Episode Transcript
[00:00:03] Speaker A: Welcome to a special NBA edition of Sources from the Sofa podcast. We got Jason Aaron and myself, Rome. We're recording Wednesday night, the night after NFL trade deadline, the general election, all that.
I don't know if it's good stuff, all that stuff, but let's talk about NBA. We've been meaning to do this for a few weeks now, so we're going to kind of go over a little bit over unders for each individual team. We'll give like our take. We won't go into depth about, you know, all 30 NBA teams, but we'll do our best to hit all the big bullet points, trades, key acquisitions on certain teams. How does that change the makeup and I guess the chemistry on various teams. And since we're already what, two, three weeks in, 10% of the season is already done.
We're not gonna, you know, things already developing pretty fast.
[00:00:56] Speaker B: You know, we are not real late on college basketball. That just kicked off but tipped off Monday. So, you know, one game in there. So.
[00:01:03] Speaker A: Yeah, we could do a college preview basketball.
Not right now though. I'm not prepped on that one.
[00:01:09] Speaker C: I think I had a big one Friday. I think you Jayhawks, Tar Heels or something like on Friday there's a big game. It could be. So let's see.
[00:01:16] Speaker B: I mean, I know Gonzaga number eight ranked, started with Baylor number six and beat him by like 30 points to start the year. So I know, I don't, I don't know. That's a sign.
[00:01:26] Speaker C: Yeah, but Gonzaga do it in March though, man. Like I just, I. Every year someone's gonna sell me on Gonzaga. I'm gonna go to March Madness. I'm gonna put a bet down on Gonzaga and they're, they're gonna be out in the sweet 16.
[00:01:35] Speaker B: Well, hey, that's the safe bet. They've made what, nine straight sweet 16. So they're good for opening weekend. Outside of that, you know, hit and miss for sure.
[00:01:45] Speaker A: I did watch some women's college basketball.
[00:01:50] Speaker B: Yeah. North Carolina, Kansas, Friday night.
[00:01:52] Speaker A: They're just getting gorgeous, man. The basketball players. For women sports like Kansas, it's definitely going to raise the profile. Women's basketball in this, in this country.
[00:02:00] Speaker C: We're having two conversations.
[00:02:01] Speaker A: They're gorgeous. That's all right, Cameron.
[00:02:04] Speaker B: We went from Tar Hills to gorgeous.
[00:02:07] Speaker A: Women in the, some girl on, on South Carolina. She's just fine as man. I just want like a tall six foot five girlfriends. I don't know.
[00:02:17] Speaker B: Six, five.
[00:02:18] Speaker A: She's, she's beautiful. I'll send you guys a pic.
[00:02:23] Speaker C: This turned into A different pod than the NBA preview right now.
[00:02:26] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll see like women crushes in.
[00:02:29] Speaker B: That the Jason's non primary phone that, you know.
[00:02:37] Speaker A: All right, so NBA, let's delve into it.
We're coming off of Boston Celtics dominating NBA finals. We had the Summer Olympics, a pretty lit squad and Kerr didn't play Tatum all that much, which I think he pretty much. That was a big fuck you to the rest of the league because now they're on a tear. But let's start there though. Boston Celtics, they're the defending champs. They won 64 games last year. They're over under is 58 and a half. That was at least before the season started. We're already three weeks in. I'm not sure how much that line has changed, guys.
[00:03:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm not, I'm not sure if it's changed. I mean I personally Rome before the season started, I thought 58 and a half was low. I'd say they'd get the 60 wins again.
[00:03:27] Speaker A: You did say that. Yeah.
[00:03:29] Speaker B: I still see them getting there. They're 7 and 2 right now with a win in their next game. That's you know, eight out of 10 to start the year. 80%, obviously they're not going to probably go forward winning 80% of their games, but that, that definitely put them. They're on pace right now to hit the over.
[00:03:46] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean 64 wins last year. They were clear above the rest of the Eastern Conference. Pretty much, you know, walked all the way to the NBA Finals. I don't know if there's been a more dominant champion that no one really cares about outside of Boston. I mean they own the east last year, but we're, you know, everyone's talking about the Knicks and you know, what can Giannis do with the Bucks and you know, an up and coming Magic squad and the Pacers are kind of there. But the Celtics teams ran the east last year. Really no competition. That was serious. And then go all the way through the NBA Finals. And I don't think they're giving the respect, which is crazy for a franchise that, you know, basically, you know, I don't want to disrespect Rome's Lakers right now, but you know, the Celtics are pretty much, you know, the one A1B of like legacy franchises in the NBA. And you know, I don't even know if they're getting even their respect this year right now when they probably run away with the east again.
[00:04:45] Speaker A: Yeah. So I think we're all in agreement. They're going to go over 58. 58. Is that a lock for you guys? I think that's a pretty guaranteed lock, right?
[00:04:52] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I'm looking right now. They're Projected to hit 62 wins as of right now with this loss tonight. So like I said, 60 wins is where I had them at. I'd stay. I'd say they get that nice.
[00:05:07] Speaker A: They bring everybody back. So it's the same team. They're just running it back. Joe Missoula kind of got some flack from a lot of Celtics fans for kind of like being asleep. He was like the. He was like the sleep at the switch. Mitch. You know how I used to call Mitch cup. Check that, Aaron?
[00:05:24] Speaker B: Yeah, I remember.
[00:05:25] Speaker A: That's how Celtics fans were on Joe's case. But then that championship totally erased all that stuff. And now they're all on board now.
[00:05:32] Speaker C: You know, Joe Missoula was just thinking about watching the town, right? Every. Every before every game. He watches the town. That's the thing.
[00:05:39] Speaker A: Did he.
[00:05:40] Speaker C: That was a rumor. I think during the playoffs or something he had talked about where he watches the town every day. You know, really get that real Boston for In you before you.
[00:05:48] Speaker B: You should be breaking down game film. So sounds like somebody from Kyler Murray's past. You know, Game of Duty. Why watch game film? We can watch Game of Duty or other town.
[00:05:57] Speaker A: Call it Duty. Game of Duty, huh?
[00:06:00] Speaker C: Aaron, obviously a big gamer.
[00:06:02] Speaker A: Yeah, not dude.
[00:06:03] Speaker B: I. I used to be back in the day.
[00:06:05] Speaker A: I love the Town.
[00:06:06] Speaker B: Sounds a good movie.
[00:06:07] Speaker A: It's pretty good. Yeah, man. I'm just trying to pull up the divisions real quick because I don't want to like go over every team. But let's just do the east. Or should we do by us?
[00:06:21] Speaker B: Yeah, east and west, I think.
[00:06:23] Speaker A: East and west.
Yeah. So Cavaliers. Let's go with The Cavs next. They're 90 right now. Who would have saw that coming? Undefeated, looking pretty dominant.
They brought back most of their team as well. There was rumors that Mitchell might leave. He resigns. They got some. They got a new coach, new chemistry. They're vibing. And they won 48 games last year. Over under is the same. 48 and a half.
[00:06:53] Speaker B: Over, man.
[00:06:54] Speaker A: Over, over.
[00:06:55] Speaker B: I would have taken the over despite them being 9 and 0, but obviously it looks like a lock now since they're what, 20 there.
[00:07:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:05] Speaker C: I wonder if how much of that line is adjusted right now.
[00:07:09] Speaker A: Aaron, you got that line adjusted, though.
