Episode Transcript
[00:00:05] Speaker A: Welcome to Sources from the Sofa Podcast. We got the full lineup tonight. Myself, Rome, we got Jason as well as Aaron Hollywood Toler, who killed it this weekend for college football. Four out of six upsets, which was pretty miraculous. It was awesome. It was a good weekend. It was a good weekend of football. Close games, lots of upsets. The morning games for the NFL were phenomenal, as well as the Sunday night game.
Monday night. We're recording on Monday night, so this will air on Tuesday. I don't.
It was an ugly game. It was uneventful. It was terrible. Did not see the Rams coming out. That's flat.
But much props to Dolphins, I guess. I don't know.
[00:00:51] Speaker B: Yeah, big one for the Dolphins. Like you mentioned, Rome, Rams just came out flat.
Left a lot on the table given the fact that the 49ers Cardinals won this week. Seattle bye week. Rams kind of can stay even with those teams. Stay a game above.500 with a victory, unable to really get anything going offensively. Over two in the red zone, five field goals. They make a field goal, get penalized on it for a false start, move back five yards, he ends up missing it wide right and, you know, six possessions they really should have scored points on. And none of them touchdowns, turnovers, too.
Just really. The Rams kind of, you know, beat themselves, but give Miami a lot of credit. They kept fighting and Tua finally got a win back in his third start.
[00:01:36] Speaker A: Yeah, Rams definitely just couldn't put it in. You know, they were teasing us, trying to put the ball in the end zone, but they just couldn't get it done. Man, they got stopped on third base every single time. Pretty crazy.
[00:01:51] Speaker C: Crazy. But I think you really buried the lead here, Rome. If Aaron Toler puts you on upset alert, you better start reevaluating your game plans on a Saturday for college football coaches across America, because I don't know if anyone's calling 4 out of 6 upsets I was going through all day Saturday as college finals were going on. Did. Did Aaron call this upset? Ole Miss, Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech just one after another. Man, you got to be scared if Aaron puts you on upset alert.
[00:02:21] Speaker B: I'm trying to find a definitely in Virginia Tech, you know, got off to a 7.0league. Texas Tech 130 early second quarter for Colorado. They just couldn't sustain it. But yeah, four to six outright dogs winning, starting with Rome's UCLA on Friday.
[00:02:38] Speaker A: Dude, I.
[00:02:39] Speaker B: They didn't listen. They didn't listen.
[00:02:41] Speaker A: Game.
We're a really good four wind team. Like this is a solid team right Here. I know, Jason, you're just stuck on the record, man. But it's like it's a really tough UCLA Bruin team looking really good in that baby blue. Desean Foster wearing all that all black UCLA jacket. They came out playing tough.
[00:02:59] Speaker C: We're back.
[00:03:00] Speaker A: I don't know. We're doing something.
[00:03:01] Speaker C: First impressions mean everything to me. So your first impression this year is UCLA struggling in Hawaii.
That's never going to get out of my head for UCLA the rest of the year. I'm going to be biased on that.
[00:03:13] Speaker A: People can't grow, people can't evolve.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: Why is grown too? They took UNLV to the wire, got stopped on a two point conversion, I believe to lose that game. 29, 27. Hawaii's gotten better too, but yeah, I mean UCLA. I told him I put UCLA on upset alert when we were in Vegas for Hawaii. He was a little nervous. He was scared going in that game.
[00:03:35] Speaker A: You did? Yeah, you kind of gave me the. All right, let's just. Yeah. Let's briefly talk about your upsets then. So you got the UCLA upset.
Gt as well.
[00:03:45] Speaker B: Gt as well. You know, Jason's been calling for Mario Crystal ball for him to have that letdown game. We knew it was coming.
[00:03:54] Speaker A: They should have three losses already.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:56] Speaker A: I mean out of there, three losses.
[00:03:58] Speaker B: I mean Miami's very similar to the Kansas City Chiefs that they seem like they're going to lose games, but when unfortunately that luck run out against the mighty GT Yellow Jackets.
[00:04:08] Speaker A: Yeah. So yeah, they finally got stung. You called.
Actually you could just go over them real quick, Aaron. And you're pretty close on the Notre Dame, Florida State game as well. Off.
[00:04:19] Speaker B: I'll get. I'll get into that one.
Let me go over the offsets.
Kansas. You, you mentioned Kansas. I said they were going to beat Iowa State. Kansas is the best. You talked about UCLA being the best 41 team. Kansas was the best two win team coming in this weekend.
I like Kansas a lot. Despite.
Despite being 2 and 6. I knew they're gonna upset Iowa State.
Texas Tech didn't get it done. Like we mentioned, 13, 0 lead early. Mississippi, I got them better than Texas. Many people won't, but I think Mississippi's better than Texas. I know Rome will disagree with that. I was not surprised. The upset. Georgia, I like that one coming in.
And what other upsets do we have?
[00:05:04] Speaker A: Yeah, ucla, Kansas, gt Texas Tech, Ole Miss.
[00:05:09] Speaker B: Yeah, we hit Ole Miss. We did lose Virginia Tech against Clemson.
[00:05:12] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:05:13] Speaker B: And we lost Texas Tech.
[00:05:16] Speaker A: Yeah, the Red Raiders.
[00:05:18] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know why you're giving him all this praise for his Notre Dame call out though. All right. He clearly, you know, said, what was it, it'd be 50 to 10. And he was so off with Notre Dame winning 52 to 3 or whatever it was.
[00:05:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, Florida State was getting ready to go in for a touchdown, but they wanted, they want in order to even get that 50 burger. So a big six there towards the end got him over the top. Yeah, I think, I think I did mention that was the bet of the year. Notre Dame -25.
[00:05:47] Speaker A: They barely missed that, right? Well, they got up by 23 and a half.
[00:05:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I was what, 21 3. I thought they would be covering by halftime, but it was pretty darn close.
[00:05:56] Speaker A: Close.
[00:05:56] Speaker B: I said the over 42 and a half was a lot because Notre Dame would get that themselves, which they did.
[00:06:01] Speaker A: That was a hell of a lock. Dude. Did you watch the game?
[00:06:03] Speaker B: I did watch all of it.
[00:06:05] Speaker A: You did?
[00:06:05] Speaker B: I had it on far to the right and every time I looked up, I just seen Florida State either punting or getting sacked. And yeah, I, I watched that one.
[00:06:17] Speaker A: That's crazy, man.
[00:06:18] Speaker C: I'll be honest, they had me worried in the first quarter because Notre Dame came out swinging and it was seven nothing. And then all of a sudden it was at seven three, they're at a point and we're through the first quarter. I'm like, I don't know, man. I was like, this, this might be tight right now. I'm getting a little nervous.
[00:06:33] Speaker B: I was, I was getting ready to pull the jinx and be text you guys. Be like, jason, this is the best Florida State has looked since week one against Georgia Tech. And then all of a sudden it just went all downhill. I'm like, thank God I didn't send that text because this is what I thought was going to happen.
[00:06:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I didn't watch the game, but I was keeping track of the score. And you're right, the first quarter was close. I'm like, oh man.
[00:06:53] Speaker B: Even NBC announcers were like, wow, this Florida State team is looking really good. They don't look like the 134th ranked offense in the league.
[00:07:01] Speaker A: And then, and then, and then that was it. It was like, who, who did I jinx? Was it.
[00:07:09] Speaker B: This is past Cincinnati Bengals.
[00:07:14] Speaker A: Oh, man, I was so pissed about that one. Yeah, I, I don't like shooting out text like that. I don't like pre talking unless I'm really confident. I was like, I don't know about this one. But that was a fun weekend. All right, cool. Let's get started with the NFL. Lots of close games, man. They're all pretty exciting. Ravens over the Bengals.
35, 34. That was wild. You had Sunday night Lions versus Texans. Five interceptions from golf, which you haven't seen ever. And I don't think there's been, like, too many games where, like, you've had five interceptions and you can still win the game. 26, 23. That field goal as time expired barely squeezed in like you felt like it, like, grazed the yellow paint. It was so close.
Chiefs or the Broncos? I was so happy to see the Broncos. You know, they played really well in that game. Manhandled the. The Chiefs, and of course, a blocked field goal as time expired. Like, whatever juju is going on over there, I just don't get it. And they win another game. It's like it just never ends. Man, I was just so defeated. Maybe not as defeat as other fans.
[00:08:24] Speaker C: But that's the jinx. You can't call. You're. You're calling for this jinx every week.
[00:08:29] Speaker A: I am. I am. It's not working. I'm gonna, like, stop going against the Chiefs. Maybe. Maybe I should do the opposite, you know?
[00:08:34] Speaker B: This is the week. Buffalo. They Chiefs own Buffalo, man. So you got to take the Chiefs, right? Rome.
[00:08:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:40] Speaker B: Got him.
[00:08:41] Speaker A: Psychology Steelers over the Commanders. That was a good game. That was close. I was kind of upset, actually, with Wilson. I don't like some of his throws. He held the ball a little too long, but man, pulled out the victory. That was another field goal as well as time expired, right?
28, 27.
[00:09:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Now you had the late TD to Mike Williams, of all people.
[00:09:09] Speaker A: Oh, dude, that was nice.
He extend the play. That was beautiful, man.
