The AFC North Hot Seats, First Places at Stake, Plus NFL Picks & Predictions for Week 14

[00:00:03] Speaker A: All right, welcome to Source from the Sofa. Time for a little NFL line action. It's December 4th. We're recording Thursday night. If you missed it, we covered the conference championship games for college football. That is posted on YouTube. And if you're listening to. On the pod on Apple or Spotify, this is the second part of that football pod. So welcome back. We have. [00:00:30] Speaker A: I think, is this like the last week of bye weeks? [00:00:32] Speaker B: I think, yes. [00:00:34] Speaker C: Yes. [00:00:35] Speaker A: Last week, 49ers having a dessert bye week. Can't remember the other teams that are having a bye week. Last week we were stuffed with turkey and games all week long. So nice and last, I believe. [00:00:47] Speaker C: I believe we have Carolina, was it the Giants and Pennsylvania Patriots. [00:00:54] Speaker A: Yeah, that sounds about right. And I forgot to set my fantasy football lineup. It's just after last week, I just. [00:01:00] Speaker C: Figured, like, what, you're not in the playoffs anyways, Rome, what is the point? [00:01:03] Speaker A: I've even looked at it, man. I just. [00:01:07] Speaker A: I lost that thing, man. So many missed cues there. All right. Rest in peace to my season. After 10 years in retirement there. [00:01:17] Speaker B: Back to retirement. [00:01:19] Speaker A: Nah, man, I'm not going out like that. I gotta come back now. I'm not. I'm not going out until I win another one. [00:01:23] Speaker C: I think you got to get in, like, a legit league, Rome. Not some makeshift league that just. Yeah, we'll get one set up. We'll get one set up. [00:01:33] Speaker B: Yeah, get one set up for the. For the. For the pod here. Rome, find us. Find us some, you know, seven, you know, nine people to join us here. [00:01:42] Speaker A: I want to do it. And Aaron's like, nah, nah, you can't do it. [00:01:45] Speaker C: Like, nah, we got to get it set up. Not like the day before the season started. [00:01:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I can't. I've been asking if you can set up for us. And, like, you know, now we're in the year two and still getting splinters on that butt. [00:01:58] Speaker C: MVP. NBA live 96. [00:02:00] Speaker A: Man, I. I got. I gotta figure out how to connect the Super Nintendo. Man, I. I've been kind of like, dying to play it. Come on, west, let's go. Let's speed it up here. All right. All right. Week 14 in the NFL. We already saw tonight's game. Cowboys and Lions. Initial thoughts before we head to the rest of the games. [00:02:21] Speaker B: I think overall, just Dallas's defense just not coming through again. I know, Rome, you're saying you know better the last couple weeks, but, you know, Detroit's offense, even though Aaron, you know, kind of put him on their misery with Dan Campbell Running the show. And no more Ben Johnson. I mean, there's still some spark there. Gibbs and Montgomery, I think big in the fourth quarter of that game. But, yeah, the Dallas defense said just the. Just biggest liability for them down the stretch. Dak. CD Dak was good. CD Got hurt. I don't think he got back in the game. Right. Aaron, after he, like, hit his head in that touchdown attempt. [00:02:54] Speaker C: Yeah, he got rolled out of a concussion. [00:02:56] Speaker A: I heard. There's a lot of complaints, too, about George Pickens and of how he just looked uninterested in this game. Is that true? It was just one of those classic back to the Steelers, George Pickens games. It finally happened. [00:03:09] Speaker C: I would agree with that. [00:03:10] Speaker A: Nice. I still miss him. On the Steelers, though. Man, we could have used them. We could have used them. But we're getting, you know, Pro bowlers from 2018, 2019, they get cut from other teams to shore up our weaknesses here. A lot of games on the line, like, lots of stake this week. We have two first place at stake with Jason's Bears against the Pack. Both your teams playing against each other. I'm liking that. And then my Steelers playing the Baltimore Ravens. I have a lot of Baltimore Ravens fans, and they hit me up on my IG today after the power rankings came out, and so I'll catch them on. On messages, and they're like. They're like, your Steelers are nowhere close to the top of your rankings. I'm like, no, dude, I put the rankings together. I'm like, your Ravens aren't on it either, bro. And so the other guy I was talking smack with, his name is also Rome, but he goes by. [00:04:06] Speaker A: N. Rome. You know, that's how we differentiate each other on. On the social. So he's black, in case you guys didn't. [00:04:14] Speaker C: I. I was gonna. I. I didn't want to spell the rest. Romaya. I took the hint. [00:04:19] Speaker A: Which is crazy, because in college, a lot of people called me that. But then after we became friends, we're like, oh, we can't have two. Can't have two of us. So he took. He took it away from me. [00:04:29] Speaker C: And so he's in Rome, and you're like, l for Latino Rome or something. Is that. You know, how's that working? [00:04:37] Speaker A: I don't like the word Latino, man. It sounds, like, very sultry. Like, it sounds like I'm gonna sleep with your wife or something like that. I don't like Latinos. Something weird about it, or am I just being weird about. [00:04:47] Speaker A: Might be me. [00:04:50] Speaker B: I thought for a second when you're talking about the Ravens hitting you, fans hitting you up, that they were, like, somehow thinking their team should be in your power ranking rooms at six. [00:04:58] Speaker A: Six. [00:04:58] Speaker B: That's. That's where I thought it was starting. [00:05:00] Speaker A: You know, they've been pretty vocal this year. Like, they're not too happy with how their team is playing either. And I think they resigned somebody today. I think Andrews to a contract extension. And because this guy Rome, he's like, oh, dude, my Ravens are going to be up this week. You know, we're about to whoop that ass. And then on the next slide, he's like, never mind. We're still doing dumb. This might be a loss, and our season might be over this week. So we're both dealing with, you know, unfortunate circumstances here. I do have a scenario, though, for you guys, because I. I am working on a coach's hot list for next week, but what is the probability and. And correct me if I'm wrong, if this ever happened, but has every coach been fired from one division before? Because if there's every year to happen, I think that division. It could happen. Tomlin out. Taylor out. Harbaugh out. Stefanski out. It is all feasible. And I got it like 60 odds. [00:06:02] Speaker B: On that one, I would say. [00:06:03] Speaker A: What do you think about that? [00:06:04] Speaker B: Zero percent feasible. There's no way Harbaugh's on his way out. I think that's. [00:06:08] Speaker A: I think he's done a bad job. I think. I think it's ready to go. [00:06:10] Speaker B: I think that's an asinine take room. This guy is just a terrible. [00:06:13] Speaker A: They want him gone. [00:06:15] Speaker B: Who's they? These free. [00:06:18] Speaker C: There are a lot of Raven fans, critics. [00:06:20] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. It's been heating up for the last couple years. I even floated on the pod last year. You know, I'm like, they got to get rid of him, man. [00:06:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's not gonna happen. This is one of the more. I mean, you're talking about the Ravens and Steelers, like, two of the more stable organizations that just don't flippantly, like, fire people. The Steelers, I'll give you credit for, because they've just been middling in mediocrity around. The Ravens have had some super successful, like, seasons, like, at the top of the afc. The Steelers are just trying to win nine games every year, and you just haven't got above, you know, got above that. The Ravens, I think there's. There. They were just looking like, trying to get past the AFC championship game between the Bills and the Chiefs and whatnot. So I. I Don't think there's any way Harbaugh is getting like what, what's, what's the big coach out there that you're firing legacy John Harbaugh for? You know, you know, it's a higher right now. [00:07:13] Speaker A: What have he done lately? He went to play. [00:07:16] Speaker C: He wins playoff games. [00:07:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Wins playoffs game and get to the playoffs. Like again. We just talked to this Penn State conversation in the previous pod. You want to be happier than happy. [00:07:24] Speaker A: You know what happened with the Eagles with Andy Reid there. He won playoff games, but he couldn't get past the conference championship game. Same thing with the Baltimore Ravens. Harbo won a Super Bowl a long time ago. [00:07:37] Speaker B: Yeah, buddy. [00:07:38] Speaker A: So, so as Tomlin Aaron. Check your volume, man. It's a little low, but I'm just saying, man, I think, I think there's a good chance. I like the odds like, like for that to happen. It's, it's pretty enticing. Definitely worth talking about. [00:07:54] Speaker B: I don't. Well, I mean we're talking about firing like three of those coaches. But the Harbaugh thing, but not Harbaugh. [00:08:01] Speaker C: No. [00:08:01] Speaker A: There's no chance you haven't heard any of this stuff around Hobby? [00:08:05] Speaker B: No. [00:08:05] Speaker C: Oh, dude, it's, it's more message board chatter from the fans. I mean once he was 1 and 5, everyone was like, yeah, he's got to go, get him out of here. Then they went five in a row. I mean what are they going to do? Fire the guy if he wins the division? Host another playoff home game and wins another one? [00:08:19] Speaker A: 100% it's you. [00:08:20] Speaker B: Ask yourself, Rome again, when you're, you're talking about these code, what is your plan? What is your plan? Who's the coach out there that you're going to go get? Like you, just you, you're. Everyone's always unhappy with the quarterback or unhappy with the head coach. What, what is