[00:07:12] Speaker B: I'd have to look see if I see if my site has updated lines or fanduel does, but it looks like they're projected to get about 56 wins right now. That's the new over. Under, pretty much about 56.
[00:07:30] Speaker A: That's amazing.
[00:07:30] Speaker C: Well, it would have been good three weeks ago to take the over. I don't know. But I don't know.
[00:07:35] Speaker A: Yeah, they signed everyone to extensions. They got Tristan Thompson, Evan Mobley's been balling Donna Mitchell and Jared Allen. So they should at least make the east kind of competitive there, huh?
[00:07:46] Speaker B: Maybe their biggest off season move was hiring Kenny Atkinson as coach. Yeah, he did a good job when he was at Brooklyn before. You know, he's. He'd been working with Kerr and the warriors for a while as the top assistant. Yeah, but that, that looks like a good hire right now for sure.
[00:08:01] Speaker A: Oh, I liked him on the nets. Right. That's what got Durant and everyone else signed over there because they liked the culture. Then they destroyed the culture and then they all bounce.
Gotta be careful what you wish for when you work with superstars, I guess.
[00:08:12] Speaker B: And interesting with the Cavs. Yeah, I know they've had some tight games early, but like the first five or six games they all won by double digits. I mean, they're blowing people out.
[00:08:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:21] Speaker B: So, I mean, it's not. They don't, they don't seem like a fluke right now.
[00:08:25] Speaker A: No, not at all. The Pacers. Pacers, I am trying to pull up their stuff right now. They won 47 games last year. Over under is just the same. At 46 and a half.
They had a pretty good run last year. There's like before the season started at least. People are wondering if this like a one off. Was it a flu? Kind of like how Atlanta had a deep run a couple years ago. They haven't captured that magic since then. Pacers basically kept their whole squad intact, but not a lot of love so far. And I know they kind of came out, they're coming out of the gate with like 500 ball. But who do you guys like?
[00:09:03] Speaker C: I mean, at 46 and a half, it's, you know, it's tight to what they did last year. If they're doing 47 wins, I guess now three weeks into the season. I think the plus side for them when you're looking interconference, intervision games with Milwaukee taking such a step back overall inside their division, the Bucks, the Bulls, the Pistons, not a very good team. Like there's a lot of winnable games for them right now. If the Bucks are potentially sellers or, you know, they just don't get it together. So I don't know if I go one way or the other on the over under, but I mean, they're probably going to be second in that division, finishing up at this point.
[00:09:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I'd stay away from a total on them. I mean, they, what they say for that? 46 and a half, 147. They seem like a team that can win 48, 50 games, maybe as low as 45. Right now they're on pace for 45 wins, so they're about where they're at. But like Jason said, that conference, that conference is weak. The Bucks are struggling. We know Pacers, like you said, Rome, they brought back the same players. They started slow last year, then got going. I want to say they've already lost two big men to torn Achilles to start the year. So there's lots of depth there, which is, you know, something they've had. They've always had great depth. They've always routed 12 deep last year. And that's kind of what they, you know, they beat the Knicks in the playoffs, wore them down with the eight, nine man death char.
[00:10:34] Speaker A: But the big addition was James Wiseman, and he was playing pretty good ball and then he had that weird tweak. Man, why is there so many Achilles injuries all of a sudden? It. It didn't. I feel like we didn't have this many like 10 years ago. And I'll start with Kobe. Ever since Kobe, it's been like this haunting curse now on every player.
Am I tripping or has it always been around Achilles injuries, man?
[00:10:59] Speaker C: Probably always been around. Same time, you know, these dudes are getting bigger, more athletic. You know, you're seeing, you know, anyone playing the four or the five right now, or three point shooters running up and down the court, you know, at 7ft tall versus, you know, our Vita Sabonis in the middle, you know, just backing dudes down, you know, not getting more than a couple inches off the ground. So just a different game and maybe different type of athlete could be causing that.
[00:11:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, could be, you know, more athletic, more stress, you know, with a vertical jump, you know, I never have to worry about that. Not a great vertical leap, Joker, you know, you ain't got to worry about him, you know, really spraining an ankle or anything like that. He just, you know, finger roll, put it up right there at the rim, score some points and go. But yeah, tough, tough loss for the Pacers and Wiseman, but he's, he's kind of had an up and down career. Never got going with the warriors. Then he got traded to what, Detroit. Now he's Indiana.
[00:12:00] Speaker A: For some of these, man. We can just, like, breeze by, too, if you like. So stay away for the Pacers on the win. Over, under for you, Jason. Are you going over, under?
Stay away.
[00:12:11] Speaker C: Are you making me or is just staying away?
[00:12:14] Speaker A: I'll stay away.
[00:12:15] Speaker C: Oh, you're making me. If you're making me, I'll take the over.
[00:12:19] Speaker A: You're doing the over?
[00:12:21] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll take the over if you're making me, Aaron.
[00:12:27] Speaker B: I'll say the over.
[00:12:29] Speaker A: Really?
[00:12:32] Speaker C: And I'll tell you, just because Tyrese Halliburton probably going to show up at the Royal Rumble in Indianapolis. Huge wrestling fan.
[00:12:37] Speaker A: That's. That's a big pressing fan.
[00:12:39] Speaker C: Yeah, huge, Huge wrestling fan. So, yeah, it's. That'll be the. That'll be the. Put them over the top, you know.
[00:12:45] Speaker A: Nets. The New Jersey. Jesus, not the New Jersey Nets.
[00:12:49] Speaker B: Brooklyn. Brooklyn.
[00:12:50] Speaker A: The Brooklyn Nets. 32 games last year, man, they were so close to winning a championship, theoretically, a few years ago. Right. Look at them over under 19 and a half. Brooklyn, man, they've had a lot of change over on that team.
They bought in Bogdanovich. I think that was a pretty good pickup from the Knicks. That's still, like, a weird trade.
And we could talk more about that because the Knicks aren't utilizing who they got in return, but they lost Lonnie Walker, Mikhail Bridges as well.
Ben Simmons. Where is Ben Simmons?
[00:13:25] Speaker B: He's still there. Isn't he still there?
[00:13:27] Speaker C: Yeah, Yeah. I just don't think he's.
[00:13:30] Speaker B: He's never.
[00:13:33] Speaker A: Yeah, he had like, some, like, more Instagram reels in the off season showing, like, don't doubt my game. I'm coming back stronger than ever. And then I think he.
[00:13:42] Speaker B: Those, like, clips from lsu.
I mean, I don't think he has any NBA clips.
[00:13:46] Speaker A: He's really good in his workouts. This guy kills on his workouts, Knocking down threes. I don't know who he's playing against.
Doing these weird dribbles, talking mad and then. Yeah, I don't know.
[00:13:59] Speaker B: Rome. Rome. You know, I can put together a good workout tape. Just put me in the corner. Put me in the corner. I can. I can drill 8, 9 out of 10.
[00:14:07] Speaker A: You probably could. We should actually do that just for fun. We'll do a three point shooting contest. You want to do that?
[00:14:12] Speaker B: Yeah, we can do it.
[00:14:14] Speaker C: I'm bringing up the rear, but, you know, willing to participate. Yeah, I need to face it on. That way I can just get the bank shot in you know, I need. I need to square back there. You don't get bank, you get a bank shot, you know?
[00:14:25] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm not really sure what to think about these nets. 19 wins, though. Doesn't seem like a lot.
[00:14:30] Speaker B: You gotta imagine they're 4 and 4 right now. Just saw the projected hit, 28 wins.