[00:09:13] Speaker B: You had the fourth down stop of Zach Ertz missing that first down by literally six inches, maybe a foot.
[00:09:22] Speaker A: Yeah, it was. It was. It was definitely inches. Yeah, those. Close call, man. That was great. So lots of close games.
I think finally let's do, like biggest losses, right? I kind of want to start off there. Jets losing to the Cardinals. They came out flat. They didn't even come out to fly. They landed their jets. They left him in New York or wherever the hell they're at. Didn't even show up. Cardinals manhandled them back to back victories. Really convincing victories from the Cards. And now they're favored by, I think odds are 54% to win the west, which is wild. I'm not counting out the 49ers yet. They inched out with the win as well. Did we mention that over the Bucks. So jets biggest loss. We can finally cross them off our growing list of teams.
Bengals, that was a tough loss. Man, they're so good. Jamar Chase, Joe Burrow, I think they combined for what, 800 yards in the air and they're two games against the Ravens and still come up with W's. Like they just can't stop anybody and give Lamar Jackson props. Like this guy I know Josh Allen might be my favorite. I think he's like quarterback one for me in the league, but it might be Lamar Jackson, then Josh Allen, Mahomes, however you want to rate it. But let's start from there.
[00:10:46] Speaker C: Yeah, I think we talked about this game on the Thursday pod, I think as we recording. But it the Bengals are interesting kind of where they're at. I mean they, between Burrow and Chase, they pretty much ended a lot of fantasy matchups I think right out of the gate on Thursday for how prolific they were offensively, for how the bottom of this AFC is turning out to be right now. I mean the Bengals still have a chance to get into the playoffs and potentially being a team that nobody's really going to want to see or play because when they start dialing up things offensively, you know, that's a scary team in the playoffs. And now, you know, the jets obviously have faltered. I think Aaron and I wrote them off a couple weeks ago. I'm quitting for remembering. It's always been Aaron Rodgers in this ray of hope, but after this week they're officially done.
But then, you know, you look at the rest of the, the divisions right now, what they're, I mean, the bills at 8 and 2 and then after that they got the 3 and 6 dolphins AFC North. Above the Bengals, you have the Steelers and Ravens both at seven and three. You got a Texans team at six and four and a Chiefs team nine and oh, and Chargers at six to three. There's still a playoff spot there in the bottom for a team that's now under.500. So there's a lot of destiny. Destiny in a lot of these teams hands. You know, specifically potentially the Bengals being that team. The Dolphins may be throwing their hat in the mix here right now with, with this win here today. So the bottom of the NFC or I'm sorry, the AFC is very interesting for the seventh seed because teams that are 3 and 6, 4 and 6 right now, you know, have their own have it in front of them to get into the playoffs.
[00:12:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it's possible we could see a 9 and 8 team on the AFC side.
And I, And I think that was it earlier in the season.
Aaron, did you. And any big losses that kind of stuck out in your mind from this past week?
[00:12:40] Speaker B: And there's, there's a, there's a ton of losses that stood out this week. Man. You guys mentioned the Bengals. Yeah, that was a big loss.
[00:12:47] Speaker A: Big loss.
[00:12:47] Speaker B: Huge game Sunday night against the LA Chargers coming up. Bengals must win for them. You know, talking about, you know, Chargers look like they're locked in right now at that six seed. They're not going to win that division. So they know they're going to go through the wild card, but how far up they move, that's a big question. Bengals are the big loss. The Jets. Yeah, they're done. Officially. Get rid of them. Throw them off your table. Broncos talking about a team at that seventh spot with that loss. They dropped a five and five. Could have went to six and four of that win, had that game in the bag. Pretty much in the lead the whole game against Kansas City, easy field goal typically, which basically same distance is an extra point that gets blocked.
[00:13:31] Speaker A: Let's talk about that real game real quick, though, because I didn't like how they were saving for the last field goal. I'm like, why don't we just still try to get a touchdown here? Like, like, haven't we seen enough of these missed field goals? Or like these pressure moments, like not going for two. Why not still try to get a touchdown? Like, Bo Nicks was throwing the ball pretty decent that day.
[00:13:49] Speaker B: I just don't think they had the time. I didn't really watch much of that game.
[00:13:51] Speaker A: Oh, they ran a timeout the last five minutes. Well, I mean, it was.
[00:13:54] Speaker B: The whole model is right. You don't want Mahomes to have the ball last. He beats everybody. So I, I like the game plan that they did. I mean, they converted a couple third downs on that drive, got in the field goal range. I mean, how many block field goals have we had this year?
[00:14:10] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:14:11] Speaker B: Two, three. Just a handful. I mean, what's the last field goal? I mean, I think the Chiefs might be the last team going back two years ago against the Tennessee Titans to block a field go at the end of the game to win back when Tannehill and the Titans were relevant. We're going to go back that far in the bag.
[00:14:27] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, it seems on the surface when you talk about milk in the clock, you talk about it's not the right thing to do. But when you think the overall probability of the success rate of kickers in the NFL right now, I mean, pretty much once the balls past midfield, these guys are pretty much in field goal range in for two thirds of the league. So, you know, something that's a chip shot like that is that probably of what, a 99 clip like. So you're playing with the percentages, and if you continue to be somewhat aggressive, you're really potentially taking that probability down, if you're going by the math of things. So I get what you're saying, Rome, but I think overall, you don't want Mahomes to have the ball back, you know, even though he hasn't looked great offensively all year, but there's always some magic, you know, out of nowhere, somewhere that he can find. So it's probably the right move right now when, you know, you know, we bleed this thing down, know we get to a reasonable. Should have been a chip shot. The odds of that getting blocked or missed are very minuscule. Where you think that wins in the bag.
[00:15:26] Speaker A: Yeah. What other losses, guys?
[00:15:29] Speaker B: For me, I'm looking at. Like I said, I had a lot on the list. Atlanta Falcons, that's a bad loss against New Orleans.
Allen's gone. And all of a sudden New Orleans looks good. That. That was a good coaching fire.
[00:15:42] Speaker A: I did ask on Thursday, like, what's the record of, you know, when. When you fire a coach, teams feel alive. Right. The next time. I think.
[00:15:48] Speaker B: I think I told you New Orleans was a sneaky team to win. I mean, that just makes the jets firing a Robert Salah just look so much more stupid. That team has gotten so much worse. There were one game out, like Jason and I had mentioned going into that Monday night game against Buffalo. I think they would have beat Buffalo. Salah had been on the sideline. That game came down to the wire.
[00:16:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:08] Speaker B: Now you're three and seven and you know, Aaron Rogers is. You can watch, you know, the final month and a half of him playing, his career will be over.
[00:16:15] Speaker A: It looks like so crazy. So it was good that the Falcons lost, though, because I've been like a big fan of the Bucks. Baker Mayfield a big fan of his. The Bucks are a good team. Tough loss, but that kind of helped them at least stay relevant. And not out of the playoff pitcher yet because they're on a pretty bad losing streak right now. But they stayed in there. They probably should have beat the Niners.
[00:16:43] Speaker C: I don't know if you guys got early up for the London game. I will say I watched this entire game, bad loss for the Giants.
I mean, it was a terrible game. We send our finest games overseas between two, two and seven teams at the time. But, you know, three weeks ago, four weeks ago, Rome was trying to sell us Aaron on Daniel Jones is good or this Giants team is good. And now we're sitting there, we're both.
[00:17:09] Speaker A: Saying that they might be better than what we thought. And then shortly after, two weeks after, we're like, you know, we're done. We're done. We're not gonna do it.
[00:17:17] Speaker B: I mean, Danny Dimes got himself a new nickname, Danny Euros. So he might as well just left him over there because he's not worth the exchange rate that he's getting paid for. Sure. In New York.
[00:17:28] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, to me, that's a bad loss for what this Giants team should be doing against a Panthers team that basically didn't have any wide receivers. They had feeling on the il. They traded away two other guys. They had three rookies at wide receivers. Bryce Young, his second start since coming back from. From the benching. He looked pretty solid in the first half as far as distributing the ball over there. We talk about all the time. These overseas games tend to see. Not to see a lot of offense, but should have been a game the Giants should want. And now you're sitting here at 2 and 8. You know, they're lined up to potentially get the first overall pick at this point. So now, you know, I. I saw all over TV today or already talking about which of these teams for Shador Sanders and potentially Deion going, so you got the Giants, maybe in the mix. You got the Cowboys, which to me is more likely if you're going to talk about a Deion Shador team up in the NFL. But most definitely, I thought that was a pretty bad loss, but I think the Panthers are definitely showing something, you know, this year for a team that doesn't have a ton of talent, they're really young, but they're getting. They're getting better and they're fighting in some of these games and making the most of it.
[00:18:35] Speaker A: That's kind of good. I didn't really think of that as like a crazy big loss. You know, their scene's already done, but I can totally see it where you're coming from.
Good thing, though, I think I was talking to Aaron about this. Giants have an opportunity to get away from Danny Dimes after this year, because I think after this, like, that contract's basically voidable. So I think they're looking forward to that big loss. Man, I guess it's unavoidable.
[00:19:06] Speaker C: I didn't want to bring it up.
