a lot to answer for. That's all I got on that game. Pretty exciting stuff. Can't say so much about the second Monday night game though, which featured I keep on wanting to see the San Diego Chargers, the Los Angeles Chargers and the Oakland Raiders. It was, it was just ugly. Just wasn't good, you know. Herbert, I, I, I think up to the half right, you know, Chargers were already up 176 I think and, and nothing much happened after that. I feel like they could have been winning it by a lot more. Herbert, you know his numbers look good, right? Two touchdowns, no turnovers now to start the year. Kind of weird though. He also led the team in rushing. Like you don't really want to see that. They got Najee Harris, not sure how Pirate Harris, however you want to call him, that's going to work out in the long run, but has not looked like the thousand yard rusher that was from the Pittsburgh Spillers so far. Keane Allen, McConkey all contributed but no one had like a big, big Game. Raiders on the other hand, just nine points. They're one and one. Remember they. That was a surprising upset in New England and New England had a pretty big win this week. But Geno Smith, man, just above 50, 180 yards, three interceptions. Three interceptions. I think what's been going around socials was him running around. It was like fourth and long and he extended the play probably a good 7 to 10 seconds and just ended up throwing it away. It's like nobody was open. You just toss it away. It just has not looked good. You know, I like Geno, man. I like Geno, but it's starting to look like the Geno from the Jets. I know it's only week two, but you got Chip Kelly over there. He's reunited with his coach back in Seattle. You gotta imagine, man, when you have all that offensive firepower in the brain, trust in the and and the coaching staff and as well as Tom Brady overlooking up above. Remember he was in the coach's booth to put up just nine points in a very anemic offense. Not very good. Ashton Genti, he's on my fantasy team and so far not much, just 11 carries which, you know, not bad. I guess it is the rookie year, but 43 yards just couldn't really break away for anything. He hasn't looked really fast. He hasn't had that explosive power that you, that he became known for back in college. So Raiders, I would say this is not what you want in that tough division. Chargers though, man, I would say they're up there. They're up there with the contenders so far to start off the year. But you know, I never liked double Monday night games. One's always good, one's always bad, you know, just, just stick the one. I would have been happy with the bucks in Texas. Even though I lost, I was still happy with the results. I'm a big Mayfield fan and he delivered and that's what matters most. So that's enough of me. Let's get back on to the rest of the pod with a little college football. It is Sunday night, just minutes after Sunday night football. This is our second week now. Typically we did it after all the Monday night games, but I'm kind of digging this. What do you guys think? Yeah, I thought it was a pretty fun day of watching football. Some pretty exciting games that went down to the wire, some cuff on behind victories. Dude, field goal kicking has been so exciting this year. Give it up for the Dallas Cowboys. Man, that guy came in clutch twice in that game. Not only as minute as the seconds were taken away at the end of regulation. But then again in overtime. It's so wild, man. It is so wild. [00:05:44] Speaker A: Absolutely clutch for 3,500 plus contestants in circa Survivor that were on the edge of their seat during those kicks, I can tell you that. [00:05:53] Speaker B: Oh, really? Did a lot of people pick the Cowboys this week? [00:05:56] Speaker A: Cowboys were taken by almost 20% of the field. [00:05:59] Speaker B: That's crazy. [00:06:02] Speaker A: My roommate. My roommate was one of them that took him as part of one of his entries this week. [00:06:06] Speaker B: Wow. [00:06:08] Speaker A: He also had the Bengals and he also had the Steelers who went out. So he's. He's down to two injuries remaining. [00:06:17] Speaker B: Wow. Remember, I said UPS alert, man. The Steelers could lose that and they did. I'm disappointed. I'm pretty bummed, man. It's been a rough weekend. Being a Steelers fan who knew on. [00:06:33] Speaker C: A kickoff, you know, you needed to like touch the ball and like hold it and, you know. [00:06:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Because he's a rookie. So when it goes in the end zone, college, it's a dead ball practice that you would. You would think, right? [00:06:45] Speaker B: Yeah, dude. [00:06:45] Speaker A: And maybe he thought his ball was just gonna roll out and go back to the back. I mean, it literally was what, about two feet from the end zone? [00:06:51] Speaker B: It was pretty close to rolling. [00:06:52] Speaker A: It was really close. [00:06:53] Speaker C: It was close. I was also questioning in that play, like, did the Seahawks player actually get possession before he touched Is they. They declared that a touchdown pretty quickly. I'm like, he was out of bounds. [00:07:05] Speaker A: Up with the ball. No, no. [00:07:07] Speaker C: That's why I was like. I was kind of surprised. Like, they declared it so easily and it stood because. Yeah, like, in the moment, I was like, okay, it was a bad play. But like, they got lucky because he's like, he's out of bounds, but I don't know. [00:07:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know either. I'm not trying to relive. [00:07:21] Speaker A: It was close. [00:07:22] Speaker B: Not trying to relive it. Oh, well, it's all right. It's all good. It's a lot more weeks of football. It could be worse, right? It could always be worse for a football fan. Let's recap the Sunday night game. First though, Falcons, Vikings, now they're both one and one. McCarthy had two interceptions. I don't know. I thought he did as good as he could do. He was getting pressured a lot. Sacked. [00:07:49] Speaker A: What? [00:07:49] Speaker B: Like what? I know. It's five times in the first half. I couldn't even count. What was the. In the second half, one led to a fumble. He looked like a little rag doll, dude. Every time they got to him. The Falcons defense really woke up and they pressured pretty well. Bijon Robinson was a beast breaking away with that big gain. And I think it was like the first drive, right, but they just kind of. I, I think they just only came away with a field goal. It was just field goals basically till, till the fourth quarter. But now we have, aside from that fourth quarter miracle where the Vikings were running on all cylinders, they look, they look lost. [00:08:25] Speaker C: I think it's been seven quarters of not great football offensively for them. I know they had a ton of injuries on defense, but if you take away the fourth quarter versus my Chicago Bears, it hasn't looked great for the Vikings. And that's really what Aaron and I said in the season preview as we talked about what we're going to expect from JJ McCarthy. We were mostly right for the first three quarters of that Bears game. He made some big throws in the fourth quarter versus the Bears, but he was going against their third, fourth and fifth corners with Justin Jefferson and also, you know, I'll complain about the rest. Got a few, few breaks in the referees in that game that kept them alive to go that, to go that down to get that win. But yeah, I mean, didn't look great this entire game versus a, you know, a better pass rush against Atlanta. I think Atlanta, they, they highlighted in the broadcast. They invest, invested in that defensive line, be able to rush four and you know, put some different, you know, blitzing packages in there to get after the quarterback, Justin Jefferson, they kept him kind of at bay, didn't let beat them. And also they never really had the running game going either. I don't, I don't know. It seemed like Aaron Jones was out. I don't know at what point, but he was still kind of going up and down the sidelines. But Jordan Mason really never was able to break free or anything. And I know he's kind of the more of the red zone back it seemed like they would kind of do. But yeah, I think this was the Vikings team that I think Aaron I talked about that would probably finish last in the division. You know, maybe they might finish third down considering of results of today. But I think that for the Falcons, more importantly was a team all last season we expect to step up. They did step up versus the Buccaneers in some games, but then with drop games, they should have won. You know, this is a game they probably should win. And in a division that doesn't have a ton of great teams, I mean you have a pretty bad Saints team, pretty bad Panthers Team, the Buccaneers, we're all pretty high on, so going to be again their kind of rival for that division title. You know, this, this is a good win for the Falcons and I think they start putting things together. They got my guy, Kyle Pitts involved, you know, in there. Yeah. So it was good seeing that Drake London was pretty quiet, but he got a few catches there down the stretch. And like I said, Bijan, they're able to, you know, really ride him. And then even towards the end, Tyler, Tyler Algier, able to do a different change of pace and get yards out of him productively too. So I think there's a lot to like for the Falcons out of this game too. Not just all being with the Vikings, what they couldn't get done, but the Falcons, you know, there's, there's talent on this roster and I think they could be maybe taking the step this year. [00:10:50] Speaker B: Yeah, they have talent, but they really couldn't fit in his drives either. They just settled for field goals for the most part. Penix didn't like really wow. All too much, but I guess if you're looking at the percentage, it's still 60% plus. [00:11:05] Speaker C: It was a wowing. He's still, he's still learning too, I think. But you know, if you're able to win games. [00:11:10] Speaker A: Only his fifth career start, so. [00:11:12] Speaker B: Yeah, but Robinson though, like getting him going, like I thought that was really huge for them. [00:11:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean the run game is what they leaned their hat on. They got him going. They got him going in the first drive. I think the key for Atlanta was a defense. The defense has. They showed a stat with the last six years. They've ranked at the bottom in sacks per game. Yeah, they got six today. Like Jason said, they invested two first round picks out of the sec, a guy out of Georgia, a guy out of Tennessee. They each had a sack in this game. Both good and the blitz packages. They had a real nice game plan. You know, they brought over the coach from the Jets. The jets, he's now the defensive coordinator. He had a great game plan. Really confused. JJ double doubled Jefferson when they had to. The tight end, one of the better ones for the Vikings didn't have a catch to the last drive really in the fourth quarter. Atlanta, like you said, Rome, Pinnocks didn't have a great game, but they didn't need him to, you know, he managed, got first downs when he needed to. They got Robinson, Bijan going. This is a nice win for Atlanta coming off that disappointing loss in which they basically haven't Cut coup. But they moved him to the practice squad. They brought in this new kicker. He goes five for five. That this is a nice win for them. They got Carolina next, so, I mean, if you're Atlanta, you're feeling pretty good getting this win on the road. In a game, you know, you're a three and a half point underdog. Not a lot of people were expecting you to win this game. I mean, Jason did have them, but. [00:12:35] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, good win. I, I still think it's too early for the Vikings to kind of say their season's done. They're still figuring a lot of things out. They're still loaded. I think J.J. missed. He had some nice throws deep. Just like overthrew Jefferson a couple times. They could have gone for some big gains and who knows? That could probably change the momentum of it. But obviously rookie vibes here. But the O line looked really shaky. Man, they, they couldn't protect him for. And it's not like JJ was holding the ball for a long time. He was under duress, quick and really fast. [00:13:08] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't think the season's done. Super talented team, obviously how many games they won a year ago. But like the rest of the NFC north though, they do have a really tough schedule. You know, they're going to have the Bengals and the Steelers coming up. Those are going to be some really tough games. But maybe the Bengal. The Bengals game maybe got a little easier right now with Joe Burrow being out. The Steelers. Steelers is going to be overseas, I believe. I think it's in England or they're gonna play back to back games in England versus Steelers and Browns. So you know, it's. And then they come back overseas. They're gonna play the Eagles and Chargers. So I mean they have a, they have a tough schedule. I think that was part of it, what we were looking at from, you know, the NFC north perspective. So it's not over with, but it doesn't get really much easy here over the, over the next couple weeks because they're going to just have three AFC north teams right in a row and they got to get things kind of turned around a little bit. But I think the second half of the season, as you see maybe some growth from JJ McCarthy and then the injuries aspect too. You're talking, you know, they defensively start. [00:14:03] Speaker B: Out today on defense. [00:14:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:07] Speaker A: Harrison, Smith, Cashman was out. So they got a couple guys out on that defense. [00:14:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:14] Speaker C: And then they're going to get Jordan Addison back, which is another weapon. Opposite. Opposite Jason Justin Jefferson. So that'll be, you know, something to add to the offense. So there's still more to, like, I think the. It's not over for the Vikings. You know, they're. They're one and one. There's other teams that are worse out there right now, so. [00:14:28] Speaker A: But yeah, I mean, it's, it's. Their season's not over, but they're scheduled. This schedule is really tough. I mean, you got Cincinnati, that's a home game. It looks a lot better now with Burrow being down. The two international games that Jason mentioned. Then you come back with Philly, Chargers, Detroit, Baltimore, mix in Chicago, then at Green Bay, at Seattle. So this is a tough stretch. [00:14:51] Speaker B: They need to get this win. [00:14:52] Speaker A: They're gonna, they're gonna get the left tackle back here in the next week. Likely he's been practicing. Coming off that ACL tear last year against the Rams, they got to get Kelly back, who went out the center with a concussion in this one. And the key was they did not get the run game going. That was a big key in the. Against the Bears. They got Mason going. He had what he averaged, I think in that fourth quarter, almost 60 yards of carry today. No run game. The offensive line, the offensive line was confused by the different four or five man pressures and blitz packages that the Falcons brought. And they couldn't stop Bijan Robinson from getting first downs. I mean, every first down they got the ball, it seemed like it was second and four, second and three. Atlanta never really felt much pressure. And then four turnovers. You're not, you're not going to beat anybody in the National Football League. Turning the ball over four times. [00:15:40] Speaker B: There was like a lot of close games. I don't know if you guys want to talk about the close games or maybe let's talk about the quick blowouts and kind of breeze through them really quickly. Aaron, I'll let you decide. [00:15:49] Speaker A: Let's go close games. [00:15:51] Speaker B: Let's go close games first. [00:15:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:53] Speaker B: What close game do you want to talk about first? Because there's like several. We got Giants, Cowboys, I mean, right. [00:15:58] Speaker A: There, Rome, I think that was. That was the best close game of the day. [00:16:01] Speaker B: It was really exciting. It was good. Giants showed some heart, man. Like, they played great. It was a. [00:16:06] Speaker A: It was. [00:16:07] Speaker B: It was like kind of like, what are these two teams doing for like three, three quarters? And the fourth quarter came around and lights out, man. Russell Wilson, what do you have? He had like 400 plus yards, 455. [00:16:18] Speaker A: Passing that moon ball three times. [00:16:21] Speaker C: A career career record for him or something like that. [00:16:23] Speaker B: They said, oh, was it? [00:16:25] Speaker C: I think, I'm pretty sure they said something about that. It was like one of the biggest games he had in his career, dude. [00:16:30] Speaker B: 30 for 41 solid. Three touchdowns, one interception. Dak had a great game. [00:16:35] Speaker A: That interception, that was bad, dude. I mean even if they burned a little more time off that clock, that game probably ends in a tie possibly. That was a bad interception late. [00:16:43] Speaker B: Oh, I did see that. My bad. I did see that. Scatterbilly got him involved, but not too much. Got a touchdown td. Lamb was involved. Malik Neighbors, man, that guy got some gloves on him. 160 plus yards, two touchdown grabs. It was really exciting. I was really hopeful that the Giants were going to win. And then Dallas, man, just they got so much fight. Two back to back weeks. What are you guys thoughts on this game? [00:17:07] Speaker C: I think the most hilarious thing about this game is this is the perfect matchup that generally is always on Sunday Night Football that they jammed down our throats for the last decade plus. [00:17:17] Speaker B: I would have loved it actually. [00:17:18] Speaker C: Well, it would have been great this time. But the point is it's generally a terrible game that only people in like New York and Dallas care about. But it's going to get a ton of ratings because it's New York and Dallas and so they don't put it on there because these teams we're gonna get gonna stink. And then, hey, they put the best game out of the afternoon at like 10 in the morning, west coast time. [00:17:35] Speaker B: It was crazy. Yeah, Yeah. [00:17:36] Speaker A: I mean, what is it? I mean this is typically what a 19 to 13 type game? Maybe even 13 to 7 boring game. I mean, we saw the Giants last week. They got six points. They, I mean they got six points against the commander's team that we saw on Thursday get, you know, torched up and down the field by Green Bay. So I didn't expect a lot from the Giants coming in offensively. I've always talked about how I like their defense even though it got torched up today in a shootout. [00:18:00] Speaker B: But yeah, when I was like listening to last week's pot and Jason was like, dude, you and Aaron have been trying to talk me into all the talent and the Giants team and I just started laughing because you're right, Jason. [00:18:10] Speaker A: Talked about the Giants this week. [00:18:13] Speaker B: We've been like kind of jamming it down your throat. Just like, dude, this team is down. Take them, take them. It's so fun. It's like, it's, it's like a cult that, that being Aaron got here about, about the Giants. But it was a lot of fun. [00:18:25] Speaker C: They got, they got neighbors the ball. So I was like, that was. That was a. That was a big thing and obviously got them to where they needed to be down in that last fourth quarter. But yeah, there's some talent there. But man, like, I don't know. Rome, you saw Russ play last year. If you look back to like last year when he first came out, taking over for Fields, throws those moon balls, he's getting the balls on the field. You're excited about him. [00:18:46] Speaker B: Everyone falls in love with them. [00:18:48] Speaker A: Pre. [00:18:48] Speaker C: Pregame they were talking was this his last start is in the NFL. [00:18:52] Speaker A: Like that was like, I think I. [00:18:53] Speaker C: Brought that up last week and the broadcast I was. I think a couple of the pregame shows were talking about like they're just itching for like