[00:14:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I was gonna.
[00:14:38] Speaker B: 19'S really low. Man, you got to be really bad to get 19.
[00:14:41] Speaker A: I don't think they're that bad. I think they're. They just have a lot of young talent. But I'm not sure why it was. It was set solo. 19 and a half over under on that one.
[00:14:52] Speaker C: Well, I think we're cheating at 19 and a half. Or if you're going to the 28. I think they're probably under the 28. I think the one thing to look at with this team, you know, they already made the trade you talked about with Bogdanovich, but in the transition or that is there is their assets. They're trying to move at some point. Yeah, during the season. I think Dennis Schroeder, some other guys in the team. I don't know, the expiring contracts ahead of you, but that could be one thing. Like, you know, they. They may be somewhat competitive here early on, but then they start moving pieces, you know, for draft picks and cap space, things like that.
[00:15:26] Speaker B: Yeah, they've always been known to be sellers. They got some pieces, cheap cap players that when, you know, teams will be looking to add, come play off time, you know, if. If they surprise and do they want to be sellers if they can still get into the 8, 9, 10 spot, to me, there's no point. Yeah, but. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, over 19 and a half to start the year, I would have taken it because that's just a low number.
28, like they're at now. They feel like a team that's going to win 25, 26 games. So I. I would lean towards under 28.
[00:16:00] Speaker A: You know what? Let's all this, you know, let's just like.
Let's just go to the playoff teams.
[00:16:07] Speaker B: Who.
[00:16:07] Speaker A: We think we're gonna go to the playoff teams. Let's look at their over, under. Let's talk about those guys, and then we can just like breeze through everybody else who's not going to the playoffs. Let's do that first.
So Nets are not going to playoffs? I don't think so.
Wizards, right?
[00:16:25] Speaker B: Correct.
[00:16:27] Speaker C: Probably the Raptors, Pistons.
[00:16:29] Speaker B: So five teams basically don't make the playoffs because we're counting the play in teams as playoffs. Right.
[00:16:34] Speaker A: Is that it now?
[00:16:35] Speaker B: That's it, man.
[00:16:37] Speaker A: It's getting soft.
[00:16:38] Speaker B: It's getting soft right now. The five teams in the east right now that are not in the playoffs or the Wizards, the Pistons, the Raptors, who I think we're all three in agreements are not going to make it regardless. But the last two right now would be a surprise to all of us is in the Sixers in the box.
I think we're probably all in agreements that they'll get into the top 10.
[00:16:58] Speaker C: Yeah, I'd agree on that. I mean my Chicago Bulls, you know, they're. They are perennial nine, they're 10th seed right there. So they could be making, they could be making a late push, but wouldn't be surprised if they're on the out in Miami. That's an interesting one to me because I, I don't know what the Jimmy Butler situation, this is the last year of his deal. He's on, I believe he's unrestricted free agent at the end of this year. They haven't got anything to put around him.
They've been swinging and missing on many of the big free agents to come down to Miami, Giannis being one of them. I know there's been a long hope they get Giannis and then fat chance.
But yeah, so I the Heat be something I'd be looking at too. I mean Pat Riley really not known to be the seller and this is always a thing, but they didn't look great last year and you know, I think the start this year. How many games does Jimmy Butler play and is the team good enough when he's not in the lineup to be able to get them wins?
[00:17:55] Speaker B: Yeah, Miami will still get in the top 10. I mean like Jason said, Bulls, our bulls, they're always 8, 9, 10. They're always good for a playing game and you run it down to the wire and get beat. That's what they're famous for now.
[00:18:09] Speaker C: Well, there's nothing, there's nothing the worst owner in sports, Jerry Reindorf can do but give you a team that has enough hope to get a home playoff game and then, you know, don't spend enough money to ever be competitive for a championship. So the Bulls, perennially the number one attendance team in the NBA where they haven't been relevant since 1998. So just so Reinzorf can grift off, you know, the city for a team with no hope. So yeah, the Bulls, they had a.
[00:18:38] Speaker A: Couple good years with Derek Rose and like those competitive teams.
[00:18:40] Speaker B: Yeah, the two teams I Would take out.
[00:18:42] Speaker A: Those are fun teams.
[00:18:43] Speaker C: It was, it was a good two years.
[00:18:46] Speaker A: I feel like it was like a good six years there, right? No, no, I just met top hundred Bulls.
[00:18:51] Speaker C: I'm on all of Chicago, man.
[00:18:54] Speaker B: Gotta be, man. Gotta be. Yeah. I would take out the Nets and I would lean towards the Hornets going out of there. The Magic, a team I like, but they just lost their best player for who knows how long. He just would have torn oblique muscle. So he's. He's supposed to be reevaluated in four to six weeks. They started strong. Now they've dropped like six in a row.
So. Yeah, Nets, Hornets, Magic, I think are teams that'll be on the outside looking in. And the Sixers and Bucks eventually will get in.
[00:19:22] Speaker A: Yeah. So no playoffs for Nats, Hornets, Magic.
Magic's a pretty decent team though.
[00:19:30] Speaker B: Yeah, they just lost their best player dude, for like six weeks and they've dropped six in a row. It's.
They'll be on the fence. They get in.
[00:19:39] Speaker A: Yeah, they resigned a whole bunch of their guys. They got KCP on there, but a.
[00:19:45] Speaker B: New coach, best player out. They're gonna be borderline to get in. Missing that guy for six weeks. He's a student. Yeah. He's an all star player.
[00:19:53] Speaker A: Well, that takes you to like Christmas. That's as long as they.
[00:19:58] Speaker B: I'm just saying they're one of the teams he's missing.
[00:20:00] Speaker C: The ist is what you're saying is.
[00:20:03] Speaker A: Ti to like added up right now. Yeah, he has such a crazy tournament. I'm really excited about it. Makes no sense to me still. I. I still think Magic are a playoff team.
I think they'll be okay. But Wizards? Yeah, they suck. They're over unders 20. Pistons, sir. Over unders 25. Hornets at 30 and a half. The Magic start the season at 47 and a half.
[00:20:29] Speaker B: That's going under now, probably.
[00:20:30] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, they're under now.
[00:20:33] Speaker A: Where they at now?
[00:20:37] Speaker B: Let's see, what are they projected now, like magic 42.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: Yeah, they won 47 games last year. They were really solid, but they, they were on pace.
[00:20:53] Speaker B: I mean, like I said, they started strong. They've lost five in a row. And it really just started when their guy went down.
[00:21:00] Speaker A: So they're kind of looking like a 50 win team, but yeah, possibly. All right, so we'll cross all those guys. Raptors are trash. They're over under was 29 and a half pistons.
Yeah, okay.
[00:21:14] Speaker B: I mean, I got. I gotta stick with the Hawks and the Bulls getting in that 8, 9, 10 spot. Because that's what they do every year. I'm not going to bump them off the line till I see otherwise.
[00:21:22] Speaker A: All right, let's talk about Chicago real quick. They won 39 games last year over unders at 27 and a half.
Chicago.
[00:21:29] Speaker C: Zach Levine's probably their best player, if that's what you're talking about.
[00:21:33] Speaker A: No, I was gonna talk about the boy, the ball. Ball boy.
[00:21:36] Speaker C: Oh, ball boy.
[00:21:38] Speaker A: Supposed to come back.
[00:21:39] Speaker B: Yeah, he did.