your plan to go fix this? That's going to be a long term solution. Like tell me, tell me who's the coordinator or retread head coach right now. That would be the hire that you would be better than John Harbaugh right now. [00:08:44] Speaker A: I'm not set up to have that conversation. I'm just throwing out there that all these coaches are on the hot seat and there's lots of discourse between every fan base there, more so than anywhere else in the country. [00:08:54] Speaker B: Well, I would say your premise there is. It's fan base. No one gives a shit about what the fans say when they're winning 11, 12 games every year. And it's the first game that. Oh, sorry. You weren't like dominating the division and you had to take one. You know, one thing, I mean, speaking of a, of a team that does fire their coach every two, three years and finally found like the actual coach that could proceed them in the future, like you make the playoffs every year and you're just on the cusp of super bowl. Like again, the happier than happy thing, like, what are you doing? That's just, that is not hot seat. If it's fan online. [00:09:27] Speaker A: I disagree. [00:09:28] Speaker B: Okay, you can disagree. That's fine. You're wrong, but you can disagree. [00:09:32] Speaker A: Yeah, you're not wrong. I can bring up a lot of different cases for that. [00:09:35] Speaker B: You're or you're, or you, you root for the organization that has had three head coaches in their entire history. The most stable organization in like NFL history because of, you know, you have, you have from ownership downwards. This is a, put a, do a winning team out there and firing your coach every year because the season doesn't go your way. In a league that's about health. The Ravens aren't good right now because. [00:09:58] Speaker C: Lamar got hurt. [00:10:01] Speaker C: And he's still bang. [00:10:02] Speaker B: He barely, he may play this week and they think he's going to play. And so, yeah, it's probably not the best season because, hey, the best player in your team got hurt and it's a quarterback driven league and you know, Cooper Rush and Tyler Huntley couldn't get it done, you know, for time. Like that's, that's what your season's coming down to. I think there's way more questions for something like, you know, Stefanski or Zach Taylor where it's multiple seasons in a row that, that, that, that isn't there. But that's more of a cultural, you know, ownership and general manager ineptitude in those situations where like in the Steelers and Ravens, you have front offices that are stable, that build long term plans and aren't just going seasons and seasons on decisions. [00:10:42] Speaker A: Sometimes there comes a point where you're just at a place where for too long and the voice is getting a little stale, you can't get over the hump. We can pull up a whole bunch of hardball like questionable play calling and a lot of, you know, I mean. [00:10:54] Speaker C: Look, look, are we gonna blame Harbaugh for Mark Andrews dropping that pass? I mean, should hardball be fired? Because, hey, my hands got wet and the ball got thrown to me right on the money and I dropped it. I mean, I, I think if he catches that, they're gonna win that game. They have all the momentum. [00:11:11] Speaker A: So you don't think it's any possibility Hardball gets fired. That's your guys only argument? [00:11:15] Speaker C: I wouldn't say it's zero, but I, I find it highly unlikely that he gets fired. [00:11:22] Speaker B: My only argument that they, you say my only argument is that they don't get fired because the guy has had success. I mean you're, you're in the Bay Area, Rome, where you want to fire Shan, the all your Niners fans want to fire Shanahan every year. Guarantee you these guys gets, gets, you know, get taken up by another organization that love to have these guys premier head coaches in the league. [00:11:41] Speaker A: Yes, Shanahan has done the best job he's done like this year. Like he's, he's done some really good stuff this year. [00:11:48] Speaker B: You said the best job he's done this year and he's taken this team to the super bowl before and just couldn't get it done in the final stretches. [00:11:54] Speaker A: Some questionable. [00:11:55] Speaker C: He's had what, double digit leads in Super Bowl. I mean. [00:11:57] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I know Kyle Shanahan should not be fired. [00:12:00] Speaker C: We've talked about it a number of times and look, if they don't make the playoffs, they'll still be 20% of the fan base is like, oh, this team was good enough to get to the super bowl, he should be fired. [00:12:08] Speaker A: What 49ers. [00:12:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:10] Speaker A: No, nobody was bought in. Nobody was bought in for this year. So they'll be pretty surprised. [00:12:13] Speaker C: But now that they're where they're at, if they don't make the playoffs, they are bought in now. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. [00:12:18] Speaker B: They're happy now because it's like this team should be a disaster train because of all the injuries they got and he's will them to victory and so this is. [00:12:24] Speaker A: Yeah, they're pretty happy about it. [00:12:26] Speaker B: Yeah, this is where the proof in the pudding is where you're good. So the Ravens on, on the same thing. As bad as the injury situation has been for the Ravens this year, they're six and six and they can still win the division and get in the playoffs. [00:12:37] Speaker A: Then you have that stat, you know, like coaches and, and quarterbacks they usually win by like what like is he like year five or six and, and they're two already past that. Harbaugh and, and Jackson, like it's just, it's never happened already after you've already had a marriage this long. Maybe it just doesn't work with them too. [00:12:55] Speaker B: I don't think that's how you make it out there. [00:12:57] Speaker A: It's not just fan bases. There's also national media. There's other people. It's been chattering around for like a couple years now. I'm not bringing up anything crazy. I'm just thinking like wouldn't be nuts and like it could happen. I'm thinking it's not impossible that all four coaches can be gone in the same division. [00:13:12] Speaker B: Well, nothing's impossible. [00:13:14] Speaker A: Has that ever happened? [00:13:16] Speaker B: I can't recall. Because someone generally wins the division and that coach doesn't get fired for winning the division. [00:13:20] Speaker A: Who's the last coach to win a division and get fired to find that out? There has to be somebody. [00:13:26] Speaker C: I mean, honestly, the name that comes to mind is Martin Schadenheimer when they went 142 Chicago, they got the Chargers. Yeah, yeah. [00:13:35] Speaker A: Oh, that's a good one. [00:13:37] Speaker C: That's the top list name that I can remember. [00:13:39] Speaker A: How about, well, Andy Reid. [00:13:41] Speaker C: Right. [00:13:42] Speaker A: Same thing with the Eagles. [00:13:43] Speaker C: I don't remember if they won the division or the Giants or somebody because they were kind of going. Everyone was like going back and forth every time in that NFC East. Remember there wasn't like a repeat winner for like, I don't know, a decade and a half. They just kept rotating. [00:13:56] Speaker A: Giants, Eagles didn't love you. Cowboys get fired after winning his division? [00:14:00] Speaker B: No, he just went 10 and 6 and didn't make the playoffs. [00:14:04] Speaker A: Ah, it was that year. Okay. [00:14:08] Speaker A: Oh, man. [00:14:08] Speaker B: I would say Rome, out of any of the coaches not in that division, but any of the successful teams of the recent five plus years that could get fired for a not good season or a bad playoff would be Sean McDermott. That'd be the coach I'd be looking at. [00:14:23] Speaker C: He's been there what, eight, nine years? [00:14:25] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. It's time. [00:14:26] Speaker C: I mean, going back to your theory, Rome, he's already had Josh Allen for more than five, six years. So he should be fired. Based off. [00:14:33] Speaker A: It's like a crazy stat. Usually quarterbacks and coaches, if they win a Super bowl, they, it's like, it's not immediate, but it's like within like a four or five year window. I have to look it up again. But it's pretty crazy. Everybody else who's last longer than that, they just never win it. Like they might have success, long term success, but just never the Big Apple, which is kind of crazy. [00:14:50] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, going off that, I mean the lion should move off Jared Goff because it's like year five of Dan Campbell, it's belly. [00:14:58] Speaker A: Year four with Dan Campbell, dude, their window might be over, man. We will see. We will see how this Bears thing turn turns out. So the, all the stats I've been seeing about the, the be. Who else is first? Did I say that to you, Jason? [00:15:14] Speaker B: No, I don't think so. [00:15:15] Speaker A: Someone's crunch out the numbers like this. These are like the worst number one ranked teams right now in the NFL ever. Like this late in the season. They're like, it's, it's like they did only point differential and all these other things, but it was nuts. I'll send it to you guys if you guys want to check it out. All right. Sorry for the distraction here. You guys obviously a little fired up after that. I'm digging it. I'm digging it. [00:15:37] Speaker A: All right, let's get into it then. So we got a lot of Sunday games. It's the usual slate then, right? Yeah. Awesome. Commanders vikings Sunday at 7. This is after F1's ultimate finish this weekend. It's gonna be a long day, but we got Vikings favored by two and a half. Commanders on the road, getting some love. Actually, I don't know what's up with this line actually now I'm thinking about it. What's up with the Carthy is their rookies still playing again? [00:16:14] Speaker B: Based on this line, I gotta think they think McCarthy's playing. [00:16:18] Speaker C: Aaron, he got, he got cleared. He's playing. I