Jackson dart. Like I know the ESPN pre Sunday countdown was. Rex Ryan was all going like, you got to get Jackson dart in there. And you know, I don't know what you're doing with, you know, Russell's basically, he's saying he's washed. I don't know if Russell's the answer. I mean, obviously he's bought himself at least another couple weeks with his performance today, for sure. [00:19:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:19] Speaker C: For me, I don't even know if Jackson darts the answer. And you want to let him develop versus throwing Jameis in there first. If you're going to make a change, there's a reason you brought him aboard. But I think Russ basically brought. Bought himself a little more time for. For what he did this week, even with the bad interception at the end of the game. [00:19:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I think, I think this is actually a good game and a good spot for Russ and the Giants because with Micah not there, let's be real, the Cowboys have no pass rush and they get. They had nothing going for them today. That's what allowed, I think, for Russ to kind of get cooking, feel comfortable. I mean, if you give him time, he could still throw a beautiful deep ball. Neighbors was just getting behind the safeties, getting behind the secondary there made some big plays. I mean, they threw a what, 60 yard pass with 30 seconds ago in the game and they were down four. I mean, it's a play you should not give up in the NFL. And they got like multiple, multiple plays just running the same thing. You know, we'll see how they look this week next Sunday. Actually they're on next Sunday. Jason, you get your win against Kansas City? Yeah, I guess we get two terrible offenses. So we think so I'm gonna, you know, maybe we get a 40 to 35 shootout. I think it's gonna be more like 20 to 15, but we'll see what happens. [00:20:30] Speaker C: Well, I'll be driving back from downtown Chicago and I'll probably miss the Sunday night game next week, so I won't have to. We'll have to watch it. You'll have to fill me in. [00:20:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Congrats on the Cowboys, man. Pretty exciting win. And like, I was watching the post of the post game in there in the locker room, and I don't know, man. Shoddy dude. It seems like they really like him. It's like some good vibes in there. I don't know. I can't really explain it. [00:20:53] Speaker A: Everybody likes everybody when you win a game. I can tell you that right now. [00:20:58] Speaker B: Well, you know, just like. Yeah, so far it's been. So far, so good. Another close game. Where should we go? [00:21:08] Speaker A: You gotta go. I think Jason said it best. You got to go to the At Bowl. I mean, that was a great game. That was a great game right there. [00:21:16] Speaker B: It was really great. [00:21:18] Speaker A: My boy Steichen out. Out coaching, Peyton. [00:21:21] Speaker B: Broncos 28, Colts 29, Colts 2. [00:21:24] Speaker C: And, oh, you say, you say out coaching, but it comes down to, you know, what's the penalty at the end of the game that basically gave him. [00:21:32] Speaker A: Like, you got it, you got, you got to coach it, you got to coach it, right? It's fundamentals. And right there, one team didn't have them, another did. And you're looking at a 29, 28 at the gun. [00:21:44] Speaker B: I was watching that. [00:21:45] Speaker C: No, go ahead, Rome. [00:21:46] Speaker B: Well, I was just watching it here at the house, like after brunch, and I'm like, man, I was going for the Colts and to see him like shank the shit out of that 60 yard attempt and then it's like a, A leverage call. I'm like a penalty. We get 50 more yards and bam. Dude, like, you know, he's hitting it. The second time I was yelling my ass off here, it was. It was a really exciting game. Daniel Jones, man, another. I think this is the first time he's had back to back good games since that one year that they went to the playoffs with the Giants. Bo Nick showed some promise, too. A little bit better. 22 for 33 touchdowns, interception. Jonathan Taylor, though, like, they got him way more involved in this game. That was really important. They really pounded the ball. Are like some of the takeaways from this one. [00:22:28] Speaker C: Because Aaron's game, man, let you, you, you let us know. Aaron, you break, break down your voice here. [00:22:32] Speaker A: Takeaways from the game. Rome, Daniel Jones. You know, I'm looking at the numbers right now. 316 yards passing against this defense. But I think Taylor 165 on the ground. That's. And the Colts, you know, I talked about it, you know, brought in the new defensive coordinator. He had a good game plan. They caused a turnover late. I think the Broncos missed a field goal, a doink late. They had a chance to go up. They had a chance to go up. What was it, 31, 23 at the time? Something like that. Yeah, they missed. Colts get a couple field goals, but yeah, Daniel Jones. I'm looking at the numbers. The key is no turnovers, 16 passing. And, you know, you give Shane Steichen a competent quarterback with the system and offense. He runs. He runs more RPO than anybody in the league. It's a tough offense to stop. I mean, he made Jalen Hurts an mvp. He's now making Daniel Jones look like, you know, the four year, $160 million, man. The Giants thought they were getting the Colts. Me and Jason, we were on the bandwagon last week. I'm still on it. I like them now to win the division, though. I think that division's a little bit better than we maybe give it credit for. Based off what I saw from Jacksonville, we'll see what Houston does Monday night. But big win for the Colts, man. Big, big win. [00:23:46] Speaker B: One thing, impressive, man. If you look at the distribution. He got almost everybody involved, like, everyone had a couple catches at least. Bonix as well. I think he had 10 different receivers catch a ball. It, it was a fun display. [00:23:59] Speaker A: I think another thing is how did. I mean, I, I, I like to make college. I thought he was the best. Tight end, Tyler Warren, but how did he drop the 14 to the Colts? I mean, that, that was a great pickup to add to this addition to this offense. He's been really good these first two games. [00:24:15] Speaker B: It was nice. Yeah. Big win for the Colts, man. Pretty exciting. I'm kind of excited for them. I don't know why. Broncos tough loss. What's another close game? Cardinals, Panthers. That was kind of a blowout, but. [00:24:28] Speaker A: The Panthers kind of came back out of nowhere. Close game. Oh, Jaguars, Bengals. That was a good one. [00:24:34] Speaker B: Yeah. So Burrow, man, Big Burrow fan. He goes down, what, like second quarter, I'm like, oh, dude, that looks pretty bad. He tried walking it off. Fell down, needed help in the tunnel. And who knows? Like, do you guys know, like, what it might be? They're saying turf toe, but I'm Hearing other things on turf. [00:24:54] Speaker A: Tour toe with ligament tears, so he may need surgery. He's gonna be out. He's gonna be out a while. [00:25:01] Speaker B: Two, three months, they said. [00:25:03] Speaker C: Yeah, it was, I think, up to. Up to two, two to three months. I think they're talking. I'm sure they'll see different specialists and stuff. [00:25:08] Speaker B: I thought Jake Browning coming in, he did decent, but three interceptions, like he did enough to get the W first time. They're 2 and 0 since I, I think at least since their current regime has been in there, Bangles are in trouble, dude. What do you guys think? [00:25:24] Speaker C: I think just because defensively you're basically relying on Burrow to put up 50 points a game and have the MVP season to keep them competitive. Shocked. I mean, they played a bad Brown scene, but they held them to almost nothing last week. [00:25:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:40] Speaker C: This week versus the Jag. I mean, the Jags, they got. They got talent. I mean, overall, so it's not like they weren't playing nobody. But the Jags aren't great. But they, they did it. Place a bunch of talent and they still rolled up 31 points. I'm. My guess is, you know, I don't know how much more you can lean into Chase brown, but only 16 carries today. What can they do to open that up a little more? But I mean, they offensive line also, at the same time for Cincinnati, they haven't found, you know, the group of five offensive linemen to protect Burrow, you know, since, you know, the super bowl year, basically, and they've been kind of searching for that. But, you know, Browning is able to get two touchdowns but had the three interceptions. That kind of kept things going for them. I think he's got to keep things afloat. Tough division to be doing that in. But, you know, last year they were. They were right down to the wire. They're going to play the NFC north, which is some tough games. You know, the jets game wasn't looking as easy as it thought, as they kind of thought there early on in the season. So it's not an easy path for the Browns, but. Or for the Bengals. Excuse me, But I don't know. I think it's going to be dependent on how much they can lean on Chase Brown and still open things up for the passing game. [00:26:46] Speaker B: This wasn't part of my four pick on like the TV screens when I was changing out the game, so I didn't catch too much of it. But what about the Jacksonville Jaguars? Like, how they look? [00:26:55] Speaker A: Jaguars are talented. I mean, we've been talking about it all year. I mean, I thought the Jaguars gave this game away. Liam Cohen, I thought they made a bad mistake going fourth down and fourth and five. Yeah, they should have kicked a field goal, gone up 30 to 24. They don't. Cincinnati comes back on that ensuing drive, gets the victory. But Trevor Lawrence, he had a few bad interceptions, but they've got the running game going. You know, that's what Liam Cohen got, really got going when he was OC in Tampa Bay. I like that. Looking at the stats here we talked about, you know, still haven't really got Thomas the ball. Four receptions, 49 yards, but he was targeted 12 times. So they were looking to get him involved more in this game, so that's good for them. But I. I like this Jacksonville team. They're, you know, they're playing tough, they're playing competitive. But going back to Cincinnati, I mean, Cincinnati's offensive line, they've had a terrible time of protecting Burrow. And defensively, they don't really have great players there either, but they're able to force turnovers. That's what Cincinnati's done when they win games. They forced turnovers on defense. They did it against the Browns in week one. They did it here. Jake Browning, he. He played what, two years ago? [00:28:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:05] Speaker A: Was he about. He was about 500 as a start. [00:28:07] Speaker B: He's a 500 quarterback. [00:28:08] Speaker A: We know he can move the ball. And now that he knows he's going to be playing, he's going to get full reps. He. He's more than a serviceable backup. I think he's one of the top, top three, top third of the backup quarterbacks in the National Football League right now. Again, it's going to come down to this defense. Can they hold up? And like Jason said, I think they're gonna have to get the run game going more. [00:28:28] Speaker B: But definitely agree. [00:28:29] Speaker A: Nice win to get to two. And oh, because this is a Bengals team that has always started slow, like you mentioned Rome. [00:28:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:35] Speaker A: And anytime you can get two wins against two teams, you should be. Given that they got coming up, Minnesota, which I thought a burrow was playing, I would give him the edge. What we've seen from the Vikings right now, but that's, you know, you can run on the Vikings if you can protect, but this is not a great offensive line. So that could be an interesting game. Maybe lean towards the under next week in that matchup. [00:28:56] Speaker B: Yeah, if it burrows out, man, this is going to open up. Yeah, I think they'll probably play just around 500 ball. If not a little bit better. Browning does have a really good arm. Just makes decision making is not great right now. Yeah, yeah, he'll. He'll definitely throw more interceptions, but it allows my Steelers to sneak in. Baby. [00:29:15] Speaker C: Always looking for the Steelers. [00:29:17] Speaker B: I love it. [00:29:19] Speaker C: Good going back to the Jack. Going back to the Jags a little more. I think just last week I, I kind of talked through Travis Hunter. They're really kind of forcing the ball. Much better balance I think throughout the passing game today. [00:29:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:29:30] Speaker C: I mean you had Brown, Parker, Washington, Brian Thomas, you know, still weren't getting him in the ball as much. I think you. There was a lot of stuff on Twitter about whether he wanted to go over the middle or not for some of the stuff that they were throwing too from the targets he was getting. But overall I think the distribution of finding out the weapon is. And getting Travis etn, you know, the carries now that they, you know, really I think opened up that he's going to be the feature back for this team. There was, there was a more, I think more diversity among the offense. That is what they're going to need because there's weapons there. It's just how does Trevor Lawrence able to distribute it and at the same time you know, not make the key turnovers which he has in, in recent games. [00:30:09] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I like the way they kind of from like the highlights. The offense looks a little bit better with, with Cohen. He was yelling on the sidelines telling Lawrence to kind of hit his receivers in the chest. When he did that, they dropped the balls. It was some tough drops to there, man. So they could have definitely stolen that game away. [00:30:26] Speaker A: It's a, it's a game looking back on it. The Jaguars should have won. [00:30:30] Speaker B: Yeah, they should have won it. All right. I think the other close game we should probably circle back on is Eagles Chiefs. That was ugly, bro. That was an ugly, ugly game. 20 to 17. But I'm also happy because these are the games that the Chiefs won last year. And now we got a couple back to back losses. First time they're 0 and 2 in a long time. So that sets them up as you mentioned, Aaron against the Giants for one of those teams to get their first victory of the year next Sunday night, that's gonna be kind of rough. But Mahomes lead rusher back to back games. They don't got a, a running game in place. Kelsey's already losing his mind. And week two, he came back for another year. Maybe if they would have won last year. We don't see that proposal and all that stuff. But Mahomes though, he's just playing like backyard football, trying to make pop out of nowhere. Like this team looks all over the place. It's kind of weird because it is an Andy Re coach team, but I, I just can't get a really good sense of them. I know it's a rematch from super bowl too, so, like, lots of emotions. I don't know if you guys saw that clip. Circling on the socials where I can't remember his name. It's just losing. It's on top of my mind. But it's on the Chief's defense. He's yelling. He's like, hey, you didn't even get 100 yards. [00:31:46] Speaker A: Chris. Chris Jones. Yeah. [00:31:48] Speaker B: And then Jalen's like, stuff. It's like, you guys lost. Dude, shut the up. [00:31:53] Speaker A: So like that. [00:31:55] Speaker B: It's so good. But Jalen, man, he's just like a. He's just a winning guy, dude. Not a lot. [00:31:59] Speaker C: Not a lot. [00:31:59] Speaker B: He didn't blow the stats away. 50 for 20 to 101 yards. Barely. Saquon, they got him involved with. With a touchdown. They edged this out. But thoughts on that game? [00:32:15] Speaker C: It didn't look great for Kansas City, but a lot of these games last year didn't look great, but they were just. This would have been a game they would have won. As you said, Rome. [00:32:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:25] Speaker C: Yeah. The. The Kelsey thing on the sideline, I don't know. I think people read a little bit into that, too much of that because I think people are trying to make the link to Mahomes, like running it in for the touchdown and him not getting the ball, but he also hit him right in the hands. That should have been another touchdown. That turned into a turnover at the same time too. So. Yeah, I mean, Kareem Hunt, Pacheco, they haven't been able to get things going. The offensive line, I think we talked about it last week, but even the preview, you know, they, they're. They're redoing a ton of this offensive line. It's. They, they went all in last year trying to get that three peat, you know, losing a lot of the guys that want to get paid at this point too. And the defense is. Is it as good? It looked pretty good today. The one thing I'll say in this game, maybe, maybe this has always kind of been the case with the Tush Push. A lot of conversation about that. There's some pretty damning videos online right now of like how much of a false start advantage the Eagles are getting on Every single one of these, you literally see like both guards and tackles moving before the balls even snap to create this going forward. And I think if more of this stuff continues to surface and what they're able to. It's not even. It's because it's not even the play itself. It's so controversial. It's like the refs can't and aren't officiating this appropriately. So when you rewind it, it's a false start almost every time that should be called and that. And that's getting them valuable yards. That I think, you know, a quarterback stick is a quarterback seat. But this, this is the aspect of like, what's the review process or how are they going to ban this? Where they're basically just jumping to a false start every time. That's not getting called. That's getting them first downs. [00:34:03] Speaker B: Well, I think on the last one, too, on the podcast, yeah, it's hard. [00:34:06] Speaker A: There's false charts. But let's be honest. Every defensive lineman's lining up in the neutral zone. I mean, everyone's. Everyone's basically offsides. They're lined up way over there. I mean, it's just basically like nose to nose. Like, all right, go. Who gets there first? I mean, Chris Jones, you can see he's all angled. His. His half, his head's across, the ball is even hiked. So you got that going on going back to the Chiefs. I think I brought it up on the, you know, earlier this week. If the Dolphins continue to struggle, do you make the call there and try to get a Tyreek heel or get some kind of. Because they don't have any real offensive weapons right now that they count on. Kelsey's old worthy still kind of breaking in. He's young, but he's a one trick. Bony Hollywood Brown. There's a reason why he gets shipped out of town every year because you don't know what you're going to get from him. Either the script's good or it sucks. I don't know. Rice, is he gonna. Is he got hurt? Is he gonna get suspended? Another hit and run. Who knows what he's gonna do for me right now. And the. The Chiefs, Mahomes, they don't have any reliable options. They don't have any speed. They invested all defense. It worked out. They still got a really good defense. Yeah, Hunt, he's washed up. I mean, he's literally a fullback trying to play tailback. Pacheco's more just swing it out of the backfield, catch the ball. They don't have a legit one. A running back. Their offensive line, like Jason said, is not very good. It's. I, I'm, I'm guessing if you look at the pro football focus grades, they're going to people low average. This is a team that's building. And Andy Reed, let's be honest, he's always been a guy that's been about 60, 65 past a run anyways, going back to his time when he was in Philadelphia. And here basically what the Chiefs did is like, hey, we, we think we got a historic quarterback, which they do have a great quarterback who can make great plays. We're going to invest in defense and then Patrick Mahomes can make other players around him better. But teams have kind of figured up how to scheme around them and know that the players now aren't really a big threat. Kansas City's in trouble. Let's just be honest. We