[00:19:06] Speaker A: We'll do a, we'll do like not like a 30 minute segment, but we'll briefly talk. I mentioned that, you know, this is a game that I was going to stay away, but the Pats came to play 19 to 3 over Jason's Chicago Bears, but they came out playing like Cubs because they didn't show up.
A couple things from that game because I was watching it.
So everyone's already jumping on like the bandwagon for the Patriots new quarterback Drake May. I'm kind of in favor of that as well, but we were on, you know, Mac Jones balls as well a couple years ago, so who knows, you know, just a little too early to tell. But one thing from the game that I noticed, Chicago just didn't look like they had much offensive game plan at all throughout the whole thing. Their O line is terrible.
Caleb looked like he just kind of, he's overthinking things, held onto the ball a lot. He got sacked what, eight or nine times. It's kind of. He had that same issue with USC this past year and kind of seems like he second guessed himself. Didn't look really happy on the sidelines. And I don't know, man. Obviously I, I sent Jason a whole bunch of meme clips on Instagram.
The Bears fans are loud now. They are loud and they're like fire evil flus. Fire everyone. Take away the game playing from their oc which might happen. I don't know. I thought we're gonna get some news today, but nothing has has been announced yet. So some changes are going to be coming to the Bears, but looked like that Hail Mary was like the Hail Mary of death a couple weeks ago from, from the commanders and they have not looked the same since the bye week.
[00:20:48] Speaker C: No, not even close since the bye week.
You know, last three weeks they're last in points per game, yards per play, third down, conversion, number of sacks, completion percentage, first downs in a game, all last offensively. So for the Patriots, like, say what you want about Drake May, it was a solid game, but they put up 19 points. So the Bears have the. The Arizona game was the only game that the defense pretty much gave up more than 21 points. And so the defense has done their part all year and that's what, that's the positive you can say for the Eberfluce era right now, at least this year, is the defense is good, but the offense is regressed and it's not even Close. And you mentioned the game plan offensively in the scheme. I talked about this with Shane Waldron, you know, early on in the year and then it got a little better. But even more so, like there is no concept schematically of what's going on in this offense. It feels just like when I was 13 years old playing Madden and I'm just calling random place, like I am just going through and just picking a play. There's nothing that is translating, you know, down to down. It's setting things up in the future. Like there's none of that. And I think you saw a lot of experts, you know, I saw, you know, Dan Orlosky on ESPN and other people talking about like, yeah, there's no plan or scheme to go offensively. And that's what Bears fans are picking up. And the culture of the Chicago Bears is to ruin. Offensive players.
Quarterbacks, they've ruined. Wide receivers, they have ruined. And what was supposed to be different out of this era was that, hey, for the first time we're getting a consensus number one overall pick and the general manager, for the first time in their history, hey, did his job to surround himself or just around the quarterback with all the tools necessary, you know, weapons offensively from a skill player perspective. But the question surrounding it and Rome, you put Eber Fluss, I think in your, in your hot seat at a certain point, I can't remember at what point this year, but even the warnings at the beginning of the year, as much as we were, me specifically probably with a blind eye excited about this season, there was always that risk of their doing the cycle we talked about of having a lame duck head coach with this quarterback and an offensive coordinator that questionably was, you know, being brought in by a lame duck head coach. The offensive coordinator from last year for the Bears, Luke Getzy, has already been fired by the Raiders.
[00:23:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:23] Speaker C: And so now you bring in another guy who's the offense is technically worse than it was last year with walls.
[00:23:30] Speaker A: More weapons, with more weapons and weapons.
[00:23:33] Speaker C: And I'm glad you brought up about Caleb because I didn't watch every Caleb Williams USC game. But the one game that sticks out my mouth that I watched was the Notre Dame USC game and his probably worst college performance, which was the game that has been my mind as a Bears fan that I watched like, man, that that was rough. That was not a guy that I thought would be the first overall quarterback. And at that point, hey, wasn't excited. But in that game, in that whole time at usc, he's trying to do too much. And now he's doing that again here where it's trying to do enough or knows he's not gonna get anything. You mentioned the offensive line.
Both tackles were out.
I think Tevin Jenkins got hurt in the middle of the game. So four out of the five offensive linemen were backups. Okay, that's a problem. But you get all weak to know that, hey, your two tackles are out. What are you going to do with it? Well, they ran a bunch of the ball a bunch outside.
That's what, that's what I saw in that game. So apparently that was a weakness for the Patriots. But it's also where your weakness is because you have your backup tackles. We're not running up the middle. We're not switching things out. The wide receivers look like they give up at this point when they're going out there. So I don't think Caleb's blameless in the entire conversation. There's definitely throws that he.
[00:24:49] Speaker B: Even the ambulance knows. They come get the Bears, man.
Like right now.
[00:24:53] Speaker C: I'm gonna get me.
So at this point. Yeah, you mentioned and, and, and the Bears embarrass themselves all day today too. You mentioned the change. The change never came. They were waiting for the. The Chicago media was waiting for it all day. You had Eber FL giving a terrible interview on a local radio station. It was his phone cut out three times. And you know the host had a pretty good jab in there about his phone serve. His offense is worse than his phone service was dropping. I think you had Jalen Johnson, you had DJ Moore doing their local radio hits that were not inspiring. It is also the team's loss and they're going to go up against the hardest schedule in the second half. They could literally potentially lose out. If I'm going to be, you know, only dramatic about it and the Bears have no one to blame for themselves. And it's an organizational route where I think organizationally they're a failure. And I'm hoping for Caleb's sake because I do think he is the best that the Bears have ever drafted. They can't fail him and they need to be make sure that decisions are made here going forward. Where we're setting him up for success this season is probably loss. But you got to do something internally that is whether replacing Waldron, if there's somebody on staff that can be better from a schematic and a play calling ability. But Eber Fluss was kept on because of his leadership during tough times. Well, it's been all tough times in three years. So I need someone who's going to be good when there's some good times around.
[00:26:16] Speaker A: Yeah, well, supposedly he still has like a pretty good, you know, connection with a big portion of the roster. So, you know, obviously the defense is really good, but the O line sucks, I think.
Yeah, you know what, we're just beating a dead horse now. They should have changed the coach, but this is definitely a structural thing for Chicago because are they still going to.
[00:26:40] Speaker B: Change out the coach? Because obviously last week they said that was safe. This year going into next year as.
[00:26:47] Speaker A: Well, I don't know. But one thing they do need, they definitely need to address the oc. That's an Iberfoo's problem, right? Him not addressing a sooner, especially in the by. By week. That's the Eberflu's problem. You guys mentioned them coming out flat in the Hail Mary. That's enough to fire him. But all these other issues, combination of Eberfluze and the GM there and then. Plus now there's stories someone did an article that they don't want to hire a coach with like too big of an aura because they don't want it to be bigger than the Bears brand name. And that's kind of like if you don't want to hire like the best available, even if they have a big brand because you're afraid of it overshadowing the Chicago Bears brand.
That sounds kind of fishy to me. So for, for Jason's sake, because I did, you know, root for, you know, I'm rooting for the Bears when they have a really cool jersey, you know, cool colors. I was rooting for them when Cutler was on the team, when the league was on tv. It was a fun time. They got so close. For their sake, I hope they just clean house and just start all over and put the bright pieces to develop. Caleb, because he's still raw. He showed a lot of these issues in college and he's a prototypical quarterback. He was big, lean, strong arm. He's fast, he's mobile, he's smart. He's not an idiot. He's just, he's overthinking now. And now he looks like he's like, you know, freezing mid game on a lot of these drives. Aaron, you have anything to add to that?
[00:28:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you know, Jason said, I mean, this offense hasn't done anything to make anything simple for Caleb. No easy plays. I know me and Jason have talked about it back early in the year when they kept trying to run these outside zone Outside tackles, like running between your guards and tackles. That was what the strength of the Bears team was where they were getting some good runs going there when they're on that three game winning streak. But yeah, I mean they need to make a change at oc. Shane Roldridge not working out right now. They need to spark something going.
[00:28:33] Speaker A: They should have fired him two weeks ago.
[00:28:35] Speaker B: Caleb, like Jason mentioned the Notre Dame game, he was playing improv, trying to do too much. I think he threw like three, four picks in that game. Got sacked a lot. You know, every time I looked up, The Bears were third and 16, third and 15, never any short, third and two where they could do a play action, they could do a run. You know, they're not throwing the ball to the tight end. You know, they're not getting no deep balls going right now. The offense is a mess there in Chicago. You know watching football this weekend, watching Florida State, I thought that was the worst offense in all football. And I saw the Bears play on Sunday and I said that's even worse.
Like that might be my only shot.
[00:29:13] Speaker A: To get cold blooded. Man, you cold blooded.