saw that. He's clear to go. I'll confirm that, but that's what I saw. [00:16:25] Speaker A: All right, let's start with Jason on this one. [00:16:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I think the injury situation is interesting right now. Jaden Daniels practice fully on Thursday and so I think he may be questionable on it. Regardless of. Daniels doesn't play. I think Marcus Mariota, even though they. [00:16:40] Speaker A: Lost good last game. [00:16:42] Speaker B: Yeah, they, regardless of them losing, what did they lost? Like nine. [00:16:45] Speaker C: Seven in a row. Seven in a row. [00:16:47] Speaker B: You can't lose that Bears commander showdown. It doesn't, it doesn't work in your favor. That's, that's, there's all your stats from, that's statistically accurate that you just go on a like death season losing streak after if you lose the commander's Bears game. But I, I, I don't trust this Vikings offense right now. Whether it's J.J. mcCarthy or whoever the heck started last week. I forgot, I forgot that quarterback's name that started. [00:17:09] Speaker C: Everybody forgot. [00:17:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:11] Speaker C: In fact, you know what I was gonna say because I watched, you know, Rome, you brought up the highlight of that interception. [00:17:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:16] Speaker C: You know, I know Jason's thrown This guy out there a few times, but that was Will Levis right there. That was Will Levis right there. That dude has Will Levis in him. He got a little bit more than a little bit because I was like, damn, that should look like Will Levis out there. [00:17:30] Speaker A: If you look at the stats that Will Levitt's had, man, it's not that bad. It's a lot better than what what what their what the Titans current guy is going through right now game Ward. [00:17:38] Speaker B: Well, he's got no one around him so it's gonna be pretty tough. But going to this game Commanders Vikings, I. I don't have a good feeling either way but just haven't liked the overall offense for the Vikings. The Commanders, you know, it's been challenging for them. They did get McLaren back. I'm gonna, I'm gonna hedge this that Daniels is gonna play and even if he doesn't, I still like Mariota subbing in because I just don't really have a ton of confidence in the Vikings right now. I think that I think the commanders win this outright, they end their losing streak. Give me the commanders plus two and a half. [00:18:08] Speaker A: Nice. Aaron. [00:18:09] Speaker C: Agree. It's a weird line to me. It should be like a pick them maybe minus one. I agree with Jason. I mean the line or the Vikings offense has been just awful. I mean JJ's clear concussion protocol so he's going to play. Like you mentioned, Jaden Daniels is practicing in full. I guess we find out tomorrow whether or not he's cleared for full contact. But he's practicing the Vikings. I mean I gotta suspect that this line is that their defense has still been playing pretty well that they think their defense can overwhelm a commander's offense that has struggled at times. But I'm gonna go with the Commanders as well. The more consistent team offensively. I think they found something against the Broncos coming off that buy they look pretty good. Even if it is Marcus Mariota. This might be a game where the Vikings finally get it figured out. But just based off what I've seen, I trust the commanders and I'll trust taking the points. [00:19:00] Speaker A: So give me them nice valid points. I'm gonna go with the Vikings. I just think there's more like a feel thing they are at home. The defense is still playing lights out and I have a feeling their coach, everybody else is they're gonna find a way. Maybe McCarthy shows them a little more light to give some false promise. I think they're like they're already out of it. I think a Lot of teams like there. I saw like a whole bunch of graphs like oh, they're gonna be eliminated from the playoffs. I'm like dude, we've eliminated half the half the half the NFL already on our show. So if you see some comments from source from the sofa we were pretty active on on some on some pages but I'll take the Vikings in this one. It's just more like a gut thing. But Marcus, he looked really great in the last game but I haven't seen him do too many back to back games. So. [00:19:51] Speaker A: It'S a pick them next one we have Dolphins Jets, Dolphins favored in the Meadowlands. Aaron, who you got? [00:20:00] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean I'm gonna ride here with the home team. The jets getting three points. I mean last week we called them an upset outright going to beat Atlanta. I feel like this game is another one they can win. I mean it's going to be cold, possible rain and wet and the jets got a good run game. The defense has kind of figured it out. Tyrod Taylor's gotten some things going offensively Tua does not play good. You know, winning the temperatures get below the 50s in the 40s, 30s. I do like the Dolphins run game but I'm going to take the home team. The jets they've been playing well over the last five games. They might even win this game outright. Worst case, maybe this is another push for us this week. We've been getting one the last three times. So I'm going to go right with the jets the home team plus three. [00:20:43] Speaker A: Jason. [00:20:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna agree with Aaron on this one. I think this is the temperature thing as he called out the weather in New York right Now to a 14 interceptions on the year. Was he tied for the league lead with Gino right now. And as much as I do like HN really I'm pretty sure that you know, two's got 14 interceptions. I think it's tied for the lead Lee. So turning the ball over is gonna hurt you. As Aaron said, a battle of running games potentially in this. But I just don't love the idea of TUA turning the ball over as the temperature dips down and they have to go up north to New York. So I'll take the jets with the points as well. [00:21:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm going just to the points as well. Hold on one second guys. I'm making some soup and I thought I heard some like boiling and I was kind of worried I was gonna. [00:21:24] Speaker B: Say are you burning the place down over there? And then in fact you were. [00:21:28] Speaker A: I I'm usually pretty good. One time I was like so lit though I was too drunk to cook and I woke up and it was like everything was burnt inside the oven so we'll never do that again. That's why Taco Bell's there. Fourth meal the fourth meal I had some today. It. It was okay. Wasn't the best one I've had. All right, next game Titans and Browns. Browns here by four and a half over under 34. This is low Jason. [00:21:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't if Aaron was doing a games to watch for the NFL this would be not on that list for games to watch. Aaron and I have pretty much been rocking with a theory the entire like month or so of like I don't know how the Titans score points and this Brown's defense for as the flaws of the offensive could be and whatever it's going to be with Shador playing I don't know. I know. I know he got banged up in that previous game but I think he's playing. I. I just don't. I just don't know how the Titans score points week to week Right now you mentioned Cam Ward a few minutes ago and with this Titans offense looks like there's nothing around them from a support standpoint. The team's obviously been dis in disarray. I think there's elements to the Browns offense between Judkins running the game, them finding the tight end who's been really good Fannin Jr. [00:22:45] Speaker A: This year. [00:22:47] Speaker B: I think there's enough there and I think just the pass rush getting to Cam Ward on this, it's a lot of points. I don't really love it. Four and a half's a weird line but I'll say Browns minus four and a half. [00:22:56] Speaker C: Agree. I'm going to take the Browns here minus four and a half Based off what you know Jason said, I mean how can the Titans score? They scored three points last week at home against Jacksonville. So the Browns we know defensively really what good struggled a little bit last week against the 49ers but that's a you know a well round team. Shanahan running that offense. I don't even know who's running the Titans offense. I don't know who's calling plays over there. It's going to be in the 30s snowing. Good run game, good defense should be fun. Give me the home team. The Browns here minus four and a half. [00:23:30] Speaker A: I'm sorry Jason. You took the Browns. [00:23:32] Speaker B: Yes. [00:23:33] Speaker C: Cool. [00:23:34] Speaker A: That's gonna be a clean sweep. We got back to back Unanimous decisions here. I think Shador's gonna. We'll see how he does. It's gonna be a big game for him. He has some good elements, good and bad in last game. [00:23:47] Speaker A: And I don't know, man, it's just a weird situation there. But how far away is Garrett away from the record? [00:23:55] Speaker C: One sack last week, so I think he's four. [00:23:57] Speaker A: Four way four. Yeah. All right, cool. That'd be fun to see because he's definitely breaking it, right? [00:24:03] Speaker C: I'd be hard pressed if he doesn't. [00:24:04] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, Steelers and Ravens. For me, this is game of the week. Lots of pressure, lots of talking on the line. Rome, if you're listening, you can go yourself and your Baltimore jerseys down in Cal State or down in Fullerton, where he still lives. Kelsey Floyd's an alum. I can't remember where he went to grad school, but we got some stuff a little side bet on on this game. Aaron, do the honors. [00:24:33] Speaker C: Yes. Big, big divisional game right here. Whoever wins it takes the. The mantle as we speak. Yeah, I mean, the Steelers, I mean, obviously we all watched that game last week. That was one of the worst performances I've seen from an offense all year. And Baltimore, I guess, wasn't that much better on Thanksgiving. I know we touched on it