Rome, we kind of talked about it at the Super Bowl. I thought that was going to be towards the end of this dynasty. Yeah, right now it's looking that way. I'm not going to throw the, you know, I'm not going to throw them away because they are three time champions. [00:36:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:20] Speaker A: But if they go to 013 and lose against the Giants, I'm looking at their schedule here. Then they got Baltimore, Jacksonville, Detroit. I mean they, they could be two and four after six games. And given what the Broncos are, which they look pretty good, I think the Chargers are gonna be pretty good. We know the Raiders are better. It's gon tough for them to bounce back if they don't win Sunday against the Giants. [00:36:41] Speaker B: Yeah, good points, man. Good points. What else? I'll also mention something else about that game, but I guess I got nothing. All right, any other close games we should recap right now. [00:36:57] Speaker C: Doesn'T require a ton of time, but the Cardinals Panthers game was way closer than it really had to be. Yeah, that was, that was a red zone special there where you're not watching this game the entire afternoon and all of a sudden, you know, we're, we're looking at onside kicks and penalties and all sorts of stuff going on where this game's trying to be competitive for no apparent reason. [00:37:18] Speaker B: Oh, the fourth quarter, like I, I. [00:37:19] Speaker A: Had that, I was sweating that game. I was sweating that game. So was I too. [00:37:24] Speaker B: I'm like, what? All of a sudden offense came live. [00:37:27] Speaker A: Almost 29 circus survivor players on the Cardinals. I had one of my entries on them too when it was 27 3. I was feeling pretty Good. And then all of a sudden the Cardinals just wanted your boy Kyler Murray are should be called Murphy the way he was playing in the fourth quarter because he tried to give that game away. [00:37:45] Speaker B: Yeah, he didn't have a great game, dude. James Connor, he was on my team, dude. Didn't do nothing for me. [00:37:50] Speaker A: Bryce Young Cardinals just went ugly, man. They just went every game ugly. There's nothing pretty about that football team. [00:37:55] Speaker B: Bryce Young 328 yards, three touchdowns. [00:38:01] Speaker A: All of it probably in the fourth quarter. [00:38:02] Speaker B: Probably on the fourth quarter. How can we check that? Actually I can't even see. I can't even find out. They dominated every statistical category aside from rushing and I, I just don't know like was that just all in the fourth quarter that they got all those yardage? Like this makes no sense if you look at the end of the game stats time of possession they dominated. They got less penalties, they had more total plays. They converted. Oh, they were bad. On third down, 5 for 15, 3 for 4. On fourth down, more first downs. It was weird. I was stressing man. I didn't really catch too much though besides the end of that game it. [00:38:41] Speaker C: Was mostly the first half. They really didn't get anything because they had fumble interception to start the game for Carolina. That is all they did was punt in the second quarter. They scored the touchdown in the third quarter. It was their only really possession and then came alive in the fourth. So yeah, to your point all the stats are really in their drives in the third and fourth quarter. That, that kind of put them on the map because the first quarter, first half was nothing. [00:39:06] Speaker B: I guess another close game is Pats Dolphins. That was a little bit closer than what I thought it'd be. Tua did he have a good game? I didn't catch too much of it. A lot of people are talking about the left guard and left tackle on ax like how they dominated and had a really good game. Protecting Drake May for the Patriots Solid numbers 19 for 23, 232 touchdowns. Distribute the ball pretty evenly. Stevenson was like the main guy carrying and receiving for them. Achan man wasn't really involved, didn't get too many yards. Tyreek Hill, you mentioned the Tyreek Hill theory, right? I think on like the preview for the season Aaron And I think DraftKings or some, some websites, I think Kansas City Chiefs were the favorite and the Steelers were the other one. [00:40:00] Speaker A: People traded form. [00:40:02] Speaker B: Yeah, people think that trade is going to happen within like the first. [00:40:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean Miami, I mean given his contract and everything I think you're Miami. If you can get out from under it, you. You will. I mean, you're not going to get a first form, but get out from under the money and maybe get a, you know, a fourth, a third, fifth. I think they'd be happy with that. I mean, there's going to be new. I think we're all looking in agreeance. There's likely going to be a new regimen and coaches there next year in Miami. I don't. I don't see, like that staff hanging around another season. [00:40:30] Speaker B: McCarthy looks like, exhausted right at the end of press conferences. He. He just looks like a dead man walking. You guys catch him? Daniel, My bad. Yeah. [00:40:38] Speaker A: Hey, hey. There you go. Mike McCarthy might be there. I like that. Rome. You're already leading it up, man. You're already leading it up. [00:40:46] Speaker C: Sources are saying, man, wow, I. I. [00:40:48] Speaker B: Would actually like him there. That wouldn't be too bad. [00:40:52] Speaker A: I think you might like South Beach. [00:40:54] Speaker B: I think so, too. [00:40:55] Speaker C: Yeah. You mentioned H and didn't, you know, they couldn't get involved in the rushing game. But I think where you see Asian's value is really in the passing game. And he had eight catches for 92 yards, second leading receiver behind Tyreek. So, I mean, there. There's still something there offensively that they got some playmakers through. But to Aaron's point, this season is going to be a wash. The defense is not great for Miami that we already. We talked about the secondary being a liability to start the season. And at this point, yeah, the only thing I would say, Aaron in the trade, because NFL trades money works weird ways. Like, I don't know how much dead money that they take on by letting him go to because of the bonus structure and stuff. So that's the type of thing with NFL trades, though. You turn into dead cap money that, you know, does it actually create cap space and is it worth the value of, you know, eating dead money, plus what draft pick you're going to get? So I think. I think that'll be probably what they're playing with. And, you know, from a trade perspective. [00:41:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, it's a great point, but I think just the attitude of Tyreek, I mean, I think they'll probably. [00:41:55] Speaker B: Be better off when it gets like. [00:41:57] Speaker A: It seems like he flips a quarter. And this week I want to be here. [00:42:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:02] Speaker A: Now he's got what, you know, eight allegations of domestic abuse, maybe he say, gets found guilty, gets on the commissioner's list. You can get out of a contract. There's a lot of different things to do. If you can move them, I'm moving them. I'll take the dead cap space. [00:42:14] Speaker B: Yeah, he's gonna go through an ugly divorce. [00:42:17] Speaker A: No doubt. [00:42:20] Speaker B: All right. I think we should just go on to the blowouts. Yeah. [00:42:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I might as well. [00:42:25] Speaker B: Let's do it. We didn't talk about Rams tie ins too much. I. I didn't catch anything. [00:42:29] Speaker A: I didn't catch any of that. [00:42:30] Speaker B: Jason, did you? [00:42:32] Speaker C: I did not. [00:42:33] Speaker B: Okay, we'll just Skip it. [00:42:35] Speaker A: Rams 1. Rams. Rams 1. And they got a big showdown with Philly next week, so that should be a good one. [00:42:40] Speaker B: Stafford's doing way better than I thought. Man. He always had 300 yards, two touchdowns. Cam Ward, I'm sure he was fine. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see how that goes. All right, just. [00:42:51] Speaker A: Just. Just say it, Rome. I. I know it's at the tip of your tongue, but Blue alky, you want to get to. [00:42:56] Speaker B: We didn't really talk about the Fort Andrews Saints either, but I. I didn't. [00:42:59] Speaker A: Watch any of it. [00:43:00] Speaker B: Ravens, Browns, we can kind of gloss over that as well. [00:43:04] Speaker C: I don't even think that one was on the red zone channel, to be honest with you. It was just over with. And then no one knew, really. [00:43:11] Speaker A: I was keeping an eye on it, Rome, but yeah, Ravens, nice bounce back win. They've got. They've got Detroit coming in on. I don't know. That's a Monday night or. Yeah, it's gonna be Monday night or next week. Yeah, that's gonna be a good game involved. That'd be a good game. [00:43:29] Speaker B: So, Bill's jets, what do you guys think about that one, huh? Big win with the Bills winning in. [00:43:36] Speaker C: The middle ends before Burrow got hurt. It was Josh Allen. You know, I thought he was going to be out for a little while. Take him to the medical tent. Wasn't sure if it was a concussion or something like that. Yeah, basically I was like, they're going to take him out. I was like, it's going to be a whole thing. But then, yeah, it was just not the same offense for the jets as it was a week ago with Justin Fields. They had. Fields got hurt. Tyrod Taylor got in there. Never really got Bree. Never got Breeze hall going like it was. It was. It was not the same jets offense a week ago versus your Steelers. [00:44:11] Speaker A: It was the Jets. It was the jets of old. It's the same old jets that we came to expect last year. [00:44:17] Speaker B: Dude. [00:44:17] Speaker A: Yeah, they fooled me. [00:44:18] Speaker B: I was up on them this past week. [00:44:20] Speaker A: For me, one Shame on you. [00:44:21] Speaker B: I had the over on this. [00:44:23] Speaker A: Yeah, Buffalo almost got the over themselves. Yeah, Buffalo look good, man. They looked really good. They've got Thursday night showdown with Miami, so Miami's likely going to Owen 3, Buffalo 3, and no and the Jets. You know, Aaron Glenn, I don't like him. Again, getting dropped 30 points on his defense. The most overrated higher in the off season. So that part I think I've got right so far on the Jets. [00:44:47] Speaker B: All right, this wasn't a blowout, but Seahawks, Steelers, we got talking about my Steelers for a little bit. Some happened here where it just kind of turned the whole game around. And once those plays happen, I just feel like it just kind of took the air out of their sales. First was the tip. Rodgers threw like a bullet right in the receiver's hands. Bounced off right into the Seahawks defensive hands. That was seven points gone. And then whenever the Seahawks scored again, kicked off right over our guy's head. It's a live ball in the landing zone, which I, you know, totally forgot about. About the new rules. [00:45:22] Speaker A: But obviously, you're obviously not the only one. Rome, because the kick returner forgot about him, too. [00:45:28] Speaker B: No, he's just prancing around, and then all of a sudden you see all the Seah coming around, grabbing the ball. [00:45:33] Speaker A: Honestly. Honestly, I don't even think the Seahawks guys really knew either. Maybe one guy did. I think he's just like, I'm just gonna jump on the ball and see what happens. Because like Jason said, I'm not even sure he really had possession. Like, he rolls over and then the ball goes out and they. The referee just walked away and put his hands up. There was no formal review. I mean, I thought you got to control it at least, or make it look like you do. [00:45:56] Speaker C: Yeah, I didn't know how they were determining that. We talked about it, but it was. It was fishy to me. And it wasn't. It was more just like if the thing blew up on Twitter, all this crazy play happened, you know? You know, not knowing the rules, this and that. But then, like, I was looking, I was like, yeah, I was dumb. But like, okay, did he actually get possession? Because it doesn't seem like it. And I don't know what the hell's going on. And the. The other thing. And maybe because it allegedly hit the returner, too, because that's what they were. [00:46:19] Speaker B: Talking about, too, because it looked like it did. [00:46:21] Speaker A: I didn't think it did. [00:46:22] Speaker B: It looked like it glazed, but they didn't really show, like, a replay that. That Was definitive. That was a weird play. Yeah, it was a Steelers typical Steelers letdown dude. And I called on the pod if they're gonna one up went up. That's a weird phrase. Whatever it is. [00:46:37] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean like you said Rome, they got the interception that should have been a touchdown. But Seattle should have got that interception last week when Brock Purdy got lucky for a touchdown. So maybe the football gods were rewarding Seattle this weekend. But yeah, tough loss for the Steelers. [00:46:53] Speaker C: Very tough for the Seahawks on their side running back situation. I think one of the more split running back distributions to look at the Seahawks if you're in the. In the fantasy realm because you got Charbonnet has been taken away carries from Kenneth Walker who had, you know, an outstanding first year, first two years in the league but kind of has been declining as far as a workload perspective. They pretty much split carries again. But Charbonnet had 15 carries for 10 yards. Walker had a few explosive plays. One of them was a big 20 yard touchdown run and he was over 100 yards too. So I'm curious. We'll see from a balance there because Walker was like, you know, the hot running back to have a couple years ago and he was going to and just an explosive player. I'm kind of curious and what if this will just kind of be the beginning of getting him going again to really take pressure off of Darnold because you know Darnold maybe needs a little more time. I know they've got. They got definitely getting the ball to Jackson, Smith, Najigba and Cooper cup is still, you know, seven catches, 90 yards. No slouch from him in this game too. You know, being like the cup of old. So there, there's something there for the Seahawks. So it wasn't completely on bad being the Steelers. You know, I know Aaron throwing every or Rome you throwing your Steelers under the bus. But I think Seattle finding itself a little more in this game too because they probably would have been beating the Niners last week if a lot of them offensively would this offensive promoter showed up last week versus the Niners. [00:48:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Another thing that's interesting about Seattle, this was dating back to last year. I think there's seven straight road win. So this is a good team, real disciplined on the road. That's not something you see from any team really in National Football League. But to go on the road and win seven straight going to Pittsburgh, their home opener, this was an impressive win by Seattle 1 I I didn't see it coming. And we talked about traveling all the way to, from basically Seattle to Pittsburgh. That flight, early morning game. This was a nice win, which is crazy. [00:48:46] Speaker C: You mentioned that road thing because remember the Legion of Boom era, this was like the home field advantage. 12th, man. You don't want to go to Seattle. Like they're basically unbeatable there. But now, hey, this is the team that travels if they get, if they get good at home. You guys were on them last year. Very tough NFC West. I got my friends that are all out here for all the NFC west teams talking about they're the actual best team, our best division in football. And you know, man, it's, it's tough to look away right now. That division went four. No, this week. [00:49:15] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a good point. [00:49:17] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean the only, the only really win of those teams was Seattle. I mean, everybody else is going to finish below.500. [00:49:25] Speaker C: That was, that was my counterpoints, all my friends on this. [00:49:28] Speaker A: But you know, combined, combined, those three other teams may not even win 15 games. Combined, so. But still, a win's a win in the National Football League. [00:49:39] Speaker B: I don't know. We'll see. I think Brock pretty, it sounds like he's might recover a little bit sooner, but give up for Mac Jones, dude, solid game, three touchdowns. Is the Mac back. [00:49:51] Speaker A: They got Arizona. Are you gonna go to that home opener Rome? Are you gonna talk to your guy Will or whoever's got season tickets and see if you can sneak in for that one? Or you got your, you got your kid, huh? [00:50:02] Speaker B: I, you know, I think she's ready for football. She says she wants to go. So I have a co worker, apparently he goes to every 49er game. Never buys a ticket. Never buy the ticket. [00:50:14] Speaker A: How's that work? [00:50:15] Speaker B: Well, he circles the stadium, all right. And he finds the most rookie looking security guy, flips him a 50 to get inside. That's how he gets inside the stadium. And then he takes another 50 and flips another security guy if there's empty seats right in the lower bowl. He showed me pictures of where he sits in every game and I can't believe that he's been doing this for five years. [00:50:40] Speaker C: I feel like closing. You feel like you're disclosing a very, like, big, you know, Operation. [00:50:48] Speaker B: Pablo Tori kind of thing. [00:50:49] Speaker C: I don't know, man. [00:50:50] Speaker B: Yeah, you might be like, yeah, you're. [00:50:53] Speaker C: Gonna have a whole look into the security guards in San Francisco. [00:50:58] Speaker B: Well, I was thinking maybe I could do my daughter. [00:51:00] Speaker A: Boop. [00:51:01] Speaker B: A little 50 there and a little 50 on. Get some good seats. [00:51:05] Speaker A: It might be 50 each one realm, so you might have to bring 101. [00:51:09] Speaker B: So that'd be crazy. [00:51:12] Speaker A: Five years, huh? I'd like to get him on the pod. We can re blur his, you know, face out, but. Yeah, that'd be a good story. [00:51:19] Speaker B: No, I can't believe it. Dude, this guy gets great seats. Even the playoffs. He still does. In the playoffs, he had phenomenal seats. Like, like, how do you find empty section seats? I don't know. I don't know. [00:51:32] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:51:32] Speaker B: I want to find out more though. [00:51:34] Speaker C: If you're still paying 50 bucks, you might as well just buy the tickets, man. Like, you know, what are we doing? [00:51:39] Speaker A: I mean, what is lower bowl? Those are a couple hundred dollars, 600 bucks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. [00:51:46] Speaker B: Oh, up high is still 150 to 250. [00:51:49] Speaker A: No, no, I mean, I gotta, I gotta assume it's the same security guys that they just, they just say, hey, like, come around at this time. I, I gotta. I find it hard to imagine he keeps going around to different guys, trying to work the deal. It's just got to be a couple guys that, you know, text him like, hey, we found a spot that's open. Come on through. Right. [00:52:08] Speaker B: As he tries to find the young kids that are trying to look a little too sharp with the big diamond earrings and the greased up hair, trying to look all fly working security at the game. And that's who he flips it to because he knows that they need the cash to try to look good for their honeys. [00:52:23] Speaker A: I mean, it's. [00:52:23] Speaker B: Yeah, kind of a good strategy. I. [00:52:25] Speaker A: It is. [00:52:27] Speaker B: Well, I'll see if I can bring him on the pub. We gotta find out more. That's really. [00:52:31] Speaker A: How old is. How old is this guy? [00:52:33] Speaker B: I don't know, man. Maybe late 20s. [00:52:36] Speaker A: So. Okay, so he's like the same age as these guys. So they're basically like, hey, man, I'm hustling, I'm struggling. Like, hook a brother up and I'll hook you up. Right? [00:52:43] Speaker B: I don't know. Questions next time. [00:52:45] Speaker C: I. I don't know if you're