[00:21:40] Speaker A: And then he got hurt again. So there. Wrist injury, right wrist, where it. I guess it's a grade two, which means like, it's like a partial tear. You can play on it, but then it could become a full tear and then you're done for the season. Some like that. But they lost Caruso. They lost a Rosen. Caruso is now with the Thunder. Great pickup. DeMar DeRozan's now to the Kings.
Javonte Green took off to the Pelicans, and Andre Drummond is with the 76ers. And who would have seen him getting so many minutes now since Embiid has given so much to the city of Philly and he doesn't want to play back to backs allegedly making 47 million.
[00:22:18] Speaker C: I think you're going back if you're going back to the Bulls off here, if you take here right now. But Eric can disagree with me. I think if the Bulls are going to go over and get into their 8, 9 seed, I think it's. It won't be Alonzo ball getting it done. I really think it's going to be Kobe White for the person that's going to need to step up for the Bulls, you know, guy they drafted seventh overall in 2019, really just kind of been a bench role player. Didn't get a ton of starts for the last couple years, but last year he got the most out of it and basically had a career year so far this year he's averaging over 20 points a game. But I think he'd be the difference right now of what you. For a Bulls team that could potentially sneak into the end of these playoffs and, you know, maybe do something. But a lot of promise for that for Kobe, but he really hasn't come true in Chicago so far.
[00:23:13] Speaker A: I'm going to go under. I don't think they make the playoffs.
[00:23:18] Speaker B: Good. Yeah. I mean, there's always been talks for like the last two or three years of trading Zach Levine. He's always been rumored to the Lakers and then he gets hurt and then he's supposed to be reevaluated in a Month, and then it's two months and then he comes back and him and DeMar DeRozan, they get hot and they get into the playoffs and then they, they, they play the Heat culture and Jimmy Butler takes over and eliminates him in the playing game. That's, that's how it goes down there in Chicago.
[00:23:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Jason, since you're Aaron, aren't you a Bulls fan too, or.
[00:23:50] Speaker B: Yeah, Bulls, man.
[00:23:51] Speaker A: Allegedly.
[00:23:53] Speaker B: Want me go pull the Bulls jersey out right now? Yeah. Might have some cobwebs on it, but.
[00:23:57] Speaker A: I would like to see you plot the Bulls jersey.
[00:23:58] Speaker B: You've been pretty quiet. The next NBA one, I'll have it on.
[00:24:01] Speaker A: You're like the quietest Bulls fan I know. The only team a lot to talk about, man, the only team you're actually proud about is the Braves. Everybody else, you're kind of wishy washy.
[00:24:09] Speaker C: Well, we don't want to talk about Florida State, so.
[00:24:11] Speaker A: Oh, he's been quiet about Florida State.
[00:24:14] Speaker C: No, no, no, no. In his defense, he, he has been open about every team playing Florida State.
[00:24:19] Speaker B: That.
[00:24:19] Speaker C: This is the big tomorrow.
[00:24:22] Speaker B: Tomorrow. I've got, I've got a lock. I got a lock in that, that game this week. Yeah.
[00:24:27] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[00:24:28] Speaker B: It's my game of the year bet of the year, so. But you gotta wait till that for tomorrow.
[00:24:33] Speaker A: All right. Just for the Bull's sake. I think they go under on their win and they're out of the playoffs. You guys got over.
[00:24:40] Speaker B: Yes, over 27 and a half. They're on pace for 35 right now. They'll get over 27 and a half wins. I'm confident in that. Billy Donovan's good for 30.
[00:24:52] Speaker A: That's right. I forgot he's the coach there.
[00:24:56] Speaker B: He wins 30 games with the Bulls like he did with the Florida Gators. He's good for 30, bro.
[00:25:03] Speaker A: Let's briefly talk about. I kind of want to talk about 76s and Bucks last.
We already talked about the Heat. Knicks.
Yeah, let's talk about the Knicks.
Knicks were over under 54 and a half then they won 50 games last year. Pretty fun, exciting team. New York really loves this team. I think it's the first team they've loved in a long time.
Dolan, right.
Not a great reputation. But he's done what Jerry Jones hasn't done in Chicago or like these other owners had not been able to done. He stepped the away and gave the keys to other people that run it. I think he's been trying to do that. Just had bad luck yet. Phil Jackson falling asleep during practices and whatnot, et cetera, et cetera. Hired.
I thought Fisher did pretty good that one year he was there as coach. Then he just took off here, too. A lot of turmoil. Anyways, I'm really happy for New York. Pretty fun team. I'm not a Brunson guy, though. I don't know something about him, just. He's not my guy, but I. I'm a big Randall fan, so he's not there, but they're coming back with a vengeance, man. They. That's a team that they. They feel like they should be in the running for a championship.
What do you guys think?
[00:26:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, they made the trade for K. Towns giving up. Like you mentioned Randall, and then so, I mean, they're. They're over under 50, four and a half. You mentioned they're on pace for 50. I would take the under. Usually teams that are trading for new players, trying to get that chemistry going like you're seeing right now, take a little time to click and guys can get hurt and, you know, stuff like that, I. I would lean towards the under, but the Knicks, for sure, they're going to be a team if they stay healthy. You know, I. I believe we were talking about off air, possibly using Towns and draft picks as a possible lure to trade for Giannis and Milwaukee.
[00:26:55] Speaker A: You want to talk about that a little bit because.
[00:26:57] Speaker B: Yeah, we might as well.
[00:26:57] Speaker A: That just came out this week. So there's like some rumors going around with, like, the Bucks sucking mad dick, you know, all of a sudden, Giannis is not really happy his brother's on, even on the team anymore. Right? Isn't he somewhere else?
[00:27:10] Speaker B: I don't know. His brother just was always a cheerleader to me anyway, so I'm not sure.
[00:27:14] Speaker A: They got rid of which. Aaron, you were right, man. I'm a big Giannis fan, so I was rooting for the Bucks, but I thought Buden Holzer was not the guy. They fired him and you said it was a bad fire, and now looking back, it was a very bad fire. They should have kept him because last year was. Was a mess. They fired their coach, which I thought he was doing a decent job. This is his first year. They bring back Doc Rivers, which he was golfing in la, being on the ringer pod, enjoying life. He got enticed and. And has not looked good. Has not looked good, which I don't know why people think Doc Rivers will come and win a championship. He's only done that once in his career, and that's with the Celtics. That Was what, his first second year in the league as a coach or very early coach.
[00:27:58] Speaker B: He coached a while before that one in Orlando.
[00:28:00] Speaker A: Orlando.
[00:28:00] Speaker B: Another stop. I mean Doc Rivers, if we're comparing him to managers and baseball is kind of like the Dusty Baker over, like he wins, but he doesn't ever get over the top until you obviously Dusty got over the top and then retired basically the following year or two years after.
[00:28:16] Speaker A: Smart move actually.
[00:28:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean age difference, there's about whatever, 15 years probably gap between the two. But yeah, Doc Rivers is one. I mean he's good for 50, 55 wins, second round exit and you know, blowing three one series leads.
[00:28:31] Speaker A: Yeah, so why would they bring him in? Why would they bring him in?
[00:28:37] Speaker B: It was, it was a bad move.
[00:28:40] Speaker C: I think that's one of those.
I mean you brought up Dusty Baker, but I mean trying to think, I'm sure. I think what other coaches like the NHL's got a lot of these guys that just are always, are always around. They get jobs too. Like John, John Tortorella been like he's coached like everywhere.