a bit. Rome, I think you touched on how the Ravens have struggled this year. Both of these coaches on the hot seat, according to you and your sources. But, I mean, look at. I don't even know Lamar Jackson is going to play. He didn't practice today. After practicing on Wednesday. My guess is he will play. Yeah, the Steelers, we saw what they talked about on Sunday in the post game. Tomlin Rogers, you know, J.J. what all those guys. T.J. wattso. I'm gonna arrive at the Steelers here. Five and a half. Maybe this is their last hurrah, their last stand. It's a lot of points for two teams that are struggling in a divisional game. That is typically always the Steelers, regardless if they're doing well or not, always give Lamar Jackson troubles. So I'm going to take the points in. The Steelers might regret this one, but I'm gonna take them. [00:25:46] Speaker A: Oh, I'm just gonna say I'm gonna be with you on that. I'm not sure what to expect. These games are usually pretty tough, though, and the Steelers have come in on top no matter how good the Ravens are. [00:25:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:56] Speaker A: Expect the bounce back game. Right? Expect the bounce back game. Hopefully the receivers can catch a ball. All right, Jason, what do you think? [00:26:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll make it a Queen. Queen's clean sweep with you guys. [00:26:09] Speaker C: Patrick. Patrick Queen. Yeah. I don't know if he's playing this. [00:26:11] Speaker B: Week, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll make it a, a clean sleep on this one. I can't even say it, man. This is just going through. [00:26:20] Speaker C: Hey, he doesn't even believe it. Like all of us. I think we should just edit this game out. [00:26:24] Speaker A: Yeah, just j it. [00:26:25] Speaker B: I don't want to, I don't want to say it, but yeah, I, I think a lot of points. What you said Roman there. It's a rivalry game. This team, obviously, from the leadership standpoint, every which way, their performance the past two weeks was unacceptable. I, I, I think that's a big thing. And the unknown embedding in this really. Is Lamar going to play? I think they got, I think the offensive coordinator said they expect Lamar to play, but even if he does play, since he came back from the first injury, he's been very limited. This isn't the mobile Lamar that we offense hasn't been in particularly great. As questionable as the Steelers defense is, there's still some good players on that, on that defense in this type of game. These are, these are the games that end like 13 to 15 or something like that, the way the Steelers and, and Ravens kind of historically play. So five and a half points, I think, is a lot. The Ravens may still win this game, but I think you ride with the points of the Steelers on this. [00:27:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:19] Speaker A: Rogers looks pretty close to retirement, guys. I just want to. In case we haven't talked about it enough on the pod, he, he's looking pretty close, right? Well, if I got him killed, Manny. Yeah, he looked like he got killed. Bloody nose. He looks like Peyton Manning on the Broncos. That last year is like, dude, like, why is this guy out there? [00:27:38] Speaker B: Well, for you, he won this, mate. Manning won the super bowl. So you just need the defense to step up and then maybe get some, some luck there. [00:27:45] Speaker C: Yeah, we'll see what Rogers has left. My guess, I mean, going back to late last year, he was really good. So does he have one or two big games in which he can step up? This might be, this is one he needs to. [00:27:56] Speaker A: Yeah, this is all about pride. So that's why I'm going to lean on the Steelers on this one. Seahawks, Falcons, Seahawks fared by seven on the road. And I think Seacon are the Seahawks. Yeah, Seahawks are number two, I think, on my power rankings, climbing up steadily over the season. Jason, who you got in this one? [00:28:18] Speaker B: Yeah, a lot of points for A longer flight from Seattle down to Atlanta on this one, but, you know, just all year. Don't know what to expect from this Falcons team. And the Seahawks are great away five and one on the road, historically great home team except for the last two years. And even though it's a lot of points, this could, this could be our push game. Aaron, as you talked about with the 7 line, but I think the Seahawks just one of the best teams in the NFC right now, and it's really tight. I'll take the Seahawks -7. [00:28:53] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I'm concerned about the travel, you know, west to east, but Seattle's been really dominant. I mean, the only team they lost to on the road was the Rams, and. Which was a really, really, you know, close game. Seattle plays great defense. Kirk Cousins is not mobile at all. I don't know if Drake London's back in this this week. I think he's practicing on a limited basis, so I'm not sure if he's going to be a go. Gotta stop the run game. Seattle's really good against the run. I don't love the number. It's high. But I'm gonna ride with Seattle as well. Minus seven here. I just, I think they. [00:29:31] Speaker C: They'Re just too much for Atlanta. The Falcons too inconsistent. I don't trust Kirk Cousins here. I'm gonna, I'm gonna ride with the Seahawks. [00:29:39] Speaker A: Yeah, this is a tough one because Falcons have been up and down all year long and they almost, they almost. They did lose against the jets last week, right? Was that. [00:29:50] Speaker C: Yeah, they did lose. [00:29:51] Speaker A: Yeah, that was last week. [00:29:54] Speaker A: I think Sunday morning I might be leaning Falcons with the points on this one. [00:30:02] Speaker A: But. Yeah, let's see what Sam Darnold and company can do. They are on fire. So Seahawks are dangerous, man. I, I, they can make a deep run. I think they're trying to get ready for a deep run here. What a good coaching hire that was, huh? He's really turning that thing around and. No, they look good. They look good. Colts, Jags, Colts here by one and a half on the road. This is a must win for both teams. Colts have been kind of sputtering the last few weeks. They're kind of banged up. Daniel Jones is really banged up. He's playing on basically on a broken leg that hasn't completely broken yet. And if that thing breaks, everything's done. They made the big trade for Ramsey. Ramsey didn't play last week for getting hurt for some odd reason, which the Colts have had a lot of freak injuries this year. They've had, I think, like six or seven incidences where guys get hurt, warming up before the game, and it kind of throws everything off. Just want to throw it out there. [00:31:00] Speaker C: Is. Is Richardson still the backup to Jones? [00:31:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Huh. [00:31:07] Speaker C: Just, I. I haven't heard anything about him since he got, you know, beat out. Beat out like week three in preseason. [00:31:13] Speaker B: He's on. He's on IR right now. The depth chart. Riley Leonard's the backup. [00:31:18] Speaker C: Oh, Notre Dame guy. Wow. [00:31:21] Speaker A: Riley Leonard. [00:31:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:24] Speaker A: All right. Aaron, who you got? [00:31:27] Speaker C: Yeah, Rome. I mean, this is. You talk Steelers, Ravens, game of the week. I mean, I think we have a few games of the weeks this week. So this will be. This will be like 1B, I think, coming up next on the chart. But, oh, yeah, I'm gonna go with the home team getting points here. It's going to be raining. I saw his 90 chance of rain, so running the ball is going to be big for both teams. Obviously, the Colts, the run game is looking great, but now that they've been on a losing streak, you know, Jonathan Taylor's not been running as well. And Jacksonville, Liam Cohen, he's known for the run game. I believe they can get it going here. You mentioned Daniel Jones being banged up. Jaguars defensively been really, really good. Colts just, you know, they lost sauce. Gardner, he's out, just kind of going in the wrong direction. So you're giving me the team that's, you know, got momentum on their side at home with a chance to take the divisional lead by a full game, getting points. I'm going to go with the Jags here. [00:32:21] Speaker B: Jason, going to agree with Aaron on this one. You talked about the weather. You talk about the running game with the Jags have gotten. And then the defense led by Josh Hines Allen, you know, it's just been super dominant. Even though there's some, you know, Titans and Cardinals, not exactly the world beaters. But that dominant win they had over the Chargers team three weeks ago was pretty impressive. And the Colts just losing three out of the last four. I mean, health really their, you know, biggest thing right now. And, you know, that turns into the, you know, it's in a war of attrition, the NFL season right now, and the Colts are definitely losing it. The. The key for them will probably be can they get the run game going. Jonathan Taylor, take the pressure off of Daniel Jones, control the clock. But I think you'll have a battle between both of these teams and how they run the. It'll be close, but I think, yeah, Aaron's right. Take the home team with the points. [00:33:09] Speaker A: I'm gonna take the Colts in this one. I think they gotta stop the bleeding. They've been pretty close in a lot of these matches. Just missing it by miles. Some mistakes at the end. Aaron, you put the blame on Steichen and not Jones and two of those things. So I, I, I think they pull through. I think they go back to the running game. I think Taylor's gonna have a massive game on this one. [00:33:30] Speaker A: And it's going to come down to the running game, I think, on both sides. I think you're absolutely right about that. [00:33:34] Speaker C: I agree. I think whoever can impose their run game, their will on the other one will win this one. [00:33:38] Speaker A: Yeah, that, that's who wins. So if the Jags do it, then they win and yeah, they'll be in good position towards the end of the season. So your circa million schedule here is jacked up again. So we're going to skip the next one and go to this. Well, it does it twice. I don't know. God damn, dude. [00:33:59] Speaker C: When they put this together. [00:34:00] Speaker A: Yeah. So I'm like, what are they doing this? Like, like an Excel spreadsheet? Like, I, I just don't get it. All right, so Saints. Bucks. Bucks fair by eight and a half, which I think is pretty high considering how the Bucks been playing. Just like the Colts, having lots of injuries. They're. They've been having like the season of hell. Just injuries wise. Pretty much like what the for Anders had last year. I feel really bad for them. Eight and a half, though. 