[00:29:16] Speaker C: You take all the shots because they deserve it. I mean you literally had, you had shots outside Soldier Field of fans leaving in like the third quarter like masses amount of people walking out and the, you know, they're shocked. They were booing the offense in the first quarter. Well, you've done nothing. And the offense is worse than it was a year ago against Justin Fields. And you meant the accountability for the offensive coordinator. That's Eber Fluss is hired. He hired Jet Ski last year and he hired Waldron when there was other options out there. There was Kingsbury that was out there that had ties to Williams. You had Kubiak out there who we praised early on in the season. So there were other options. But lame duck coach who's going to want to join, join him. And then you mentioned the Bears ownership. Like yes, they're going to overthink this and they're going to consult somebody that doesn't know what they're talking about because they brought in like over the hill football decision makers to help out before and the uber floose. I brought this up last week, but it's overhead like Eber Fluss was a finalist before the GM was hired. They narrowed the search down to three people and then polls. The GM was hired and then say hey, these are the three you get to pick for from. So it wasn't even the, the broad shirts, the broad search. They were to say who who's going to lead this team going forward. So I still have outside hope for polls but overall, like they gotta allow him to make the move and this be his hire and figure out who he's gonna pair with. Caleb Williams. Because this is what you've invested and now you've wasted a year.
[00:30:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:41] Speaker C: Which was the fear all along. And you have to bring the right hiring for head coach. And if they. I don't even want to know what happens if they don't fire Eber Fluss. I don't even want to know because if that came with truth because he's got a five year contract or whatever stuff they're trying to pump in the media like he cannot come back. He looks lost. You said he may have some ties in the locker room. Maybe it's the defense. I don't know what it is because it's definitely not the team as a whole because it is not a cohesive unit. When you hear these guys talk.
[00:31:11] Speaker A: It might be his beard man. I don't know. He looks a little more believable with that beer. I think it's saving his job right now. So that's probably the best move he did.
[00:31:18] Speaker C: I will be, I will be the first to say the beard man is a changed guy. Man. He's got an aura around him. He's got thing. But I had a friend of mine doesn't watch the Bears as closely and as I do. And I watched the, I watched the Hard Knocks and he said he tuned into one episode of Hard Knocks and said this guy's not a leader. Jay. You just tell. He's just not. He's like, he's like I don't watch anything Bears. I don't want him. I watch one of Hard Knocks. This is, this is. This guy's not a head coach. He's not a leader. And there's not much I can, you know, dispute on that account. And you know, this is. They. They had Harbaugh in waiting. Former Bears quarterback last year in Michigan could have went there. You see what he's doing with the Chargers Now. I've long said, you know, Ben Johnson needs to be the choice. But there were options last year for the Bears. They chose to take the status quo and now they're paying for that. And it could be a detrimental point to the franchise if they don't make a move and make the right higher in the off season.
[00:32:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
Any last things you want to add or is it okay we move on guys?
[00:32:19] Speaker C: I'm sure they'll lose again. Next week and we can talk about it again. So it's. It's packers week, so it's coming off.
[00:32:26] Speaker B: By coming off a buy of the Packers.
[00:32:28] Speaker C: Yeah. So.
[00:32:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Yes. We covered big losses, big wins.
We kind of briefly talked in the beginning, though. Lions over the Texans. I believe that was my super bowl preview pick. Right.
[00:32:43] Speaker B: Maybe go back.
[00:32:44] Speaker A: It was kind of an ugly game, but five interceptions and they still come back to win. This Lions team is really good, but on the broadcast they showed this stat. I think it's pretty alarming. I'm not sure. I know. I. I know. I know they made a trade to shore up that defensive side, but without Hutchinson, they just don't have the same success, the same pressure on the opposing quarterback.
[00:33:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I think they're.
[00:33:11] Speaker A: So it's pretty bad.
[00:33:12] Speaker B: Sack percentage is cut in half or something like that.
[00:33:14] Speaker A: Used to be like a 52, 55 average. I think of like them pressuring the other side of the ball and now it's dropped down to like the 30 something. So outside of that though, the fact that they can overcome a golf game. He finally had a bad one. And who. Who doesn't? Right.
But he saw the balls to drive him down the field. And man, those field goal kicks for clutch. Man, this is. This is the weekend of field goal kicking for sure.
That was really big win.
[00:33:42] Speaker C: Another big win. I would say it was an impressive, by all means, but it's. It's a survival win. Was the Vikings win over the Jags. I mean, it was.
[00:33:50] Speaker A: Dude, what happened that game?
[00:33:51] Speaker C: It was. It was rough.
[00:33:53] Speaker A: I don't battle.
[00:33:54] Speaker C: I don't. I'm not sure. Aaron, you correct me. I don't know if it was ever on the red zone channel. Like, I just think it was completely bypassed because the game never was in the red zone. Right.
[00:34:03] Speaker B: Right. As the Vikings got to the red zone. Darnold's throwing a pick right there. So there's no reason to go to any highlight. They just. They basically put on rewind every time Vikings got in the red zone. That was going on.
[00:34:15] Speaker C: Yeah. And I would say wasn't. Wasn't impressive, but I think it's one of those, hey, we got the W. We got out of Jacksonville with it. We're 7 and 2 right now, keeping pace. You know, I was.
[00:34:26] Speaker A: If they were so happy to get out there with a win.
[00:34:28] Speaker C: Oh, 100%. I ran. I ran into a friend of mine yesterday morning before the 10 o'clock started. Huge Vikings fan and he's. And he is not sold on. On Darnold at all. He is just like he's gonna, he's, they're like he's gonna come out today and throw like this, you know, he's gonna have a big game, yada yada yada and everyone's gonna buy into him and then he's gonna be crap the rest of the year. Well, he got the win. He was impressive as all. I think there's a little question marks there but you know they're putting themselves at 7 and 2. They're pretty much a lock here for the playoffs at this point.
Tons of winnable games down the stretch. They play two against the Bears. They got this week against the Titans. So you know they can get to 10, 11 wins pretty easily here at this point. That, that kind of locks them in with that seven and two record.
[00:35:14] Speaker A: Yeah, those five interceptions that game, two from Mac Jones, three from Darnold.
I think they couldn't, they were like the Rams tonight. They just couldn't get it in. You know they just kept on getting stuck in the red zone, third base and kicking field goals. That was definitely, I don't know what that was for all the great games there was, there was definitely some stinkers this weekend.
Bills look great.
[00:35:39] Speaker C: That was, that was the next game I was going to bring up was the Bills. The Bills looking good and at 8 and 2 right now. I think, you know we've talked about us kind of questioning where they're going to be this year but Josh Allen has really taken a step and he's made you know all the new guys they brought in, you know, you know elevating them to another level where you know you go into a game this week against the Chiefs, Rome, you might, you might happen this week they could be the team that beats the Chiefs finally you know, coming up here. So a little bit of a stretch for the Bills coming up but at 8 and 2 they got this division pretty much on lock and you know they're going to be probably the, you know, could potentially be the 1 seed if they can get by the Chiefs and the Chiefs going a little bit but you know they have, they have some fate in their hands and the Bills have looked really good.
[00:36:25] Speaker A: I don't know if this ever happened when like the pass were dominating but I don't remember a team having was this like a four game lead now basically five games in their own division.
[00:36:36] Speaker B: Well, they got a three game lead right over the Chargers.
Chiefs nine zero, Chargers six and three. So three game lead.
[00:36:44] Speaker C: No Bills, Chiefs of the Bills.
[00:36:45] Speaker A: Bills. Bills. Yeah. Eight and two over everybody else. Six, seven losses.
[00:36:52] Speaker C: That had to have happened this early.
[00:36:54] Speaker B: In the year because even the password.
[00:36:56] Speaker A: Dominating like the jets were. They had a couple good years you know in between then I mean.
[00:37:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean I have a five game lead week 10, that's. That seems like a stretch.
[00:37:07] Speaker A: Yeah, that's pretty impressive.
Big window you know this weekend though by the way guys was just interception weekend because Josh Allen great game but he had two interceptions, Joe Flacco had three. This is just interception filled weekend. I don't think I remember a weekend where all these, all the top quarterbacks had this many interceptions. Pretty wild now that I'm just. It just finally clicked right now.
[00:37:28] Speaker C: It is interesting. I haven't seen any stats on it lately but I know we talked with the first couple of weeks were how bad offensive would down overall and then the amount of turnover is like defensive very much adapted to you know what offenses are at because you look at a high flying offense like the Dolphins where they were putting up like insane numbers last year and now you know, can barely move the ball up and down the field to get 23 points against the Rams tonight.
[00:37:54] Speaker B: They, they came in the lowest scoring offense, 15 and a half points per game. Who coming the Dolphins did coming into this game against the Rams lowest scoring offense in the league at 15 and a half points per game.
[00:38:04] Speaker A: Jesus Christ. I personally like the revival defense. I'm a big defensive guy. I like the running back position. That's my favorite position besides linebacker and all the football. So I'm digging the revival of these two things this year. I'm. I'm not, not hating it. So other big wins.
[00:38:22] Speaker B: I don't know wins man.
[00:38:23] Speaker A: Rome.
[00:38:24] Speaker B: I don't know how you haven't got to it yet. Steelers. That was the biggest win of the weekend for me.
[00:38:28] Speaker A: Oh man, that was a good game.
[00:38:30] Speaker B: Steelers going into Washington beating the Commanders. What a battle that was back and forth. Seemed like the Steelers wanted to give that game away.
[00:38:38] Speaker A: They did.
[00:38:39] Speaker B: Had the fake pun on early in the first quarter. Was a great call, great call. And the guy just butterfingers lets it go man. You know, gotta lay off that Halloween candy, you know. And then fumble inside the one. I mean it was like wow, Pittsburgh looks like they're ready to put this game away. And just left Washington hanging around. And then literally like we said that fourth and long stopping Zach Ertz, you know, six 12 inches away from converting that first down and keeping that drive going. Commanders could have had a chance to get that field goal at the End Steelers biggest win of the weekend for me.