bringing this guy in the pod so he can just do. He can disclose. [00:52:50] Speaker B: I doubt, I doubt this is. [00:52:51] Speaker C: This is a terrible idea for you. Why would this guy come on the pod to disclose? Yes. Every time. Yeah. [00:53:00] Speaker B: That's hilarious. [00:53:00] Speaker A: It's a good story, man. I. I think he should come on. Or at least we need to have a talk with him even if we're not recording. [00:53:06] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. That's a good Idea, though. It might be fun to go to that game, actually. [00:53:12] Speaker A: Well, it sounds like you got the hookup. You just, you know, I don't know. [00:53:16] Speaker B: If I want to show my daughter how to do that, actually. [00:53:18] Speaker A: You know, you could, you could spin it. You could spin it a number of ways. Rome, she's still young. She's still young. [00:53:23] Speaker B: That's true. All right, let's move on to the blowout of the week. Blowout of the week. The Detroit Lions guys he declared dead came alive at racked up 52 big ones. Third time that Dan Campbell has done that as the head coach of the Detroit Lions. And the Bears look kind of good in the first half. Still got 21 points, but the Lions looked really sharp. Jared Goff, 334, five touchdowns, efficient per usual. Jamar Gibbs, Amon Ross, St. Brown, dominant man. Whoever had him in fantasy kill the three touchdowns. But I, I one thing, though. Even though it's a blowout, I like I was watching this game a lot. The Bears offense does look better. They're moving around that connection that Caleb's working with Roma Dunesay that's developing really nicely. I think there's like a lot of pluses that look positive, too, in this game. But, Jason, since you're the resident Bears fan, it's been a tough weekend, especially since Notre Dame took a big L against Aaron's favorite team in college football. So why don't you break it down for us and what you saw, you. [00:54:43] Speaker C: Know, Rome hockey season starts in 20 days right now. So we got the Blackhawks day. You know, we'll be able to do the NHL preview here a little bit, talk about, you know, the step in the next step the young Blackhawks are going to take or can the Edmonton Oilers or, you know, bounce back, I don't know what's happened. Or the Florida Panthers, can they three peat? Maybe we'll talk about that. All right. I guess. I guess that's another day. All right. Yeah. All joking aside, Bears Twitter freaking out, it did not look good. Plenty of negatives that you're gonna watch into this game. I agree with you, but I agree with you. I think the offense does look better than anything that we saw last year. There were some flashes last year, but there is something offensively to build on so far. Yeah. You mentioned the passes to Rome. There's definitely a connection between Caleb and Rome. Kind of forcing to get DJ Moore involved a little bit. The running game was better this week with Swift. Besides his fumble. That was a huge kind of turning point. I Think in the first half, even though it didn't amount to points, the Bears were driving down the field to really even it up. So there were some positives, I think on offense that, that you could take out of this game. The negatives on offense. I, you know, the time Caleb has, getting rid of the ball, things to develop. Still the issue there, that's going to take some time. The other thing I would have said would have been the fourth, the fourth down decisions by Ben Johnson. Less of an offense thing, more of a decision making. Goes for it again on fourth down on a QB sneak, you know, two in a row. Doesn't get it. Kind of questionable on that one. It's still kind of a field position game and they're kind of in it, so not great. The biggest indictment to me, and if you're, if you're talking about Caleb Williams in this game, which I think all the trolls online are talking about, he's not the problem. He's not the problem. The problem is the defense. The other problem is I'm, I'm mixed on, on Ryan polls, the general manager. Because he's done some good things. Yeah, I've been mixed on all things. I think he's done some good things. You know, getting this offense, you know what, we're, you know, hiring Ben Johnson. That was his call. Great. Brings that in. He's got the pieces around Caleb to make Caleb successful because that's what didn't happen with Justin Fields and maybe Trubisky before him. So it gets the pieces. Now. Where's Colston Loveland, the 10th overall pick, was he playing? I don't know. Luther Burden, wide receiver, was he playing? I don't know. They had two healthy scratches for their second other second round pits which Ozzy Trapillo, who's a left tackle and what and defensive tackle. They had, they were healthy scratches, didn't even make it. You can't draft people in the first three rounds and not be productive in this league. Look at the Falcons we talked about. They invested two first round picks in some, some edge rushers. Each got a sack tonight. That is the type of talent evaluation that may be why the Bears never get off where they're going to be because you can't miss in the draft like this. Like these guys aren't even making the roster to play right now. That's a real problem. That's just coming into the game and the two guys, Loveland and Burden, they're, they're on the roster. They're, they're, they're Dressed, at least, but they're contributing nothing. And these need to be the playmakers because you wasted all this time getting these guys. Offensively, you should have been taking pass rushes or something because the defense looks awful, they look slow. And you invested all this money into sweat. And these other people on the defensive line, they couldn't get a pass rush to Jared Goth the entire game. And this is basically two weeks in a row right now. You know, that is not being the dividends for the money invested in this team. So real questions for the Bears, you know, you're questioning the roster construction and what Pulse has done, but defensively, what's Dennis Allen going to do, you know, to get pressure on the quarterback and not just, you know, let a team go up and down the field? Yeah, they got some. They got two injuries in the game. You know, two of their guys that were hurt in week one come back for week two hurt again in the middle of the game and didn't play the second half. So training staff, where are they at with this team? So a lot of question marks with the Bears. I still have some hope that the offense is getting better, but there's got to be a better defensive performance. Maybe they get that against the Cowboys, but that's. That's not as easy of a game that I would have thought three weeks ago. So, yeah, not looking good, Chicago. Not looking good at all. [00:58:56] Speaker B: That's interesting to take because I wasn't really looking at, like, that. I just kind of contributed more to, like, Detroit just kind of finally finding their footing for the year with their new offensive coordinator, and they're still stacked. They have a great O line, and they protected golf well last year. Golf has a quick release, so. I don't know. That's interesting take, though. That's pretty valid. [00:59:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I don't think Detroit is as bad as they looked week one. I damn sure they didn't. They're not as good as they looked here. Week two, we're gonna get a better assessment with how they look Monday coming up, the following week at Baltimore, getting a better assessment for them. But, yeah, Jason's point. Loveland and Burden. Three targets, one catch, five yards. That's it. Yeah. That's all the productivity they got out of them. [00:59:42] Speaker C: And that was burden and garbage time. That was from. That was Tyler. That was Paige. That was from. Yeah, that was from Beijing. Wasn't even from Caleb, by the way. [00:59:50] Speaker B: Jason, man, before this game, like, I don't know why I'm seeing a whole bunch of Bear stuff, though. But people were talking on Caleb like all week, right? And talking like, oh, they gotta set this guy down. It's time for Tyson. He's the true Bears hero. And it's pretty crazy. It's pretty crazy. [01:00:08] Speaker C: It's all over Twitter. It's. It's ridiculous. People who even say that that's not how you build a team just because this guy. I watched Tyson Bajan play the Chargers when he filled in for Justin Fields, he was God awful, okay? He is a fine backup quarterback and they signed him young and he needs to come in in case something happened to Caleb. He's not as talented and like anyone who says that it's an absurd thing. There's. There is like notable like Chicago Sports radio people and stuff that have this insane opinion too because you know why? Because the Bears have had crap quarterbacks their entire existence. So that's why they're calling like for Jim Miller to replace like Chris Chandler or some other crap stuff. Because so journeyman, you know, they're the franchise that they all love. The backup quarterback, you have a first. [01:00:51] Speaker A: Overall pick they love. They love Kyle Orton. Remember Kyle Orton? They loved him too. [01:00:56] Speaker C: Yes. Loves Kyle Orton, you know, over Rex Grossman. Like all sorts of insane crap. Yes. The Bears have never had a quarterback. He's the first overall pick. Caleb gets the job and the. The starting job until they decide he's not going to be the starting quarterback and he is better than Bajan. Okay? We need Ben on the roster. I'm not talking crap about him, but he is the backup. There is no controversy and he's not even in the problem. It's just the media has decided that Caleb is a lightning rod for controversy because he paints his nails and he wasn't successful as Jaden Daniels in, in. And the Bears, for all their faults, which is a lot of them, they can't get a quarterback in the entire history of the franchise. And so the first one that turns it around is going to be crowned like Jordan in that city. Because you know that is going to be the next coming. And could. Could it be Caleb? I think it could be, but there's a lot of other things that, that he's going to need help with. And so again, this is just year one in the Ben Johnson stuff. I wanted to pull up something real quick, Rome, because it was good stuff. It was interesting. Looking back for me on the first portions of. I'm trying to figure this out. I saw it on Twitter and I want to credit the person whoever did it, but I'm probably not gonna be able to find it. But looking at the first like year of the Ben Johnson, Campbell like regime, they were like 1 in 8 or something. Like getting out of the box and even in the second season wasn't great. So it's going to take time. Maybe people like myself and others weren't as patient because the clock is ticking on what we have invested into Caleb. So expect it to be faster. But if you're two weeks in the off, the offense is said to be complex. They did interviews with Caleb and Rome and other piece of the offense that there's stuff there. So the office is going to grow. I think the defense is the real problem because the money is allocated to people that are not performing and if they go up against these, you know, dear God. When they play the Ravens, I don't know what the spread's gonna be because when they play the Ravens, Lamar is going to have a field day with this team. If they're not able because they. They couldn't contain Jared Goff running around. I don't know what they're going to. [01:03:02] Speaker B: Do with a running office on mobile. Yeah, no. So that's a good point. [01:03:06] Speaker C: Yep. So it's the beginning. We'll see. They play the Cowboys, they play the Raiders next. These are winnable games. This was the disaster. I think of them, of the, of the Vikings loss because if they beat the Vikings and had this performance for the Lions, we're not as critical. Starting 02, it just looks way worse. [01:03:24] Speaker B: Jason admits he's a farm after week two. I'm loving it. [01:03:27] Speaker A: I think, I think the thing that's really tough if you're a Bears fan too is if you go to these games, a lot of these games that they should have won, as soon as they lose them, they like they go in the dump. Right. They should have beaten Washington last year. Then they go on to lose eight in a row. They should have beaten Minnesota week one. Is that going to relay into starting the season zero and four? Because say what you want, I think the Raiders are better than what we think. I think the Cowboys are a little bit better than we think. Doesn't mean the Bears can't beat them, but we'll see. Caleb Williams agrees. You know, first off season in season now with Ben Johnson two games in, I'm seeing things that I've that are improving. But you know, it's a work in progress. It's always easy. The quarterback gets the credit when they win, gets the blame when they lost. And like Jason said, they're Going to want to hate on Caleb. I mean, he was the number one pick, number one overall. Supposed to be the savior. Jaden Daniels has a great year, leads Washington to the NFC championship game. And Caleb's, he's had a lot of ups and downs, right? He had some highs at Oklahoma, wins the Heisman at usc, doesn't have a great following season, comes into the pros, has some ups and downs there. And now you got Ben Johnson who's, you know, an offensive genius, a guru. You see what he did with Jared Goff. But like Jason noted, they started with 1 and 8. I think the following year they started 1 and 6 and missed the playoffs and finished the year like 9 and 8. [01:04:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:41] Speaker A: Again, Chicago's defense, Dennis Allen, that, that group right now is bad. I mean, they gave up 52 points to a team that literally only scored six points a week before against Green Bay. I know they got a garbage touchdown late, but you gave up 52. And I mean, it seemed like they, they weren't stopping Detroit at all. Detroit could have probably scored a little bit more. They got some tough matchups coming up, but yeah, the defense doesn't look great. They've invested a lot in this offense. So it seems like if you're a Bears fan, you know, we're talking about the 85 Bears and defense. If the Bears are going to win, it's honestly going to be shootouts. They're going to have to win games like 31, 28, 35, 31. That's just what it is. And that only puts more pressure on a young offense, a young offensive line and a young first year head coach to perform. And when you make little mistakes here and there like they did against Minnesota and lose games, it only adds to the building up pressure of wanting him out. I, you know, Caleb's got this year, next year, and then whatever is he at going into year four will kind of determine whether or not he gets that fifth year or if they want to, if he is the franchise quarterback. So he's still got time. Yeah, there are, there are development steps there that are better that I've seen, but let's, let's hold the Ford. But yeah, again, the Bears defense, they just don't have any, they don't have any playmakers right now on that side of the ball. [01:06:02] Speaker C: Yeah, it's an excellent point by Aaron. And as I was talking to some people I knew earlier, that's the biggest indictment of Ryan Poles as a general manager right now. He hasn't drafted a Pro Bowler yet, hasn't drafted a Pro Bowler. And so all the flaws of previous regimes with the Bears, they brought some playmakers in. The Bears haven't had him. And so when you look at the defense, Jalen Johnson, the best one we had, the best player they probably have, was hurt. Yes. Last week and only played half the game this week. You know, wasn't one of his, you know, draftees and you know, needs to play the pass rush. Man, it's. It's insane watching the Bears pass rush just basically not get to the quarterback at all like they have all day. Goff just had all the time in the world and you're not going to set up a secondary for success on that. So a lot to build on. I will say, you know, flipping away from the Bears going to the Lions. Yeah, you know, Rome clipped. Rome clipped us. You know, talking about where the Lions were and kind of where they were at. I agree with Aaron. Not as bad as last week, probably as we buried them, but not as good as probably what we saw this week. But there's still elements of this offense that, you know, is the. Is what they built over the past like five years, like it is there. Amon Ron is just, you know, top receipt, one of the top receivers in the league. The running back duo, when they need it, they can get yards. The offensive line, you know, was bad last week versus a Green Bay team, but you know, held up obviously versus subpar Bears, past rust today. And defensively, you know, I think there was some good stuff there where they stopped the Bears, but you know, they convert a couple of these forced downs here and there. You know, there's a lot they're giving up defensively versus a better offensive put together team. Detroit may still still have some questions that go down. I think the bigger thing is you look through two weeks of the way the NFC north has played each other. As I said on the previous pod, the packers look to be just above everybody else in this division at this time. And now you got kind of the rest of the three figuring things out of who's going to take a step because I think the packers are just going to run away with the NFC north at this point. [01:08:05] Speaker B: Remember, Detroit had a lot of entries. A lot of guys are still coming back. You got Hutchinson back. Running backs was gone right towards the end a lot last year. Jameson Williams, I'm a big fan of his, he only had two catches but some big pickups there. But yeah, I don't know, we'll see valid points from you and Aaron about the Detroit Lions. Maybe not as good as today, but somewhere between the middle from last week. It'll be exciting next week though with Baltimore. That's be fun game. There's still two more games left this week. Double header tomorrow. Monday Night Football. Bucks, Texans, Chargers, Raiders. Both pretty exciting games. So like any other. Whatever. I can't talk today. [01:08:49] Speaker A: I. I want to say we covered every game, right? [01:08:52] Speaker B: I think everything. [01:08:53] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know if we covered every game, but at least mentioned every game since no one was watching a. [01:08:57] Speaker B: Few of these games that were out there. [01:08:59] Speaker C: So. [01:08:59] Speaker A: I mean. Yeah, we did. Yeah. I mean we didn't talk really about the Rams, Titans. But like I said, I didn't see, I didn't see a snap of that game. I didn't see a snap of the 49ers and Saints. [01:09:07] Speaker B: You know what's weird? I did not see the Rams. It was like never an option. I had to go look for it on the, like the. [01:09:14] Speaker A: It's on. It was on regular tv. That's why it was on. It was on Fox. [01:09:17] Speaker B: Okay. It really messed me up. [01:09:19] Speaker C: It was just. There was a lot of moving games between what was going on with Gerald Burrow. The Bengals and Jags game was, you know, scorers galore. The Cowboys Giants game obviously took a lot of like there, there was just some exciting stuff for that. A couple of those games, I think 49er saints and rams, Titans just, it just. They just fell, went to the wayside. Like they may went to a clip here or there as teams were scoring. But it was like I don't really know what's going on in this game. I think just another Rams game, I guess you say like devonte Adams, you know, getting into this offense, you know, hadn't really seen a ton of him over the past like year and a half or so. You know, this, this could be a big ad for the ramp for the Rams offense in combination with Puka Nakua. [01:09:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I might be regretting my Rams at the bottom of the thing. Pick. [01:10:01] Speaker A: Well, I'm. I. Yeah, I mean we talked about if, if Stafford standing the Rams got a chance to win. [01:10:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:07] Speaker A: Like I said, they go to Philadelphia next week rematch of that divisional playoff game. So I mean I think, yeah, right now if you're talking about the nfc, like Jason said, I think it's the packers, the Eagles and the Rams are the top three dogs