41 over under Jason, who you got. [00:34:27] Speaker B: It's a lot of points and I don't love it. Considering the Saints have been weirdly competitive in some of these games. You know, close loss against the Cardinals. I guess they wouldn't have covered against a game like the, the, the Falcons, but I just still, it's another team. I don't know how they score points. I think you got Bucky Irving back for the Bucks last week. Godwin was back. He had some, you know. [00:34:52] Speaker B: You know, and so I think there's a little bit of health you're getting. I don't, I don't know if Baker's ever healthy, but he's gonna, you know, he's going to be gutting it out and slinging the ball over the place, but I really like just Bucky Irving back. Taking that pressure off the passing game for Baker, it's a lot of points. Don't love it. But I'll take the Bucs minus eight and A half because they do need to win as much as this division's close for them all of a sudden. And they've been on a pretty significant slide here the last month and a half. [00:35:18] Speaker A: Aaron? [00:35:20] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, for the remaining people in the circus survivor contest, the Bucks are probably going to be the top play this week. But I agree, I like the Bucks here. I mean, Bucky Irving coming back, getting in the mix. I think he got in the end zone last week was big. You had Godwin. I think even Mike Evans might be back for this game. Also they have another guy, second year player Jalen McMillan, that's been practicing. He may come back and play too. He hasn't played all year. So maybe Tampa's starting to get healthy at the right time. They've been banged up. Like Jason said, the Saints really don't score. I mean, they backdoored screwed us when that Dolphins game, when the Dolphins were up 16, 0, then 8, 19, 8 in the quarter. That was a game we got screwed on. So don't screw me twice. I'm taking Tampa here by at least 10 or more. [00:36:05] Speaker A: Yeah, Tampa might be getting some guys back. I, I, you know, I've been holding on to Goblin all year and I didn't even put him in my lineup last week, so I wasn't sure. And he had a decent game. I would have still lost, I think. But. [00:36:20] Speaker A: Eight and a half is still a lot though. [00:36:22] Speaker C: Is that the highest spread this week in all the games? [00:36:25] Speaker A: We have another one? [00:36:26] Speaker B: Yeah, you got another eight and a half. Rams, Cardinals. [00:36:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:32] Speaker A: I just don't have enough trust in the Saints offense. Their rookie quarterback, Tyler show. [00:36:39] Speaker A: Didn'T have much to show for last week, so. [00:36:45] Speaker A: Yeah, thank you. [00:36:47] Speaker C: You've been working on that one all week, Rome or what? [00:36:49] Speaker A: I, I thought about some jokes, dude. I, I wrote them down. I don't know what happened to them, but that's what I gotta do. Off the cuff. Last morning game, we have Bengals and Bills. Bills here by five and a half. They're expecting a shootout here. This is a big, big, big game for both teams. More so for the Bills because I think the Bengal season is already over. But Bengals will technically end it if they, if they win out. Jason, what, what are you thinking here? [00:37:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I just. Overall, the Bills team has just been just fairly inconsistent in a lot of these games, especially for every team. Yeah, well, I mean, I just like ones where you have felt like they should be blowing people out and not, I mean, the only thing you're gonna get out of this Is, you know, the Bengals. The Bengals defense is not great, and so it could be a big showing on Allen. What I liked last week against your Steelers Rome was how much they were putting the ball in James Cook's hands, too, and taking and taking the pressure off of Josh Allen. You know, on the flip side, you get Burrow back. I was, you know, I don't think you can't underestimate Gerald Burrow, but he looked really good for a guy who, you know, had been on the sidelines, just coming back in with the turf toe and everything. And it really put it to the Ravens there in the first matchup. I don't love it, but given that how many points the Bengals are getting right now and the Bengals are playing for something, there's a reason Joe Burrow is coming back. I think this is going to be a really competitive game, so I'll take the Bengals plus five and a half. [00:38:20] Speaker A: Aaron, it's going to be cold. [00:38:22] Speaker C: It's going to be snowing. And to Jason's point, I mean, look, when the Bills run James Cook and he gets going, they're tough. [00:38:30] Speaker C: And the Bengals, I mean, say what you want. Defensively, they're not great, but they've shown some signs of life. I don't know if that's, you know, last week, the Ravens offensively not been good, but they held the, they held the Patriots to 19 points. Obviously, they got that pick six to push them to 26, but they kept them out of the end zone. The key is here again, will they be able to keep the Bills out of the end zone? Burrow coming back has lit a fire under them. They're still in. It looks like T. Higgins will be back as well. They had the extra rest since they played on Thanksgiving. Five and a half seems like a lot of points for a Bengals team that traditionally has owned the Bills during the Burrow Allen era. I mean, they beat them in that divisional game when the year they went on to the Super Bowl. The defense scares me because I feel like, you know, James Cook could go off and have a big game and the Bills could win by two touchdowns. But given where the Bengals are at burrow back. The defense has shown signs of life spills, inconsistency. I'm gonna take the Bengals here plus five and a half, too. Don't love it. [00:39:27] Speaker A: I'll do it. Yeah. For similar sentiments, I, I, I, I, I think Bills win, but Bengals back to our cover here. If anything, even if they're down by two scores, Joe Burrow's gonna Be slinging the out of that ball and getting some points up and trying to make something out of nothing. Either way, I think it's gonna be a high scoring game. It's snowing though this weekend. [00:39:49] Speaker C: Yes. [00:39:50] Speaker A: So I'm gonna lean on the under on the 53 and a half then. Be pretty tough thinking 27, 25, but I'll take Bengals with the points on this one. Afternoon games here. Let's see. Since things this thing's out of order, we'll do Broncos. Raiders at 105. Broncos here by seven and a half on the road in Vegas. Jason, who you got? [00:40:18] Speaker B: Yeah, interesting spread at seven and a half. One of those ones where you got to be confident that the. [00:40:28] Speaker B: Broncos are really going to take it to a team that just isn't great in Vegas. The Broncos, man, it just feels like every game for them is just so incredibly close. Commanders last week, one point game, you know, the three point win against the Chiefs. The last time they played the Raiders, they only won by a field goal. And so you haven't seen the explosion of anything of Aaron's guy, Sean Payton's offense. Like they're just, they're getting by and you're in and the defense is there. The wild card on the offense for the Raiders is like the number of turnovers they got and how much that, you know, they just have, They've gotten regressed. Honestly. They fired Chip Kelly, but feel like they were worse against the Chargers. They still can't run the ball pretty much at all. I know, you know, Genti's on, you know, one of your fantasy teams we talk about every week. [00:41:15] Speaker A: So he still does good though. He's still beginning with points. [00:41:17] Speaker B: Well, I got to give the ball to somebody on that offense, so I, I don't have a strong passion one way or the other. I just don't really like this Raiders team. And I think the Broncos gotta make a statement offensively in one of these games. And considering how close the last game was, I think it's indoors in Las Vegas. And so I think there's an opportunity here for the Broncos to really start getting going. Don't love it, but I'll take Aaron's guy, Sean Payton, Bo, Nick's Broncos minus seven and a half. [00:41:45] Speaker C: Well, this is one game I do like this week and I like the Broncos minus seven and a half. Look, the defense did not play great against the Commanders. Now they get a Raiders off as like Jason just mentioned that can't do anything except run three plays and punt or turn the ball over check down Geno Tiginti. So you get points there, Rome, but you know what do they have? Brock Bowers. They'll have certain back for this game. They did not have them the first time around. Broncos offensively have looked pretty good the last couple weeks. They're getting some things going. To me this feels like a blowout. Max Crosby may not play. I see he did not practice today. So that's a real downgrade for this Raiders defense. To me this smells like a blowout. It's the perfect spot to get one like the Chargers did to him last week. I think the Broncos do the same. I like the Broncos big this week. Give me them minus and a half. [00:42:35] Speaker A: Yeah, this might be. Yeah, I can see the blow out here. The stories coming out of Las Vegas about Chip Kelly calling plays that he didn't even instill into the offense and just. It's just. It's just not good. [00:42:50] Speaker C: Well, who