[00:39:13] Speaker A: Oh, dude, that was nice. Dude, that was nice. And that Russell Wilson seemed like he had so much time. Like he extended that place for so long and that's nothing drawn up. That's just like knowing what Mike Williams does.
The ball was perfectly placed. Two tippy toes inside. Oh, man, it's so great. I love that pickup. I, for as much as like the offense has sucked for Pittsburgh for so many years, even like the talent of like Roethlisberger to see it finally turn around. I'm. I don't know, man. Like Russell Wilson. So he was dancing all cringe worthy at the end of the game.
[00:39:46] Speaker B: Like, give a lot of credit to Russell Wilson, man. I mean, I know we all questioned, you know, Tomlin making that move when they were 4 and 2.
[00:39:53] Speaker A: He didn't have a great game, but he had some big. I thought.
[00:39:55] Speaker B: I thought Wilson had a good game. I thought he had a good game. He's looked really good these last three weeks.
[00:40:00] Speaker A: He's a piece, dude.
[00:40:01] Speaker C: I don't have the stat in front of me, but I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that I don't know how many games Russell's played. Three or four, but this was his third. He has a third shoot three games. He already has the most touchdown passes since Ben Roethlisberger retired in a season.
[00:40:15] Speaker A: Do you have that stat? Is that what it is?
[00:40:17] Speaker C: I swore. Yeah, I saw it on X somewhere.
[00:40:20] Speaker A: Send it to me. Send it to me, please. I really want to see it from my eyes.
[00:40:23] Speaker C: I will try to find it.
[00:40:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I got three touchdowns, bad interception. But the way you guys talked about it, at least it gives the Steelers, you know, the, those 50, 50 balls. And you know that wasn't going to happen. You know, as much as I like.
[00:40:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, Phil's. He just didn't have a vertical passing game. He does now with Wilson. He's playing like he did in Seattle.
[00:40:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:40:43] Speaker B: And you know, that's. That's big, man.
Give Arthur Smith a ton of credit too, man. The oc. I thought the Atlanta Falcons should have never moved off him as a head coach. He never had any quarterback. Every year was 7 and 10, 8 and 9.
[00:40:57] Speaker A: You could have got.
[00:40:58] Speaker B: You could have given him Kirk Cousins. This offense now you got Russell Wilson's, Pickett, all these guys. And dare I say it, the Steelers are a Super bowl legit team. They are. I'm on the bandwagon. I'm on it. I'm on Market Down Rome. And not only that, not only that they're going to beat the Ravens this weekend too.
I'm not upset right now too.
[00:41:21] Speaker A: I'm looking good on them hitting their over. I'm, I'm bringing all the stats guys. I got all the records of the, you know, over and unders from beginning.
[00:41:30] Speaker B: There's, there's, there's a wise guy once told me there's three things guaranteed in life. Def taxes and Tomlin finishing over 500. Those are facts, man. Those are facts.
[00:41:39] Speaker A: Hey Jason, you know what if Iberfus is like Tom and he finally finds like the right offensive coordinator can all turn around? He's not. No, he's not though. I'm just playing, dude.
[00:41:49] Speaker C: Tomlin was great in year one I, Aaron and I in college Tomlin was D coordinator for the Vikings and when he was, he was brought in like I knew the guy at that moment. I love Tomlin. I, I always just hear there's some rumblings because he hasn't won big in the playoffs. But to me like he has stability and culture. He knows exactly the guys he wants to bring into the team and yeah, they haven't found the quarterback but this is still a team that he, he finds a way to get to 9 and 8.
I, as a non, you know, I'm wasting my Sundays every week watching Bears games for my entire life. But you know, as some of the games that I look forward to that are not terrible Bears games are the Steelers Ravens games every year because it didn't matter like who or what they are from both teams. Like this is going to be. Oh, it's going to be. It is a brawl up and down. They are two of the best coaches in the league that have like the best run organizations in the league. You know, these guys are going to play. It's going to be a defense, defensive battle, run battle. You know, every yard is gonna matter. Like I love Steeler Ravens game. So I'm looking forward to this week too. And I, I liked, I think in the post game press conference or something Tomlin did, they asked, someone asked him about like the comparisons between Jaden Daniels and Lamar Jackson and you know, Tomlin immediately was like whoa, whoa. Like that's a two time MVP. You know Lamar Jackson, that's, that's Mr. Jackson or something he talked about like that. So the respect between those organizations and stuff I think is at another level too for what you know, they bring to the table every year.
[00:43:23] Speaker A: I don't think Jackson has gotten like the amount like enough credit for how good of a quarterback he is. But I feel like now he's getting it, you know, he's dominating again. He'll probably get another MVP possibly, right. Who knows.
[00:43:36] Speaker C: But to him it's just the postseason. Like he needs to have a season. Yeah, he needs to have the run in the postseason. And it's, and it's somewhat dumb. You know, we're always going to put these guys in like, oh, you never. You got to do it in the postseason. You got to win a Super Bowl. You're not great.
[00:43:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean Manning hope forever to finally break through. You know, his brother broke through, you know, so much quicker pay Manning.
[00:43:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:58] Speaker A: You know, he had the same issues.
[00:44:00] Speaker C: Which is sometimes why the argument's such BS because okay, like oh, you talk about Peyton Manning, two time super bowl champion, but no one forgets he had the nine touchdown, 17 interception season. His second Super bowl title with the Broncos where he wasn't nearly as effective as he was during his in the Colts.
[00:44:17] Speaker A: Very good Super Bowl.
[00:44:18] Speaker C: Super bowl championships are anointed to quarterbacks and that's how, you know, we, we judge them a lot of times. But like you need other things around you. I think the Ravens have that. It'll just going to be what, you know, what Lamar can do in the postseason. Unfortunately, he's had basically a dynasty to go through. You know, his, you know, kind of tire prime here right now with, with the Chiefs.
[00:44:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean Jackson I, I have to look up. But in the postseason he's lost to Philip Rivers, Josh Allen and Pat Mahomes. Those are three quarterbacks that have beaten him. Then one year he wasn't playing and then that's the year the Bengals went on to the Super Bowl. He might have lost another game in the playoffs to somebody else, but those are three quarterbacks that are going to be hall of Famers.
Yeah, Jackson himself will be a Hall of Famer.
[00:45:03] Speaker A: He will.
[00:45:04] Speaker B: And you know, last year, you know of Zay Flowers doesn't fumble up the goal line. We're probably saying that game goes overtime. Who knows what happens?
[00:45:12] Speaker A: Who knows what happens?
[00:45:13] Speaker B: A lot like Jason said can happen. It's just not all the quarterback. Jackson hasn't played great in these games, but he hasn't also done a lot that, you know, five picks or anything stupid that would cost himself team a.
[00:45:24] Speaker A: Game to go back to the Steelers. Man, I, I'm always up with my team. I always give the benefit of the doubt, but I did not see 7 and 2 right now. I did not see it happening. I'm, I'm happy it's ecstatic.
Real quick, though, just want to thank the Eagles for putting the nail in the coffin on the Cowboys season. That was really great. My favorite highlight from that game was when CD Lamb was wide open, jutting across the back of the end zone, and the ball was right there. And he doesn't even see it because that billion dollar stadium just blindsides.
[00:45:59] Speaker B: I think the quote of Sunday was Jerry Jones saying, why don't we just tear down the whole damn stadium and build a new one?
[00:46:06] Speaker A: All that money, they couldn't factor that stuff in. You know, it's just great, man. I. Cowboys deserve all of this and so, so much more. I'm really loving it. There's nothing better than seeing the Cowboys lose.
[00:46:19] Speaker C: There isn't. I think it's just.
[00:46:23] Speaker A: There really isn't.
[00:46:23] Speaker C: There really isn't. It. It's the team that you just live to root against. I think obviously the Yankees get that. I think the Lakers or maybe the Celtics get that in basketball.
But I don't think anything beats the Cowboys because of the arrogance. And, you know, I love it. I think it's the most valuable franchise in all of sports, like, worldwide is the Cowboys for what they're at. And they haven't done, you know, they haven't won in what, 30 years at this point.
[00:46:54] Speaker A: Remember the championships? Because I think, you know, I don't.
[00:46:57] Speaker B: Think they've been to an NFC championship game in 30 years.
[00:47:00] Speaker A: Not since we were kids.
[00:47:01] Speaker B: All those Super Bowls. Yeah, all the Super Bowls. We were elementary kids.
[00:47:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:05] Speaker C: We're barely getting to 1995, the Barry Switzer year, which was, you know, stories to itself as far as the dysfunction that that team had during that time, too. But like, yeah, it's for our adult lives or most of our lives, this team has been irrelevant in the, you know, in the, in the. But they still have you give it to Jerry that it's a brand recognition. Which is all the more why I think it got.
It got put into the mainstream by Stephen A. Today, but all the more why, like.
[00:47:32] Speaker A: Somebody like Stephen A.
