The K-WRM Days, More of Luka's Lakers, Heat Culture, and Rumors in the NFL

[00:00:00] Speaker A: What's up, everybody? This is going to be a weird, weird pod. We kind of jump back and forth, in and out, all around from topic to topic, even circle back after 5, 10 minutes later to what we were talking about previously. So you're going to need to listen to this from top to bottom. First, we start off reminiscing. Some days, our days when we are all at the Worm Kworm. When I was the assistant sports director there, we used to have a evening sports radio show daily. So we talk about that. I don't know. I actually don't know if that's going to make the final edit, but we talk a little bit about that. Jason. Can't believe I've never been to Chili's. We talk a little more about the Lakers, Suns, Durant's bad body language, Miami and Golden State, Jimmy Pat, Riley, Redick, playoff positioning in the east and the West. Then we jump to the NFL. This is before we knew that Stafford was resigning with the Rams, so we kind of tossed around the ideas of him being with the Steelers. How about Rogers? What's happening with Fields? Other updates in the NFL before the combine. And then Jason wanted to slip in a little white socks talk before baseball season starts. So fun pod. Check it out. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back to the jungle, everybody. Sources from the sofa Live late Thursday night, we got the full gang. Jason's back with us after, I don't know, a little night off on Monday. [00:01:46] Speaker B: I was welcome back. Nope. I had no voice, man. Yeah, you had to throw me in. [00:01:52] Speaker A: Or you're like Jason Taylor, just sidelined for the week. But we brought you back, though. That BBL was just. Oh, Joy. What'd I say? [00:01:59] Speaker C: Jason Taylor. That's her. [00:02:01] Speaker A: That's her brother. [00:02:02] Speaker C: Yeah, he's online, too. [00:02:04] Speaker A: Maybe the maker's mark's already hitting. I'm drinking on this podcast. It's been my only night. [00:02:09] Speaker C: Hey, that's how Joy got herself in trouble, too. [00:02:14] Speaker A: Let's get cancel at two minutes in. [00:02:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:16] Speaker C: Hey, remember, bro, remember we said we're going controversy. Just a random segment. [00:02:21] Speaker A: All right, Jason, Aaron had a good idea. We're going to have a segment called Controversy on every show. [00:02:28] Speaker C: Not every show. It's just whatever randomly pops up. It's not going to be like. [00:02:31] Speaker A: We got to bring it back, though. Someone updated our old profile on kwrm, but we're still listed on the. On the profile as. Yeah, because, you know, like, they revamped the station and still. [00:02:49] Speaker B: I thought they tore down the radio station, though. [00:02:51] Speaker A: They did they're based out of Chino now. Chino Airport. [00:02:54] Speaker B: Okay. [00:02:54] Speaker A: But it listed it, like, back in 2005, KWR started producing sports talk shows such as Controversy, hosted by Roman Valdez, Aaron Toler, Jason Sinky. [00:03:07] Speaker B: Wow. [00:03:09] Speaker A: It's still on there. We're, we're infamous now. Rob Bushka eliminated from history there. [00:03:15] Speaker B: Gone. Or did they really produce it, though? I mean, I felt Rome, you produced the show like I did. [00:03:21] Speaker A: But how I did it with, with Rob's, you know, full discretion. He. He knew everything that we were doing. [00:03:30] Speaker C: Literally everything we were doing in that studio. [00:03:33] Speaker A: Oh, I hope not everything. I have some pretty wild stories after hours there. [00:03:38] Speaker B: I mean, the only thing I remember is really us giving hot takes on Detroit Lions, just drafting wide receiver after wide receiver during that era. [00:03:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I remember talking. I remember taking all my girlfriends there recording late night. [00:03:53] Speaker C: I remember, I remember, I remember couple of them or one of them. [00:03:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:57] Speaker C: Skinny one. [00:03:58] Speaker A: That was the first toxic one I've dated. Yeah. That was the first experience I had. [00:04:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:04] Speaker B: Seems like a trend. Seems like a trend. [00:04:07] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, I've gone to therapy. Okay. I've done, I've done all the personal work. I just like what I like. [00:04:11] Speaker B: So this is Aaron's controversy segment right now. [00:04:14] Speaker A: God damn it. Yeah, Just throw me under the bus. [00:04:16] Speaker C: You brought up Joy or Jason Taylor there, so we just got right into it. If this will not air, I think Rome on the main pod, we're just saving it for, like, off segments for special fans that want to pay later. Is that how we're kind of going? [00:04:29] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll do only fans where they can pay five bucks a month and, like, get these, like a Patreon or something. [00:04:34] Speaker C: Like five bucks a month. There you go. [00:04:35] Speaker A: You know, only fans, actually the same thing. You don't have to be naked. Like, most of the stuff isn't there. Well, that's not true. Now they're trying to promote it as, like, you don't have to be naked, but I have some friends, and they're making a lot of money on only fans just doing whatever. I, I, I, I don't know. Never actually checked. [00:04:52] Speaker B: Be being naked. [00:04:53] Speaker A: I, I think so, yeah. Well, they're really beautiful, so. [00:04:56] Speaker C: Yeah. Let's be honest. They're being naked. [00:04:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Jesus Christ. What a wild turn to go into a Thursday night. Is it fun? [00:05:08] Speaker B: You want to restart the pod? Because none of that's making it to the episode, I'm assuming. [00:05:11] Speaker A: All right, welcome back to source of the sofa. We're recording late Thursday night. We're feeling extra special. I guess. Aaron was so desperate to watch the Laker game he wanted to record during halftime. So here we are. It's funny, all these Laker haters, all of a sudden they want to be watching these Laker games. Got Bill Simmons, you got Aaron Toler, even my friend Armand, who's been a guest on the show. He's watched the Laker game. It's amazing what Luka Doncic can do for the NBA. Ratings are down. Boom. Let's blow it up. Let's put Luke in the Lakers. And it solves everything. And it seems like it really has because everyone who hasn't been watching basketball is watching basketball now. [00:05:54] Speaker C: Well, Rome, I mean, I, I have watched the most basketball I've watched all year, but that is due to the NFL being over and college football and NFL being done. [00:06:03] Speaker A: You love Luke will be on the Lakers. Man, you love it. [00:06:05] Speaker C: Oh, I do. Because when they lose, it just makes it all that much more sweeter, my friend. It's just gonna make it all that much sweeter. [00:06:10] Speaker B: It's con. It's convenient that Rome says, oh, yeah, everyone's watching this after o. Okay. They had to orchestrate the biggest trade in NBA history, arguably. And then football ends. I mean, yes. This is the only thing we have to talk about right now is the Lakers. [00:06:23] Speaker A: Hey, hey, I'm, I, I, we, we can talk about my Detroit wedwings. About to go back to the playoffs, huh? Playoff. A big victory. [00:06:31] Speaker B: The wet. The wed Rings. [00:06:33] Speaker A: The Red Wings. [00:06:34] Speaker B: Okay, well, you said the wed Rings. I was like, you got to pronunciate the r. Red. The Red Wings. [00:06:41] Speaker A: Red Wings. I, I got an accident. [00:06:43] Speaker C: I don't know why he's drinking over there. He's drinking. [00:06:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm drinking the makers. I know. It's my night off. Night off. Feeling good. Took some homies. [00:06:52] Speaker C: So. [00:06:53] Speaker A: By the way, before the pod, you know, rare night off, I spent two and a half hours at the gym. Got a leg day like no other. I'm probably feeling it tomorrow. What kind of got me to make the extra push, though. There's like a beautiful blonde girl that was doing leg days as as well. And you would not think that these were shorts. They, they were just, you know, they left nothing to the imagination. But she seemed like a really chill girl. And, you know, I said, hello. How's your workout going? Nothing else. I was very proper continue with my workout. But it motivated me to get a hell of a leg day work in. Afterwards, I went to the brewery up here. It's SF Beer Week. I went to go talk to my friend who has a brewery that's based in Orange county who we're trying to possibly get a brew sponsorship with. Or possibly our own brew. Our own pilsner, I think, like a game day kind of beer that you can knock back 10 or 20. So we talked a little bit today, tried some of his beers. They were pretty solid. And then we went to this place called Cantaroo Asian Rotisserie. Voted one of the best new restaurants in the United States by like Bon Appetit and whatever else. Esquire. We overate steak freights for 20 bucks. Flank steak, a pound of rice, it seemed like. Which that was not evident on the description. Coleslaw, Solid coleslaw. And. And we also ordered a whole rotisserie chicken and a couple cheese and, and, and beef empanadas. And so dealing with a little food coma here, but it, it was quite phenomenal all underneath. A hundred bucks for four guys and four or five beers. Couldn't believe it. Especially here in San Francisco. [00:08:39] Speaker B: I went to Chili's and had the Cajun chicken pasta and two vodka sodas. So, I mean, I don't. I don't know what you're talking about, dude. [00:08:45] Speaker A: I've never been to Chili's. [00:08:47] Speaker B: What? [00:08:48] Speaker A: Oh, I don't think so. [00:08:49] Speaker B: It's an American institution, man. [00:08:51] Speaker C: What's. [00:08:52] Speaker B: Oh, my God, man. [00:08:53] Speaker A: What's good at Chili's? [00:08:55] Speaker B: What's not good at Chili's, man? [00:08:57] Speaker A: Aaron, tell me what's going to Chili? [00:08:59] Speaker C: I don't go to Chili's often. It's been a while. But remember, Chili's is famous for the. The baby. [00:09:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I would love to go to Chili's and try the baby back ribs. [00:09:07] Speaker C: And don't they have that new Chiducken Chiducken chicken sandwich going on now? [00:09:11] Speaker A: Is that Chili's, which was Brock Purdy on the commercial? The Applebee's, I don't know. [00:09:18] Speaker B: Sounds like a local. [00:09:19] Speaker C: Dan Campbell's Applebee's. Dan Campbell's Applebee's. [00:09:22] Speaker A: Then it is Brock party too, then. [00:09:24] Speaker C: I think it is. Yeah. Yeah, I. I was taking Applebee's too. [00:09:29] Speaker A: The only chain restaurant I did religiously was TGIF down in their. And it was phenomenal, man. If you go there, you even underage on like a good Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday night. It was popping, it was vibing. It was a good place to pick up potential girlfriend. Not a girlfriend you want to stay with for a long time, but a beautiful girl. I get a dinner for two for 20 bucks. What is it now? [00:09:53] Speaker B: An empty space? Because TJ Fridays is done. So that's all gone? [00:09:57] Speaker C: It's done, man. [00:09:58] Speaker B: No, man. [00:09:59] Speaker A: Since when? [00:10:01] Speaker B: A couple months ago, man. Chapter 11. Game over. [00:10:05] Speaker C: Yeah, I think they shut down. What, Maybe what, September, October. They had that on there. [00:10:10] Speaker A: They had that Jack Daniels, like steak. It was a little too much. Yeah, yeah. [00:10:14] Speaker C: They even came up with the Jack Daniels cheeseburger too. [00:10:17] Speaker A: It was, it was too much. I remember eating it, but it was just always too much. [00:10:20] Speaker C: Sauce was a bit too much. [00:10:22] Speaker