right now in the nfc. So we'll see, we'll see what happens with that game. And 49ers, 2, 0, you know, against bad teams. But they're two wins on the road. Rome, it gets two teams that they, you know, a divisional one against Seattle, which is looking better. Now we know the Saints aren't very good. Mac Jones, you mentioned what, three touchdowns and I don't even know the guy. He's probably gonna be a hot fantasy pickup, but Luke Farrell, two TDs. Is he the guy taking George Kittle spot? [01:10:53] Speaker C: I think so. Yeah. [01:10:54] Speaker A: So he's, he's gonna be, he's gonna be a hot waiver wire pickup on the fantasy football for week three. [01:11:00] Speaker C: Oh, no, Rome, you know, you had a lot of your, your contacts up there in San Francisco freaking out about this season. But Aaron, I have been talking to you. This schedule that the Niners have, like, I don't. It could be some close BS games like this league against the Saints when you're talking, you know, they're going to be playing Cardinals, Jags here coming up. They're going to get, you know, Texans, Giants, Falcons, you know, Panthers, Browns, Titans, Colts. Like this is the who's who of who. Ain't a lot of this schedule that you know, and the NFC west can get a lot of this. But man, the Niners has got tons of winnable games. So is, is can Mac Jones just keep him afloat? Purdy comes in, IU comes back. Like there's, there's a lot to like, I think of the Niners at the schedule break for this year that they don't got to be great this entire year. They could be just going treading water above and staying hot going into the playoffs and where those things are at. [01:11:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, you get Kittle, you get IUK those guys back. I mean, Robert Salt on the defensive side running things. So you know they can be better there. Yeah, I mean the schedule, the schedule lines up nice. I mean they got to beat Arizona and Jacksonville. I mean if you get to four and oh, before you go to the Rams in Tampa, you get not bad these first four games. Line up for them to go four now before they have a somewhat tough four game stretch with the Rams, Tampa, Atlanta, Houston. Don't know how good Houston's gonna be, but I'm high on Tampa. The Rams obviously too, in Atlanta. Atlanta showed me a lot tonight. They got a lot of team speed. They, they might be a player too. We'll find out. [01:12:31] Speaker B: Yeah. All right, that's week two recap for the NFL. Let's take a quick break and let's recap some college football. Okay, time for a little college football recap from Week three, pretty exciting stuff. But first, we're gonna talk about the early firings. I think this as early as it's ever been for college football. Virginia Tech fires their guy, Brent Pry, after going 03, and so does UCLA firing Desean Foster, who was one of my favorite players, I think, actually think I have his jersey number for when he played it on the team. That's when I was a big UCLA guy. Not great. UCLA with Sean Foster, didn't start off really well, but ended the season on a good note. Looked pretty competitive, looked really tough, and almost made it to a bowl game. You thought that they would continue that momentum. They revamped the coaching staff, brought in some talent, even bringing in Tennessee's quarterback to come play at ucla. This guy has looked like dog doo doo as well in a. In a Bruin jersey and. [01:13:46] Speaker A: Well, yeah, touching on that. Basically, UCLA and Tennessee swap quarterbacks. Aguilar went from UCLA to Tennessee. Nico went for Tennessee. And like you said, one looks like crap and one looks great. So clearly one team won that trade for sure. [01:14:03] Speaker B: And UCLA has not looked good outside of like, what, two quarters or like one quarter that I was like, I text you guys, said that they're trash. And they finally, like, showed me enough to give me some hope here for this season. But to get their ass whipped. Aaron, when we were going over the College Lions, you said this should be a victory. We were pretty confident with the 15 and a half, whatever that point spread was, but they got their ass beat. And now desean Foster is out of a job less than a year and a half. He had, like. He really didn't have much time because Chip Kelly left at the last minute, so didn't really get a fair shot, I think. But they looked ugly. They look ugly. So rest in peace to Sean Foster and the UCLA football program. It was a bad loss, guys. Thoughts? [01:14:49] Speaker C: It's been bad, bad for UCLA since they joined the Big Ten. I think there was a lot of. There's a lot of talk, I think, from Pac12, you know, people as far as, you know, these teams that were coming from the Pac 12 joining the Big Ten. But UCLA just seemed from the beginning that they were the. The extra joining the Big Ten versus Oregon, USC and even Washington, because the Big Ten has even got USC's best of what USC is in their prime. And UCLA, like, you know, they've had some moments, you know, I guess, in our youth and, you know, when they were going up against that USC dynasty and UCLA was giving a run for their money and There was some, you know, appearances at some, you know, pretty big bulls here and there, you know, the secondary bulls, but, you know, they just haven't, they just haven't got it. And in this era of nil, you know, I don't know, the ucla, you know, booster and, you know, deep pockets are going to keep them, you know, be able to get the talent and do they have the infrastructure from a program perspective? Because, you know, they're a public university and they're a public university that cares about all sports. You know, they have pride. I think they're, they have the most national champions on any college out there. Like, they, just, because they're an Olympic school, they, they do everything, you know, swimming, gymnastics, like everything that goes out there. But at the end of the day, football pays for a lot of this stuff. And we were talking off pot a little about UCLA's financial troubles right now. Football's got to pay for that and in a different model right now and go against in a harder conference. And now you're flying across the country to play all those other different schools. From a football perspective, you know, what is the infrastructure and what's the coach you're bringing? Because you literally had a coach. Chip Kelly went to the national championship game at Oregon, you know, cup of coffee in the pros wasn't the best, but you get a guy that, you know should as a reputable college coach and he quits your program to go be the offensive coordinator at another college school. [01:16:48] Speaker B: We were doing well with Chip Kelly too, man. We were doing. [01:16:51] Speaker A: You weren't doing well. But every year they're talking about getting rid of them because they didn't want to pay him the money. They were paying them competitive against usc. [01:16:57] Speaker B: Whooping their ass like making moves like recruiting well, like it was on the up and then he just bounces and this is just, it's just in a hand basket or whatever. [01:17:07] Speaker C: It's a presser for the job. So my question is, is like, you don't, you don't want to pay Chip Kelly and you know, weren't happy with the six, you know, the moderate success he was getting. You know, what, what are you going to pay right now to get a top tier college coach is going to come in here and what's it going to cost? Because it's, it's going to be. [01:17:22] Speaker B: They have to now. [01:17:24] Speaker C: Yeah, they have to, but we'll see. I mean, you just went in on the cheap, which Deshaun Foster basically right now. [01:17:29] Speaker B: Cheap on football, dude, they went so. [01:17:32] Speaker A: Cheap on this, let's just put it in perspective. UCLA's buyout for Desean Foster's 5 mil. Jimbo Fisher just got fired from Texas A&M two years ago with a 76 million dollar buyout. I think Mike Nerville has a buyout north of 60 million at Florida State. Kellen Deborah probably has a buyout of about 70 million at Alabama. [01:17:53] Speaker B: Those guys carry more though. [01:17:55] Speaker A: But, but you're in a power conference in the Big Ten, which is the premier conference right now in college football. It's, it's overleaped the sec. They've won the last two national titles and you got a five million dollar buyout and you could have actually waited like you said Rome to December 2nd and it would have been down to 1 million. And they just said, we'll eat the 5 mil. Now, to Jason's point, UCLA has always been cheap when it comes to paying for coaches. They've never, you know, they're public school, they've never really invested. They've always been known as the basketball school down here and USC has always been the football. I mean, USC's paying Lincoln Riley north of what, 11 million I believe he's making right now. Even his buyout if he gets fired is probably 40, 50, 60 million in that range. If UCLA is really committed to football, which I'm not sure they are, they haven't ever been in my lifetime. They've had some nice runs here and there. Jim Moore went there, got him to a Pac 12 championship game. Chip Kelly, like you said, Rome every year, kind of that 7 and 5 bubble, 8 and 4 competing, but not really a threat to make the playoff or, you know, win a conference. When they were in the Pac 12. They're at the bottom of the barrel in the Big Ten. Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Big Ten commissioner called them up and said, dude, you guys, you need to do something now because we've got schools like Rutgers that are better than you. I mean, Purdue just made a big move and hired a new coach. They, they're better now and USC's. [01:19:19] Speaker B: How much, how good is pretty right now? [01:19:22] Speaker A: I will take one to beat ucla and they won one, one game last year. Even Northwestern's bad. There's, they're still better and more competitive than ucla. [01:19:31] Speaker C: Yeah, I think there's going to be, you know, I think there's some, some likely candidates that could be around there. If you're looking at, you know, Matt Campbell at Iowa State has been kind of bandied around. That's Done a good job there. Does he take it out west with a, you know, bigger program? Is somebody like Spencer Danielson at Boise State, you know, get into a bigger conference, bigger program, little bit shared recruiting area in the West Coast. You know, he's able to bring talent up to Boise. Can he bring, you know, bring him into la? They're going to have to get somebody that really knows the recruiting structure and knows what you, what you're going to need, what's, what's the people that are successfully get high school recruits but at the same time can utilize the portal to bring people in to be competitive because, you know, the Big Ten is not easy. You know, you're getting at this point, the Big Ten is rivalry in the SEC as hardest, hardest conference in the country. You know, as the NIL has kind of balanced, you know, the power structure across college football. So you got to be willing to pay and willing to compete and get the right things. And I think it's a combination of both between the NIL and the recruiting structure in California. It's the top three, you know, many years, maybe the one, you know, high school football like hotbed for talent, like UCLA should have a bunch of these guys that are here, you know, home grown that are there. And so I think that is what you got kind of tap into. And I think, you know, Aaron, you maybe, you know, have better thoughts on this. But you know, Lincoln Riley, when he comes from Oklahoma to usc, like Lincoln Riley really like almost did like national type of recruiting at Oklahoma and so stuff in the south to get there. But I mean, going to usc like he had to learn something different because there is a different type of competitive nature to recruiting at the Southern California market or just California overall. So I think, I think that's something for UCLA is how do you get these kids to stay home in Southern California and just, you know, there's talent here, just got to keep it here and have somebody's going to connect with the kids and bring them in and then, you know, get those names that could be in the portal looking to do something. [01:21:31] Speaker A: Well, I think that was the whole point of keeping desean Foster, right? He, he's a high school guy here, a college guy here. He can connect with the kids. I mean the recruiting class was looking okay, but to Jason's point, if this program's really going to turn it around, it's going to be nil next year and it's going to be a spinning spree of 25 to 30 mil, maybe minimum 20, because you know, if you're, if you're listening to Mike Gundy's numbers of Oregon's really paying 45 million for their roster. And we know Ohio State was on record as paying 20, 25 million. Texas A&M had the number one college recruiting class three years ago at 25, 30 million if you believe the reports Nick Saban was getting. You got to spend money and UCLA just hasn't done it. There's, there's coaches out there. I mean, Jason brought up two good names. I mean another guy who's not available now but what I think would have been a great fit for UCLA would have been Dan Mullen who's now at unlv. He's had great success at the SEC conference, but now he's there that, you know, and the PAC 12 is coming back. So we'll see. I mean you can turn it around quickly if you can get the right coaches in and if you can, you know, spend money. I mean look at, look at Florida State. You know, they got some new coaches, they spent some money and boom, all of a sudden now you're ranked in the top 10 after a year of going 2 and 10. It's possible to the Jason said to recruiting. Oregon and Washington have done a great job of recruiting down here. Lincoln Riley's doing a better job of it too. But USC is outspinning UCLA big time. I'm sure when you come to budget wise and money and the only way you can compete in college football is yeah, you have to spend money but you have to get quality coaches and coordinators too. Is use UCLA going to have that infrastructure and want to, to be part of this big twin Big Ten and college football bubble? Because I don't know what's going to happen. Are we going to get super conferences? I know Jason and Rome, you've talked about kind of a soccer format where the elite teams get pit in the conference and if not, you're at that bottom of the barrel where you get less money. UCLA is a prideful school, but when it comes to football, I've always laughed out the powder blue in those guys. [01:23:41] Speaker B: Yeah. All right, I think we covered enough on that topic. Let's move on to week three. Lots of big blowouts, lots of big upsets. Pretty exciting stuff. What game sticks out the most for you guys? Where do you want to start? [01:23:55] Speaker C: Go ahead, Aaron. You had the games to watch. [01:23:58] Speaker A: I mean. Yeah, games to watch. Rome, Georgia Tech over Clemson. Dude, that was a big one. [01:24:03] Speaker B: I love that game. [01:24:04] Speaker A: I, you know, I, I had Clemson to win But I, I, I'm not going to lie. I love seeing Dabo lose on Saturdays. I just love it. I just love seeing him lose and complain about ah, this and that. So I'm happy Georgia Tech won. GT was happy too, you know, he was happy. [01:24:19] Speaker B: It was good. Georgia Tech's good, man. Georgia Tech's good. They're have a good year. I'm, I'm really liking them. I'm really up on them. Got a little nervous though. I was really like. Tennessee was so close to getting that victory. I can't remember what happened at the end of the game, but they blew it. [01:24:36] Speaker A: And the kicker missed. [01:24:38] Speaker B: That's what happened. Is that what happened? [01:24:41] Speaker A: Yeah, he missed. I forget how what the distance was. Maybe 45, 49 yard field goal. I don't remember off the top of my head. I mean it was makeable kick. [01:24:49] Speaker B: But yeah, he missed because there was a game. I camera. Which one? One team kicked a field goal, then the. But the other team got a touchdown in overtime. [01:25:00] Speaker A: Yeah. So Tennessee kicked the field goal and then. Yeah, Georgia got the touchdown too. Yeah. [01:25:04] Speaker B: That was it then. Yeah. [01:25:05] Speaker A: Yeah. To finish that game off. I mean we, well. [01:25:07] Speaker B: Oh yeah, they missed it at the end of regulation. That's right. Yeah. And that's why it went to overtime. [01:25:12] Speaker A: Yes. [01:25:12] Speaker B: Okay. Got it. That's what you guys are referring to. [01:25:14] Speaker A: Tennessee did cover the, the three and a half spread. So we were a winner there. [01:25:19] Speaker B: Nice. That was a really great. That was a great, that was a great game. Tennessee is good. Tennessee is pretty good. [01:25:27] Speaker A: I like Tennessee. I mean Georgia showed me a lot too because offensively the first two games of the year they did not have one passing touchdown. Gunners talked and he showed me something. They showed. I didn't think Georgia was going to win this game. That was one of my many upsets of the week that I thought Tennessee was going to win. You're close to, but give, give Georgia Kirby. Smart man. He's still the, he's still the king of the SEC right now. [01:25:50] Speaker B: Still the king. I was a little nervous about the Iowa State game. They did not look good against Arkansas State. Is that it? Yeah, they did not look good, but they did get the victory. But I was sweating bullets, man. I did not have that game that close, dude. I thought they would cover a little more than what they did. [01:26:09] Speaker A: You did take them in our Westgate College contest, Rome, so. Yeah, you did think they were going to cover. They, they did not. [01:26:17] Speaker B: Dude. It was. I thought they might win by like a couple touchdowns, but they just did not get it rolling. But they keep on winning, though. Jesus Christ. [01:26:33] Speaker A: And what they went by 8, 24, 16 was the final, I think. [01:26:36] Speaker B: And, and, and it was close. [01:26:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:39] Speaker B: I think they were like, what, a couple points away at the half. I'm like, dude, what the hell's going on here? Did you watch that game? [01:26:46] Speaker A: Few parts, yeah. [01:26:48] Speaker C: I only saw a little bit of it. I was kind of. Those games where I just put away. You're playing Arkansas State. I'm just figuring you're to take care of business. [01:26:54] Speaker B: Yeah, you would think. [01:26:56] Speaker C: I will see the other, the other, the other part of Arkansas. I was a little more surprised and how close Arkansas kept it to Ole Miss. You know, I think a lot of Lane Kiffin, how good that team was last year, you know, potentially making the College Football Playoff. That game was really close. I also, you know, I want to make it all about me at the same time, too. I'm also very concerned that Notre Dame is going to be playing Arkansas in a couple weeks. And this is, you know, this isn't as an easy game as I thought. Like, Notre Dame's schedule is very difficult in this first. [01:27:25] Speaker B: It's hard, dude. It is loaded. Yeah, dude. They're the first, what, 02 team now still in the top 25 since. Yes. [01:27:33] Speaker A: Notre Dame. I think if Notre Dame still wins out, they're going to get in the playoffs. Considering that their two losses are against Miami. [01:27:40] Speaker B: Really good teams. [01:27:41] Speaker A: Miami's looking really good. And Texas A M, Texas, Amazon. So if these two teams continue to play top 5, 10, 15, and Notre Dame wins out, I think they can get into the playoff. I mean, it's been heartbreak losses for Notre Dame. Really tough, tough couple losses here to start the season. [01:27:59] Speaker B: What both games like, what, three or four points? [01:28:02] Speaker A: Four points. [01:28:03] Speaker B: Jason, dude, you're the Notre Dame guy. Tell us how you're feeling. [01:28:08] Speaker C: I feel like I feel that game was stolen from us. Drum, to be honest with you. [01:28:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:28:14] Speaker C: There was a blatant holding call to end the game for that touchdown pass. I think there. There were some things in that game, obviously, that the game shouldn't have been as close from a Notre Dame perspective. What