[00:47:34] Speaker C: Well, I, I, he brought it up and I've said it in other. Maybe not on the pod, but I've said to other friends, like, I think Dion's going to the pros. And I think the Cowboys make a lot of sense if they decide to move on from Dak and they get Shador and it won't be about winning. It'll just be a circus because you'll have Dion with Jerry and, you know, it'll be a whole, you know, It'll be the whole three ring circus as far as like what's going on because all the press conferences will be entertaining. Everything's going to be on. There's gonna be a lot of talk and they won't win, but it's going to be fun.
[00:48:06] Speaker A: You brought it up about three, four weeks ago and I bookmarked it just in case.
I'll try to pull it up. But you did mention, I was thinking like, that's kind of bullshit, but I guess so, you know, like it stuck in my mind. And then when I did hear about that today with Stephen A. Smith, I'm like, dude, we talked about this like weeks ago. Like that's crazy. Like now, now that's a thing.
[00:48:26] Speaker B: Well, you got to assume that Dallas is going to get the last pick. They got what, three wins? There's a lot of teams right now of two. You got the Giants press out for the year. I, I think Dion, if he does make the leap to the pros, Cowboys seem like a hot choice. I actually think it's the Vegas Raiders that makes the most sense. Vegas, they got two wins. Antonio Pierce is done, man. You get Shadir Saunders and Deion Sanders in Vegas. That right there, talking about Rockstar stories in Vegas, that's a big deal.
[00:48:56] Speaker A: Yeah, that's not a good idea.
[00:48:57] Speaker B: Make the most sense.
[00:48:58] Speaker A: You just don't hire interim coaches. Yeah, I believe it.
[00:49:02] Speaker C: Aaron's right though. I mean this, that's another organization that's going to make us. If Al Davis was alive, hey, it would have been, it would have been the splashy hire that we're going to be entertaining and stuff like too. So I, I buy Vegas as well too. I think those would be, those would be the two teams, I wouldn't say Giants because I think the Giants got kind of the blue bud old school owner with the Mara family. I think Belichick has been like the long person that I continue to say there because he has ties to that organization and they potentially would give him total control, which he's going to be wanting. Which is why I never thought the Belichick to Cowboys things make sense because Bill wants total control where Dion won't care about total control. He's just going to care about, you know, getting some input on who he can bring in. And we know it's Shador. And if they can trade their entire draft stock to maybe get Travis Hunter so they can bring everyone in, who knows?
[00:49:53] Speaker A: I do like the Belgian to the Giants, but I think Dable's safe. I think he stays on.
But Belgic does have a lot of respect for the Giants and he hates the Jets. It's like making rounds on social media. But I don't think he comes back to coaching, man. He's having a great time. He's dating a 24 year old. He's funny on, on TV. All these former coaches from last year that just took off, man. I don't think we've ever seen like a renaissance like the rookie class, right, for like broadcasting. It's been. All these old guys have been on fire on media, man.
Anything else?
I do have a new top eight if you guys want to hear it.
[00:50:26] Speaker C: Oh, the top eight, we gotta go.
[00:50:28] Speaker B: Yeah, we didn't do it last week.
[00:50:32] Speaker C: Any special music for the top eight or anything like that?
[00:50:35] Speaker B: You know, jazz music in the back.
[00:50:37] Speaker A: You need to get some music, man.
[00:50:38] Speaker B: Yeah, we did see you with your modelo. So I guess it's like when you finish that off, does the top eight list come out or what?
[00:50:44] Speaker A: You know, that's a good point. You know what? Model is not my favorite beer. We got to find a beer for us.
But what kind of beers you guys like?
I don't like. I'm a Coors Light, you know, Miller like guy you like.
[00:50:56] Speaker B: You like that Ultra, man. You like the Michelob?
[00:50:58] Speaker A: I do like the big summertime.
[00:51:00] Speaker C: You're giving a lot. We a lot of free advertising right now. Just saying all these beers, you know.
[00:51:05] Speaker A: I know somebody like musicians. I'm just gonna hit someone up, you know, try to get some music done. And my friend owns a brewery. I gotta follow up and see if he can make a beer for us. We'll do like our source myself a beer selling in the stores, you know, in a safe way. I could probably get it in a safe way, compete with Colin Cowards beer on the shelves. See how it goes.
Yeah, my new Power 8.
Now I was kind of iffy, man. On this list it can go. I'm kind of weird about the top. I'm kind of weird about the bottom. But I will start from number eight goes to the Houston Texans.
I know they're six and four right now. Some people are starting to jump off. I still believe in them. They're a good team. Gritty team, tough loss, but I still think they're one of the better teams. They're at number eight, number seven. I got to go with the Philadelphia Eagles. They've been flying high. I'm liking Barkley on that team. They look solid. The question mark there is their coach and you know Whatever he got going on, the guy's kind of weird. I mean, I've been listening to a lot of podcasts now, post game interviews. Don't know what the he's on. He's on some type of like ADHD drugs. But it's a fun team, though. I would not be mad. We'll see how they move on. Forward number six. I got the commanders.
They're legit, man. That, that game against the Chicago Bears, tough loss against the Steelers. They gave it their all.
Steelers want to give that away and. But you know, I like what they got going on. Jaden Daniels is for real.
Number five. First time in my power rankings. Hasn't even been on any of them before. Is my Pittsburgh Steelers number five.
I'm not trying to be homey or anything like that. I think there's like a fair ranking. You guys can tell me if I'm full of. I typically don't like, favor my teams at all, but I think they're strong. It's a really convincing win. It was the win against the commanders of how they showed up. Could have lost in so many ways, but then still came out on top. And you know, Russell Wilson got some balls flying through the air. Mr. What does he call himself? Mr. Invincible? Mr. Unlimited. Unlimited. Have you guys seen that?
[00:53:21] Speaker C: Yeah, old. Old stuff.
[00:53:23] Speaker A: Is it old? I never seen it before when he's in Seattle. But it's okay.
[00:53:27] Speaker C: It's on Brand, with his level of.
[00:53:29] Speaker A: Fucking terrible corniness that he is. He's so cheesy, man.
[00:53:34] Speaker C: He's got a brand. Hey, no, Rob, I give it to you. You know, you have not put the Steelers in here. If the Bears were seven and two, right now, I'd be lobbying for them to be number one in your power rankings. All right, so let's just say how. How fair and balanced you are is assessing these teams of who should be in the top eight. Because, you know, I would have put the Steelers in here a while back, and I think you held great restraint and I think it's a good ranking for them.
[00:53:57] Speaker A: And you know, I give the edge to coaching against the Texans, Eagles and Commanders right now, number four, they dropped down two rankings for me.
They should have lost against the Denver Broncos. It's. It's number four ranked. Undefeated Chiefs broke my heart when that field goal got blocked and everyone's cheering. Taylor Swift's on the tv. I'm gonna start a new game. Whenever they show Taylor Swift, you gotta take a shot. But Chiefs are number four.
[00:54:24] Speaker C: Well, you will not be alive. The Next morning for the podcast.
[00:54:31] Speaker A: Last week, by the way, Belichick was on the Manning cast and they showed Taylor Swift and he just had like the biggest sigh and like, you could just feel that the rest of America kind of agree. Like, I've never seen so many people like Belichick. All of a sudden he's like, ah.
[00:54:42] Speaker C: Come on, dude, date a 24 year old. You know, his girlfriend likes Taylor Swift, probably.
[00:54:48] Speaker A: Number three, the Buffalo Bills.
They're good. As long as Josh Allen's at the helm, they're gonna be dangerous. Two goes to the Baltimore Ravens.
Enough said. And Lions hold on to number one for now. So that's it. Texans 8, Eagles 7. Commanders 6. Steelers 5. Chiefs 4. Bills 3. Ravens 2. The Detroit Lions, number one.
[00:55:20] Speaker C: Not a lot of times you can have a five interception game, win the game and still be number one in the power ranking. So that's how good these lines are.
[00:55:27] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's hard to overcome. 5 interception, that's pretty impressive. That's why they're still number one.
Thoughts?
[00:55:36] Speaker B: Solid list, man. Solid list.
[00:55:37] Speaker A: What would you change?
[00:55:40] Speaker B: I'd have the Steelers up higher than five.
[00:55:42] Speaker A: Really?
[00:55:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:55:44] Speaker A: What would you have miss?
[00:55:46] Speaker B: Three.
[00:55:47] Speaker A: Three?
Jay?
[00:55:57] Speaker C: I don't. I don't think I changed anything there.
[00:55:59] Speaker A: No, no. Wow.
[00:56:01] Speaker C: I don't think I changed anything. I mean, I might put the Chiefs number one because they're undefeated and they never lost. But. But the rationale for the Lions does make sense. So I think you could see the shift next week with the, with the Bills Chiefs game on, where things are at. You know, maybe you're ranking the Chiefs at least one or two with being undefeated, but I understand why you're putting them at three.
[00:56:23] Speaker A: Possibly. Cool.
Take a quick break. You guys want to talk college football or did we talk enough already?
[00:56:31] Speaker B: We kind of already did talk college football.
Unless you got anything else to add. We talked upsets.
[00:56:40] Speaker A: I got nothing. I haven't even taken a look at the new rankings.
[00:56:43] Speaker B: So they come out tomorrow, the new college football playoff rankings.