A: But it was a good deal, though. It was a good time. Strong drinks. [00:10:25] Speaker C: I mean, Chili's, you could still get like a burger and fries for what, 10.99? [00:10:31] Speaker B: I don't know if it's about that. It's probably about a $20 meal, which is good. [00:10:36] Speaker A: It's good now. [00:10:37] Speaker B: It's good. I mean, I like the Cajun chicken pasta, a little shrimp and chicken. [00:10:43] Speaker A: Good occasion. [00:10:46] Speaker B: We're not, we're not bougie. Like Roman is, is, you know, fine dining, San Francisco appearance, man. Aaron and I are the working man of the show. We're not, you know this, you know this. The high class that Rome's dealing with up in San Fran, you know, I. [00:10:58] Speaker A: Can enjoy a normal man meal. [00:11:00] Speaker C: You gotta go to like, you know, Jason loves that BJ's restaurant. You got Rockin Brews. [00:11:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I did try Rocket Brews. You're right, it's not, it's not my cup of tea. I, I do like a good fine dining, fine casual restaurant. [00:11:15] Speaker C: Got macaroni grill over here. [00:11:17] Speaker A: Macaroni Grill. I've never been there at all. [00:11:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I, I think, I think it's a little bit of a pass. I've been there in a long time. [00:11:26] Speaker A: I do miss. What's the one with the deep dish pizzas? Is that BJ? [00:11:32] Speaker B: That's BJ's. Yeah. [00:11:33] Speaker A: I remember BJ's having a pretty good, decent deep dish, good calamari, cold beers. I remember like who, who has like the cookie with, with ice cream on top? [00:11:41] Speaker B: That's BJ's man. The pizookie, man. That's what I'm saying. BJ, you know, Aaron and Aaron and I, you know, pre podcast, when we were talking about the infancy of the podcast, man, we, we, we went out to the bar at BJ's, you know, had a nice meal. I think we got a pizookie. [00:11:54] Speaker C: We did. [00:11:56] Speaker A: When I was not. [00:11:57] Speaker C: I think they asked for our autograph and got notes from the show that we were programming at the Time still hanging up there. If you go to the restroom. It's not toilet paper, by the way, people. [00:12:05] Speaker A: Time I was there, I think it was in college, I was still a musician. One of the guys that played saxophone with me on like on the. On the band that I toured with, he was a server there once in a while when we were back in Fullerton. And he would hook it up, man. And I just don't remember ever leaving that place. It just. We just got too hooked up, you know, blacked out drunk. Good times. [00:12:26] Speaker B: There was an era of BJ's. I think it was like, yeah, I don't know. This. This was around end of our college era. So probably 2008, 2009, 2010 ish area, something like that. They had like from ten to midnight, like it was like two dollar beers for like two hours. So you're just trying to. [00:12:48] Speaker A: Two dollars beers. [00:12:49] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And so you're trying to do. The challenge at that point is trying to. They used to have like a kind of a sliding scale from the light to dark. So you're trying to just knock out the whole flight in the big glass in like two hours. And just. Dudes are just. [00:13:05] Speaker A: That's intense. [00:13:06] Speaker B: Drunk left and right. So you'd always have the cops just waiting, just waiting for the pullover. And I'm pretty sure that got shut down for the amount of driving under the influences that were coming out of the BJ's parking lot, especially in Soca. [00:13:21] Speaker A: I had like a lowered Honda Accord, I think, at the time. Or like a Acura RSX with the muffler. That's just like, hey, pull me over. I'm drinking and driving. [00:13:30] Speaker C: I think Buffalo Wild Wing still does something like that late night happy hour from like 10 to midnight or something. 11 to 1. [00:13:38] Speaker A: I barely went to BBWs. Or I've been. I don't discriminate. I have been to a bbws. But we all need loving. You know, we all live in one planet. We got to show this show love. I went there to meet an old business partner when I was in the bww, the pwk. [00:14:23] Speaker B: I'm gonna lose my voice again. You're gonna have to put me in the IL again at this point right now. [00:14:28] Speaker A: Oh, man. That just like. There's just too many acronyms. They all. We all gotta grow up, dude. It's. It's like Charles Chuck talking in front of Shaq and Shaq's just like laughing. There's like so many pause moments there. All right, we've gone 14 minutes in the pod, we haven't talked a lick about sports. [00:14:48] Speaker C: Oh, talk a little bit about the Lakers. [00:14:50] Speaker A: That's true. [00:14:51] Speaker C: Rome, we were talking earlier about the ad remember ad FaceTime and LeBron about the whole trade. Did he know or did he not know? [00:15:01] Speaker A: Yeah, let's talk a little NBA rumors then. Yeah. So there was a good piece, I think, in the New York Times. They interviewed AD&AD calls bullshit on the lake on no one in the Lakers front office knowing what was going down. He even mentions how he calls LeBron James by FaceTime to see his face, to see if he knew. And that's where the article ended. There was no additional information. And so I think when me and you were talking briefly, Aaron, we're. I'm thinking like he probably saw LeBron's face. LeBron kept a straight face as he can. And LeBron knew it was full of. And LeBron's just gonna stay or. Or AD rather is going to keep base just because, you know, they're friends. Sometimes you got to let the homies know, but you know, you got to let your homie know that you know that you know or you know that they know. [00:15:49] Speaker C: Are they represented now by the same. [00:15:51] Speaker A: Agency group they've always been, by Clutch, you know, and like. And like their families are close. I don't know how close, but from what it seems, pretty damn close. So don't know how much LeBron knew, but not a lot of interviews actually from LeBron since then I've noticed I did like a quick Google search look backed on everything and no one's actually questioned him too much on whether he knew or not. It's been pretty hush hush. So I found that really interesting. Jeannie Buzz had a interview on the Rich Eisen show, which is becoming one of my favorite shows now to. To listen to live and on podcast. And she said that, you know, the trade was done weeks before it even happened. They were just keeping hush hush. Just a handful of people knew and they. And she knew if anyone leaked it, other teams would probably get in and be shut down. I think Rich Paul has come out publicly in the last week or so saying that he would shut down the trade if he knew about it. So look how the Suns are playing now. Jason, me and Aaron talked about this earlier the week, how just the body language, man, is just not good. They have tapped out. They have mailed it in. And I was listening to our first two episodes on the NBA season and you said, Jason, you said this is going to be a big year. Well, Aaron was really up on the Phoenix Suns preseason, and you're like, really? But then, you know, you also mentioned, well, this is, you know, Durant's year, like to kind of show off, and it's not happening so big down here. [00:17:23] Speaker B: I think it ends in him being gone from Phoenix or. I don't even know what his contract situation is, but I know that just the conversation about him wanting out, I think they're gonna probably talk about the Heat again, because they always bring up the Heat of always wanted Durant. And if he's not happy, he's gonna make his case to be out of wherever he's at. But for how much ISHB has been spending and money and stuff over there, it has gone not well. [00:17:49] Speaker A: No, not well. What other rumors came out, you know, actually really, really quick. If Durant ended up on the Heat and the Heat had to give up much, that might be like, a pretty cool team to watch because they got Andrew Wiggins now. He's been balling out over there since he got traded there, but they haven't really been winning games since the trade. I think they're kind of tapped out, too. I think that Jimmy Butler took all the. All the stamina of that team. [00:18:15] Speaker B: Yeah, they. I mean, they weren't having a good going into the season. People in Miami were just. Were not happy in the state of the Heat and really for the past couple seasons, because it was. It was a lot of question with Miami. They made the Finals, what, two out of four years in the. Jimmy Butler. They made it the bubble season. Then the, you know, then. And then a couple years past that, and it was kind of like this one and a half man showish with. With Jimmy Butler, but, like, they didn't really have the second star because, bam, you know, was good, but he's not really what you think of the second star. And Tyler Herro wasn't making the jump and just. Just a lot of question marks. And Miami was never going out and getting like, the other guy. Like, Dame Lillard wanted to go there and, you know, Pat Riley and Spoelstra and the team, like, they pretty stand firm on, like, offering what they were going to offer. And Portland kept wanting more. And I think Portland was kind of playing hard to get because it was kind of shoehorned into being the only option. But Miami just never got that second piece with Jimmy. And the funniest part, I think, with the Jimmy Butler thing with Miami, because Miami's got a whole thing about Heat culture. Like, everything about them is the Heat culture aspect and stuff. They really thought, listening to, like, local Miami stuff, because I do kind of a lot. Like, they thought, like, oh, we. We've kind of changed this guy. Like, his grind is. Is, like, in tune with what the Heat culture is about and this and that. But, like, this is the Jimmy. This was the Jimmy Butler story in Chicago, was a Jimmy Butler story in Minnesota. It was the same thing in Philadelphia. Like, it was going to end at this point. And the Heat. The Heat, a little bit of an organization that kind of doesn't, you know, tolerate the drama. Like, it was like, well, about, like, lbron. When is he down there? Because, you know, LeBron's got his way of doing things, and that didn't kind of mesh well with Riley there towards the end and the way they kind of do things. So. But, I mean, I think it'd be interesting because Durant's definitely, like, an ups, you know, a star that they would need right now, given that the team doesn't have a ton. But, like, where does he fit in the way the Heat like to operate? Because, hey, they're. They're into about effort and playing defense and this and that. And if you're talking about load management and some of these things with these players, like, that's not the way that team's kind of operating now. [00:20:33] Speaker A: You know, it's crazy. Like, Durant, man, he had so much going for him, and, like, him winning those two championships at Golden State, I didn't give him enough credit. A lot of people didn't give enough credit. I'm such a hater. Like, people hate that I hate so much up here in San Francisco. But now he's just become, like, a journeyman. He's just jumped from, like, team to team to team, and I don't know, he's gonna end up being, like, top three in scoring in NBA history, just not really having a home. Like, who does he retire as? Like, when he goes to the Basketball hall of Fame? Like, who's he retiring as? [00:21:07] Speaker C: As a Thunder. [00:21:08] Speaker A: As a Thunder. [00:21:09] Speaker C: Okay. See, Thunder, I believe. I mean, yeah, Rome. The guy won two titles with the Warriors. They were in three straight finals. And then he went towards Achilles. Yeah, we talked about it. I think we talked about it Monday. Meaning we had that whole drama with Draymond, didn't want to go back there. [00:21:28] Speaker A: And it was funny. He was on his podcast this week. [00:21:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:32] Speaker A: Shocked me. [00:21:33] Speaker C: So, I