I've liked about Notre Dame, to be honest with you, is offensively, they're way better offensively than I thought they would be. I think right now that what they got. [01:28:32] Speaker A: Car is pretty good. He's. I like him as a quarterback. [01:28:35] Speaker C: Yeah, Car's been pretty good. So I think there was a lot of times last year with Riley Leonard, like, we were just. He was dropping Back to pass and. Okay, how's he gonna run for the first down Right now we were going to trust his arm. I think Carr's got ability to throw and pass and obviously they have a dynamic running game with two really good running backs that are able to blow the game open and, and help take pressure off a car. I think defensively is just where the things they got to obviously tighten up and I thought they had that at a certain point and they should have won the game. The holding call was one thing, botching the extra point was another. And it doesn't look good starting 0 and 2. You know, just, it's, it's bad. But if you're gonna start 0 and 2, at least you aren't getting upset by, you know, Wyoming State, Northern Illinois. [01:29:22] Speaker B: Northern Illinois last year. Yeah, yeah. [01:29:25] Speaker C: So yeah, didn't upset there. Hey, you're losing to a team that go in the ACC in Miami. You're losing to a team that could be pretty competitive in the SEC that, you know, has a, has a really good coach and is building something down there at Texas A M. So these are two good losses. And I agree with Aaron. If they do win out, you know, then yeah, they're probably going to get in at 10 and 2. They, they're going to be one of the wild cards in the playoffs. So they're still a path for them, but it's disappointing because, man, it's just you start off two losses, it's a tough way to go. And a game, Texas, a game they should have won. Miami, they may have didn't deserve to be as close as it was, but it also was a winnable game for them in the fourth quarter as well. So they've played well. And that's the good thing to see from Notre Dame because they did lose some guys to the draft and they still been able to rebuild where in years past you'd see like a down year. There's something here with Notre Dame, so I still think there's, there's some positives they can go on to, but it sucks being 0 and 2 though. [01:30:18] Speaker B: It sucks giving away two games like that already. Yeah, yeah. [01:30:21] Speaker A: I mean, I think, I mean, I don't know what the, you know, the committee does when they talk about who gets in the playoff or not, but I think you have to put notes in there like, hey, Notre Dame lost basically on a botched extra point and a blatant missed holding call. Now Texas A and M still would had another play, would have been 4th and 16 instead of 4th and 6 or whatever it was, it still would have had a chance to win. The chances of them actually executing it go down a lot. Another. You know, Jason was high on this team early in the year. I wasn't. But Miami, Miami's looked really good. And I really have to say it's, it's Carson Beck. I mean last year at Georgia looked like he regressed. He has a major elbow injury. There was question marks where he was going to be at. Now this guy looks like a first round NFL draft pick again. Now all of a sudden, you know, there's mock drafts that had him going in the top 10 before his bad season at Georgia. But Miami's looking strong. They're looking good. They did. [01:31:16] Speaker B: They destroyed South Florida. Dude, I didn't think it was gonna be that. [01:31:20] Speaker A: I mean they, yeah, they just most. And that's with a two hour weather delay too because of lightning. So right now Miami's got basically that, the floor, this Florida triangle. They got South Florida, then they got Florida, then they got Florida State. If they can win those games, Miami's, Miami's for real. So we're going to find out. [01:31:38] Speaker C: I think it'll be a real showdown. Looking into that Florida State game. The Florida game, you know, after, after Florida is not look great. In the past two weeks, that game's probably a little more manageable for Miami. They just can't trip up because that's the, these are the classic Miami moments of probably the past decade. Plus is when you thought they would be back and be the Miami of, you know, early 2000s with Sean Taylor or you know, the 80s Miami team. You know, they have, they have tripped up in moments again, never have won the acc, which is insane because this was a, this is a national brand of a program. And I've been waiting for them to kind of come because they got all the talent. You know, Mario Cristobal is bringing in the talent. He was one of the chief recruiters at Alabama under Nick Saban, getting like the big, you know, defensive lineman, the big offensive lineman. You look at this Miami team, they're built different than they were before. They have to take some SEC pedigree in it. It's going to be about execution, game plan and all that kind of stuff that, you know, Mario Cristobal kind of carries around because of some of the late game stuff in his first year in Miami that's kind of going there. But the Florida State game in a couple of weeks, I think that'll be the one kind of we're all looking at it being like the measuring stick of at this point, it might be, you know, deciding a little bit who wins the regular season ACC championship, because Clemson obviously not great. And, you know, some of the others out there haven't been, you know, potentially as looking good as these two programs right now. [01:32:56] Speaker A: Touching on Florida, Jason, you guys mentioned defensively, Florida is really good. I mean, their defense played good enough. They shut down lsu, but their offense, lagway with five turnovers, five interceptions, they just can't score. They go into Miami, it's going to be difficult for them to win that game if they continue to drop less than 20 points. To beat Miami, you're going to have to score 28 to 30 points. That's just what it is. That office is really talented and Mario Crystal Ball is a great, great recruiter. Like Jason said, he recruited great at Alabama for Nick Saban. He got Oregon back on the map there. Did a great job recruiting. Dan Lenning's even taking it to another level, but Miami was in the dumps. I mean, this was like a 5 and 7 program when he got there. He's in his third year, but he's always kind of gone in his way with, you know, clock management or doing some bonehead stuff. I like his offensive coordinator. I like the defensive coordinator he brought in from the University of Minnesota. They're a lot more aggressive. They're a lot bigger. The Miami Florida State showdown, if they're both undefeated here in two weeks, is going to be the game of the year in the acc. [01:33:59] Speaker B: Sorry, I'm looking ahead at some of the other games. Michigan, dude, they looked really good. I didn't know that they're going to win by that much, but their interim head coach really came in through. [01:34:10] Speaker A: They play against Nebraska next week, Rome. I've got a feeling on that game, but I'll wait later in the week to give my thoughts on that one. [01:34:20] Speaker B: Well, more will still be out. Yeah. For two weeks, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's really tough. No, Michigan looked great, dude. Their freshman quarterback, what's his name? Underwood. Phenomenal. He's really fast. He's really big, dude. He like, he trucked a few defenders. [01:34:37] Speaker A: Like a linebacker, dude. [01:34:39] Speaker B: He's big for only being, what, 18, if that solid. I, I saw a lot of the Oklahoma game. Their quarterback, really, really good. [01:34:48] Speaker A: They know, you know, who a team's not looking good and I don't want to pick on this guy, but Arch Manning in Texas does not look good, dude. I mean, UTEP sucks and they barely even did anything against those guys. [01:35:04] Speaker B: They boot him off the field, dude. [01:35:06] Speaker A: And straight incompletions. [01:35:07] Speaker B: Let me see. He only got 114 yards, one touchdown, really bad interception. I guess it was going around on X where like he was like grimacing after like some play. So some people think he's actually injured but I, I forgot he went to Texas early. So this is his third year there. He's a junior and I, I, for some reason I just still thought he was like a, like a sophomore or something like that, so. And his mechanics are kind of weird. He just kind of backyard football and plays like if he's Mahomes, but he does not look good at all, man. I don't know. I do not know. Even the game last week, right when they play San Jose State there's a lot of criticism because they didn't really beat San Jose State. [01:35:48] Speaker A: Well, every, everything he did was in a four minute window. [01:35:52] Speaker B: Yeah. It wasn't like a, like an ass kicking like you expected to be like look at what Michigan did. Like that's what you want to see these. [01:35:58] Speaker A: Well, they were, I mean they're a 411 1/2 point favorite. That's the biggest one on this. And UTEP is, UTEP is terrible, man. I mean that's a bad football team. [01:36:08] Speaker B: They only won by 17 points. Dude, that's. I don't know, really nervous for Texas. Yeah, everything I said about Texas last year, it's happening this year. Right. [01:36:21] Speaker C: Because we were right last year too because they, you know, they, you guys. [01:36:24] Speaker B: Weren'T right last year. [01:36:25] Speaker C: Okay. [01:36:26] Speaker B: They could have won the championship. [01:36:27] Speaker A: More than vindicated for last year's performance. [01:36:30] Speaker C: Yeah, they did. I mean again they're gonna have a tough schedule. They get Sam Houston and then probably an easier game in Florida. But then they're gonna have to go against Oklahoma who at this point probably has legit. They had legit. And then going down later in their schedule and we haven't talked about it yet. The biggest, I don't know if it's the biggest upset of the weekend, at least I thought it was, was Vanderbilt beating South Carolina. [01:36:53] Speaker B: Nice call, Aaron. [01:36:54] Speaker C: You know, and yeah, Aaron was on that one. And Vanderbilt looked great and, and that's going to be no pushover in the sec. You know they beat Bama last year and we're scaring some people like you know, they're coming to play right now. And so I think that's not the pushover game that maybe some of these SEC title contenders thought it might have been. [01:37:14] Speaker B: Well, that's if Diego Pavia is Still allowed to play after their court hearing this week. That's gonna be a big one. [01:37:24] Speaker C: All right. [01:37:24] Speaker A: Well, yeah, you brought that up, Rome. I mean, I see Vanderbilt now ranked. [01:37:30] Speaker B: Yeah, 20. [01:37:31] Speaker A: Look at Vanderbilt's. Ever since that win against Alabama that we noted, they've, they've been a premier program right now in the sec. That's just the bottom line. They played really, really well. I'm gonna look at their schedule right now. They got two cupcakes and at Bama. [01:37:47] Speaker B: Let's check it out here. [01:37:48] Speaker A: You know Bama's gonna get up for that game. [01:37:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, they're gonna go on to get rid. [01:37:52] Speaker A: Yeah, they gotta run here. They got a gauntlet. They got Bama, lsu, Missouri, Texas. [01:37:56] Speaker B: Dude, this is a tough schedule, man. [01:37:58] Speaker A: Look at this. No, there's no easy games in the sec. [01:38:00] Speaker C: Sec, yeah, that after that Auburn, maybe they get their bye week versus Kentucky, but then they end at Tennessee. [01:38:08] Speaker B: That's a tough, that's a tough schedule. [01:38:11] Speaker A: So. And I, I said this to you, Rome Pavia. You said he may not be eligible if I'm Vanderbilt. I'm just throwing the guy out there. I don't care what the NCAA says. I'm not. Were they gonna make me forfeit games and not count them? You know, if you're Vanderbilt, you've always sucked in football. This is the most relevant you've been in football, like I said, since James Franklin was there. [01:38:30] Speaker B: I don't know how any of that stu. Like it doesn't make any sense anymore. I'm totally kind of. [01:38:34] Speaker A: I don't know. You get suspended. Whatever they do that says you can't play. Do you, you know, appeal it and then you continue playing and then another judge grants you a week or two? I don't know how it works. [01:38:44] Speaker C: It's a wild, wild west out there in college football, man. [01:38:47] Speaker A: All they know is if you're not greasing the wheels, then you're not trying. So somebody's got to grease the wheels over there at Vanderbilt. [01:38:53] Speaker B: So you think he still plays after this? [01:38:55] Speaker A: Absolutely. No, no. No way I'm sitting him. [01:38:59] Speaker B: Dude, South Carolina is a tough team. Dude. They beat the out of them. [01:39:02] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, they lost their quarterback in the first half of a concussion, but I think Vanderbilt, I think Vanderbilt still would have won that game regardless. [01:39:08] Speaker B: I missed that. Okay. Interesting. Lsu, Florida, tough victory. I don't know if you saw Kelly's post game conference. [01:39:17] Speaker C: I did not. Was it something notable? [01:39:20] Speaker B: Pretty funny. [01:39:21] Speaker A: I heard about it, but I didn't see it. I didn't Read it. [01:39:24] Speaker C: Did he bring back out the, you know, the bayou accent or something for the. From the guy from the Massachusetts. Speaking. Speaking like he's from. From Louisiana. [01:39:33] Speaker B: No, he didn't. I guess a reporter asked him, like, you know, how can. You guys can't convert on like third downs or whatever or something like that. He's like, what do you guys want? We won the game. Who gives a. He went like this big tirade. It is actually really good clip. It's pretty funny. He was not having. They went on to say like that. That's what's wrong with you guys. You guys are spoiled. You guys just can't take it. You know, we. We won the game. [01:39:57] Speaker C: So he's not wrong. I'll be. I'll be honest. I'd be. I'd be the worst as a coach. Going to these press conferences, too, having these reporters ask, like, weird questions. Well, you didn't. You went for it on this. Yeah, I did because I wanted to get the first down, but then, you know, it didn't work out. So you take a chance because I'm a genius if it works. And I. You're questioning me if it doesn't. [01:40:13] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, if you're LSU, you're 3 0, right? [01:40:16] Speaker B: 3 0. That's what. [01:40:17] Speaker A: So, I mean, the SEC, like we talked about stuff. Florida's got a good defense. They've got a good defense. They shut down South Florida. Just. They can't score. That's. That's Florida's downfall right now. They cannot score. [01:40:28] Speaker B: So they have five interceptions, man. [01:40:30] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, that's what won the game. And a pick six. I think I text you guys. It was a big pick six there to kind of ice that game midway through the third or early fourth quarter. [01:40:38] Speaker B: Third quarter. Yeah. [01:40:40] Speaker A: So that was big for them. I'm looking at some other games here. Rome, I mean, Oklahoma, Texas, that showdown is going to be coming up here pretty soon. Oklahoma's with that quarterback. They're looking good. Oklahoma's got Auburn this week. Ohio. Ohio State had a little tough outing early before finally blowing out Ohio. But Ohio's pretty good football team. They're better than people think. [01:41:03] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it was. That was another big point spread. But yeah, it was a tough fight in the first half until they blew it out. Any other games that kind of stick out? [01:41:14] Speaker C: I don't think games, but I. I think as we trans. We talked about the first firing with ucl. The other one out there was Virginia Tech, as we mentioned. As we mentioned the South Carolina loss. Aaron do you think we get a Beamer recruited back over to Virginia Tech? [01:41:35] Speaker B: He's. He's rumored to take the job if. If it's given to him. It's already circling right now. [01:41:41] Speaker A: You know, it's interesting, man. I mean, his dad built a nice program there. I mean, obviously he got to that title game with Mike. Vicky. I mean. Yeah, I think it comes down to resources, right? I mean, South Carolina's. I mean, no matter what, they're probably always going to be that 6 to 8, 6 to 10 range team in the SEC in Virginia tech hasn't. You know, what can they do if he goes over there? I. I could see it happening. I could definitely see it happening. Me, Virginia Tech. But again, like, you know, are they going to spend. Do they have the money? What's the infrastructure look like? South Carolina is competitive in the toughest conference right now. Virginia Tech has not been competitive for a while over there in the acc. [01:42:27] Speaker C: I would say it's still. I mean, Aaron, I don't know about this. Still a little bit of a surprising firing, though. Just how long Pry has been there? I mean, was this just since fourth year? [01:42:42] Speaker B: Fourth or fifth year. But he only had like 17 wins over that course and they've been losing. [01:42:47] Speaker A: We took. He took over a bad program because he came. Where'd he come from? Did he come from. He came from. Not a very great program that he turned around and got there and he had some okay years. I mean, look, they got beat by South Carolina and Vanderbilt, but the problem is they got beat. What was it they got destroyed by? Was it it Old Dominion? [01:43:07] Speaker B: Old Dominion, dude, they got their ass beat. Yeah, 45 to 26. That's what did it. [01:43:11] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. That's kind of like the same loss, like a Mac Brown at North Carolina last year, like, where it's just like the fan base is only six mil. Yeah, yeah. [01:43:21] Speaker C: No air. Look at this. He's. [01:43:22] Speaker A: He. [01:43:22] Speaker C: This was his first head coaching opportunity. He was just a coordinator before this. [01:43:26] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:43:27] Speaker A: Where'd he come from? [01:43:28] Speaker B: He's young, right? [01:43:29] Speaker C: Penn State. Before that, Vanderbilt. Yeah, he was Penn State. [01:43:36] Speaker B: The D coordinator there. [01:43:38] Speaker C: So. But yeah, I mean, just since 2002. So this was year four for him. So I guess you're expecting to make a leap after, you know, finishing 7 and 6. 