[00:56:49] Speaker A: Anything changed on the ap?
[00:56:52] Speaker B: Well, obviously Georgia. I mean, I did see Indiana got into the top five.
[00:56:59] Speaker C: Yeah, Indiana's number five. They went up three spots. Yeah. Georgia dropped nine. Miami dropped eight. Boise State went down one, even at eight and one. But I think they're still in Ole Miss. Up six spots, up to 10.
[00:57:15] Speaker A: That was a big win.
That was a very big one. I was digging that.
[00:57:19] Speaker C: That could be a deciding factor for Ole Miss securing a spot in the playoff.
[00:57:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, we got big games coming up this week in College football. So we can talk about those on Thursday. But yeah, another big weekend coming up.
[00:57:36] Speaker A: Yeah, South Carolina's ranked now about. Missouri's ranked now. Tulane, I haven't seen any Tulane games, so that them being A and 2 caught me off guard.
[00:57:47] Speaker C: That's like when you were caught off guard that Pittsburgh was undefeated.
[00:57:51] Speaker B: No, they've lost one back to back.
[00:57:54] Speaker A: They have.
[00:57:55] Speaker B: I think they lost last week. I know they were losing. It wasn't on my games to watch list, so I didn't keep an eye on it.
[00:58:00] Speaker A: Man, they did lose again. Yeah. Because they dropped out of the top 25. Okay, yeah, that's it then.
[00:58:08] Speaker B: Just, just for the record, every game that's on this list that I gave you guys last Thursday, I did watch at least some version of that game.
[00:58:16] Speaker C: So I've seen his living room setup. I believe it.
[00:58:20] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I definitely believe it.
[00:58:21] Speaker B: Oh, we should get into Rome. We haven't. I don't know if you want to take a break first, but byu, Utah, we did not talk about that.
[00:58:27] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[00:58:30] Speaker A: All right, let's take a quick break.
[00:58:31] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:58:32] Speaker A: All right.
Treated myself out this weekend.
Went to a steakhouse for my birthday just by myself. Had a nice dirty martini, then a Negroni, got steak frites. It was a spot that I've been wanting to check it out and then caught the end of college football games at my local bar called the Rec Room. It's an Oregon bar, by the way. And I totally forgot that I gotta go there when there's an organ game. But Aaron, take it away, man. BYU escapes Utah, which I didn't think Utah had any business being in this game, but they were manhandling BYU and what looked like a fix. This looked like a fix if there ever was one. BYU comes out, keeps their playoff hopes alive. Take it away, man.
[00:59:24] Speaker B: Well, BYU regardless, had they lost that game, still would have only have one loss in the conference and then in Colorado would still control their fate there in the Big 12. But yeah, Utah, starting at quarterback, making his first career start coming off the bye week.
You know, Isaac Wilson, who I thought was going to start, didn't get to start Zach Wilson's younger brother. That was kind of a shock. I mean, BYU was a three point favorite. I didn't think this game was gonna be that close given how well BYU had been playing. But Utah jumped on him early. You had a. Was a kickoff return or punt return for byu. Was their only touchdown till basically late in the game there.
[01:00:03] Speaker A: 69, 96 yard kick return in the second quarter.
[01:00:07] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean they weren't doing anything. And then Rome, like you mentioned that last drive, you know, couple penalties on Utah. One that's going to be talked about in that state for a while. The AD come out on Saturday after the game. Jason was just mentioning it off the air. Taking all the fines. Going to be a six figure fine for sure. The Big 12 is not going to mess around. They're not going to, they're not going to want this. Where your guys comes out and says hey, I'm going directly right now and calling the commissioner out saying your conference, your referee suck. That's. It's basically saying we should have Never left the PAC 12 is what it sounded like to me.
[01:00:43] Speaker C: I mean I wouldn't have been surprised if he's just immediately putting in by's or I'm sorry, Utah's withdrawal from the Big 12 after this year and like hey, we're gonna go to the PAC 12 with Washington state, Oregon State and what other randoms are recruiting go to the big, the Pac 12. But yeah, that it was a pretty wild press conference that I have complete disregard for how you're going to punish me because you know, and everyone saw you completely screwed us on this out of this game.
[01:01:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I would have thought they would have already came out the fine because I think it came out from the NCAA White. Why is NCAA still doing anything? But they really find. Was it LSU in Alabama because they were throwing stuff on the field because they stunk. They didn't even show up this week. And then lsu.
[01:01:34] Speaker B: Yeah, man.
[01:01:34] Speaker A: Ole Miss got fined big time because all the fans started storming the field. Storming the field and it was still 16 seconds left, which. How can they just can't run it like what's the, what's the point? It's. It's over. Just what's the big deal? The Julie really needs someone kneeling down to end the game. I just. I don't get it.
[01:01:50] Speaker B: Yeah, it is kind of stupid. I mean I, I get it. Yeah, it is dumb. I mean the over under was already not effective. The spread, the money line, everything was already locked in. All bets were done.
So doesn't make much sense. I mean maybe to officially count some bets, but usually I think a football game you got to get a minimum of 55 minutes in for a game to be called in Bet in action account.
You know, you mentioned lsu. LSU rented a tiger from Florida to basically that that was an insult to tiger fans all across the state of Louisiana. Just go bring your own tiger out of the cage. Let it roam around. Get, get it there in the stadium. You know, you don't go rent a tiger from Florida of all places. And another thing we didn't mention, I saw this. Somebody brought it up. The Dolphins won today, but the state of Florida in college football in the NFL was 0 and 11. The first time ever no team from Florida had won a football game during the weekend.
[01:02:47] Speaker A: Oh, wow.
[01:02:48] Speaker B: You had Central Florida, Florida, Florida State, all fau, you know, fiu, Jackson. Yeah. Jacksonville, Tampa Bay. All these teams lost. And then Miami comes out and inside streak here tonight to get the state of Florida win.
[01:03:05] Speaker A: Nice.
By the way, I owe you guys an apology. There is a different Sports center at 9 o'clock because Nicole Briscoe graced my TV screen and I'm all smiles, all smiles.
You guys are right.
Since we're doing some college football, man, you guys are really up on Georgia, man, for being up on, on Texas, which I like.
And they got beat handily by Ole Miss. So I don't know if you guys are still up on it or if you guys want to send some apologies or is Texas legit?
[01:03:43] Speaker B: Texas? Overrated, dude.
[01:03:45] Speaker A: Overrated? I don't think so.
[01:03:46] Speaker B: They're overrated, man. I mean their toughest games this year is Georgia. They got their ass kicked. Played a terrible Oklahoma team and a terrible Michigan team.
[01:03:55] Speaker A: Everyone has a down here. Everyone has a down game.
[01:03:57] Speaker B: So like I said, I got Miss. I still got four or five teams better in the SEC than Texas.
[01:04:04] Speaker A: So what'd you guys think then? Like just all this is like a fluke game from Ole Miss. This is the biggest win. They'd never been a top five team with, with Kiffin. Georgia was what, number two? They dropped down to 11, man.
[01:04:15] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean Georgia's lost to Ole Miss and Alabama. Okay, they've lost the two team. They've lost the two currently top 10 ranked teams so far. Aaron mentioned Texas schedule. If you're trying to get the comparison, you know, they got a bad Michigan team and what the Oklahoma team you mentioned that aren't very good in the SEC either. So their basically biggest win has come since then was against Vanderbilt who just lost. And now it would have been a showdown with Texas A and M. But Texas A and M's loss here this last week, last week, doesn't make that as. Or is it two weeks ago now? Doesn't make that as an interesting game. But I agree with Aaron on this. I think there's better teams in the SEC than Texas. I think Texas isn't a bad team. I just think this is just. There's another level of competition and I'm not going to be surprised if they get knocked out in the first round of the playoff.
[01:05:03] Speaker A: I think Texas better than Ole Miss.
[01:05:05] Speaker B: I'd be, I'd take Ole Miss over Texas. Ole Miss is a really good team. They laid an egg against Kentucky.
[01:05:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:05:12] Speaker B: Early in the year. And lsu, you know, late drive, touchdown there to beat them there at Tiger Stadium.
[01:05:19] Speaker A: That was a tough one.
[01:05:21] Speaker B: So they've lost couple tough games but a tough schedule. But the SEC is not done. You got Georgia, Tennessee this weekend in Texas. This could be their second probably toughest opponent coming up at Arkansas. Arkansas is coming off a buy for Texas in Texas. You know, Arkansas just beaten what, Tennessee, what, three weeks ago.
So Arkansas is going to give him a game. I don't know if they have enough defense to stop that offense, but that's a game to keep an eye on. And I'll let you know how I feel about that one on Thursday.
[01:05:57] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure. P One of your games.