mean, he could have gone back there again. We talked about it. Jimmy Butler's back there again. The warriors with a big Win tonight. Curry dropped 56. They look rejuvenated. [00:21:44] Speaker A: That's a good Magic team. [00:21:47] Speaker C: So right now, the warriors are looking good. But Durant, he could have went there. He could have stayed. He should have stayed with Curry. Could have won another title, maybe two. Been looking at three, four, five. But he let the, you know, the pittiness of the whole, you know, Draymond kind of yelling at him get to him. And he's kind of been that way. I mean, he's got 20 fake accounts. We mentioned on Twitter. Anybody that kind of pushes back, he gets mad at. He's just kind of a guy that's kind of like you said, journeyman around and basically wants to play with friends and people. So Miami may want him, but does he want to go to Pat Riley, who Jason just said, Pat Riley's been around the NBA forever. He dealt with Magic Johnson. He dealt with all these big name guys. He don't deal with the bs. He got rid of Butler. Does Durant really want to go there and be a part of Heat culture? I mean, Dwyane Wade, he bought in, and then when they brought LeBron, LeBron wanted to win titles, and bosh. Even Boston didn't like it there, but they still bought in and got the four straight NBA Finals and won two. I mean, unless you're. Unless you're really competing for titles and can win. A lot of these guys culture or not, they really don't buy in. They don't care. It's just about having a good time, getting paid for a lot of guys in the NBA now. [00:22:58] Speaker A: Well, at we talked about on Monday night how, like, these old white guys, right, once they pass 75, who knows? You really. It's like a wild card. It came out this week that Dwayne Wade had a story like when he knew LeBron was going to leave the Heat. Yeah, he always had his cookies, I guess he's a big cookie guy, big chocolate chips. So he had a bag, like an igloo, cookies, and then a bag of, like, whatever food his trainer personally packed him. They're on the airplane and he's asking for his cookies. After he had his, like, postgame deal, they said cookies are not allowed on the plane anymore. It was a Pat riley thing. And LeBron did not play. That was the first time, I guess he didn't play cards with anybody from that point on in, in the season. He just didn't do anything on the fucking plane. He was like, you know, fuck this. And Wade's like, I kind of had a feeling he, he was done with the Heat at that point and that was. And that happened like midway through like that of that, that final season. So it's. Riley is just like this enigma, like too big. He's just going to be like kind of haunting the Heat a little bit until he finally moves on or passes away. [00:23:58] Speaker C: I mean he. Pat Riley's been with the Heat for how long now? He's been there a long time, right? [00:24:02] Speaker A: Since late 90s, I think. Since when he was with New York. [00:24:06] Speaker B: Yeah, late 90s, I think it was like after that, like mid 90s run. [00:24:11] Speaker A: It was the Knicks. [00:24:12] Speaker B: Yep. [00:24:14] Speaker C: So yeah, I mean he's been there and Miami's been relevant the whole time he's been there. I mean Miami, they weren't really anything. I mean, I think he brought in. I think he traded for Morning when Morning was with the Hornets, back with Charlotte, back in the day. I don't know if he was part of that package. And then they brought in Tim Hardaway. Remember they had Hardaway Morning. [00:24:34] Speaker A: Tim Hardaway is really big there. [00:24:36] Speaker C: Yeah, they had some battles with the Bulls. Jordan Jason would know that. But you know, obviously the Bulls were able to get past them. And then the Knicks couple famous five game series, seven game series that shortened NBA season. That was a classic one where the Knicks were eight seed, made it to the finals, lost to. That's when Duncan and those guys won their first title. But I mean Pat Riley, I think there was an interesting stat. I don't remember it off the top of my head, but he's been a part whether coach, player, general manager, president of operations, something about like 30% or more of all NBA Finals since we the Finals begun some crazy stat number that's pretty crazy. [00:25:18] Speaker A: I don't want to go out too off topic, Jason. We're talking about Pat Riley. I was mentioning on Monday how JJ Redick reminds me like the new Pat Riley. This guy got swag, dressed really nice, gots good hair. All right. Hell of a coach. Kendrick Perkins was giving him his flowers. Being a top 10 coach already, I'm totally on board with it. The defense, the Lakers defense has been number one in the past 15 games. Even watching this game against Minnesota, they're just swarming, they're flushing the gaps really quickly. Whatever the rotation is, like whatever he's doing, like they're just doing a phenomenal fucking job. So do you buy or sell on JJ Redick being a legitimate NBA coach? [00:26:03] Speaker B: I buy it. I. I think not everyone that comes from TV and I guess even former players are Always, you know, the, the best fits as a coaching position. You know, a lot of times it's like a star player walking into the role generally aren't the best coaches. So like Magic Johnson and like Wayne Gretzky in hockey or even Jordan in his town. Evaluations like those like elite level players just never really understand like some of the intricacies of like the other parts of the roster because they were just, they were great and they worked hard, but there was a greatness level to them that the, like J.J. redick, like he had a shot, he obviously was great in college, but like as he moved around in the league and left, he had a specific role that he played in like all the teams he was at. And I think for him to be like on the court and relevant in contending teams, I think he just knows a little more about the game. And I, you know, not being the biggest basketball fan, when you watch him on like ESPN when he was doing like first take or any of that type of stuff, like, I think it was a different level of analysis that you just don't get from like every player. Like when you like when players give analysis, like, it's always, it's sometimes like you hear a player going, it's like, man, us three guys who didn't play pro sports. I'm like, yeah, like we get that. We can see that on tv. Like there's some guys that are breaking things down that are seeing a different level of the game that casual. Yeah, the casual fan doesn't understand. And I always got that from Reddick then he was out there. So like I can, I can buy that. Like he, he understood and he knows what he's looking at and could be like he could make a team probably always like relevant. Like you look at like Spoelstra, you know, on that team, like he came up from like a video guy and stuff. And you know the. Even, even when the Heat haven't had like stars in the players, like the Heat have been relevant in the conversation. And I could buy like, hey, Reddick's going to be one of these great coaches that like, regardless kind of who the Lakers get and they don't, you know, the post LeBron era and they're. And because of the Lakers, they're always going to have a star. But I think he'll probably be able to develop and put and know the right guys that he'll put in the, you know, the 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 guys on the roster and figure out the rotation. Right. That makes the most the most. So yeah, like early on, like I, I could, I could definitely like see that so far. [00:28:34] Speaker A: Chase, Golden State, they win today. They've been on a five game winning streak, I think. What was it, like five or six. [00:28:39] Speaker C: Now Aaron lost one game since they've lost Butler, but I believe they were. [00:28:44] Speaker A: The 10th seed and now they're. [00:28:46] Speaker C: And then they're like seven now, right? [00:28:47] Speaker A: They're the seven now. [00:28:48] Speaker C: 32. We talked about Rome Monday. Lakers 2, Warriors 7. The first round matchup that it could shape up to be. I think it'd be a great first round matchup. [00:28:57] Speaker A: I'd love to see it. Yeah, we were talking about how there's like three positions in the Western Conference. You got OKC and the land all by themselves and you have the other contenders. You got Memphis, Denver on the standings. At least Houston and Lakers are in there. They're all like within a game and a half. Houston, I would not consider them in there, Jason. I would put them a level down. They actually had like the sixth best defense in the NBA. It's just, they're just lacking like that one and two star but phenomenal job that what's his name has done this year. You know, from his time in Boston. I know Clippers are still the 6 seed. Aaron doesn't really push much stock into them. Golden State, they're going to probably sneak into the top six seed, it looks like. I think so. And Memphis or like Minnesota rather is still a pretty legit team. And then you're hoping Dallas at least finishes 500, at least till 80 gets back. So oddly enough, does Sacramento hold on to the 10th seed to stay in the playing game or does Phoenix stay in? Phoenix lost again tonight, so the body language is still bad. [00:30:06] Speaker C: Or last night they lost a double overtime to Memphis, like a crushing like 151.49. That was last night. I don't know. The Phoenix played tonight too. [00:30:15] Speaker A: They lost to New Orleans. [00:30:17] Speaker C: They lost to the night. Oh man, they're done. [00:30:19] Speaker A: Yeah. 124 to 116, you know, and, and when you look at that one through 10 seed and everyone's above 500 on the Eastern Conference, it's everyone above the six seed. So you're thinking like, man, if Phoenix was a. Was in the Eastern Conference, where would they be? They wouldn't be much higher. They would still be the number nine seed. So I, I think, I don't. [00:30:39] Speaker C: I know we never probably talked about it yet on the show, but probably off the show over the years, I think the NBA even discussed it, it's kind of getting rid of the conferences and just pitting the best teams in the playoffs. I don't like, I mean. [00:30:53] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I don't know. [00:30:55] Speaker C: You talked about the Suns being in the East. They might even get a six seed, as bad as they are. Not even have to play in the playing game in the, in the east, in the playing game in the West. [00:31:07] Speaker B: I agree with Aaron. Like I said this before Rome, I think you disagree with me. But like, I, you know, and because we're America, we don't love soccer all the time. But I think the best thing about the soccer schedules all the time is like, you play every team twice. You play a home game and away game. So if they, if they, if they were able to put like, was that like a, you know, 58 game schedule or something out there where you just like every team plays every team twice? It's the most balance of the schedules. And you, and you, and you put that like down from a rankings perspective and put it like. And then you get a playoff out of that and maybe the playoffs even bigger or something at that point to get back the TV money for maybe the regular season losses. But like, I think there's a way to like to do something like in the soccer venue for just, hey, it's, it's two games versus every team. It's the most balanced schedule possible. And then you don't have conferences. [00:31:54] Speaker A: I wouldn't mind that. I would like to see like on a bigger scale, the basketball eventually look like the European soccer leagues where there is relegation. Like, we have enough basketball players in this country where like, we can legitimately have one or two legitimate, you know, professional leagues. It's no question about it. Like, look how deep, deep the, the NBA is right. You know, right now. It's just like a lack of promotion. We just don't know how to promote for. [00:32:17] Speaker B: I agree with you, but it'll never happen just because of money. [00:32:20] Speaker A: Well, not right now. [00:32:20] Speaker B: No, it's just never happened because like, it's like the soccer, like the billionaires in Europe want it, want our model because it's guaranteed money. Because what happens in relegation is those clubs lose like a lot. [00:32:32] Speaker A: So much. It's a lot of money. [00:32:34] Speaker B: Yeah, because you go, you go from the Premier League to whatever the. I forgot was a league that goes below. And so you're, you're getting this massive payday to be on the Premier League TV schedule on, you know, whatever it is, Sky Sports or whatever. And then all of a sudden, like, hey, you're you're on a different level and the money's just not there. So that's when they were trying to do that super league out there that was just basically guaranteeing, like, you know, the 10 biggest clubs in Europe were just getting guaranteed money and they weren't doing some of that stuff that got, you know, so much fan pushback. Yeah, for now, I think that you. I think you'll see that pop up again. But, like, yeah, like, but I agree with you. I think it should be, but. Because I think it would really incentivize the way teams, like, really invest in their club. Like, even baseball, you talk through, like, you know, for my White Sox or the Oakland A's or something like that, and the Marlins and these teams that are just not even, like, just relevant to make putting competitive teams out there. You know, why are. Why are you even getting money from the Yankees and Dodgers from the. From the luxury tax when you can't even be bothered to sign anyone in free agency? [00:33:39] Speaker A: How many teams are in the NBA? 32, 30. 