[00:29:00] Speaker B: You just had the guy for The Florida Panthers, 28 years in the league, finally get, you know, the Stanley Cup.
[00:29:05] Speaker A: So NHL is kind of like soccer where they fire their coaches quickly. Man, there's a short leash in NHL and I love it.
[00:29:12] Speaker C: Oh 100. But then these guys just get retreaded every every which way. For the most part too. It's like, ah, well, you didn't work out over there. You know, it's different.
[00:29:20] Speaker A: It's the only league you can win a Stanley cup one year. Next year you're on a five game losing streak and you're fired. I'm like, dude, they just don't give a. Yeah, it is crazy.
[00:29:29] Speaker C: I, I would say, you know, you get into these, you know, professional sports is just like any business incorporation, man. Like there's some guys are just gonna have, you know, they got the communication skills, they got the networking, you know, they're able to just get in with these jobs. You know, I think the one thing about Doc, you know, he was on TV for a while and you know like.
[00:29:50] Speaker A: On tv?
[00:29:51] Speaker C: Yeah. I think because was it before Boston he was on tv because I think it was before, after the Magic, before Boston. I think he was on the A broadcast on espn, ABC at the time and stuff like that. And I think a lot of people liked him and just like JJ Reddit kind of right now too.
[00:30:05] Speaker A: Like he was good on tv.
[00:30:07] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, you wonder some of times like you know, these Owners or executives be watching these guys on tv.
[00:30:12] Speaker B: Like Steve Kerr, man. Look at Steve Kerr.
[00:30:14] Speaker A: Steve Kerr was good on tv. Yeah. He just broke down the film really well.
[00:30:17] Speaker C: These guys know what they're talking about.
[00:30:19] Speaker B: Collins. Doug Collins. Jason knows all about Doug Collins. He's great on tv.
[00:30:23] Speaker A: Wait, what's your opinion on Doug Collins? I want to know more about this.
[00:30:27] Speaker B: No, I'm just saying he was. Steve is good on tv.
[00:30:29] Speaker C: You know, it was. He got the ring with Jordan, you know.
[00:30:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:30:33] Speaker A: You know, Jordan got him fired.
[00:30:36] Speaker C: Yeah, but I don't. I.
I think Doc's gonna have that reputation. I don't. I don't know. If you guys watch the. The Bad Hulu show on the. On the Clippers.
[00:30:48] Speaker A: Actors look terrible. It looks bad, dude.
[00:30:51] Speaker C: I think. How bad is it, the show itself? I mean, it's telling a story, which. With Ramona Shelburne, I think is the one who did the reporting on. Which is. Which is fine. I think it's bad thing. But I think there is no. I think sports, like TV show or movie you can do where any sports fan is going to be acceptable about the people they put to be actors or athletes in the show. Like, the Aaron Hernandez thing came out, and literally, it's just. It's Twitter going wild, and the guy that's playing Gronk or the guy playing Belichick, and like, all these people are just too new in our lives right now. It's not gonna be like, hey, it's still too fresh.
[00:31:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:32] Speaker C: 50 years from now, when Rome's daughter's, you know, over here watching tv, and they. Something on one of these teams, like, yeah, they're gonna have no, like, rem, you know, knowledge or, you know, what some of these guys are at. But, like, when you do these super, like, recent current event stuff and you put these guys up there, like, yeah, the guy playing Chris Paul or Blake Griffin, you're like, this doesn't look anything like Blake Griffin. This guy cannot dribble like Chris Paul. It's just. It's bad. But, yeah, I think that whole show, though, like, get Lawrence Fisher playing Doc in that. In that particular thing, and, like, you could tell, like, there's communication skills with the owner and the way things. It was at least the way he's portrayed and the way he keeps lining up all these jobs, like, he. He's. He's got a particular set of skills that at least gets the team, you know, to a point.
[00:32:16] Speaker A: I just want to pause right there.
[00:32:18] Speaker B: Like I told you, Rome, like Doc Rivers from what I told. Has full control of the box organization. He's in the owner's ear. Whatever he wants, that's not a good sign. And that. That's what I've been told. That's what I've heard, that he has full control. Whatever he wants, whatever he needs, it will be done.
[00:32:36] Speaker A: Yeah. How do we get on this topic anyways? Oh, yeah, Bucks.
[00:32:40] Speaker B: We're talking about towns and draft picks and Milwaukee and.
[00:32:44] Speaker A: Yeah. And I'm distracted because it's like this other girl on SportsCenter. She's very beautiful right next to other F1 wife. She's gorgeous. Sports, you gotta. Sucks.
[00:32:52] Speaker B: You gotta have the TV off when doing the show. Rome, no multitasking, man.
[00:32:57] Speaker A: Just trying to get updates here, you know.
[00:32:59] Speaker B: Yeah, you're getting the wrong type of update.
[00:33:03] Speaker C: Yeah, well, I think we were talking about the Knicks.
[00:33:08] Speaker A: The one thing about the Bucks.
[00:33:10] Speaker C: No, we started with the Knicks. You're talking about the John is getting traded to the Knicks from the Bucks.
[00:33:15] Speaker A: But there we go. That's really funny to listen to.
[00:33:19] Speaker C: It would be. It would be an interesting move, I don't know, for Milwaukee. You're really just declaring like, I'm gonna be in a relevant franchise for a decade now. If you trade away the one superstar that's want to be there. But it'd be a coup for the Knicks if they get there.
You mentioned James Dolan. I think he gets a lot of flack for not putting the Knicks in the position to win and things like that. But he's the owner of the New York Rangers, too, as well, who are pretty much a perennial playoff team in hockey.
[00:33:50] Speaker A: So.
[00:33:50] Speaker C: Yeah, a lot of times when it comes into this, like, oh, he's a bad owner. I'm like, well, he puts a.
[00:33:54] Speaker B: Puts.
[00:33:55] Speaker C: He puts a pretty good hockey team out there that no one really talks about in the New York. You know, they, you know, went to the conference finals last year and lost to the Panthers. So back, you know. But back to this team with the Knicks. Like, you bring in Karl Anthony Towns. A lot of questions on him coming into it, but it seems like they've really embraced him. The city of New York so far. But adding Giannis, like, that's a team that. Okay, now there's expectations to compete and win the east beyond what there already is.
[00:34:21] Speaker A: The theory is because Kat doesn't seem like a New York guy. He has like a soft personality, even softer than Randle. And Randall was like a tough dude. They didn't like Randall in New York, but the theory is that they're going to use Cat as a piece to bring over Giannis. Yeah, that'd be crazy.
[00:34:36] Speaker B: I think Kevin fits Milwaukee.
[00:34:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I think he fits there nicely, too.
[00:34:39] Speaker B: And Giannis fits New York. Oh, and the Bucks don't have a first round draft pick till 2030. They're old.
[00:34:46] Speaker A: They're old.
[00:34:48] Speaker B: Which I honestly, I would make the move.
[00:34:51] Speaker A: Remember I talked about this. I think it was like last year, Aaron, obviously, before we had the show.
[00:34:55] Speaker B: But I think for two years you've been talking about. It's been a while.
[00:34:57] Speaker A: Low key. The Bucks are an old team and they're going to start slowing down. And that's what makes me nervous. Like the Bucks have to win fucking now and then every year.
[00:35:04] Speaker B: And they got older when they traded for Lillard.