installed the plays? [00:42:53] Speaker A: Nobody did. [00:42:54] Speaker C: What were they running? [00:42:57] Speaker A: He was calling plays that they didn't even practice. That was like in the playbook but not yet. [00:43:03] Speaker A: And they're. [00:43:04] Speaker C: I will say this once. You're not doing anything right with the plays that you did practice. I guess you gotta, you know, improvise. [00:43:10] Speaker A: It just sounds really bad like it just sounds like Kelly was just high as well. [00:43:16] Speaker C: Does Kelly go back to Ohio State now that Brian Hartline is left for South Florida? [00:43:20] Speaker A: Oh, I don't know. He never goes back anywhere. You know, he's like a Lane Kiffin but. But not. [00:43:30] Speaker C: Well, most of the places I believe he's fired. So this one he actually left. [00:43:34] Speaker B: No, I mean last. I mean he left Ohio State. He left ucla. [00:43:38] Speaker C: So I think UCLA is probably going to get ready to fire him too. So he. [00:43:42] Speaker A: Nah, he was doing good there, man. [00:43:44] Speaker C: A lot of message board people wanted him out. [00:43:47] Speaker A: They did actually. [00:43:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:50] Speaker C: The back door channels of the hardballs. The same people shouting. [00:43:52] Speaker A: They didn't think he was they. Although he did a decent job with the recruiting and like boosting up some stuff. They felt like he was not all in. In certain aspects of the program. [00:44:04] Speaker C: Well, yeah, he just wants to call plays. [00:44:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:06] Speaker C: That's why apparently that aren't on the practice board. [00:44:10] Speaker A: Yeah, apparently that's all he wants to do. He doesn't want to practice the. The plays that they're calling. [00:44:16] Speaker A: All right, so another unanimous decision there with the Broncos. Let's see, we will climb back up on Aaron's up list here. Game week. [00:44:27] Speaker C: I don't make the list. [00:44:28] Speaker A: Rome Bears, packers six and A half in Lambeau. Is it snowing? Supposedly cold though it'll be low. [00:44:39] Speaker C: Like it's gonna be like 10 degrees or something. [00:44:41] Speaker A: 44 and a half over, under first place. Also at stake, besides the Ravens is still his game. This is going to be big. Aaron. What is your green machine going to do? It seems like people are either are in love or they're not in love with loving the packers every other week. What team's gonna show up? Man, I think they finally cracked my power rankings too. I put them. It's been a long time. I've been leaving them out in the cold. But. But they're right there below the Bears. What's going down? [00:45:13] Speaker C: This is, it's. This is a weird game. [00:45:16] Speaker A: Six and a half points. [00:45:18] Speaker C: Six and a half points. Exactly. I mean my power ranking. I. I handicapped this at four, four and a half. [00:45:24] Speaker A: It's because they said Jason DBA does matter and they said your pairs. Six and a half is the spread here. [00:45:30] Speaker C: Wow. Wow. I think that's more like Rome taking a shot, not the tv. Oh, hey, but hey, hey, I picked the best. Go ahead and hide behind those four letters there, Rome. Don't go ahead. [00:45:42] Speaker A: Don't give me the Bears. Say I picked up a lot of games. I've been very supportive of all the progress. Right. So I don't want to hear you have wrong. I mean, look here. [00:45:50] Speaker C: The packers we all know don't blow anybody out. They barely beat teams by seven or more points. I mean the Bears is Roma do. Is he gonna play this week? Is he gonna play? [00:46:00] Speaker B: He did not practice. [00:46:01] Speaker C: Yeah. No, he did not practice. So I am worried about that. I think Stevenson is out as well. He's not practicing. [00:46:09] Speaker B: Stevenson was a DMP in the walkthrough. But I. I'll be honest. I don't even know if they really need Stevenson because. [00:46:15] Speaker C: Okay. I don't really think they do either. Yep, the packers just lost their best interior defense alignment against the run. We all know the Bears do want to run. You know, I like the Bears here getting six and a half. Like I said, Rome, my power ranking had it this line at four. I'll take six and a half with the Bears. [00:46:36] Speaker C: Packers. I mean, outdoor cold game. It's going to be a run game. I think Josh Jacobs could have a good game. I think the Bears. Caleb Williams, he's going to have to step up, make some plays. I think it's a tight game in the end. Packers probably win a close one, but six and a half is just way too much to pass up here. I like the Bears getting six and a half. [00:46:55] Speaker A: I, I agree, Jason. [00:46:58] Speaker B: Yeah, six and a half. Disrespectful spread for the Chicago Bears team. You know, they beat Philadelphia. You see signs in the running game and I, and I love accountability of Ben Johnson and where the passing game is because he basically saying the passing game's been crap so far. [00:47:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:14] Speaker B: And they're winning despite of that. So if your, your passing game isn't where it should be and they're still working on that defensively, they're starting to get guys back. You know, you saw hey, we get Jalen Johnson, Kyler Gordon back week and last week in the secondary that was proof. You know, it's big TJ Edwards potentially coming back this week. If you're looking for the linebackers perspective, it's going to be cold. It's going to be the running game. So I don't think the passing game is going mean as much. It'll be some play action things that I think Caleb needs to hit some of these receivers and that's probably been the biggest downside of the Bears season so far is like Caleb being sub 60% on a completion percentage where the scheme of Ben Johnson is getting guys wide open and those passes need to be completed by Caleb and the wide receiving core. So yeah, I think. [00:47:58] Speaker C: Do you think this is a big game for the tight ends? I think it's a big game for the tight ends. [00:48:02] Speaker A: For the Bears been playing really well. [00:48:04] Speaker B: I think Loveland's been great. I think if you look at some of the stats, I think. [00:48:09] Speaker B: Out of. [00:48:09] Speaker C: The end zone last week. [00:48:10] Speaker A: Week. [00:48:10] Speaker B: So yeah, yeah. I think the last six, seven weeks, I mean people were talking about, you know, the, the Bears taking Loveland over Warren in the draft. But I think the upside of Loveland, you're seeing it where he could be like a dynamic guy that's basically. [00:48:23] Speaker A: That's a big pickup man. He's gonna be really good. [00:48:25] Speaker C: I like time. I like him. [00:48:26] Speaker B: It's. [00:48:27] Speaker C: He. [00:48:27] Speaker B: He's just such a crazy weapon that's going to give Caleb long term and I really like how the way they integrate both of them. So yeah, Aaron, I do think it's because I think, I think caveat in his value and Loveland to a degree too. You know what they're not going to get in the stat sheet for is what the, how they participated in the run and how they were able to be key parts on, you know, a lot of blocking for Swift and Manung guy. [00:48:47] Speaker C: So yeah, well, yeah, leveling out of Michigan. You know, they ran the ball. That's the only offense they had and passed to him. So he knows how to block in catch. [00:48:56] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:48:56] Speaker A: I knew slight was coming, dude. [00:48:58] Speaker C: I knew it. [00:48:58] Speaker A: I covet. [00:49:00] Speaker C: He set me up. He set me up with the block. [00:49:01] Speaker A: How good of a block. [00:49:03] Speaker C: I just had to jump in on him. [00:49:05] Speaker B: So yeah, I, I like the Bears in this matchup. I think there's a preparation. I think it's. I think Kevin Byard said it, man, this is a heavyweight matchup. I think there's Kev. Ben Johnson took a shot at Matt lafleur in the off season. His introductory press conference and so I think that's been talked about this week as far as like, you know, the message board material or. Ben Johnson says he enjoyed beating Matt LaFleur when they. When he was at the Lions and stuff. So yeah, I think there's going to be a lot that goes into this. I know. [00:49:33] Speaker B: The packers were talking this week about just their overall like feel like disrespect from the Bears. I don't know where that was. It was coming from. But besides this. But yeah, I like the Bears in this matchup. Shocker. [00:49:46] Speaker A: Not shocked at all. [00:49:49] Speaker A: All right, one more game. There's only three afternoon games, so kind of pretty chill, man. [00:49:55] Speaker C: Rome. [00:49:55] Speaker B: That's because all of America, 90% of America will be watching Bears Packers. The only people. [00:50:01] Speaker A: Actually, no, it's a fact. [00:50:02] Speaker B: The only people not watching Bears packers is Arizona and Southern California. Because that's like the game of the week. Like every, every local TV is showing Bears. Packers are in that window except for LA's playing this Rams Cardinals game. [00:50:16] Speaker A: I hate the games that they play in LA sometimes, dude, like that's what you have to. [00:50:21] Speaker C: It's. It's your market. [00:50:22] Speaker A: That's disgusting. Dude. [00:50:25] Speaker A: Dude, I was gonna say something too about that. You know what? My cousin who's a Raiders fan, I think there was a game of the week earlier in the year and I talked about it how I couldn't watch the Commanders. I forgot maybe it was Commanders Bears don't know. But he had the Raider game on and it was an ugly game. I think that's when they lost it. [00:50:45] Speaker C: Wouldn't it be Bears commander? Because that was a Monday nighter. If I remember. [00:50:49] Speaker A: It was the. It was the Raiders in Jacksonville game. I think that's the one I saw. [00:50:53] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah, that one. Yeah. That was an afternoon game a few weeks back. [00:50:56] Speaker A: Yeah. And I'm like, dude, like these guys really like their Raider team no matter how shitty it is. And they. And they talk shit the whole time. That's. Who's gonna be watching the Raider game down. [00:51:05] Speaker C: And so we watch the Raiders. Broncos, for sure. [00:51:08] Speaker A: 100. All right, so last afternoon game, Rams and Cardinals. Okay. Sorry, I. I didn't know the Rams were playing the Cardinals. You're absolutely right there. All right, rams here by eight and a half. Another big spread. 