30 teams to do NFL put you at 60? Almost just. I put, yeah, 59, 58. But then if you. Maybe if you play your own division three times, that would put you another five more games. It's just not long of it. [00:34:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I would invite the. [00:34:05] Speaker A: Season strength to 75 games, but I think anything lower would be kind of like. [00:34:10] Speaker C: I think, well, the NBA is not going to go from 82 to 58. [00:34:14] Speaker A: Well, they're really. [00:34:15] Speaker C: I mean, if anything, I think the. [00:34:17] Speaker A: Timing, of course, if they reduce their quarters. I don't want to see that. I don't want to see that. [00:34:21] Speaker C: I think they're going to add games. Oh, go from like 82 to 90. [00:34:26] Speaker A: That's ridiculous. That's a long season. It's already too long, maybe. All right. Lakers are in the middle of a. A battle. They were up by 20. They are playing Minnesota. Dude. Ant, Dude. Like, I don't know if you guys see him play. He has, like, the most effortless shot I've seen in the NBA in a long time. Probably since Kobe, I think, but really since mj. Mj. When you watch highlights, it just looks like it's just poetic, you know, aesthetic poetry and ant. Same thing, man. It doesn't look like he's even trying really hard. This guy's just a really good basketball player. I. I love seeing him play. [00:35:09] Speaker C: His skill set in athleticism reminds you a lot of Michael Jordan. Like, when view. We grew up with Jordan. So when you see him you see a lot of the similarities, like Kobe. Kobe was different but wanted to be like MJ and he was different. Yeah, yeah, but like Ant man seems more natural. Like, it's just part of his natural. Just like how some people walk. He can be like, oh, that's like a father son. Like you can just tell how people walk and then how they play. You're like, he's got the same kind of movement and game. So. Yeah, I can see the resemblance. [00:35:40] Speaker A: It's a great candidate. Some. Let's switch out the NBA real quick. Let's go. The NFL, they're talking about rules right now. I don't know if you guys have been keeping up, but so much is being made up of the tush push. Apparently the Packers, Aaron's packers is the one that put in that submission to get that band, which is horseshit. It's pretty funny. [00:36:04] Speaker C: I agree. Horseshit, man. I called them and told them to remove it. I, I made it known. [00:36:10] Speaker A: And, and I'm thinking like, dude, there, there was so many bigger issues than just one team doing a tush bush. How about quarterbacks not sliding and taking advantage? Like Patrick mahomes getting extra 20 yards on, on a run because he wants a fake win outside and, and he ends up running inside the sidelines, you know, for, for plus yardage. That, that's one, you know. [00:36:32] Speaker B: Yeah, to me that's a bit, that's a bigger problem. Like, I, I, it's, it's totally giving way too much to the quarterback from the running perspective for them to just to be invincible out there running like, like that you got like, it's got to be that you have declare yourself a running back as soon as you go outside the pocket. Like, you need, you, you need to have the inherent risk, like you are protected within the tackles and as a passer. But if you, if, you know, if you are, if you tuck the ball and run like you've declared yourself as a runner. And now all the rules that we would do. Any running back that takes some cheap shot or stuff like that. Because, yeah, like, you're right. Rome, like the, the things Mahomes does. And he's not the only one. Like other quarterbacks do it. But like you, you, you were, you were making the defenders basically give up like excess yardage because like, okay, like, I'm just going to stand here like, and so, you know, what are you going to do? And then all cousin, I can gain like four or five extra yards because like, you know, we do this like tiptoe dance To a, to a tackle slide. [00:37:35] Speaker A: It's just wild that they're not addressing it. There's like so many other things that like we complain about throughout the season. But yeah, the tush push is the one making headlines, right? [00:37:44] Speaker C: Well, I think Tush push and the new overtime rule, right. They want to change it. They overrun. [00:37:49] Speaker A: But I was really clear what was happening. And then I know it came out that they are bringing out digital measurement for first downs this year. [00:37:58] Speaker C: Well, I guess they've always you. They were using it last year, but now it's. It's gonna. Basically they're gonna alert the referees right away that hey, they don't need to wait for like, you know, booth review to alert down to them. But it still goes based on where the referee spots the ball. So if we go back to the Buffalo Bills game we talked about, one ref was one yard in front and the other guy was a yard behind. So you know, it's just gonna depend on where the ball spotted that technology will continue to get better. Where eventually there will be like some kind of microchip or something in it where it just automatically like beeps down to the signal of the chain and sells. Oh yeah, it's right on the chain. It's the first down. [00:38:41] Speaker A: I applaud the NFL for always wanting to improve the game, but Jesus Christ. Like these changes sometimes year after year it's like, what are these old fucks talking about? And these meetings, I don't know, they. [00:38:52] Speaker C: Got, they got like you said Rome. They got a bunch of 80 year old guys in there now talking like Jerry. So I don't think Jerry wants to hear about microchips and footballs. [00:39:00] Speaker A: He probably doesn't actually, to be honest with you. [00:39:04] Speaker C: He's too busy reading a script for Landman dude, so Land man, you know what? [00:39:08] Speaker A: So I have, I'm so Jason. I'm now I'm on season three of Yellowstone. I've been powering through. I've been having a lot, a lot, a lot of anxiety lately. So I've been like using that as like the calm down. Season two gave me like a lot of ptsd, man. Just like the, the child being kidnapped and all that stuff just like brought like, you know, other stuff that's happened in my life, you know, issued the family like, Jesus Christ. How to take a break from it. [00:39:34] Speaker B: Season three. Season three is great though. That's my favorite season. I love season three. [00:39:38] Speaker A: It's starting to wear on me. Kevin Costner's daughter, whoever her name is, like, I'm Like, I'm really conflicted. Like, I don't know whether she's like a, like, like I don't know if she's attractive or not. You know, it's just like really confusing. She's nice to Rip, but not to her brother Jamie. You know, even though Jamie was nice to her, like telling her not to kill herself, you know, when she's going through all her stuff with, you know, about the bomb that happened like 40 years ago. These guys all have been dealing with trauma. No one went to therapy, which is like the most craziest thing out of all this thing. Like, everyone's just dealing with like pent up trauma and anger that they've been following up for 40 years. It's the dumbest show. [00:40:16] Speaker B: It's a great show. You'll get. I. You'll get more answers as you go on in season three. First for some of the stuff you just said there. But I do like Rip though. Rips. Rip's great. I would say he is the best character on the show. Probably the fan favorite. [00:40:31] Speaker A: Who's your least favorite to go off topic here? [00:40:38] Speaker B: Least favorite. [00:40:40] Speaker A: They're not doing any spoilers here. [00:40:42] Speaker B: No, least. Least favorite is definitely Casey's wife. [00:40:48] Speaker A: Really? She's begging. [00:40:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:52] Speaker A: But she's just not a good actress. [00:40:55] Speaker B: Well, I wouldn't go as far as that. I just think overall as a character, it's like, I don't know, like maybe you're just thinking like as Casey. Like you, you're the heir to this empire and you're throwing it away to live like in, in a reservation and where she's at and just like, just, just everything kind of around her character and I get like the culture and stuff that for. For her Native American stuff like there. But I think just everything about that character always just was a little off putting to me as far as like the, the. The fam. The show being so much about family and what Casey needed to do. [00:41:30] Speaker A: That was always. [00:41:31] Speaker B: There was always a part of that. Yeah. That didn't mean. Because when you think of like the kid at the same, like, hey, this is the only grandson that can potentially inherit this and everything like that. And he's not like kind of part of it and things like that. It was that that character always kind of bothered me. But I mean, not as bad as, I'll say 1923, which is the spin off as a character in that show I once made that I absolutely despise. So. But yeah, but 1923 came back this last week with Harrison Ford, Helen Marion, that's. That's the prequel to Yellowstone. [00:42:02] Speaker A: So I have to watch that now. [00:42:04] Speaker B: I mean, there's that in 1883, you know, that's. It's. You go back in. In Dutton family history on the establishment of the ranch and basically them fighting for the ranch all through time. [00:42:15] Speaker A: They just like, pillage the Indians or what. [00:42:19] Speaker B: 1883 is really the struggle of them going west is a really, really gritty show on that one. [00:42:25] Speaker A: You really follow this thing. [00:42:27] Speaker B: Yeah, man. I mean, I. When I started Yellowstone, I mean, I will say Taylor Sheridan, I don't know if we talked about this before, but, like, Taylor Sheridan is the executive producer and the writer of this. So he. So he wrote Sicario and Heller. High Water, like, really great movies. [00:42:42] Speaker A: I do like that. Those are good movies. [00:42:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So he wrote those. He. And he. Actually. He's. He's in Yellowstone. He's one of the kind of cowboys from Texas that comes up in there as an actor. He's an actor too. But, like, he's. He's like the writer, executive producer of this universe. And he's the. All the Paramount plus shows are really good. So Lioness, Mayor