[01:05:59] Speaker C: I mean, watch. There's gonna be a lot of intrigue into the SEC championship game because you got, you know, what do you. How many teams you got here? Like five or six teams that are either one or two losses inside the SEC right now. So two of these teams are gonna have to play an extra game. So you look at an Ole Miss if they don't make the SEC championship game. Okay, cool. They just, they. I've been saying it all year. The flaw of the current playoff system because I hate these conference title games is you're going to get a third ranked, you know, third team in the conference get the playoff by and this, the first and second teams are gonna have to duke it out for the championship game, which technically they're playing for a buy. But in this conference or how tight it is, does a losing team in the SEC title game get kicked out of the playoff at that point? Because now you're potentially talking, let's say Georgia loses now they're a three loss team. Hey, maybe the three loss team is getting in the playoffs. You know, what if Bama is up there and they lose? So I don't know. There's a, there's a lot that can go into this, the final, the final week of how it plays into. We mentioned Miami at this point. You know, they're probably done out of the acc, but you know, they could still win the ACC championship game here at a certain point and still be playing in the playoff. And the Big Ten, Indiana I think sitting there potentially pretty, you know, they lose this week to Ohio state, they go 11 and one don't have to play in the Big Ten title game. That goes down to Ohio State and Oregon. Ohio State could be a two loss team that only lost to Oregon twice.
[01:07:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I think whoever gets in the, whoever gets in that Big Ten title game is going to make the playoffs. And for Indiana, it's really Indiana and Penn State is that third team in the Big Ten. Indiana's got a ball out and perform against Ohio State if they play well. They didn't play well against Rome's Michigan team. No, that was really their first kind of uptake in competition in the Big Ten. They got off to a good start, struggled, found a way to win.
[01:08:05] Speaker A: Michigan's still a tough out.
[01:08:06] Speaker B: I mean Michigan's got a good defense, they got a good defense, they got no offense. And Indiana came up big and got some stops there. But yeah, for Indiana it comes down to how good can you play in Columbus, Ohio? Can you be competitive? Can you show everybody that you are a top 12 team or really a top 18? Because that's really what's going to come down to if you don't win a conference championship.
[01:08:29] Speaker C: I mean I'm not, I'm not to dismiss what Aaron's saying, but I think overall there's going to be the politics game in this thing too. And I think when you look at the Big Ten and the essence sec, these are the two con, these are the two national conferences, these are the, these are the network conferences for the most part of the SEC with espn, abc. The Big Ten has got the Fox NBC deal. Both of those conferences are getting four teams. The ACC, Big 12 at large. There's one spot up for grabs.
[01:08:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree.
[01:09:00] Speaker B: I think one team, Big 12 is looking like either Colorado or BYU and ACC's right now, SMU in Miami and then the non Power 5 team Boise State if they win out, given that their only loss would be against the top ranked Oregon. That's the way it looks.
And yeah, if Notre Dame wins out, they gotta win out.
[01:09:24] Speaker C: Yep.
[01:09:25] Speaker B: I think the Big Ten's only getting three teams in, so in the sec maybe four, maybe five. We'll see.
[01:09:37] Speaker A: So you think Penn State's out?
[01:09:39] Speaker B: If Indiana shows out and plays well, yeah. If Indiana gets blown out by Ohio State, then they'll be out. Yeah, just to me there's not a lot of intrigue or hype behind Penn State.
If you told me, if you told me, Penn State and then Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi Texas, Texas A and M. Tennessee. I put all those teams over Penn State right now.
[01:10:06] Speaker C: Penn State needed that win over Ohio State because James Franklin never wins that game.
[01:10:10] Speaker A: Never. Never.
Cool that. It.
[01:10:18] Speaker C: Unless you want to talk about the NASCAR championship on Sunday.
Joey Logano winning his third Monster Energy NASCAR championship.
[01:10:30] Speaker A: Didn't even know what's happening.
[01:10:32] Speaker C: I'm just here to inform.
[01:10:33] Speaker A: You know, I appreciate it. I. I did listen back to our podcast about F1. I was like, it's like, oh, man. I was like really digging it watching the Mexico City one now. I'm all geared up for next year.
[01:10:45] Speaker C: Wow. You had Vegas down the road here. It'll be an interesting F1 race coming up in Vegas here in a couple weeks and then, you know, the back to back finale in the desert in the Middle East.
[01:10:55] Speaker A: When is it in Vegas?
[01:10:58] Speaker C: Two weeks.
[01:10:59] Speaker A: It's in two weeks.
[01:11:00] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, two weeks.
Confirm that.
[01:11:12] Speaker B: Yep.
[01:11:12] Speaker C: November 21st to the 23rd.
[01:11:15] Speaker A: Just before Thanksgiving.
[01:11:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:11:19] Speaker C: Yep. So plenty to, plenty of the constructors to be determined there, but the Drivers Championship's pretty much a wrap.
[01:11:27] Speaker A: Hey, guys, are we going to talk about Mike Tyson's fight this Thursday?
[01:11:34] Speaker C: I.
[01:11:34] Speaker A: It's Friday. I just found out it's Friday. Yeah, Friday on Netflix at 5 o'clock in the afternoon. That's. That's wild.
[01:11:40] Speaker C: Where is it at? Is it in Dallas?
[01:11:43] Speaker B: I think it's at. Yeah.
[01:11:45] Speaker C: Is that ATT Stadium?
[01:11:47] Speaker B: I think yes.
I just hope the, the sun's not in anybody's eyes.
[01:11:53] Speaker A: It's all the same thing, you know, because Grandpa got to go to sleep shortly after that fight. I, you know, I don't know what to think, man. I'm kind of worried for Tyson because.
[01:12:01] Speaker B: Let's save that for Thursday because I just haven't really given it too much thought. Unless Jason has something so much older.
[01:12:06] Speaker A: It's like, I just. Why would be up on old guys?
[01:12:09] Speaker C: I saw a commercial for it while I was waiting for Rome to get on. Is about as much preview I saw for it.
[01:12:14] Speaker B: So I, I know they've been hyping it. I've been seeing a lot of commercials this week and. But honestly, yeah, I don't think I'm gonna watch it.
[01:12:25] Speaker A: It shouldn't be like some ethics committee, you know, just can't be fighting people over 65.
[01:12:30] Speaker B: Or it's like, well, I guess it's like a real fight, but like an exposition fight too. Or. What is it? I don't know.
[01:12:38] Speaker A: Like it's a real sanction fire.
[01:12:39] Speaker C: I. I think it's real sanction but.
[01:12:42] Speaker A: Nobody wanted a sanction in California and New York, I think. Right. Probably talk about it. We'll talk more about. I guess, I don't know.
[01:12:51] Speaker C: MLS Inter Miami went down this weekend in the MLS playoffs.
Messy dads are going on. Yep.
[01:12:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not up to.
Yeah. I guess we're really. Pro football and basketball.
[01:13:07] Speaker C: The Cavs are undefeated.
[01:13:09] Speaker B: Still 12 0. Chet Holmgren.
[01:13:11] Speaker A: Out. Out. That's a big loss for the Thunder, but they'll be okay.
[01:13:15] Speaker B: They got a win to tonight.
[01:13:17] Speaker A: You're right. We got to figure out how to like kind of mingle in the NBA stuff.
[01:13:21] Speaker C: I guess we really. We really don't.
[01:13:25] Speaker B: Like me. Jason said NBA college hoops come March. The feeling's good. Be all ready, man. Be loving it.
[01:13:34] Speaker C: Basketball doesn't start until football's over. That's just the rule.
[01:13:37] Speaker A: That's a crazy man.
[01:13:39] Speaker B: Right? Yeah, because then they have the all star break, what, a week later? Two weeks.
[01:13:42] Speaker A: And then the little tournament starts, man. Which stone.
[01:13:46] Speaker B: No, no one cares.
[01:13:47] Speaker A: No one cares.
[01:13:48] Speaker B: I'll fit this way, man. I'd rather watch Mike Tyson, Jake Paul than the in season tournament.
[01:13:53] Speaker A: That's ridiculous. That's really crazy.
[01:13:55] Speaker B: Yeah, it is.
[01:13:58] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Cows, man. Kenny Atkinson, he's a good coach.
I don't know if you saw real quick before we got off the NBA memes, they're gonna be going hard on Bronnie James and that and it's kind of feel bad for him now, but they were saying like Bronnie James lights it up in the G League. He had six turnovers.
Did I send it to you guys? I sent to somebody.
[01:14:24] Speaker B: I. I didn't get it.
[01:14:25] Speaker A: Oh, man.
Can't shoot, can't dribble.
He's athletic. He probably should. He looks like he should be playing football, doesn't it?
[01:14:38] Speaker B: Oh, he. He could be. He could be like the number six DB on somebody's roster.
[01:14:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
Probably should have played a different sport. Not basketball. That's rough.
[01:14:47] Speaker B: He's not an NBA player. That's for sure.
[01:14:49] Speaker A: He's not NBA player.
All right, let's just wrap it up then we'll do some do NFL lines Thursday. What's the NFL game this Thursday?
[01:14:59] Speaker B: Big one. Washington versus Philly.
[01:15:02] Speaker A: Washington it is. Damn. Tough stretch for Washington, huh?
Tough.
[01:15:10] Speaker C: Just battling the state of Pennsylvania.
[01:15:15] Speaker A: Wait, what.
[01:15:19] Speaker C: Now? They're playing in Philadelphia.
[01:15:21] Speaker A: Oh, that's right. My bad.
All right, cool.
Catches sources on the sofa, on X on Instagram. I'll be posting some new stuff this week, catching up on some clips.
Power rankings will be up as well. And then be sure to check us out on Dub Club. We're posting winners every week for college football and NFL and posting a couple teasers on X. We'll be back Thursday. It was fun.