6 and 7 the past two years. But yeah, like you said, Aaron, the cupboard was a little bare of a program. Him taking over from, you know, Justin Fuente, who, you know, was the Fuente bad. [01:43:58] Speaker A: I think Fuente, they got Rid of after like two years there. [01:44:01] Speaker C: No, Fuente had a run. He was in 2016-2021. [01:44:05] Speaker A: Okay. [01:44:05] Speaker C: Yeah, but just, I mean his best year, I guess was his. I mean he was third in the Coastal, but I mean he was just, just putting up six and seven, five and six seasons for like a while. That's all. Virginia Tech's kind of been like their last 10 win season was in 2016. That was Fuente's first year on the job. And so they really haven't done more than like, you know, there's six, seven win program basically that, you know, was a perennial ACC title or Big east back in the day contender with Ace. With Miami. [01:44:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean when Frank Beamer was there, they were, they were a tradition 9, 10 win team, so. Yeah, but they have, they've not been relevant in the ACC for a while. So, you know, if Shane Beamer wants to go there, go for it. I, I think it'd be a nice hire, a good hire. [01:44:55] Speaker C: Well, not to wait and see, but I had to bring that up because it was kind of interesting opening in lieu of the South Carolina loss. Seemed to be a little bit in the news. [01:45:03] Speaker B: One of the biggest critiques, I guess was same thing with the UCLA they used to pride themselves with in state recruiting. And that has not been happening. Lots of criticism there from the top down. So crazy. [01:45:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Looking at a couple of these other college games, you know, I know Jason had to keep an eye on Tulane. That's his five team. Nice win over Duke. They looked really good. The transfer quarterback from BYU recorded four rushing touchdowns. So I like the way two lanes looking. Utah with a big win over Wyoming setting up, I think probably the two best teams right now in the Big 12. You got Utah versus Texas Tech coming up this weekend. That's going to be big game. I believe it's in Salt Lake City. So that's gonna be an interesting game for the Big 12 coming up this weekend. And then Rome. Just one last thing. My surprise team. I told you I like them early in the year. Cal of the upset over Minnesota. Keep an eye on Cal. Their schedule's really, really easy. Cal could be this year's Indiana team where they run the table and go like 11 and oh, 11 and one. I'm gonna say it right now. Watch out for Cal. They're scheduled so easy. [01:46:16] Speaker B: I might have to go to a game. You can buy them for like 10 bucks here. [01:46:20] Speaker A: Yeah, Cal, Cal's a team. I think that could go 11, 11 and 1 when the season's all said and done. Look at their schedule. Look at their schedule. [01:46:28] Speaker B: They've got the pull it up here. [01:46:30] Speaker A: They basically have two tough games against Virginia and Louisville. Outside of that, it's really like they should win all those games. [01:46:38] Speaker B: And this is from a team, dude. Like I, you know, because I've been doing stand up here in Berkeley a little bit. Like they're like jumping shoved. Before the season started, they said this team stinks. So pretty crazy. [01:46:50] Speaker A: I like this team. I like the quarterback. Dude. Dude's a freshman. Stud. [01:46:55] Speaker B: Yeah. No, Minnesota was kind of tricky too. That's a big win. San Diego State. How good is San Diego State? [01:47:00] Speaker A: Garbage. [01:47:01] Speaker B: Okay. Boston College. [01:47:03] Speaker A: Garbage. They lost the Stanford garbage. Keep running down the list. I'll tell you right now. [01:47:08] Speaker B: Jason's a big Duke guy. I told you they're garbage. [01:47:10] Speaker A: Carolina, they'll beat them. Where's it at? Is that a cow or is that. [01:47:15] Speaker B: I might go to that game. [01:47:16] Speaker A: Dude, go to it. [01:47:17] Speaker B: Here. [01:47:18] Speaker A: They're going to beat them. Here. They're going to beat them. [01:47:20] Speaker B: So now they're Bill check in action. [01:47:22] Speaker A: So now they're what, six and oh. Keep going down the list. [01:47:25] Speaker B: I think the North Carolina might be tricky. Virginia Tech. [01:47:29] Speaker A: That's a win. [01:47:30] Speaker B: That's an interim. Now Virginia, where is it? [01:47:33] Speaker A: That's at Virginia or at California? [01:47:35] Speaker B: At Cal. [01:47:35] Speaker A: That's a win. Virginia's not bad though. [01:47:38] Speaker B: I feel like we're doing like this Rich Eisen thing. [01:47:41] Speaker A: Louisville at Louisville. [01:47:43] Speaker B: At Louisville. [01:47:45] Speaker A: That might be a slip up. That might be their only slip up that I can remember. [01:47:49] Speaker B: Stanford. Stanford's been out. [01:47:51] Speaker A: Stanford sucks. [01:47:51] Speaker B: Kind of. Okay. Some. You. [01:47:54] Speaker A: They'll beat them. SM is not that good. [01:47:56] Speaker B: How is SME doing so far? I haven't really kept track of them. [01:47:59] Speaker A: 3 and 1. [01:48:00] Speaker C: I think it'll be a challenge for people on the schedule, but I think smu, they're probably going to be playing spoiler between Florida State Miami right now. [01:48:08] Speaker B: All right, Anything else? [01:48:12] Speaker C: Nope. We got two big Monday night games ahead of us on the pro side and then some more college football next week. [01:48:19] Speaker B: I love it. [01:48:20] Speaker A: Yeah. So we did go. We did go. 4 and 3 overall for Week 3 college football picks in the Westgate super contest. So a winning week. [01:48:28] Speaker B: I'm sorry, guys. [01:48:28] Speaker C: Sorry. We can do better. There's room for improvement. Aaron, what percentile are we at right now? I mean we're. We're still 50. Okay. [01:48:36] Speaker A: You know the top right now we have a combined 10 and a half points. The top leader, Guy, he's. He's killing it. Actually. He's at like 17 and a half, but there's a lot of guys right there at that. 13, 14. So, I mean, we get a five and two, six one week, maybe. [01:48:51] Speaker B: How's your independent one doing? How's your other one going? [01:48:54] Speaker A: My independent one? I've got one of my 11. 9 and 1 in that. So I'm the top 25, like, right there at 25, 26 percentile. [01:49:05] Speaker B: How's your other guy? [01:49:07] Speaker A: He's a half point behind our group, so he's at 10 total points. He's had some bad losses, too. I mean, we. We should have hit. If Mississippi could have got that touchdown against Arkansas instead of kicking field goals, that would have been a cover. A couple tough losses. [01:49:21] Speaker B: You know, I think we should just never bet on Mississippi. [01:49:24] Speaker A: You know, now they lose it now. I mean, like. [01:49:27] Speaker B: Like, this is just like a. [01:49:28] Speaker A: The. [01:49:29] Speaker B: It's a Lane Kiffin thing. We talked about this before the season started then. Yeah. We go against our own. [01:49:33] Speaker A: Well, let's put it this way. I'm just gonna note this because I've. I've got this in my own notes. Jason has taken LSU twice. They've covered both times. I've taken. [01:49:41] Speaker B: Really. [01:49:42] Speaker A: I've taken Cal twice. They've covered twice. So we do got that going for us right now. So those might be. And then Rome, like you said, Mississippi is 0 and 2 in the COVID so we might want to start taking track of names of teams that are covering and those that are not. [01:49:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:50:00] Speaker A: What else did we have? [01:50:01] Speaker C: Mississippi. You lost Iowa State. And then we won Arizona State. [01:50:05] Speaker B: Iowa station to cover. Dude. [01:50:07] Speaker A: Well, they got like, you know, win. That was. That was not. That was not the right side. They should have covered the week before against Iowa when you got the push. But, yeah. Oh, well, it is what it is there. [01:50:17] Speaker B: It is what it is, Cole. Week three in the books, then. I love it. I'm looking forward to the next week. It can only get better than this. [01:50:25] Speaker A: I'm really curious, Jason. I'm sure you're looking forward to College Football Week 4, but I'm waiting for the big reveal. Who's Rome going to take in that Michigan, Nebraska showdown in Lincoln? That. That's the real, real question because I might even have to pick that as part of the contest. Picks. I. I have a side, but we'll wait and see. What? [01:50:46] Speaker C: It's just how he plays it, you know, just you. Last week between your guys, Steichen and Peyton, you had to really pick a side. It was close. It was a pickup. [01:50:54] Speaker A: I Picked, Right. I got lucky and picked. [01:50:56] Speaker B: I don't like these new divisions. It's. Man, I went to Nebraska. I was supposed to go to Michigan. I like Goldstam. This is not fair. That's why you shouldn't have six college teams. [01:51:07] Speaker C: Yeah. Or you just decided one team, you know, but whatever, whatever. [01:51:10] Speaker A: Just have one main team. Rome. [01:51:15] Speaker B: Is my main team. [01:51:16] Speaker A: Okay, there you go. You can have other teams you like. Like, my main team's Florida State. Yours is now ucla, for officially, you just said it. We know Jason's Notre Dame, so you can have other programs you like. But, you know, I've always rooted for Nebraska. [01:51:31] Speaker B: Well, Nebraska might be my official team. [01:51:33] Speaker C: Eric Crouch and Tommy Frazier ain't coming through that door, man. [01:51:37] Speaker B: No, no. They cost me a lot of money in that championship game. Anyways, Aaron was right. He said they're gonna get their ass kicked. They did, dude. All right, cool. I'll do it then. Catch the clips on YouTube. I'm putting out some cool clips from this past pod out on the socials. Some pretty funny stuff. I think you guys will like it. Including the stay away week. I think that was a pretty funny clip and some other embarrassing things. [01:52:00] Speaker C: So I should have stayed away this last week, Rome. So maybe I should start learning from you. [01:52:07] Speaker A: There were a lot of stay away games. But, hey, it's part of the entertainment and what the audience wants. We'll give them a side. We'll give them a pick. I mean, look at the audience. Might week three fade Jason or say, hey, he's due for a turnaround and they might ride it. Ride with them. I don't know. We'll find out. [01:52:22] Speaker C: I would just say I'm one in one right now. I was good at week one. Got a little cocky, didn't prepare very well. Not a good week two. We're gonna bounce back in week three. A little more preparation, you know, go. You know, I'm gonna be in a stadium. This. You know, we coming up from an NFL perspective for Bears, Cowboys. So, you know, just a little extra homework needs to be done. You know, we'll write the ship. We'll be good. [01:52:43] Speaker B: Well, it's interesting and like Aaron, Roger. [01:52:45] Speaker A: Said, it's only week two. Don't pan. [01:52:47] Speaker B: It's only week. [01:52:47] Speaker A: Don't. [01:52:48] Speaker C: Relax, Relax. [01:52:51] Speaker B: Tomorrow, me and Aaron got Texas. You got the Bucks with the points. And then I think all three of us got the Chargers. [01:53:03] Speaker C: You have the Raiders, is what I have on file. [01:53:06] Speaker B: Really? [01:53:07] Speaker C: Yes. Three and a half. [01:53:08] Speaker A: I guess we gotta go. Yeah, I think you do have The Raiders. [01:53:10] Speaker B: I gotta go back to the tape now. [01:53:12] Speaker C: So we have. We. We'd have. We'd have a split across the board because we all got different picks across the three from the combination. So. [01:53:20] Speaker A: I really don't feel good about the Texans I gave you. Either way, I wish I could take that. [01:53:26] Speaker C: I feel good about Tampa Bay, and I was the only one who took him, so. [01:53:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I was looking at that. I'm like, yeah, you know. Yeah, we'll see. I do. I do like. I do like the Chargers, though, to cover that. [01:53:36] Speaker B: Yeah. It's just weird, you know, when we're, like, recording this, you know, you get. You just feel, like, so much energy sometimes, and you're like, what? [01:53:43] Speaker A: Well, I mean, there was. [01:53:44] Speaker B: Did I even make that pick? [01:53:46] Speaker A: I mean, there was a lot of games. That was one of them. Broncos Colts was one of them. I mean, there's a few games. I mean, you call them the stay away games, Rome. I mean, that from a better perspective, I would definitely not be playing aside on that game. [01:54:00] Speaker B: But which one? [01:54:02] Speaker A: Texans Bucks. I feel like that game would go really either way. [01:54:06] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. Yeah. That's a pickup. Yeah. All right, quick little recap on yesterday's epic matchup, Canelo versus Crawford. People were billing it one of the better fights in a long, long time, and I think it definitely lived up to it. Guys, what were your takeaways? [01:54:31] Speaker A: Well, Rome, it was being labeled, what, one of the biggest fights of the decade, century coming in, Canelo the champion, and then Bud Crawford coming up. Moving up to what, weight classes here? The fight was good. I mean, I haven't watched boxing really, in a while. I don't, you know, obviously, you know, I watched, you know, ufc, mixed martial Arts. [01:54:52] Speaker B: It was really good, man. A lot of punches thrown. Felt like a movie. [01:54:56] Speaker A: It was. It was. It was an exciting fight. I. I thought the better man won that night. I. I had this. I scored the fight. Nine rounds of three. 117, 111. I'm not sure what Jason had. He sent us a message from somebody on Twitter that was laughing at the 115, 113 that the judges had, which was a joke. I mean, you could have gone 8, 4, but 75 was ridiculous. Crawford, you know, give him credit. You know, one reason why I liked him in this fight, I just thought he would be the better pure boxer. I thought his speed would be good in this fight, and that was really the difference. And. And he was able to stand up with the power of Canelo. Canelo was really pressing, trying to you know, bully him. And Crawford just kind of sat there, took some punches, landed his own. Like you said, it was quicker, landed more punches. A nice win for Crawford, who now, you know, goes down as one of the. One of the goats of this generation of boxing. [01:55:55] Speaker B: Yeah, Canelo, man, he's really strong, and that's what, like, a lot of people gloat about him. I do watch a little bit more box than you, Aaron. I haven't seen Canelo press like that in a long time. I just think he hasn't needed to or just did enough just to get the points because he knew it was up. That's why. That's why you hate boxing, right? That's why you don't watch it as much. They're not forced to. To kind of go to the end, much like ufc, but, dude, like, his face was swollen after the fight. Like, Crawford being smaller. Everyone's like, you know, what's the size difference? Everyone's talking how Canelo's just taking advantage of all these, like, rules and all these, I guess, things that he put into the contract as well, to make it harder for Crawford to be competitive in the fight. But Crawford was smarter, faster, and really, really fast, man, he just. He just laid it on him, and he was very powerful. I think that caught Canelo off guard the most. When those punches landed, they look like they affected him big time. Canelo hasn't been punched like that a long time, so I don't know if there's, like, a. A clause that they do a rematch. I don't even know if Canelo wants that, because after the match in the ring, he was saying something else in Spanish, you know, saying, like, how he should have won. But afterwards in the presser, he was giving a lot of praise to Crawford and saying, like, nah, man, this guy is better than Mayweather as well. So that was interesting, Jay. [01:57:17] Speaker C: Yeah, there was some. There were some good, I think, clips on Twitter. There's one really great shot of Crawford hitting Canelo. His face kind of goes away and then kind of turns. He turns back and, like, almost, like, get his look of shock, like, oh, props, because that one. That one really hurt. And yeah, you mentioned the pressing aspect. Like, it got. It got past that halfway point in the fight. And I don't know if it was, like, the seventh round or something where, like, Canelo understood, like, hey, I'm. I'm behind. I need to start, like, making it. And Crawford didn't back down, and he kept the pressure coming to him. There was even kind of that that moment where they got, you know, kind of tied up against the ropes, the inadvertent headbutt came up. Like, that was the Crawford, I will say, man, the guy, he is focused. That man is fo. Like, there was no, like, giving anything on there. But that was the first time he was like, he was pissed about that because it was like, yeah, this, it felt intentional and everything like that because Canelo was just grasping for straws at a certain point in that fight and needed to make up some points. So he gets this. This, you know, small cut on Crawford, you know, inadvertently, quote unquote. But yeah, man, it was impressive. And it's. The post fight was weird. Like, you talked about him saying stuff in Spanish that I definitely wasn't tracking too. It was like, it was like a. It was like a 10 minute promo and the translator comes and just says 30 seconds or something. I was like, hey, he said way more than that, but thanks. But yeah, it gets those weird things in boxing where it's like, you know, I'm a big pro wrestling guy. And I will say, like the promotion, the overall presentation of this fight, you can tell the influence of tko, who promoted this fight, that this, there's this. There's a WWE esque of the show in presentation and everything going on that. But now you get post fight and you're like talking about the rematch and the setup and Crawford's talking about retirement and, you know, everything around to it. And so they were trying to build drama. I think about two people that for the most part, generally respected each other and for the. And Canelo, I think Kellerman said it like, oh, he didn't have to take this fight. And I think that's why people hate boxing, because it's like, what do you mean? It had to take this fight. Like, that's, you know, you should be fighting the best. And that's what people say about boxing. So I'll give Canelo that. Like, is he, you know, he hasn't fought the biggest boxers recently, but he's, you know, done the Mayweather fight in the Pacquiao fight and, you know, and then now, you know, doing this fight. So he's. He's taking the big. The big ones. And that's what I think boxing's about these big, like, moments and, you know, big showdowns of like two. Two guys. And I think this one, this one delivered and on Netflix, I will say, is another cool thing too, because we're getting kind of to the post pay per view era of sports right now. Like, WWE did this, you know, more than, you know, almost a decade ago now, and they launched the WWE Network and didn't do pay per views for actually paying anymore. UFC's going into that now with their deal with Paramount. This being on Netflix from a streamer. It may be the most watched fight of all time. You know, potentially when they go to the streaming numbers and stuff, versus what it would be like on a pay per view. So I think it was a really success, a successful event, and that definitely, like, Aaron, like, I'm not the biggest boxing guy, but, you know, I sat down and, you know, and watched it because there was intrigue to it. [02:00:25] Speaker B: The undercards were pretty good, too. I thought it was leaps and bounds better than their initial foray with the Tyson, Jake, Jake Paul fight. The production was a lot better. The entrance from Crawford, you're right. A lot of wrestling influence. UFC influence. I kind of dig it, actually. It kind of had, like, a nice little zing to it. So, like, tko, are they gonna, like, foray a little bit more into boxing? Like, is this something happening here? Because Kellerman got some. He was talking to an audience in Vegas saying how, like, this is good for boxing. Like, they're gonna turn into more, like, a legitimate sport. NFL. And people were booing him, and even Canelo's like, what are you talking about? There's nothing bigger than boxing. It's like, well, boxing's big, but it's so mishandled. Like, that's the problem. Like, it's just all these, like, it's like the Mafia's still running it. [02:01:14] Speaker A: I'll say this. I thought it was a great show for boxing. I think Killerman said that after how, you know, tko, Dana White coming into this, because Dana White's getting more involved. Tko, it was good. And this was big for boxing. Kind of like a new jump start. Like, boxing needs it and boxing does. Rome, as you know, back when we were younger, I used to love watching boxing. We used to have all the big fights. You would come over, we would watch them, and then boxing kind of, you know, it gives us Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson. Like, that's. That's a great. Like, that's a great sprawling match that you can watch in the gym. You're just hanging out with your buddies. I. I don't want to watch it on a Netflix on a Friday or Saturday night now. Canelo Crawford. Yeah, I'll get up. I mean, I would have bought this one if it was on pay per view, I think, but I haven't bought a Boxing pay per view fight in, you know, probably eight, 10 years. So to Jason's point, like, Netflix having it was great. They put on legit fights on the undercard. It was a legit, really good night for boxing. And boxing needs fights like this where guys aren't just ducking people. You know, Canelo, he took the fight in. In eju. Give Crawford credit, too, because