of Kingstowne, Landman. These are all his shows. So, like, I just. I just. I just really like what he does from. From a TV perspective. So, like, as if he puts something out. There was another show called the. The Bass Reeves that was kind of a miniseries story that was really good. [00:43:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:24] Speaker B: Um. So, yeah, so, I mean, there's just just good content he puts out, man. So, like, I like just like favorite actors, favorite directors and stuff, like, from a TV perspective. Like, you know, I think he's the guy puts it out there. Another. Another guy for me is Aaron Sorkin. Like, I know people don't like him, but he's. He's a great writer to me. So he puts out a TV show or movie. I watch that too much shows. Have you done Aaron Sorkin did the West Wing. That's my. Like, one of my favorite shows of all time. So, you know, it's a little. Little dated to some people, and it glamorizes, I think politics, which is in our current climate is a little bit different. But. But then. But he also wrote the Social Network and A Few Good Men. Was. Was his. He wrote that screenplay. So. [00:44:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I forgot what got us on this tangent real quick. [00:44:12] Speaker B: I don't know. You brought up. Watch Yellowstone. [00:44:14] Speaker C: It brought up the anxiety. Tsa, your pass or whatever. [00:44:19] Speaker A: He's going. [00:44:20] Speaker B: He's going through security at LAX or what. [00:44:26] Speaker C: He'D rather be going for security than driving, I'll put it that way. [00:44:29] Speaker B: Aaron's really trying to get this controversy segment off the ground. And it's just about Rome's like, life. [00:44:36] Speaker C: That's, I think, how we got into it. I don't. I don't remember. We have to go back and listen to Monday's show. Other NFL News, kwrm. The Worm. [00:44:44] Speaker A: KW and the Worm, man, we should hit him up, too. They got nothing going on. We can easily get some syndication on there. [00:44:51] Speaker C: Hey, they kept us in the record books there, man, so we might as well extend on controversies. [00:44:56] Speaker A: And we get this meet up in the Chino Hills Airport. They have a really good burger there. There. There was this thing. I still have a friend that had a private plane. They. They would. They would call it the 500 burger. They would fly from Chino Airport to Riverside Airport. Just fly their private plane or like two other, you know, private airports in SoCal. [00:45:13] Speaker B: Just go up and go down. [00:45:14] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty fun. It's kind of cool. I can't wait to do that. I just want to get my pilots and chest to do that. Just fly out to get a mediocre burger at some other airport. [00:45:23] Speaker B: I've just seen too many small planes and like, the NASCAR circuits that just end up. Goes down and we lose people tragically. So I don't know about. [00:45:32] Speaker A: I want to get rich enough to. [00:45:33] Speaker C: Get, like, make sure. Just make sure the weather's good. That's the key thing. [00:45:36] Speaker A: I still get rich enough to. [00:45:37] Speaker C: Hell of a helicopter, but, like, no overcast, guys. [00:45:40] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know if I can fly in, like, fog. I've been in an airplane flying to San Francisco where the airplane just dropped a thousand feet and the little things fall down. It's just a big air pocket and that shit's scary. [00:45:53] Speaker B: Worst one I ever was on. I don't know. We did. I did a touch and go in Milwaukee. Like, literally, we went down, hit the ground and went back up right away and did like a whole nother lap around Lake Michigan. And the pilot never said anything. This is like, what, like where you. [00:46:13] Speaker C: Guys are trying to land or what? [00:46:14] Speaker B: We landed, like, the back wheels hit and then they went back and they went back up. And I was just like. [00:46:22] Speaker C: And they. [00:46:22] Speaker B: They said nothing. And I'm like. And like, all of a sudden I look, I was like, we're going back up. And it was just like. It was just like a hard hit. And I was like, okay. And then we went back down again and Like, I'd be asking for free. [00:46:33] Speaker A: Drink vouchers after that. Like, guys, I want to baller Jack right now. [00:46:37] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. It was wild. [00:46:41] Speaker C: Back to Sports. [00:46:43] Speaker A: In other NFL news, Kelsey announced that he was coming back in 25. I personally don't give a shit, guys. What do you think? [00:46:54] Speaker B: Well, you don't because you're. You're the top Chiefs hater of the pods. [00:46:58] Speaker A: I'm not a hater. I'm not error levels here. [00:47:04] Speaker B: This team was undefeated, and you had him, like, fourth in the power rankings. [00:47:09] Speaker A: Have every right. Am I wrong for that? [00:47:11] Speaker B: Yes, because they at least were number two in the power rankings at the end of the season. [00:47:15] Speaker A: Who says? [00:47:17] Speaker B: All right, whatever. [00:47:20] Speaker A: Strength of schedule. [00:47:21] Speaker B: I think I. I think I. I don't want to say it's like a huge deal, but, like, everyone's basically been saying, oh, this guy's going to retire X, Y, and Z. But, like, I mean, you're talking probably the greatest tight end of all time at this point. [00:47:31] Speaker A: And do you think he is the greatest tight end at this point? Because I disagree. I think he's top 10, but I have five tight ends that I would rather put on ahead of him. [00:47:43] Speaker B: All right, well, you said five, so go ahead. Let's. Let's do. What were the five? [00:47:47] Speaker A: Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, pre. Murder. [00:47:53] Speaker B: No way. [00:47:54] Speaker A: Most definitely. Gonzalez, Gates, and I'll put Shannon Sharpie there. [00:48:13] Speaker B: Disagree on Hernandez. I guess you can make a case for the others. But I think you're talking, like, does he hold the receiving record for tight ends? [00:48:22] Speaker A: Well, you know, he committed murder, so. [00:48:27] Speaker B: I'm gonna talk about her as I'm talking about Kelsey. [00:48:29] Speaker A: Oh, I don't know. Actually, he's pretty close. Gaze was great. [00:48:34] Speaker C: Gates, I think, has the most touchdowns of tight ends. I think. I think Kelsey Kelsey has all the playoff records. [00:48:40] Speaker A: Yeah, he definitely has. Well, he has all receiving records. [00:48:43] Speaker C: He's behind what? [00:48:44] Speaker A: Well, no, he beat Jerry Rice and, like, touchdowns and yardage in the playoffs and wins. Whatever it is. [00:48:51] Speaker C: I think he's still behind him in yardage. Yeah, he basically passed him and everything. [00:48:55] Speaker A: Else, which is pretty impressive. And Gronkowski, he kind of took like, what, two retirements and into consideration. Big goofball. [00:49:02] Speaker C: But yeah, I mean, I agree. Roman, we were talking about this earlier today. I mean, I. I think Kelsey's probably somewhere between, like, 5 and 10 of all time. Greatest tight ends. [00:49:12] Speaker A: I get bothered when people say he's the best one. Oh, no. Maybe I hate her. [00:49:17] Speaker C: Maybe. [00:49:18] Speaker A: Right, Jason? [00:49:20] Speaker B: I. I mean, I just throw out a Argument. I'm looking receiving, receiving, tight ends. Tony Gonzalez, 15,000 yards. Kelsey, you got 12. [00:49:29] Speaker C: I mean, you got, yeah, I mean, we were talking, we had Tony Gonzalez, you had Antonio Gates, you had Gronk. Jason Wynn had a great career. Never got to the Super Bowl. [00:49:39] Speaker A: I don't know if I would put win. [00:49:40] Speaker C: We were talking about Dallas Clark when he was with the Colts. I mean, what he was doing there was. [00:49:44] Speaker A: Clark was really good. [00:49:46] Speaker C: So I would take Kelsey over Clark, but there's been a lot of. Shannon Sharp you mentioned. Really, really good. There's been a lot of good tight ends. But yeah, I mean, given Kelsey's longevity and what he's done in the playoffs, he's definitely top 10. You could pin him borderline between three and five or somewhere in that case. But I think Gonzalez and Gates are probably the two best tight ends. Along with Gronkowski, those would be the top three. [00:50:10] Speaker A: If we were on espn, people would call us idiots right now. [00:50:13] Speaker C: I don't give a what ESPN has to say. [00:50:15] Speaker B: I, I, I don't think so. I think, I think, I think you guys are starting the right. If you're looking at the stats right now, Tony Gonzalez, 15,000 yards, 111 touchdowns. So he's number one in yards, number two, TDs all time. You could probably put him as number one. Gates has 11,000 yards, 116 tight ends, most TDs all time. So cool. You can put him, you know, number two behind Gonzalez and then maybe you're looking at Kelsey, Whitten, Sharp, Gronk as like some order there, kind of behind there. Kelsey's got third most receiving yards and he has fourth most TDs. So like, I would say top five is an appropriate ranking when you're, when you're looking at kind of the company that he's in. So, I mean, you are hating a little Rome best of all time. Yeah, you could probably make an easy argument. He's not if you're going to see Tony Gonzalez. [00:51:03] Speaker A: But yeah, no, it'll be great to see him lose against the Bills next year. So I'm really excited for them to come back. [00:51:11] Speaker C: Other news in the NFL, what about your Bengals, man? [00:51:15] Speaker A: Hello, Bengals. [00:51:16] Speaker C: Aren't the Bengals going to be the ones that make the next leap? [00:51:20] Speaker A: You know, if they want to pay their players, we'll find out. John Gruden was reinstated into the ring of Honor for the Bucks. He was taken out for alleged emails. Well, I guess not alleged because it came out, but some, some highly sensitive. [00:51:41] Speaker C: He's back in. He's back in by the way, best. [00:51:44] Speaker A: Hire that Barstool sports has done. This guy is money on the pod. I wish we had money so we could have hired him to bring a bring on board but this guy's great, dude. I love him. I don't think he's a great coach. I think he's a great analyst, a great personality, a great motivator. I think that's where his money's at. So congrats. John Gridden. [00:52:10] Speaker B: Probably. Hey you. You flipped over. Other NFL note news though with the Chiefs though. [00:52:15] Speaker A: What's up? [00:52:16] Speaker C: That Smith. [00:52:18] Speaker B: Trey Smith. Yeah. Cause I mean as a Bears fan, I was looking at as number one free agent target for, for Caleb Williams for the offensive line now. So yeah, so they're tagging him. That's going to be, I mean that's a pretty, a pretty big piece taken off the board for teams looking to upgrade their offensive line. Good for Mahomes, but you know, that was, that was someone who was looking to be in free agency. [00:52:42] Speaker A: Good for Mahomes, but they've whipped on other draft picks recently on both sides of the ball, defense and offensive line. So they have to keep them guy's money. I imagine he'll play his whole career with Mahomes. Right. [00:52:56] Speaker C: So they want to keep him. I mean he's going to get paid, I think the franchise tax going to pay him 23.1 million which would make him the highest paid guard somewhere out there. [00:53:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:06] Speaker C: And the Chiefs by all accounts, most mock drafts, I think have them taken an offensive tackle which they need to upgrade because I mean bring Tooney back inside, get another offensive tackle and. Yeah. See what they do. See what they do. I mean they'll get Rice back, Kelsey Worthy, so we'll see what they do. I mean the Chiefs, they're going to be in the mix. They're not going anywhere. [00:53:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:32] Speaker A: That's all the NFL news. [00:53:33] Speaker C: I got Stafford, man, you