47 and a half over. Under, which sounds about right, actually, considering the Cars have been getting points but not wins, which has been the story of their life this year. Jason, who you got? [00:51:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll take the Rams. It's big points, but the Rams are going to come out firing and bouncing back. After last week, you know, that was, I don't want to say, you know, embarrassing, but it's a loss that shouldn't be on. Shouldn't be on their resume for a team that I think Rome, you had him, I think, top of the rankings for a couple weeks. I mean, you've seen what the Sean McVeigh offense can be in the different iterations, but it was not a great game by Stafford. The defense, which have been fairly, you know, dominant throughout stretches of this season, was not great against Bryce Young. But the Arizona team just been lost at a certain point for most of the season when they were losing, you know, super close games that, you know. So now it's just not as close. It's a big spread, but I like the Rams. [00:52:11] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm going to go with the Rams, too. I mean, Cardinals defensively, you know, they've struggled at times. I mean, I think Marvin Harrison is going to be out as well. Junior, they still don't have any running game going right now. Jacoby Brissette has thrown the ball well, but they've been getting down big. They're down where they got beat 20 points the week before at home against. [00:52:35] Speaker C: I can't remember. Then they were down two touchdowns against Tampa Bay. Rams need this win. Given the fact that, you know, Seattle, who knows? Could slip up there in Atlanta. You never know, traveling there. Plus, Bears, packers, packers win. I think if the Rams win, they jump back to the number one spot. So there's a lot on the line here. Eight and a half's a lot for divisional game, but I. I just. I just don't trust the Cardinals and that coaches probably should be probably number one or two on your hot seat of coaches that get canned. I'm gonna go with the Rams as well. Eight and a half here. Don't. Don't like it. Don't love it, but I'll ride with them. [00:53:16] Speaker A: Yeah, this is one teeter totter. I'll probably tweet about it on Sunday, as I do for these games. I'm gonna take the Cardinals to the points on this one for now just because I think they've done pretty good job staying within line. They did get their ass beat, though, by the 49ers. That's kind of a concern. [00:53:35] Speaker C: That was the one game. [00:53:36] Speaker A: Yeah, that was the game. But they stayed close with the Jags. They stay close to the pack. [00:53:43] Speaker A: They beat the Cowboys. They did get beat by the Seahawks earlier this year, 44 to 22. [00:53:48] Speaker C: There's actually. [00:53:48] Speaker A: They're getting beat down by the best teams in the nfc. [00:53:52] Speaker C: Seems like Rome. All those games you mentioned were divisional games that they got beat down. [00:53:56] Speaker B: You know what? [00:53:57] Speaker A: I'm gonna do a switcheroo here. I'm taking the Rams to the points. After looking all these past games. [00:54:05] Speaker A: I guess the cream of the crop up. They're getting their ass beat. Middle of the pack. They're doing okay. So they got a lot of talent there, man. I like Gannon. Just maybe the wrong fit, wrong time, and he got stuck with Murray. You really can't do much when you. When you're stuck with those cards, so. All right, last two games we have Sunday and Monday night here. Texans and Chiefs. Another big game with playoff implications. Loser is. Is out. Cowboys. I think they're out right after today. Like, that's pretty much that. [00:54:38] Speaker C: Yeah, they have. [00:54:39] Speaker A: That was. [00:54:40] Speaker C: I think. I think they said, what, 9% chance now to make the playoffs? [00:54:42] Speaker B: Yep. [00:54:43] Speaker A: So that's tough. But a great year, though. I think Shoddy Howard's done a great job. Texan Chiefs. Reed has been making his rounds on the media airwaves. I like the Texans. I like their defense. I'm an idiot for not putting their defense in my lineup. There's a reason why I. I lost some games. I just overthought a lot of things and trading Swift. Dude, I have a lot of regrets for this fantasy year anyways, as I. [00:55:08] Speaker C: Go through, like, are you taking the Texans? Rome? I mean, you give a long spill there about the Texans. Are you taking the Texas? [00:55:15] Speaker A: I'm taking the Texans. I'm putting on my cowboy boots. I am. I don't have a Texas jersey. I'll wear my old to Cowboys jersey. I don't know. I might get like a little Indian. Put them on the. On the wall and stab a million times. That's the Chiefs, right? You know, a little voodoo going down Here, Take it easy. [00:55:34] Speaker C: Take it easy, Roger. [00:55:35] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I like the Texas. This team is really good. They're. And, yeah, Stroud looked really good last time out coming back from injury. I don't know, man. [00:55:46] Speaker C: It's. [00:55:46] Speaker A: It's my homeless plays well on prime time. [00:55:51] Speaker A: Who. Who went first last time? [00:55:53] Speaker B: I went first. [00:55:54] Speaker A: Jason, you go first. [00:55:55] Speaker B: All right, I'll go first again. Yeah. Rome, these are. This is gonna be one of the games where, like you just said, Mahomes great in primetime, like, cheat out of nowhere, like the Chiefs, make some magic happen. Maybe there's a call that goes their way. But you got Simmons, their left tackle out. He's out for the next four games, and you're gonna go against the best defensive line in the league. Overall, the Texans just been hot, and you got a cheese team that's lost three of their last four. Just haven't liked it. And I. I think there's something there with Houston right now from, you know, starting with 03 and now being on the verge of the playoffs. The. The Chiefs, I. I mean, I don't want to say the dynasty's dead at this point, but, you know, them getting to the super bowl, it may be the things of the past. There's changing of the guard in the afc. I saw the. I don't know, Roman, you know, I'm a big Marvel fan. Are you familiar with Avengers Endgame? [00:56:53] Speaker A: A little bit. I haven't watched any of them. [00:56:56] Speaker B: Well, Thanos, the big villain in there, you know. You know, taught. You know, is, you know, his big. His big villain speech there as Thor, Iron man, and Captain America are coming in the prelude. Yeah, the prelude to the final battle scene. And, you know, basically just says, like. Like, you know, after all. All you. After all have you done, what did it do bring you right back to me? And so there was a big meme going on right now for people saying, like, everyone pray for the Chiefs dynasty. And then the Patriots prop up, and where did it bring you? Right back to me. And so if we're saying the cheese dynasty's over with and now the Patriots are reclaiming their throne on the dynasty of the afc. I don't know. I mean, it's. It could be. It could be that. That made me laugh. I brought that up. That's what you're thinking about the Chiefs, but. But I'll take the Texas in this. I think this is going to be close to the nail in the coffin for this cheese season. [00:57:46] Speaker A: I totally forgot what we're talking about. All right, cool. [00:57:48] Speaker B: Bring it back. [00:57:49] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:57:49] Speaker A: Nail the coffin. [00:57:50] Speaker B: It's a great meme. [00:57:52] Speaker A: I liked it. I liked it. You brought it back, Aaron. [00:57:56] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean. [00:57:58] Speaker C: I think if I was given out a December special, Chiefs moneyline would be the play there because I just. The Chiefs of the dynasty or whatever. This season's over. This is the game. They can't afford to lose it. You know, Jason mentioned, you know what, Simmons is out, but the Texas is going to be cold outside. They've been playing well, but everything points to like a. Are the Chiefs really going to go down? One thing is the Texans. Owen2 Last year here at KC, they struggled in the KC. They struggle against this team. I'm gonna go with the Chiefs minus three, I believe. I believe this is, you know, they played Thanksgiving, extra rest to prepare for this game. All the cards are on the table. They're not winning the division. They're gonna have to hope Buffalo loses. Jacksonville, Chargers, all these teams start losing. I believe a lot of them are going to lose this weekend. Can't afford to lose to the Texas because then they're not going to catch them. Probably for that last spot in a wild card, I'm going Chiefs at home minus three. [00:59:02] Speaker A: I'm telling you, I'm definitely leaning on the Chiefs minus three as well. I'm just a hater. I'm gonna take the text with the points. Three points is gonna be pretty close. I hope it's close. I think Chiefs, this is like a pride game. This is like the Steelers game. We have a few of these, like the season is over, but this is all about like, how much, like, can you look at yourself in the morning, you know, in the mirror of the next morning and. And feel okay with yourself? I think this is one of those games, you know, Chiefs, it's hard to say whether the dynasty's done, but everyone has a bad year. The Patriots had a couple of these as well and they still maintain their longevity of success. Maybe that happens here too. I'm not really sure. [00:59:47] Speaker A: I'll