he's been on the sidelines calling for this fight, begging for this fight, telling the world, hey, if you give me the fight, I'll deliver. He did. And the fight itself delivered too. I mean, this wasn't like, hey, just two guys kind of going through the motions. Canelo, like Jason said, kind of like after the seventh round, he was like, hey, dude, I need to pit it on him. And when he came forward, like, Crawford, like, showed him those hands those first 12 minutes and, you know, was brushing them off to where Canelo was, like, getting frustrated, where he's like, if I don't. You know, if I don't catch this dude, I'm gonna lose. And like you said, Roman the Presser, I think Canelo, once he goes back, looks at the tape and goes through all the motions, he's gonna realize, and I think he does, that Crawford was the better man on that night. [02:03:02] Speaker B: He just couldn't figure it out too. [02:03:04] Speaker C: Yeah, I didn't. I didn't see the. The booing aspect of Kellerman and what you're talking about. But, yeah, to. To disagree with Aaron. To agree with Aaron on this. Like, yeah, there needs to be some sort of kind of organization of within boxing. Like, the titles. I think the titles they announced that Crawford won. He, like, won the Ring magazine. [02:03:24] Speaker A: It took an hour to announce all those belts. [02:03:26] Speaker C: Yeah, so I'm like. I'm like, man, people don't even know what these belts are, like, what they mean. So everyone's claiming to be a champion, like, and that's just like. That's the health about the sport. Like, you're questioning where, like, yeah, Canelo says the sport's healthy because, hey, he's probably the highest paid person in boxing, right? [02:03:40] Speaker A: So every time he. Yeah, what did Canelo get? 110 million for this fight or more. [02:03:46] Speaker B: I didn't even bother looking it up. But he makes bank. [02:03:49] Speaker A: I. I heard. I thought I read that Canelo's getting between 110 and 130 million. And only Crawford was only supposed to get, like, 10 million for this fight. That's how bad Crawford wanted this fight. [02:03:59] Speaker B: Wow. [02:04:00] Speaker C: If I did a quick search right now, 150 million. [02:04:05] Speaker B: Okay, nice. [02:04:07] Speaker C: Yeah, you're right. Received 10 million for the fight. Yeah, so that's. That's the insane part of boxing, where it's like. Yeah, you say boxing, Cali. Okay, cool. One guy, get the guy who lost cut, you know, 150 more in purse money for going into this overall event where. Yeah, Like, I don't think a lot of people like Crawford would actually take that fight. Like, dude, I'm not gonna. You. You get this, and I get that. Like, you know, this is. This is a headline because it's an undefeated boxer, but I think for what Dana White did with ufc, where, you know, he puts the biggest fighters against the biggest fighters and creates a different stuff, and it's. There's just a thing about boxing and maybe the legacy of boxing where all you got to be undefeated and all this type of stuff. And once you lose, like, you know, like, dude, who cares if you lose a couple fights? Like, are we putting on, like, the best. The best fights out there? Which boxing, like, to the casual fan, like, it doesn't happen. Like, Canelo can galvanize, like, the Mexican fan base and, you know, the pure boxers and stuff like that get this payday. But, like, you know, are you naming other boxers right now that are up and coming? Like, I didn't watch the undercard, but, like, you know, what's it surrounding some of these undercards to build, like, stars of the future? So we get more of these super fights so they're more regular. [02:05:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, boxing, like Jason said, I mean, it has. It has too many belts. You could argue it has too many weight divisions. Right, because you can go from, like, 140 to 147, 147 to 150 for 154 to 160, 160 to 168. And it's got all these divisions. You know, the UFC kind of keeps it simple. Like, we basically got five to seven divisions, one belt for each one, and there's no dodging guys. Right. The best fight, the best. If you get in the top five and you. You know, you can get a title shot. You. You got guys that are champions in the ufc, and they could have up to a dozen losses. You can get on a run, you can beat some guys in the top 10, you can do that. Boxing has always kind of been record, right? Oh, this guy's 300 with 26 knockouts. But who has he fought? Nobody. I mean, there was people when Crawford was coming out, that was the Big knock on him. I heard it's like, oh, yeah, he's 42 or no or whatever. But who has he beat? He's never beaten anybody. And that's, you know, everybody was like, if he loses this fight, he'll just go down as a guy that had a great record and never beat anybody. If he beats Canelo, then he goes down as one of the greatest all time. If you watch boxing and actually watch like all the different fighting forms, like, you have to appreciate just how good of a pure boxer Crawford is. He's one of the best I've seen and, you know, give Canelo credit for taking the fight. But I think Crawford strategically taking all the time off to bulk up the two weight classes was smart. If he had just got done it in like six months, I think he gets beat. But he took what, 18 months, two years, slowly let his body adjust and that, that was big for him. Whether or not he wants a rematch or not, I think he probably tends to lean towards more retirement. I mean, his legacy set, he's already set money wise. He lives in Omaha, Nebraska, next to your buddy Warren Buffett. He should, man, he's good, man. He's got a good life. He doesn't need this fight now. He just wanted it, he wanted it to prove a point that he is, I mean, one of the best fighters in the world and he is. [02:07:12] Speaker B: Well, it kind of reminds me of when Hopkins finally became a little more mainstream. It was towards the end of his career and then he kept on boxing, though, because now those paychecks started coming through. So I think that maybe this happens with, with, with Crawford, maybe strings a couple of times, then it goes off to the sunset. [02:07:28] Speaker A: He needs, yeah, he needs to get, instead of 10 million, he needs at least get 50 million for if he's going to do a rematch. [02:07:34] Speaker B: I think he'll get it because now everyone knows who he is and he looked great. One thing, I messaged every boxing fan that I know and Armand, who's been on the podcast, this guy's a Canelo hater, man. This guy was like, you can see his comments on Instagram. This guy's cussing everybody out. Just like I told you, his dog. Like, I thought about bringing him on, but one guy, Juan, who I respect, like, this guy has defended Canelo. How like, this guy's one of the better boxers in history. I like Canelo. I liked him, but he just never looked as dominant as what everyone else was saying. He was like his fan. Like, like his footwork's great. His hands, his power is awesome. But when he finally gave me the feedback, he's like, no, dude, like Crawford, like, he put on a clinic. All the Hispanic fans, they're pretty quiet about it, which means, like, they're. [02:08:23] Speaker A: I don't. [02:08:23] Speaker B: They're getting lots of respect. [02:08:24] Speaker A: I don't think there's not one person that watched that fight can say Canelo won. [02:08:29] Speaker B: Like, yeah, you'll be damned, dude. Because I was on the comments, and there's a lot of people saying, like, oh, you know, you could tell Crawford, it didn't really bother him because his body that way, and everyone's like, dude, like, did you see that? [02:08:41] Speaker A: I can't take you. I can't take you serious. If you think Canelo won that fight. Curious. Rome, you said you watch a lot of Canelo fights. I found it interesting that he was going to the body a lot, doing instead of going up top to the head. Is that typical of Canelo? Because I thought being the bigger man, stronger man, he would go more towards the head. I mean, Crawford had great defense, so maybe that's why he was working the body more, trying to get the hands to drop. I haven't seen a lot of Canelo fights, but, you know, I think he got outlanded, like, almost, you know, 30 to 40 more head shots Crawford landed than kind of Canelo did. [02:09:13] Speaker B: Yeah, he does a lot of body shots, man. [02:09:15] Speaker A: He. He. [02:09:15] Speaker B: He likes to get damage done, especially in the lift. [02:09:18] Speaker A: He does, like, that short, like that shot. [02:09:22] Speaker B: That's that sneaky trick. Like, he made it. Oh, yeah, but that's like the. Yeah, that was every boxer does when they're like. [02:09:27] Speaker A: That's why Crawford, like Jason said, was like, come on, bro, you're gonna pull that out, dude. [02:09:32] Speaker B: Yeah, everybody knew. [02:09:33] Speaker A: Luckily, that cut was. I mean, I didn't Was that big. [02:09:36] Speaker B: It wasn't bad because those cuts can. [02:09:38] Speaker A: Usually lead to the blood gets in your eye, then you can't see. You know, all of a sudden, these power shots start getting through. [02:09:45] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, my biggest knock on Canelo is I never think that he has, like, the best game plan, even for, like, lower fighters or, like, you know, fighters that are not as good as him or powerful as him. He's always relied on his power and his footwork. He hasn't really, I think, worked on the craft of boxing. And you could see it with Crawford. He was just great, pure boxer. [02:10:05] Speaker A: I'm also curious if you're in his corner. I mean, I thought. I'm sure you guys did, too. Like, after maybe round 10 going in 11, 12. Like, literally, sometimes you got to sit your fighter down and be like, hey, dude. Like, you got to get the knockout. Like, yeah. You either go for it and maybe get knocked out yourself, or do you just want to be standing on your feet and, you know, raise your hand even though you lost? I didn't see that sense of urgency. I mean, he was pressing, but I didn't see that since we're like, dude, I need the knockout to win based. [02:10:34] Speaker B: On pass by student. He has a lot of yes, Ben. Because I didn't get a chance to hear it because I was at a bar. One bar around here was charging $40 an entry to watch the fight. I'm like, what is this, Pay per view? I don't think so. [02:10:44] Speaker A: Cover charge? [02:10:45] Speaker B: Yeah. So I went to one bar, but they were closing early, so I got to watch, like, the undercard. And then me and Westbrook took the dog out, ran to a cool bar with some cute girls. We're like, all right, let's watch it here. They had the fight on, so I really couldn't catch it, but I feel like they let him down a bad path. Like, they did not tell him, like, he was down. Like, he needs to press more. It was a little too, little too late. But that's very common with Canelo. [02:11:09] Speaker C: I don't know if it's just Canelo, because I think, you know, in my limited watching, in certain boxing fights, I mean, these guys are just. I mean, Aaron, you'll see a little bit EFC fights, too, where, like, it gets down to that last round, and then, you know, it ends, and everyone throws their hands up like, yeah, yeah. And so, like, what's. What's. What's. What's the quarter? You know, people, are they being real with them or we just hyping up at the moment? Like, to your point, there's probably need to be one guy voice a reason, like, hey, man, you're down. This can't go to the card. You need to make a move in the next two rounds right now to. To end this if you want to win. [02:11:38] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, there's even in ufc, there's delusional corners where they're like, hey, you know, I think we're up. Even though I'm like, dude, like, you're down, right? You're losing using this fight. And then there's guys that'll be like, hey, dude, you got five minutes. Like, lay it on the line. Like, you gotta go for broke. Submission, knockout. Just do it. And I just Felt like Canelo, I mean, he's never probably been in that predicament. I mean, it's only his last fight he lost. I don't even remember. I mean, he lost to Mayweather, but did he lose another fight before then? I mean, he had two losses coming in, you know, a couple controversy victories that he won against Triple G. Many people thought Triple G won that first fight against him, so. But to your point, Rome, you know, Canelo hasn't finished. Lackluster guys. And I think Crawford kind of used that to advantage too. Like, hey, like, you know, does Canelo still have that urge to fight? Be making 150 million? He thinks maybe he can just bully me. Crawford, I think from a strategic standpoint and from a camp standpoint, took it a lot more personal than Canelo. That's why if they do get a rematch, I think it'd be interesting what. [02:12:42] Speaker B: I text you guys, man. I was getting Mr. T vibes from Rocky 3. Canelo just been collecting the checks, looking too comfortable. He's been just relying on the judges to get these victories. [02:12:52] Speaker C: Yeah, his last loss was just three years ago to Dimitri Bivel. So that was his second loss. [02:12:58] Speaker A: After the decision labs, was that a split or unanimous decision? [02:13:01] Speaker C: That was a unanimous decision. [02:13:03] Speaker A: Okay. Did they ever rematch? [02:13:07] Speaker C: It's a great point. Let me check. [02:13:10] Speaker A: I don't remember. I mean, I know, I know they mentioned during the broadcast that both Canelo and Crawford had never been knocked down. So neither guy. [02:13:19] Speaker C: Both of both of his losses, the one to Mayweather and then Bivel, both were by unanimous decision. But, yeah, no knockout. [02:13:24] Speaker A: And he never, he never got a rematch of the. I know he never rematched Mayweather, but. [02:13:30] Speaker C: Never rematched it because he fought Triple G again right after that. [02:13:33] Speaker A: Okay. I think he went 20 and 1 against Triple G. I think he had one draw because I think he has two draws on his record too, right, Canelo? Yeah, one against Triple G. I don't remember who the other one is. [02:13:46] Speaker C: Yeah, the first fight against Triple G was a lot. Was. Was the draw. I don't see another draw on his right. [02:13:56] Speaker A: Okay, maybe it's just a one. [02:13:58] Speaker C: No, you're right, it says six, three and two. [02:14:00] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. I thought I saw, I thought, I remember seeing when he came in, but crazy stuff. [02:14:09] Speaker C: Oh, it was very early. It was like his fifth professional fight in 06. [02:14:13] Speaker A: And I thought another thing that was really, really interesting because we talked about. They talked about Crawford being the older one, but I thought Crawford made a really good point, is. Yeah, I'm older, but I've only fought 200, what, 25, 250 boxing rounds compared to Canelo's 550. That's a lot more wear and tear on your body. Oh, and I think Crawford is like, hey, I'm younger and fresher in boxing years just because of the lack of, you know, fights and damage I've had done to me. And it showed. That's one reason. That's one reason why I like Crawford. I just thought he'd be sharper and quicker and the reach, four inch reach, man. I like speed and I like reach and fights. That's a big advantage. I look forward to. [02:14:56] Speaker B: Cool stuff. Any final thoughts? Do you guys hope for a rematch? [02:15:03] Speaker C: I think it'd be good, right, for boxing if there, if there was a rematch. But I mean, post fight didn't seem like. It seemed like Crawford was retiring and, and Canelo was moving on to the next kind of thing and whatever his series was. Because, yeah, as we, as we were just looking at not avenging his last loss, he went into another fight with Triple G and seems to have kind of a. A laid out plan of who he's gonna fight and what he's gonna fight. So. But yeah, I think for boxing it'd be great if there's a rematch because this boxing needs these big, big showdowns. You don't have like the UFC type thing where you get a card every other week, so you need these big prize fights. [02:15:41] Speaker A: Agree. I'd like to see a rematch, but I would probably lean towards 80%. Crawford retires. So. [02:15:51] Speaker B: Yeah, real quick, before we go, I just found out my nephew, he just became a wrestling fan, discovered the wwe. He's three. He's a John Cena guy. [02:16:03] Speaker A: Oh. [02:16:04] Speaker B: And I just broke the news to my sister that he's retiring. [02:16:09] Speaker C: Well, it's the best time to become a John Cena fan right now because he's only got like five more dates left from this. This upcoming Saturday at Russell Palooza in Indianapolis, the first, first big event on the ESPN Unlimited app. Gonna have a big show and you'll have John. I do not have it. I have ESPN plus, but apparently this isn't on it. Yeah, but John Cena versus Brock Lesnar, reuniting a, you know, a storied rivalry from the past. [02:16:39] Speaker A: So it's not on. Not on Peacock. On no access on Peacock or what? [02:16:43] Speaker C: Not on Peacock. ESPN Limited. Yeah. [02:16:45] Speaker B: Is there any wrestling events coming to the area anytime soon? [02:16:52] Speaker C: The biggest one coming to the area is going to be Survivor Series in November is at Petco down in San Diego. So that's the biggest one you ever. [02:17:04] Speaker A: You ever go to NXT shows, Jason Aaron? [02:17:07] Speaker C: I have gone to several NXT shows, including this. [02:17:10] Speaker A: I like NXT Now, I will say. [02:17:12] Speaker C: It'S not in the area, is not official, but NXT Halloween Havoc will be in Arizona near where my parents live a little bit before my birthday and so I think I might be able to take a trip out to Arizona to see NXT Halloween Havoc this next month. [02:17:30] Speaker A: Sounds like an old WCW pay per view, right? [02:17:32] Speaker C: It is. They took the WCW name. [02:17:34] Speaker B: I love it. [02:17:35] Speaker C: Yeah. So NXT show. Yes, I've been to several. I went to NXT NXT this last year, Stand and Deliver out in Vegas. I've been to NXT War Games at Staples center about, I don't know, six, seven years ago or something like that, so. And then the local NXT shows back in the day when they used to tour, saw one at the Hollywood Palladium and then also out here in Riverside too. [02:17:57] Speaker A: I saw the one in Riverside. We might have been in the same crowd, Jason, that night, I don't know. I was there in Riverside. [02:18:03] Speaker C: Could have been. They used to come to Riverside a lot, so. [02:18:06] Speaker A: But yeah, I will say the Riverside one I went to was probably year 2017 maybe. [02:18:14] Speaker C: Okay, I'll have to check the archives. I got. [02:18:17] Speaker A: I got 2017, 2018, one of those two years. [02:18:22] Speaker B: Well, if you see of anything in. In town, I. I think I want to surprise my, my nephew by taking him to one. It'll be my first one as well. And my daughter, she likes seeing the women wrestle, so. [02:18:33] Speaker C: Okay. [02:18:33] Speaker B: It'll be kind of cool to take the young ones. [02:18:35] Speaker C: I'll let you locally. But yeah, the next big event, I will say end of November in San Diego at Petco Park. They'll have Survivor Series there. So you'll have the War Games, which will be, you know, two rings, cage over the top of it, both a men's and a women's one historically. So a cool event to go to if you can make it there. [02:18:56] Speaker B: I'm gonna look into it. That sounds kind of fun. [02:18:59] Speaker C: I wanted John Cena's final matches, so he's only got a couple left. [02:19:03] Speaker B: Poor guy. Dude, it's gonna be bums. [02:19:05] Speaker A: He's only three, man. He'll be all right. [02:19:08] Speaker C: Yeah, it all lives on. It all lives on Peacock or Netflix or whatever to watch the. The hit the Historicals of John Cena. You know, I never dies. We just get the library. [02:19:16] Speaker B: They probably won't tell him they'll just let him watch the reruns. He has a few years before reality sets in. [02:19:22] Speaker A: Before he realizes it's scripted too right. He's like, oh, man, this stuff's so real right now. [02:19:26] Speaker B: All right, I'll do it. Source on the sofa. Check us out on the socials. We are out.