don't want to talk Stafford. [00:53:37] Speaker A: Yeah. So the drama around Stafford and the Rams, supposedly there might be like some bad blood there. They had a tough negotiating round last year. He took more money, but that was borrowed from future years on his contract. So if he continues playing on that contract, it's basically he's not playing for any more money. He's actually taking a discount. So the point was to definitely renegotiate a new contract. The problem is I don't know why the Rams are not giving him a contract. Just pay him 50 million. It's only for two years. Who else? [00:54:08] Speaker C: Pretty much already wants three. [00:54:10] Speaker A: Three years? [00:54:11] Speaker C: Yes. [00:54:12] Speaker A: I would give him two years, not three. He's all. [00:54:15] Speaker C: That's, that's where it's coming in. The Raiders are willing to go three. From what I'm told, he doesn't look. [00:54:19] Speaker A: Like a Brady at that age. Hell, you know, no one is going to look like a Brady at that age for a long time. Like, who's gonna look like LeBron at this age ever again? Right. It's just like a lot of luck. The teams that benefit more or that he would benefit more by signing is a team just like the Rams. They got young players, they got young receiving corps, they got an up and coming defense, they got a up and coming offensive line, they got draft picks. They could revamp the offense. They got cap space. Where else is he going to go? The Bears? No, I'm sorry, not the Bears. The Browns? No, the Giants. Giants have a lot of talent. I still believe that that's like a potential, you know, wild card team. Despite how stacked that conference is, I, I still like the Giants. I just think it's, you know, it's just a little bit of bad luck last year, but that could be potential. But it's nowhere close to the Rams where the Rams were like seconds away from upsetting the Philadelphia Eagles. And who knows, there's like a scenario where like 6, maybe 4, 3, 3 out of 10 times they're going to the super bowl and winning that chip with the field that was in this year. Like, that's how good McVay is the coach. I know I talk a lot on McVeigh this year, but he's a good coach and, and they know how to game plan and they have a lot of good star athletes there and young talent. Like, what else are they going to do? Raiders are not going to be doing anything. Yeah, they got Carol, they got Tom Brady bringing people up to Montana, skiing and having some of that, you know, Yellowstone magic. [00:55:59] Speaker C: That's supposed to a run in, not planned a run in. Depending on who you talk to in Hillary. [00:56:05] Speaker A: I've never been to Montana, but I'm pretty sure not running to anybody in Montana. [00:56:09] Speaker C: Actually, Montana's popping right now. From my people that I've, that I've been talking to, it looks beautiful. [00:56:14] Speaker A: You know, I, I love a lot. [00:56:16] Speaker C: Of construction going on in Montana too. I got a lot of contractors up there right now. [00:56:20] Speaker A: You know, Kevin Costner's character probably hates you a lot. [00:56:24] Speaker B: It's, it's a real thing though, people watching Yellowstone, moving to Montana for that. There was a. I'VE seen articles of people of Montana just hating it because everyone's moving to Montana because of Yellowstone. [00:56:35] Speaker A: Dude, I'll. I was thinking about it too this today. I was like catching like an episode like, dude, I wouldn't mind having like a little five acre ranch. That's all I want. [00:56:44] Speaker B: The problem is it's not what they're building out there. They're. They're building the villain of season one and two. It's a guy bringing housing developments out there and just plowing through land. [00:56:54] Speaker A: Even if I move back to LA, I just want like a little 10 acre land. You know, have some cows, have some chickens, have some sheep. Slaughter one of them once in a while and I'm good to go. [00:57:04] Speaker B: Tons of those ranches out in Lancaster. [00:57:14] Speaker C: You get a lot of land out. [00:57:15] Speaker A: There going to Lancaster. I'm not doing anything. [00:57:18] Speaker C: Apparently. Apparently Bronnie and LeBron are doing hit and runs out there. Depending on who you listen to. [00:57:24] Speaker A: Whoa, whoa, dude. Yeah, I saw that. I don't have to believe in that. [00:57:31] Speaker C: I. I think it's BS but took. [00:57:35] Speaker A: Them two years to file something. [00:57:36] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:57:37] Speaker A: Yeah. That's it. Dude. Lakers. I am watching this game. I'm getting nervous. They led a 20 point lead. Get down to four. [00:57:47] Speaker C: What the T Ws do, man? Remember they were down 25 in the fourth quarter to K.C. we talked Monday and they rallied back so well. Dude, Lakers are going to win this game. [00:57:57] Speaker A: They're doing this without Anthony Edwards though. He just got his second technical in the game and he's going to face a session. [00:58:03] Speaker C: Yeah, they did it the same too. He didn't play in the fourth quarter. They. Yeah, they brought in all their bench guys. [00:58:10] Speaker A: How good they're. Bench. Like where's. [00:58:14] Speaker C: They got a lot of guys hurt. [00:58:15] Speaker A: Where's Randall? [00:58:16] Speaker C: He's hurt. He's got the same injury that AD has. [00:58:20] Speaker A: These guys are done. [00:58:23] Speaker C: So it's going around. It's like a bug or something. [00:58:26] Speaker A: Who wins that trade now? [00:58:28] Speaker C: Like which one? [00:58:31] Speaker A: The, the. The Randle Cat trade. Is that a draw? I think it's a draw. [00:58:39] Speaker C: I mean do. Is any one of them going to win a title? Probably not. I mean if you're. The Knicks are gonna get the three seed, right? I mean Minnesota is probably gonna be borderline playing game. So I'm gonna say the Knicks are gonna win it. [00:58:50] Speaker A: To be fair, I still think the Wolves are closer to winning a championship than the next are because they have ant. [00:58:58] Speaker B: Yeah, but the Wolves have a way. [00:59:02] Speaker A: Tougher road on the road again. [00:59:05] Speaker B: Well right now I'm just like, who? I mean the Celtics and the Cavs, maybe the, maybe the Bucks. But like other than that, like I. [00:59:16] Speaker A: Still give a Wolves a fighting chance against any team in the West. [00:59:19] Speaker C: I don't, I don't like the Wolves. I watch them. I, I'm not a big fan. I, I'm not a big fan of their coach, man. No, no. [00:59:27] Speaker A: Why not? [00:59:28] Speaker C: I just, I, I just watch Minnesota playing and their offense is terrible. They should call me up. I can, I, I want to fix the organization. I'm going to talk to a Rod. He's over here making half court shots at Bucknell. Halftime show. I'm gonna give him a call. [00:59:40] Speaker A: Is he? [00:59:42] Speaker C: Yeah, you didn't see that over the weekend he won some student like 10 grand for like a half court bang shot he made. [00:59:47] Speaker A: I heard about it, I didn't watch it. [00:59:52] Speaker C: All right, but what about Stafford, man? To your Steelers Rome. You mentioned everybody but the Steelers. [00:59:58] Speaker A: I don't know, I, I, I, I don't know. To be honest with you. I, I don't know if this was happened to Bears fans, but I kind of have an affinity for Fields. Want to give him a chance. He looked really nice apparently like all his scores coming out of college, like this guy like aced everything like cognizant wise. But that's the thing though. I don't know man. I'm kind of confused. They're not bringing Russell back. Feels they'll bring him back, but they don't want to give him the keys. Stafford does, does he make us better? Like he, he had a mediocre season. Is it going to be much better statistically? Like is it like more like a aura thing? Is it more like a, a leadership thing? You know, I don't know. [01:00:46] Speaker B: Where's the Rogers domino fall? [01:00:49] Speaker A: Well, like him going to the Rams, like they're not going to be better with Rogers. [01:00:53] Speaker C: Well, we talked about it. I mean where Rogers goes, likely devonte follows. So like I know Jason brought it up like a month or two ago and I thought it was right. I mean would the Steelers entertain Rogers for one year and sign Fields for like a three year deal with like certain packages to come in and then you get devonte for like, you know, a two, three year window as well with Pickens. [01:01:23] Speaker A: So I think Fields, the one quarterback that you could develop like a two quarterback system, like have him come in at least like 20 of the time because I, I like him that much. He's quick. [01:01:35] Speaker B: There's strengths. The witch with the Steelers play because when they were, when they were winning games, it was around the run game. But they're, they're letting Naji Harris go, right? [01:01:43] Speaker A: So I think so, yeah. [01:01:45] Speaker B: So, I mean, they're going to be stuck with, you know, with Warren and probably somebody else, but I think there's, there's value to the dimension of the offense that, that was there. I think, I mean I, I still like Justin Fields as a person. I think he handled everything great when he was in Chicago. He has incredible athletic ability and stuff. I think where he's at, it's really just like the, it's the timing and him getting rid of the ball in like progressions and stuff like that. It just isn't there. It's, it's a half step slow all the time, you know, and people need to be wide open. It's not the precision of hitting people in windows and just being that precision quarterback. And like, can he get there? Maybe? I, I just don't know, like who's just, who's going to develop him into that and is someone going to have. [01:02:30] Speaker A: Patience for it because he has like the, the mental awareness for it? Yeah, he's just like a little bit. [01:02:37] Speaker C: I mean, like Jason said, I mean, he's not trusting his eyes and instincts. [01:02:42] Speaker A: If he did that, he would be lights out, you know, like if he just. [01:02:46] Speaker C: The difference between the pro game and the college game is like being open in, you know, the pros is not the same as being open in college. [01:02:55] Speaker A: I know your guy's gonna eventually be open where you throw. [01:02:57] Speaker C: You got, you got to know coverages. You got to see that your guy already has leverage and then lead the ball right there in tight windows and throwing over the middle. I'm sure Jason could tell you this all the time. Like with Fields is an adventure. You don't know if it's going to be high, low, picked off. I mean he could, he's got a good arm. I mean he could run, he's have really athletic, but he just hasn't progressed that next level. Can he. I don't know. I mean, that was kind of the same thing with Lamar those first couple years and he's continued to progress and get better. So if you're the Steelers, if you're Tomlin, how long is that window? You got a good defense and I, I mean, I don't know. [01:03:36] Speaker A: This is not good though. We're already like five years after Roethlisberger. He provided so much stability for almost 20 years. You know, it's just like lifting his career even More on a pedestal. Like I liked him. I feel like we're two Super Bowls short of his career. But you know, two is pretty good too. Two out of three. Not to be like, you know, ungrateful of being a Steelers fan for the West Coast. [01:04:00] Speaker C: I mean, they got two out of three Rome. They lost. They lost, ironically to Rogers and the Packers. [01:04:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I remember that Super Bowl. [01:04:06] Speaker C: I remember that much. I think it was men and halls kept fumbling down ball away. [01:04:11] Speaker A: But yeah, yeah, I'm not sure about Stafford. I, I, I'm not sure if he would like it there. And it, it does get cold like the conditions he's in la. Even in Detroit, he was playing in a dome. I, I'm just not really seeing