[00:35:06] Speaker A: They have a great team. But then Jonas has been banged up by the time the playoffs come. They got swept or whatever happened against the Heat and the Knicks, whatever happened. And they missed their window. And I'm pretty sure Giannis is pretty pissed off now. He wants to win. And playing against an old Dame Dame time is up. Dame time is up.
[00:35:25] Speaker C: Well, you put. You know, is there a market for Dame now? If you're talking about blowing this thing up too. He wanted to go to Miami and that was the whole thing.
[00:35:32] Speaker A: I know Miami's done too.
[00:35:34] Speaker C: I think they're done. But like, this is the type of like aging superstar that they bring. That they bring aboard. You know, they were.
[00:35:41] Speaker B: Yeah, Kyle Lowry, he was like 38. And they brought him in and started them every game it seemed like who they bring in.
[00:35:47] Speaker C: Didn't they bring in someone from Charlotte last year that was older too? I forgot who they trained with the.
[00:35:53] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:35:53] Speaker B: They've always been bringing in the always old guys, but are productive. They always, you know, the lefty.
[00:35:59] Speaker C: Was it Terry? They brought in Terry last year, right? Terry Roger.
[00:36:03] Speaker B: Yeah. And he got hurt. Remember he got hurt.
[00:36:06] Speaker C: I almost said Jason Terry, but that was going back to me and Aaron playing Fantasy Basketball in 2000.
[00:36:11] Speaker B: I love, I love JT, man. Jason Terry.
[00:36:14] Speaker A: I played one year with you guys, right?
[00:36:16] Speaker B: You might have. Who knows?
[00:36:20] Speaker A: So, yeah, Knicks, man, big overhaul in the off season. Lots of additions. Mikhail Bridges, Cameron Payne.
[00:36:26] Speaker B: Villanova, you man, Villanova, you know.
[00:36:29] Speaker A: But then they ship out other homeboy.
Lots of departures. They pretty much like remade like half the squad. So over under 50, going under.
[00:36:41] Speaker B: Just too many, too many changes. Chemistry is going to take time.
I would lean under.
[00:36:46] Speaker A: I don't think they're good as. I don't think they're Gonna be as good defensively because they lost Randall and Cat's. Not Cat.
[00:36:55] Speaker B: I mean, Cat brings more size in length. I mean, Cat's a big dude. I mean, Randall's. Randall's really what, 6, 7, 6, 8? He's kind of like, not much bigger than Barkley. Yeah, K town's legit, about 7 foot, I think he's listed 611. And he's long. He's got long, but he just.
He does so many stupid fouls. He's not good on the perimeter playing defense, and he just. He makes stupid plays and stupid fouls. That's always been his kind of his downfall. I think it's why Minnesota moved off of him because they already had to go bear down there. And, you know, Joker was kind of lining him up, getting him in foul trouble. He's falling out every one of those games in the playoffs.
[00:37:33] Speaker A: So you got under Jason. Who do you got on the Knicks?
[00:37:36] Speaker C: I go under too. I just think you speak to Aaron talking about the chemistry aspect of the thing, and huge. It's. Cat's a different player compared to what they have. And it's weird with New York. This is the biggest.
Biggest market in the world, and they get the glitz and glamour of New York City. But from a basketball perspective, you know, the fans are invested in this grind, this team of grinders and stuff like that. I don't know if Cat fits that mold for what this team brought together.
[00:38:08] Speaker A: Let's do Heat next.
They. They're over, under 44 and a half, and I'm trying to pull up how many games that they win last year.
[00:38:20] Speaker B: You have 46. 46.
[00:38:22] Speaker A: So slight dip. They kind of just seem like a 500 team.
They did resign. Bam. Adebayo, really good summer with Team usa.
Brian's back. Kevin Love. I forgot. Kevin loves on that team.
[00:38:41] Speaker B: Caleb's still there, huh?
[00:38:42] Speaker A: He. I think he's like an unofficial player coach there.
They lost some guys. Patty Mills is gone. Caleb Martin's gone.
[00:38:50] Speaker B: Caleb Martin, he's with the Sixers now.
[00:38:53] Speaker A: Yeah, I saw big pickup on the Sixers. Sixers actually had a really good off season.
I just don't like the diva attitude over there. But, yeah, 46. They lost some talent. They brought some guys back, but nothing else. And as you mentioned, Jason, is this the last year for.
[00:39:13] Speaker C: Jimmy Butler?
[00:39:14] Speaker A: Yeah, here. Jimmy Butler.
Yeah, Camp with normal hair, no craziness.
[00:39:21] Speaker C: He's always gonna have. Trying to send a message. And apparently his message is like, hey, I'm business, I'm doing. I'm Doing the regular stuff this year. Trade me. I don't. I don't know. It's an interesting, interesting fit. You know, Jimmy Butler, the Bulls just let walk basically in the trade with Levine. You know, when you had a superstar in your hands, it was a combustible element when he was in Minnesota, which is I think really established Cat's reputation. Going back to our previous conversation.
[00:39:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:49] Speaker C: Goes to Philly might have been the best fit.
[00:39:53] Speaker A: He was. That was great.
[00:39:54] Speaker C: That probably should have been. They'd done anything to keep them, but I forgot who did they sign.
Yeah.
Yes.
[00:40:05] Speaker B: Very similar players. But yeah, Butler. Yeah.
Butler was his best fit and best years was in Philly.
[00:40:12] Speaker A: Yeah, he's pretty good on the Heat.
[00:40:14] Speaker C: He's been great in the Heat. I mean, he's gone to. What is it, two NBA Finals they've been to in loss. So. But the expectation was. Is like, you know, they get to these and they, they, they were there, but never felt like they were 18 that was going to win the title. Like it was like, hey, just the Celtics underperformed or the Bucks under form.
[00:40:33] Speaker B: They were the ape seed both times. I believe.
[00:40:38] Speaker A: They were like the San Francisco Giants right in the early 2000s. They just got their wild card team. They got hot at the right time and then Jimmy Butler just looked like Michael Jordan for six weeks. You know, it was. It's pretty wild.
[00:40:49] Speaker C: Yeah. So I. It's just if Jimmy's not playing a full load now you're putting it on Tyler Hero and bam. Defensively, you know, not going to give you a ton of points, but he's going to give you the blocks and the rebounds down there.
The Heat would be a team. Are you looking to add and then what will they give up? They wouldn't pull the trigger to get Dame. I think, you know, at the time Portland was asking for more. Then I think they were just giving up Tyler Hero for straight up and the. They wanted more. I don't know what they have to give up that Milwaukee would take. And then are you trying to Giannis and then Durant's always been linked to the Heat as well too. I don't even know if he's on the block for the Suns right now too. So are you. Are they gonna try to make a move for Durant? But I don't know. Superstar names always swirl the heat, but since LeBron and Bosch went there, they really haven't had any luck getting this stuff. It's been more about the guys they developed on their own.
[00:41:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Do you guys got I think they're just about like that. A 44 win team. It's. It's hard to go over. Under for me.
[00:42:00] Speaker B: Yeah, they feel like a 500 team to me.
[00:42:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:42:04] Speaker B: Under what? 44 and a half, I think.
[00:42:07] Speaker A: What is it out. What is it now, Aaron?
[00:42:09] Speaker B: Let's see.
42 right now.
[00:42:13] Speaker A: 42, that sounds about right.
[00:42:16] Speaker B: Well, yeah, 42 and 40. Yeah.
[00:42:20] Speaker C: Playoffs.
[00:42:21] Speaker A: Playoffs, yeah.