take Texas with the points, but expecting the Chiefs to get up for this one no matter what. Mahomes is Woody. [00:59:55] Speaker C: Is Woody Marks gonna play for the Texans? I know he's a bit banged up. [00:59:59] Speaker A: I think he might. [01:00:01] Speaker C: I think he's practicing on a limited basis, but he's got a foot or ankle. Yeah, I mean it. It'd be two great wins. For the Texans to win at Indianapolis against the Colts and then here against Casey. That'd be huge. [01:00:13] Speaker A: That'd be huge. Huge. And yeah, I'd be huge for demarco Murray, so. All right, last game of the week, we have Eagles. Damn. A lot of good games this week. Another game of the week. Eagles. Chargers. Monday night eagles favored by 2 1/2 over under 41. Aaron, are your Cheetahs going to take this? [01:00:41] Speaker C: No, they're not. Rome. I like the Eagles here. I mean, look, Jay, I know Jalen Carter's out. He got surgery on both his shoulders. I guess the Bears really did a number on him in the run game because he's out this week trying to regroup, get that bench press, chest press, everything going, get ready for them in the playoffs. But I think Herbert's gonna play. But he does have a broken, you know, bone in his hand, so all they can run is shotgun, which limits their ability to run the ball. Eagles, I think, will bounce back after that embarrassment of giving up 285 on the ground against the Bears. Can't really throw the ball against the secondary. And so the Chargers offense is going to be limited. And the Eagles just, it, they got to get something going offensively. I mean, their offensive coordinator just had his house egged. A lot of talks. You know, if he has another bad game, I think he gets demoted, he gets axed. [01:01:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:32] Speaker C: But you know, we're looking at the Chargers. What big time team have they beat this year outside of the Broncos back in week three? None. They don't have a winning record against any of these teams. The Eagles in prime time. They've always showed up and won big games here on Sundays and Mondays. I like the Eagles again here for the extra rest to be prepared and win this game by at least three, if not more. [01:01:53] Speaker A: Wow. Jason. [01:01:56] Speaker B: Yeah, agree with Aaron on this one, too. You lost two straight games. Kind of embarrassed in the Black Friday game against the Bears. And. And they got to make the bounce back. I think they found something in the passing game against the Bears. You saw A.J. brown, and that was probably the lone bright spot in that game of them gamble, get him the ball. Obviously they didn't win, but they've been, you know, they've been. He's been asking for the ball. I think, I think they'll have that opportunity to do that because Aaron brings up a great point about the Charger schedule of who they've actually beaten. If we're given the evaluation that we do in college football on quality wins right now that's not on the Charger schedule. And every time they've kind of gone up against like, hey, it was the Jacksonville game, you Know, it was a showdown against some playoff teams. Man, they got, you know, crushed in that game. The Steelers at the time kind of maybe was the biggest. That's like their biggest win on the schedule maybe, besides that Broncos win that Aaron mentioned early in the season. So, yeah, I think there's just a lot of questions with the Chargers and the Eagles really need this one. They got a few extra days of rest after that Friday game, so I'll take the Eagles as well. [01:02:55] Speaker A: I think. Yeah, I forgot what I think. [01:03:00] Speaker B: Oh, well, we're all waiting whenever you want to get to it. [01:03:03] Speaker A: I'll take the charge of the points on this one. [01:03:05] Speaker C: Bolt up, Rome. [01:03:06] Speaker A: Bolt up, bolt up. Yeah, no. [01:03:11] Speaker A: They'Re pretty banged up. [01:03:15] Speaker A: They did beat the Broncos. They did beat the Chiefs. They did. But these Steelers, they like middle of the road but competitive teams. I know Steelers have kind of fallen off a little bit. [01:03:26] Speaker C: All those teams are 500 record. [01:03:27] Speaker A: Rome, aside from the Broncos. Yeah, yeah. [01:03:30] Speaker C: And that was a, you know, early win. They got destroyed by Indianapolis at home. Jacksonville Washington beat him. There should be a good game. But I'm, I'm just, I worry about this Chargers offensive line that's ranks towards the bottom. And like we mentioned that Jason, like Eagles got embarrassed on Black Friday. Defensively. [01:03:51] Speaker A: They did. [01:03:51] Speaker C: I just don't, I don't see that happening again with this defensive line front. Hampton might be back for the Chargers, you know, but I don't, I don't see him being able to run the ball. I just don't. And like I said, everything's going to be out of the shotgun, so you can't really do play action that's off the table with a broken hand. With Herbert, broken bone in the hand. [01:04:10] Speaker A: That's tough. Yeah. You know, it's probably like lining up for a big response game for the Eagles, man. They, they probably do win big in this one. [01:04:21] Speaker A: It seems like every other year the Eagles have so much drama around them. It's. It's kind of surreal, man. It's kind of surreal with what they got going on. I haven't seen that with like a Super bowl team in a long time. I can't remember the last time there's a repeat or like a defending super bowl champion with this much drama on the repeat run. Just question about coaching, question about play calling, questions about offensive coordinator, defensive schemes, whether AJ Brown is, is incorporated enough. You know, they finally feed him other games that they lose. [01:04:54] Speaker C: I mean, to Jason's point, If you feed A.J. brown, I mean, in all the big games, they've needed him, he's shown up. I mean, Bears, he was there. Rams, he was there. If you feed him, he'll, he'll eat. All right. [01:05:07] Speaker A: This is going to be a lot of games. This is a lot of tough games here I might have to watch almost, huh? [01:05:13] Speaker B: Well, I'll say it's a lot of tough games and I think we had a really great episode, but we had a lot of consensus and this might be our most consensus week we've ever put together. [01:05:22] Speaker A: We had a lot, though. Like, it was like three weeks ago. We had like seven or eight games. [01:05:28] Speaker B: This is, I think this might be the record right here, this consensus. So we're either lying to be like, hey, this is going to be a great week, or it's gonna be, we're gonna be bad down. [01:05:36] Speaker A: I'll go back and check. [01:05:37] Speaker C: I mean, there's games I really, I mean, there's games I like, games I don't. So we'll see. I mean, that commander's Vikings. I think you took Vikings Rome. I, I, I, I, I don't like that game. I just can't back the Vikings right now. But I could see them easily winning by seven or 10 points. Yeah, but maybe Jaden Daniels comes out and Paul's out and they went out. Right. [01:05:59] Speaker A: So I'm a little worried if Jaden Daniels shows up then, then I know, I know. [01:06:04] Speaker C: Jason said he likes commanders outright to win. So I mean, the lines usually is a small line like this doesn't come into play. So usually one side wins convincingly by at least six or more. [01:06:14] Speaker A: Yeah, 100%. [01:06:17] Speaker C: We'll see your Steelers show up. [01:06:18] Speaker A: Rome. [01:06:19] Speaker C: That's a big question mark too. I wanna, I wanna see a good game. I want to see like a 2120 type game. [01:06:25] Speaker A: I would love to see it too, man, because. [01:06:29] Speaker A: I'm already tapped out, dude. I'm ready to just like enjoy myself. All my teams are out of the rut running. I'll root for the 49ers, of course. But real quick before we bounce out power rankings, if you guys have not caught it, it's out on all the socials. I think it's out on all the socials. Can't remember if we posted it every everywhere or not, but number eight 49ers make the power rankings. I think for the first time this year, maybe the second time. Packers join the powerade as well. At number seven after a long hiatus for the middle for a big part of the season. Eagles dropped down to number six. Bears are now my number five ranked team despite only winning. Despite what they're nine and four. Nine and three. [01:07:17] Speaker B: Nine and three. Number one in the NFC and the. [01:07:19] Speaker A: Point differential is six points. Go figure. Broncos number four, we got the Rams. And number three, they dropped a couple spots from the top. Then Seahawks are at number two. They rise up a couple of spots and the the Pats are now the number one ranked team in my unbiased computer rankings out on the social. So check that out. And based on the games this week, we're gonna have a big shake up again. A big shake up. So good we could. Yeah, yeah. It'll be a lot of fun. Any final comments before we bounce out? No. [01:07:53] Speaker B: You mentioned the amount of big games that we got this week. I think some, you know, divisional showdowns with the AFC south and obviously the. The game of the week, Bears, Packers. So a lot, a lot to start shaking out this playoff. Playoff field. [01:08:08] Speaker A: A lot at stake. [01:08:10] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean Rome, I think we got three really good games in the morning window of Steelers, Ravens, Colts, Jaguars, Bills, Bengals. And then we got a great afternoon tilt with the Bears packers followed by I think really good Sunday and Monday night game. [01:08:22] Speaker A: I'm taking it, man. I'm taking it. It's a fun weekend. This is gonna be a good weekend. Conference championships, F1 final and a hell of a week. A pivotal week in the NFL season. So we're gonna have a lot to talk about this upcoming weekend. I'll do it. Source of the sofa. Catch us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts and of course YouTube for college football NFL and some F1 coverage on there. Roman, Aaron, Jason from sources. We are out.