it. Although everything that he would need is theoretically in, in Pittsburgh it could work out. So I don't know. Don't know. I think the Rams would be dumb though, like to not pay in the 50 million. You don't want to go to Rogers. You already have a guy that's like somewhat decent. Just, just give him the money. [01:04:43] Speaker C: I, I was kind of just doing ironic scenarios before we came on the show. In my own head, writing stuff down in my own head. [01:04:50] Speaker A: I do that. [01:04:51] Speaker C: The, the, the Rams are interested in trading for the first round pick, the number six pick from the Raiders, so they could parlay the six and another pick to move up and get a young quarterback like a Cam Ward or somebody if they really maybe want to. [01:05:09] Speaker A: Unless you really think they're a franchise quarterback. But I wouldn't do that. [01:05:15] Speaker C: I do think, I do, I do think Cam Ward is a franchise quarterback. [01:05:18] Speaker A: I know you love Cam Ward. I think that might be your Jake Palmer pick. [01:05:24] Speaker C: Now you were, you were the one that was on Jake the Snake dude. [01:05:27] Speaker A: I know. That's why I said that might be your Jake Plumber pick. [01:05:31] Speaker C: But I, if they want to go that route or they could as I heard other, as I was hearing coward talk they could take if they trade stabber for the six, they could. The Rams actually want to trade back. They can load up on other picks and then you bring in Rogers. I don't know what is Jimmy Garoppolo still under contract with them? I'm not sure what that situation is. [01:05:53] Speaker A: He is. And McVeigh loves Garoppolo, believes he has a lot left in the tank. He's ready to go, so they might even just run with him. [01:06:03] Speaker C: So I mean, the Rams, I mean, I would pay Stafford for two years, but three years if the, if the Raiders are willing to do it and give me the sixth pick in the draft. And I know I can. [01:06:16] Speaker B: You really think he's worth the sixth pick in the draft though? Right now? [01:06:19] Speaker A: He's not a third round pick. [01:06:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I just, I think that's just like it's a, it's too hard. [01:06:23] Speaker C: I think the Raiders have no choice but to do it. I mean Pete Carroll's there now. They gotta win. [01:06:28] Speaker A: Now you don't give away fresh round picks like that for a guy that's. [01:06:32] Speaker C: About who are the Raiders taking a quarterback. [01:06:35] Speaker A: Right. Not even that close to a tough division. Like who cares? [01:06:38] Speaker C: That's what I. But why, why would, why hire Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly if you're not going to get the quarterback. Right, right now look, in that division without a quarterback, Raiders are not trying. [01:06:47] Speaker A: To win the super bowl right now. Their job is just to build and build something exciting. [01:06:52] Speaker C: I don't think this team's looking to be exciting. I think they're trying to win now. [01:06:56] Speaker B: But why, why would, why would you not Entertain signing Rogers versus trading the 6 pick to get Stafford? [01:07:02] Speaker A: I'd rather go get Rogers. [01:07:04] Speaker C: But does Rogers want to go play for you? He's, he's already made it known he wants to go to the Rams. That's the problem. [01:07:09] Speaker B: Maybe not. [01:07:10] Speaker C: And then you don't get devonte because he's not probably going back to the Raiders. [01:07:14] Speaker B: True. But I'm just, I'm just saying like giving up the 6 pick for Stafford, like he's not his value isn't a 6 pick right now you're getting, I mean I'm, it's not, it's not apples to apples but like you know, the Steelers gave away a six pick for Fields last year and so like you know, you're, and that's guy that had like marginal upside I guess. But as a young player, you're talking about like an aging quarterback that's at the, on the super decline of his career at this point. He's not demanding a first pick, let alone the sixth pick. [01:07:41] Speaker C: Overall, I, I would tend to agree with you, but this quarterback class is so weak. If you told me I could have Stafford or a Shador Sanders, I'm taking Stafford. [01:07:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:53] Speaker C: Because that's who they're probably likely going to take at the six and now you got the fourth best quarterback in the division for the next five years and Pete Carol's retired and out. If you're Pete Carroll, you're taking this job of Tom Brady to win. Now you need a, a quarterback. [01:08:11] Speaker A: Now they're Winning now, but I think. [01:08:16] Speaker C: They want to win now. That's their mindset. I mean, I, I agree. I would use that pick to try to build, but you got Pete Carroll's what, 73 years old. He signed a three year deal. You think Chip Kelly left Ohio State to work with Aiden O'Connell? These guys want a quarterback man to win now. [01:08:36] Speaker A: Look, to be clear, like, yeah, they want to win now, but they're not any position to win now. Even just getting to 500, it's going to be a big win. They're going to be pretty excited get another win after that to go to nine, to go to 10. They got like a pretty big window here. So the pressure is not to win the division. It's a tough division. I just think the pressure is more on building something exciting for players that want to go there. [01:09:00] Speaker C: I would tend to agree, but with the, with Pete Carroll as your coach, I don't think that's, I don't think that's the vision they have right now. I think if they look at what, I mean, you look at what the Chargers did last year from going five to 11 wins. If they can get like a Stafford or a Rogers, that would be great. Maybe that maybe they get in the Sam Darnold sweepstakes or whoever. But I think they want to win now because right now they got the fourth best quarterback in their own division. [01:09:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:09:28] Speaker C: And you could maybe argue they got the fourth best coach still in the division even though Pete Carroll is a Hall of Famer. So they won four games last year. I think they want to try to win seven, eight or nine and maybe sneak into a wild card or be two years there. And if you're going to give Stafford a three year deal, I would take Stafford three years over Shador Sanders as an experiment. Just go from there and if it fails, it fails. Start over again personally. But if they want to win now, if not, I would keep the sixth pick in, in the first round. [01:10:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I got nothing else to add. Jason, do you got anything else to add? [01:10:04] Speaker B: No, I mean, I just don't. I, I'm just not sold, I guess an era's premise of this win now thing. I think there's an improvement thing with Pete Carroll, but like the win now aspect, like, yes, so they need to be better. But like you talk about the Chargers like, hey, they had the franchise quarterback so like there was already be something there. Like I don't think Pete Carroll's coming. Yes, everyone wants to win a Super bowl, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But like Pete Carroll's coming in to change the culture of this organization and like start something from the ground up. Is the competitive, I don't think the competitive windows year one, it's going to be the end of kind of Pete's tenure. But you, yes, we need to make seismic improvements very quickly, but not win, win now. And I just don't know. I just don't know. Stafford. Stafford's probably better than Rogers from an age perspective. But like the value you're giving up in that pick, is that the right move? Is there other options out there? I don't know. [01:10:59] Speaker A: Their, their stats are really similar. I know Rogers looked really good in the last 10 games of the season. Stafford had a pretty big up and down year. He had a hell of a playoff. He almost pulled him back to upset the Eagles in the playoffs. [01:11:15] Speaker C: So I mean, yeah, I mean Rome, we talked. [01:11:19] Speaker A: I mean it happens. [01:11:20] Speaker C: They were 30 yards away from scoring a touchdown and an extra point away. So agree me. But we'll see. I mean, I, I, I think the Raiders are going in with the vision that they want to win now and win a Super Bowl. I don't, I don't think they're trying to build slowly and do a process like most teams would do. That's why Pete Carl signed the three year deal and that's why he's 73 years old. Like this is one last hoorah. And I think Brady, if you the stories are true, that he's recruiting Stafford out in Montana, like these guys are all in to try to win. [01:12:04] Speaker A: Let's wrap it up. Lakers win 111 to 102. Anthony Edwards ejected. He's gonna be suspended the next game. [01:12:12] Speaker C: What's he got, like 16 technicals already this year? Yeah, he must lead the league. [01:12:18] Speaker A: He does. [01:12:18] Speaker C: Draymond second, I assume. [01:12:20] Speaker A: I don't know. I'm kind of surprised that Ant, he's up there leads the league though, because, you know, it's Ant. But yeah, we didn't really talk about hockey, but maybe we could talk about it next time I want to throw a baseball. [01:12:38] Speaker B: I want to throw a baseball story out there really quick. [01:12:40] Speaker A: Okay. [01:12:41] Speaker B: With my Chicago White Sox. [01:12:42] Speaker C: The guy breaking his hand or what? [01:12:44] Speaker B: Oh, now Ben Intendi. Whatever there. No, no. A potential ownership change could be on the horizon and the White Sox could get a billionaire that's from Chicago. So Justin Ishbia, the brother and one of the minority owners of the Suns, is currently a minority owner for the White Sox and he was putting in a potential bid for the Twins. And it broke a little over a little less than a week ago that he backed off his offer for the Twins, is no longer in on buying the Twins and wants to increase, increase his share in the White Sox, which led many to believe that he would eventually want to take over majority share from Jerry Reinsdorf, his owner of the White Sox, which would, if he bought the team, he'd be the second richest owner behind Steve Cohen of the Mets. [01:13:37] Speaker A: I saw it on Reddit, I didn't know it was legit. [01:13:41] Speaker B: Yeah, he, it was, it was kind of a secret that he was even a minority owner in the team. Apparently it happened a while back and it just I guess wasn't public record or however this stuff works. But yeah, he was out there. And so it was, it was fairly interesting. And it's been, I don't know if it's said or long rumored that when Jerry Reinsdorf dies, his kids would sell the White Sox but keep the Bulls. And so because he's just Brian's Darf's just a big just baseball fan and just loves that aspect of the team. So I don't know, it's a question of whether he's willing to sell at this point is the biggest thing. But this would be probably the biggest gift ever as a White Sox fan. If you were telling me a guy with the amount of resources this has, probably with the, you know, business savviness and investment wise to get a new stadium for the White Sox and potentially, you know, investing more into like overall better infrastructure. And I'm not talking about him potentially spending a lot in free agency, maybe a little more, but at least building the right infrastructure. So I don't know. It was exciting news to be the only exciting thing about the White Sox this year, that maybe we get a big time owner that maybe spends some. [01:14:50] Speaker C: Money in baseball that's, that's a home run. That's what they call a home run. You get a billionaire owner that wants to spend some money. [01:14:56] Speaker A: What I know about that. [01:14:59] Speaker B: Okay. [01:15:00] Speaker A: Just kidding. It's so good being a Dodger said this year, hey, I, I hope what. [01:15:06] Speaker C: The but the Dodgers are doing in spring training carries over to the regular season. That that'd be nice. [01:15:10] Speaker