[00:42:22] Speaker C: I think in the east, 500 gets you in.
[00:42:27] Speaker B: Yeah. 39, 38, 39, 40 is kind of the magic number in the East.
[00:42:34] Speaker A: So are you over or under 44 and a half?
[00:42:38] Speaker B: I lean under.
[00:42:40] Speaker A: Lean on.
[00:42:40] Speaker B: I mean, I wouldn't. I wouldn't bet it, but I would take the under.
[00:42:43] Speaker A: I wouldn't bet either.
[00:42:44] Speaker B: I mean, the. The ones I would bet, like I said earlier, would be Boston. Yeah. Give me your locks.
In the East.
[00:42:52] Speaker A: No. Well, I'll. I'll put it lock in for Boston.
[00:42:55] Speaker B: Put a lock in for Boston.
I mean, they're at 19 and a half. Brooklyn will go over 19 and a half wins. Oh, they will, yeah.
[00:43:10] Speaker A: Cleveland over 48 and a half.
[00:43:13] Speaker B: New York under 54 and a half.
[00:43:20] Speaker A: That's a lock.
[00:43:21] Speaker B: Yes.
Also in the East, I would say.
[00:43:27] Speaker A: Let's talk Hawks.
[00:43:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I was looking at them right now. I'd put bucks under 50 and a half right now for sure. I believe that would be a lock too.
[00:43:38] Speaker A: Under.
[00:43:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm going under on that. I'm not really feeling good about that team right now.
[00:43:44] Speaker B: I mean, even if they get hot, probably 46 to 48 win team.
[00:43:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Let's talk Bucks real quick then, since we just talked about it. Over. Under was 50 and a half, Jason.
So me and Aaron got that under. Let's see what kind of under as well.
[00:44:00] Speaker B: I mean, they won 49 games last year, so I'm surprised they actually got him on the over considering their team is older.
[00:44:07] Speaker A: They lost Beasley going the distance.
[00:44:10] Speaker B: Below 500 records since Doc took over mid last year.
[00:44:13] Speaker A: Below 500 record?
[00:44:14] Speaker B: Yeah. By what, 10 games?
[00:44:17] Speaker A: It's a lot.
[00:44:18] Speaker B: Yeah, That's a significant number.
[00:44:20] Speaker A: They lost Patrick Beverly, who I thought was pretty good on that team last year. He kind of brought like some dog fight in it without him, I don't think.
[00:44:25] Speaker B: Where's Patrick Beverly at now?
[00:44:27] Speaker A: He signed with the team in Tel Aviv, I believe.
[00:44:30] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:44:31] Speaker A: Yeah. He took his talents overseas, which is kind of ironic.
[00:44:38] Speaker B: What's the odds on him coming back? I say he comes back this year in the NBA. Guarantee, I'll say I'll be back. I'm gonna pick him up.
[00:44:45] Speaker A: Bucks did pick up Terry on Prince.
No. Gary Trent Jr.
[00:44:50] Speaker B: The Lakers got rid of your ass. You don't want. You don't want any scraps from them. Would you say Gary Trent Jr. Yeah, I do like him. He was part of.
He was in Portland for some time. I think he got moved from Portland to somewhere else. I just don't remember. Maybe Toronto, Toronto. They got him from Toronto. I think last year was in Toronto.
[00:45:09] Speaker A: Yeah, he is in Toronto.
[00:45:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I like it.
[00:45:13] Speaker A: All right, so under for them playoffs? Yeah.
[00:45:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Not confident, but yeah, they'll make the top 10.
[00:45:26] Speaker C: It's like everything after the four seat is like, yeah, they might be the playing team.
[00:45:31] Speaker A: I know.
All right, let's go. Atlanta Hawks next.
Lots of changeover on this team. They lost Dejounte Murray, who got traded to the Pelicans. A.J. griffin took off.
Was trade to the Rockets.
Sadiq Bay took off. He had some like solid numbers off the bench or, you know, starting, whatever the hell happened. But they did pick up Cody Zeller from the Pelicans in that trade, as well as Larry Nance Jr. Dyson Daniels, which I don't know too much about.
I don't know much about this team.
[00:46:09] Speaker C: I mean, all you got to know is what Aaron told you before. They're destined for the 89 matchup with the Bulls and the playing.
[00:46:16] Speaker A: They were in the Eastern Conference finals two years ago and they're over under 36 and a half.
What did they win last year? They won 36 games. A lot of these over unders are just right where they.
[00:46:30] Speaker B: Well, that's what they are.
[00:46:31] Speaker A: I mean, what people won last year. So, yeah, not heavy favorites either way. Going over and under. It's.
I don't know what to think about this team at all.
I'm gonna say over.
[00:46:45] Speaker B: Over, huh? 36.
[00:46:47] Speaker A: They feel like more like a 41 team to me.
[00:46:52] Speaker C: I mean, the. The positives for them with Orlando, you know, losing Paulo for extended period of time. A pretty bad Washington, a pretty bad Washington team. A pretty bad Charlotte team. And you know, a Miami team that's gonna mail in the regular season, like Atlantic, that. That's a pretty weak division. You know, you don't talk about divisions much in basketball, but like, that's a pretty big week of teams that they're going to be playing on a regular basis. So, yeah, Trey Young is it. You know, that first or second year with the Knicks and that whole series and everything like that. But since then hasn't been much.
[00:47:32] Speaker B: What's Trey Young's contract status there.
That's a good point because he's always rumored to be getting traded. But you know, obviously Atlanta's traded Murray like you mentioned to San Antonio because they basically are the same player.
[00:47:47] Speaker A: Yeah, Tray, that's pretty interesting because obviously famously traded.
Yeah. With the Dallas. They just practically switched those. And he's been like money since he came into the league, but he hasn't really taken like that next step. But deli off the dribble three.
[00:48:05] Speaker C: He's in definitely third year of a five million or a five year 250 million dollar contract. So year three of five.
[00:48:14] Speaker A: Yeah. These guys are getting paid way too much, man.
[00:48:16] Speaker C: It's gonna be even more soon.
[00:48:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:19] Speaker C: With a new TV deal kicks in.
[00:48:21] Speaker B: It'S just you're gonna start seeing 80 million dollar contracts.
[00:48:24] Speaker A: It's ridiculous, dude. Yeah. If you're getting paid that much, man. Play every game, huh?
[00:48:30] Speaker B: They did in the 90s, man.
[00:48:32] Speaker A: They did in the 90s. I missed that. Now I miss it.
Kobe had a broken hand shot left handed for two weeks. No one does anymore. I miss it. LeBron barely gets wind blown on his ass and this guy flops over for a flake flag prowl.
[00:48:48] Speaker C: But that's just. That's just basketball.
[00:48:53] Speaker B: I'd clean it up. I told you I would clean that up, man.
[00:48:56] Speaker A: You clean every sport.
[00:48:57] Speaker B: Erase guys and suspending them.
[00:49:00] Speaker C: You can be called traveling anymore in basketball.
[00:49:04] Speaker B: Doesn't exist. Does not exist.
[00:49:06] Speaker A: It's really bad sometimes. Who the. Someone had a six step go bear.
[00:49:13] Speaker B: Went from like the three point line.
[00:49:14] Speaker A: No one called it. I'm just like what the hell is happening in our.
[00:49:18] Speaker C: In our questionably below average WNBA finals coverage.