A: You're an idiot. Quick question. So I was reading up on your Ishiba or Ishwa story and a fan on, on Red Reddit asked somebody, you know, the whole Red Sox community, which is better in your eyes, always contending but almost never winning at all or winning it every 10 to 20 years, but being a laughing stock otherwise. I thought it was a great question because this is a funny answer after that. [01:15:39] Speaker B: So do you ever win it when you're always attending or you're just like. [01:15:42] Speaker A: Just, you almost never win it. So you might win it once in a while, but yeah. [01:15:48] Speaker C: You want to win, man. You want to win. [01:15:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:55] Speaker A: There, there's a fan that answered. I'm a Vikings fan. I take the title every 10 to 20 years in a heartbeat. I don't know if you guys saw. There's a graphic that came out with like the most winningest teams and all the, the four major or five major sports, or at least the traditional four major sports since MLS is new and Vikings are like the fourth or fifth winningest ball club in all sports in the last 30, 40 years. [01:16:19] Speaker C: Well, the Vikings haven't been in the super bowl since, what, like, Super Bowl. [01:16:22] Speaker A: They haven't, they don't have any Super Bowls, which is impressive because they're the only ones. Everyone else has at least two or three championships and they're the ones that don't. [01:16:31] Speaker B: So the only, they're not the only ones. Jaguars and Panthers have never won. [01:16:36] Speaker A: There's other winning programs. Don't have one. Yeah, they're up there and they should definitely have a few in there. [01:16:42] Speaker B: So. [01:16:42] Speaker A: It's kind of funny. I, I, I don't want to be in the playoffs every year. It's boring. You know, I'd rather us sink the tank and then us compete for super bowl every five or six years. Being in the middle sucks. [01:16:57] Speaker B: Yeah, but it doesn't. I would, I think in the different sports, it's very different. I mean, you'd be talking like, in baseball, are you the Marlins. The Marlins have two titles in our lifetime, but pretty much every other year they're all laughing stuff. [01:17:08] Speaker A: I don't know, would you want that or would you rather be the White Sox fan? [01:17:12] Speaker B: I mean, that's what the White Sox had. They gave me a World Series in 2005. It was one of the best years of my life. You've had, you've had two or three other playoff experiences since. Otherwise they've been a middle of the road, 80 and 80 team. [01:17:25] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, so I think that's, I think that's where baseball is kind of going now. Like ownership groups, like, like the Mets, like Steve going like he's all in on Soto on these guys, like he's got a 15 year deal. But if you told them, like, hey, you can win one or two World Series in the next 15 years, like all these main market ownership groups will take that. Their fans should take that too. I mean, because you're like the Cleveland Guardians. I mean, they're kind of like, you know, they can't, they can't get over the hump. [01:17:56] Speaker A: They should. [01:17:57] Speaker C: If you told them, if you told them, like, hey, you could have one World Series every 25 years and being like 20% of all postseasons, I think 90% of all teams would take that. Outside of probably the Yankees and Dodgers, the big, big market teams, the Guardians. [01:18:15] Speaker A: I just, I don't like the logo. [01:18:17] Speaker C: Even the Phillies have what, one World Series in what, 1980, in 2008. [01:18:22] Speaker A: Wait, I thought, I thought Philly won re. [01:18:25] Speaker C: Recently they got to the World Series and got beat by Houston, but the last one they won was against Tampa Bay. I want to say was 0809. [01:18:33] Speaker A: They beat the Dodgers in the NL. Huh? Yeah, I didn't like Philly for a long time. It was hard. [01:18:42] Speaker C: I mean, the Braves, you got what, 95 in 2021. So I'm happy with that. Should have been a lot more. But screw you, Jeter. [01:18:53] Speaker B: I mean, the Braves are the all. I think the probably the perfect of. Of what you're talking about. [01:18:58] Speaker A: Braves and Dodgers. [01:19:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:19:02] Speaker A: Since I've been born, they've never been a bottom seat team. [01:19:06] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, I think the Braves were more competitive. I think there were some years in your. [01:19:11] Speaker C: The Braves were 14 straight NL East. [01:19:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:19:15] Speaker C: With one World Series and beaten. What? I mean, they lost that great Series against the Twins. Seven games. I was just, I was just a kid, kid then. But I mean, what, smoltz pitched what, 10 innings and lost one zero or whatever. It was some crazy stat. The Yankees beat us twice in the World Series. So. Yeah, I mean, if you told me I could have that versus like being the Guardians or somebody like that, I don't know, I would take it. [01:19:45] Speaker A: I don't know. Well, you are taking it. So. Yeah, I don't know. [01:19:48] Speaker B: I think there's a third option in there because I think you have like, you have like a Yankees who have won all these World Series, you have the Marlins who've won two World Series, but then they're just crap every other year. But then you have for like a decade. [01:20:03] Speaker C: They're crap like a decade. Yeah. [01:20:05] Speaker B: Or you have the Braves who are like, hey, we're always competitive and every once in a while we win a World Series. Like that. That'd be the ideal thing where every year you feel like you have a chance and Then there's a couple years you break through and do. But just going from, hey, this is shit and a waste of the season. Like as a. As a White Sox fan, like I'm. Aaron's trying to get me excited about fantasy baseball right now. And I don't give a crap about baseball because the White Sox are gonna lose 110 games again this season. [01:20:28] Speaker C: Jason. That's why I have you in a national league only. You don't need to watch the White Sox. You don't need to watch them. Dude. I'm doing you a favor here. [01:20:35] Speaker B: You are? [01:20:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Jason, Aaron are in the national leagues only fair Fantasy football league or baseball league. A lot of hate on Jerry on this Reddit feed right here. It's pretty amazing in Rome. [01:20:50] Speaker C: Like I. I don't know. You brought up. I'll just bring. Go back to the scenario now where you were talking about Florida State. Yeah, 2 and 10 in football this year, but I'll still take that 2014 national title. The last BCS national title. I'll take that in the 2 and 10 year and get. Get us back to another playoff run here in the next couple years. I'll take it, man. [01:21:10] Speaker A: I do have a clip of you saying that they're going to be back in the playoff next year. [01:21:14] Speaker C: I think they're going to be in the hunt. No doubt about it. [01:21:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm surprised that we had nothing on the schedule to talk about really today. And we still pump out our half podcast. This is. It's for the records here. [01:21:29] Speaker B: I didn't even get to nascar. The kickoff of the Indy cars. [01:21:32] Speaker A: We talking about hockey. Hockey. Guy, I was depending on you to. I want to talk about my Red Wings here. [01:21:37] Speaker B: Sorry, man. I was wearing my Arrow McLaren hat. We got the Indy car season kicking off in St. Petersburg. [01:21:42] Speaker A: That's what it is. I've been wanting to know what that was. [01:21:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Errol McLaren, Team Penske, Chip Gassy, all the Indy car guys, man. Started the IndyCar season this weekend, so. [01:21:52] Speaker A: Yeah. So my nanny's boyfriend, He's a big F1 guy, man. This guy, I think he's all over Hamilton's dick just as much as you are, Jason. Like, you guys are going to have a great time. We're going to get him on the podcast. [01:22:02] Speaker B: All right. [01:22:03] Speaker A: Gobble that thing up. Ferrari dick all day. We're having a great time. [01:22:07] Speaker B: Formula One testing in Bahrain today too, man. It's just so much great stuff out there. Yeah, just a little. Little testing. Couple days testing right now. So we'll See. [01:22:17] Speaker A: Did you watch NASCAR this past weekend? [01:22:19] Speaker B: I watched a little bit of it. You know, was a little predisposed. Some tight, tight racing there at the end. Little con. I don't say controversial finish but there was of a crash in the last lap and so the. It was kind of like who was ahead when the yellow went out. [01:22:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:34] Speaker B: So Christopher Bell won the race. So. [01:22:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:37] Speaker B: Little racing in little racing Atlanta. We'll see some more NASCAR this weekend. [01:22:41] Speaker A: Cool Deal. Are you gonna watch NASCAR this weekend, Aaron? [01:22:46] Speaker C: Not likely. I. I am, I am gearing up for the Formula one Australian Grand Prix though next week. [01:22:53] Speaker A: What day is that? What day is that officially? [01:22:56] Speaker B: The Australian Grand Prix, I believe. [01:23:00] Speaker A: Jason, we want you to throw a party. A little watching party. Your house. We're going to come over. [01:23:05] Speaker B: Well, see the problem with that is that Formula one is very early. [01:23:10] Speaker A: Just do it. I'll. I'll make breakfast. [01:23:12] Speaker C: Australia is like 11 hour time difference. [01:23:14] Speaker B: Actually Australia could be the right one because the race is at 9. 00pm on the 15th. [01:23:22] Speaker A: That's a Sunday. So. [01:23:23] Speaker B: So that's a Saturday because it's Sunday morning in Australia. So that's a. [01:23:31] Speaker A: Two weeks. [01:23:32] Speaker B: Yeah, two weeks. It's getting close. [01:23:35] Speaker C: We got, we got what next is it next week we got daylight savings kicks back into gear. [01:23:40] Speaker A: Really? [01:23:40] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it is. [01:23:41] Speaker A: What are we saving for? [01:23:44] Speaker C: We're springing ahead losing an hour. [01:23:49] Speaker A: Stupid. It's all stupid. [01:23:54] Speaker B: So. [01:23:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean you got the Australian Grand Prix and then what? Then you got St. Patty's Day. [01:23:58] Speaker A: Like a couple days after St. Patty's Day. Dude, St. Patty's Day in San Francisco is wild. They do this citywide bar crawl. [01:24:06] Speaker C: It's on a Monday, so it's gonna be wild on a Monday. [01:24:08] Speaker A: All the girls are wearing like leprechaun outfits and everyone's wearing like leprechaun hats. All the Irish bars are, are popping. They jack up the price at all the Jameson of the city. It's like. [01:24:23] Speaker C: You'Re gonna be working that Monday or what? [01:24:27] Speaker A: No one's gonna be coming into our. Yeah, we don't get that crowd. But no, I might try to take it off. I do like the type of people that go out for St. Patty. St. Patty's Day. Good crowd. [01:24:47] Speaker C: The joys of the world, right? [01:24:48] Speaker B: I guess we could save that for post St. Patty's Day so Rome can break down the type of people that go on St. Patty's Day. [01:24:55] Speaker A: Oh, it's. It's a lucky day for Uncle Rome. If my nephews are listening. Uncle Rome loves St. Patty's Day. [01:25:03] Speaker C: Yeah, St. Patty's Day has actually been pretty good in the past for me, too. [01:25:07] Speaker A: Not gonna lie. Uncle Rome loves a pale skinned girl with freckles, red hair, drinking Jameson and PBRs. Nothing wars in my heart more than that. All right, we're done with the pod, guys. [01:25:26] Speaker C: Make sure you hit the stop. Stop record. [01:25:29] Speaker A: Yeah, that'll do it. We out.