You know, me watching the last five minutes of that one game. Every person was yelling about a travel on that like final play for. I think it was for Sabrina Nescu or. No, it was. It was Brianna Stewart. They're calling for a travel. I was like. I was like, I haven't heard anyone call for a travel. We're going to talk about in the finals of a WM game. We're going be referencing travel.
[00:49:42] Speaker A: Yeah. No waba. They're definitely getting that NBA treatment now. So congrats. So over under guys hawks.
[00:49:51] Speaker B: Was it 36 and a half.
[00:49:53] Speaker A: 36 and a half. I got him at 40, at least 42 ends I think.
[00:49:58] Speaker C: Yeah, I'd put him at the over for around to be around the 41,4500 mark.
[00:50:04] Speaker A: I'm like falling short of a lock.
[00:50:08] Speaker B: I would lean under with them.
[00:50:09] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:50:14] Speaker B: They feel like about a 34 to 36 win team.
[00:50:18] Speaker A: Interesting, interesting. That leaves us with the 76ers, right? Yeah, 76ers over. Under is 50 and a half.
They won.
Good thing I got this document up for 47. 47? 47.
So it's kind of interesting. They have like a. As good of an off season as the team could have with Paul Georgia being added.
Yeah, I don't know how to feel about Paul George.
They had a lot of changeover as well. They lost Batum. Is that how you pronounce his last name?
Nicholas Batum. A team?
[00:51:00] Speaker B: Yeah. What team did he go to now?
[00:51:01] Speaker A: He went to the Clippers.
[00:51:02] Speaker B: He went back to the Clippers?
[00:51:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Mo Bamba as well. So like the Clippers and 76ers now they're calling it like the Clippers of the east because basically Harden was there. Harden was second round exit Buddy Hill got traded obviously to the fucking warriors, which are great for the Warriors. It not like they need any help, but this guy's been lighting it up. Cameron Payne, he's on the Knicks now, but they resign Embiid. Kyle Lowry, which I guess like that veteran presence off the bench. KJ Martin, Kelly Obra Jr came back on a two year deal which I think is nice. But they added Drummond, who's been solid since Embiid, hasn't played yet. Paul George obviously on a four year deal. Eric Gordon, which. How much does he have left in the tank? Don't know. Jackson, Caleb.
[00:51:56] Speaker B: Not much.
[00:51:57] Speaker A: Yeah, so. But you know you got like a nice mix of like young talent, veteran presence and a couple of superstars, which granted Joel Embiid and Paul George is like as fragile as superstars as you can ask for to lead your franchise to hopefully a championship. Great coaching hire. And Nick Nurse, right. This is year two for him to kind of establish what the hell is going on.
[00:52:20] Speaker B: Yeah. So over under 50 wins, they lost again tonight. That pits them one and six. One in six right now.
[00:52:30] Speaker A: Yeah, they haven't had their two guys.
[00:52:33] Speaker B: But you think second game back tonight. How do you do, you know, limited minutes.
18 points in 23 minutes. So he's. He's obviously on a minutes restriction right now.
[00:52:43] Speaker A: Jason.
[00:52:46] Speaker C: Man, just at 1 and 6, not gonna play back to backs.
I mean how many games this guy gonna play at this point? You know, I'm just like.
[00:52:58] Speaker A: And remember he's did enough for Philly, you know, he's done enough for the city for them to treat him like.
[00:53:03] Speaker B: Guessing you haven't even brought in the altercation he had with the journalist reporter here, what, a few days back that suspended him for three games, which. Yeah, he doesn't mind.
[00:53:13] Speaker A: Yeah, it counts when he comes back. So they're just going to activate him so he serves a suspension. Smart man.
[00:53:19] Speaker C: I don't know how much thing has changed at fit you said it's 50 and a half. They started. They're one and six already. Seven games through the season.
[00:53:27] Speaker A: I. I think this team is very capable of going like a nice little run, nice little 20 and three, you know, stretch. Right. It's totally possible. In the NBA you see it all the time.
[00:53:36] Speaker C: They could.
[00:53:36] Speaker A: Lakers, I mean Lakers do it every year with LeBron. They like suck for three months and they turn it on in the second half like crazy. And all of a sudden it's like, oh, could this team contend for a championship? And then we get suckered into this every year. As you can tell, I'm a really bitter Lakers fan right now.
[00:53:52] Speaker C: I mean, what are we saying that this over under is right now? It started at 15 and a half, but what's it down here now?
[00:53:56] Speaker A: What's it now, Aaron the gambling guy? Gambling God. Maybe that should be your nickname. The gambling God.
[00:54:04] Speaker B: 48. Yeah.
[00:54:06] Speaker A: They seem like a 46. 48 tent. Yeah. Oh, no.
[00:54:12] Speaker C: I would go the under still at this point.
[00:54:15] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:54:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I would definitely on the under. I mean, Paul George, let's just be real. We know he's going to get hurt and miss some time.
[00:54:26] Speaker A: He has to miss his, what usual 20 games a year.
[00:54:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean he's already. This is. He's missed five games to start this year, so he's good for at least another A minimum 10.
[00:54:37] Speaker A: A minimum 10? Yeah, indeed.
[00:54:39] Speaker B: When he comes back, whether or not he's not gonna play back to backs, he'll probably miss a week or two just because of back spasms or knee or whatever excuse he comes up with next.
Yeah, you gotta take the Underman. I mean Maxi. I love. I love Maxi the guard. He's one of five players I saw today averaging 30 plus points a game. Really nice player. But yeah, under, under 50.
[00:55:03] Speaker A: Under 50.
See anything else we got to cover?
That's it. Who's the real contenders coming out of the East? Who do we got in the Eastern Conference finals? Any predictions?
[00:55:23] Speaker C: Tough to.
[00:55:23] Speaker A: I think, I think Boston's a guaranteed lock.
[00:55:26] Speaker C: I think Boston's the lock. And like, you know, is it.
[00:55:30] Speaker A: Are they serious to repeat?
[00:55:33] Speaker C: I. I would assume out of the east, at least getting to the finals.
I don't think it's the matchup last year that everybody wanted them to have. But am I misremembering it? Was the Knicks in the. In the conference finals last year, right?
[00:55:49] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:55:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:55:50] Speaker B: No. Pacers. Pacer.
[00:55:52] Speaker C: Celtics.
[00:55:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Pacers. Yeah.
[00:55:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Pacers beat the Knicks in seven, right? Or. Yeah, seven games. Six. Six games. Whatever it was. Yeah.
[00:56:00] Speaker C: If you would. I'll be honest here. If you would ask me at the beginning of the season, I would have said Celtics, Knicks.
Okay, but I'm gonna. But I. But if you're asking me right now, you have a nine zero, Cleveland team that's really gelling. I don't know how you don't go. Celtics, Cavs, right now.
[00:56:18] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:56:21] Speaker B: If you were to ask. Yeah, if you. Yeah, I would agree. Celtics, Cavs. Now, if you were to ask me two and a half weeks ago, I would have probably leaned towards Celtics, Knicks, or even Celtics Bucks. But Boston. Boston will come out of the East.
[00:56:37] Speaker C: See, we don't even need to bring a basketball expert. That's a Celtics homer on the pod. We're all just going to pick the Celtics anyways.
[00:56:45] Speaker A: He would have been gloating about it. I'm going to say it's Boston against the Philadelphia 76ers in the Eastern Conference finals. All right. Celtics 76ers. I can't believe we actually talked about the Eastern Conference for this long. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back with Western Conference.
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