2025 NFL Preview Part 1: AFC

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Guys, welcome back. We made it a full year last year. If you've been with us since day one. We debuted with a two part podcast about three hours long on the eve of the NFL season kicking off. We've been doing it for a year. In case you missed it, we did the cultural preview that came out over the weekend as well as Formula one for the second half and we are back. I guess you can consider this Season two. That's what we're calling it. Year two of the Pod Source from the Sofa. We will be bringing a few more guests throughout the year, inviting some people to go against the guys for some NFL picks. I'm excited for that. For this special two part pod though it does go another three hours or so almost. We'll be covering the afc, then the nfc. Break it down by division one through four, who's going to win six, some long shot odds to make the playoffs as well. We go through the seating for each conference. We stop short. We don't give any super bowl picks yet. We'll be doing that in week one when we begin our weekly NFL lines every Thursday, Friday kind of depends on the day or what we got going on the schedule, but that will be coming on weekly. So you can get out your notepad, your pen and place those bets on your platform of preference. So excited for that. So without further ado, we welcome you to join Jason, Aaron and myself, Rome. I had sources from the sofa. Don't go anywhere. It is time to kick off year two at sources for the Sofa. Last year we started our first podcast previewing the NFL season, AFC and nfc. We went through every division and so forth. I think it was right before week one. We're gonna do the same thing except we are probably a week ahead of schedule from last year, which is kind of nice. We're recording Tuesday evening, August 26th, just right before 9:00'. [00:02:01] Speaker B: Clock. [00:02:02] Speaker A: Hopefully get this out the next day and we're gonna go over every division, break it down, winners, losers, predictions, who we got going to the playoffs, winning the conferences and winning the super bowl of course. So I'm excited. Hopefully you guys are excited. Year two Sources from the SOFA is going down. We're going to start with the afc. We'll go east to west and break it down division by division and then conference overall. So let's start with the AFC East. We're going to go, we got Buffalo Bills, New England Patriots, Miami Dolphins, New York Jets. I don't know if you guys are listening on the pod. If you guys got your Overs and unders, but we got at least I got what's listed here on like who's favor to win. I don't have the wins total, but I'm going by FanDuel. Buffalo Bills favored minus 270. Then Pats at plus 550. Dolphins plus 700. Jets a long shot at plus 1600. Do you guys have the over and under win totals for those teams? [00:03:08] Speaker B: I got them for you. Rome. So Buffalo is at 11 and a half, Miami seven and a half, New England eight and a half, and the lonely New York jets five and a half. [00:03:22] Speaker A: So that's 11 and a half. Eight and a half. Seven and a half. [00:03:26] Speaker B: Yeah. So seven and a half for Miami, eight and a half for New England, five and a half for the Jets. [00:03:32] Speaker A: Wow, that is crazy. [00:03:35] Speaker B: And FanDuel, you said it's got the Buffalo, what at minus 270 to win the division. [00:03:40] Speaker A: Minus 270. [00:03:40] Speaker B: That's pretty good. My book's got it at minus 310. So that's pretty good for FanDuel right. [00:03:45] Speaker A: Now, I guess let's go with the win totals first. Like, I can't remember how we did it last year, but I think we picked. [00:03:54] Speaker B: I know, I think we talked about, you know, Jason could jump in, but just kind of picking the pecking order of how we think the conference or division is going to finish and then if there's any whatever surprise over, under which one you like, particularly over the other, you know, kind of go with that. [00:04:11] Speaker C: Yeah, I guess I can chime in at this point, if you're going to pick the way the division finishes. I, I do remember this division specifically on what we talk. I don't remember much about last year's pot as we recorded this division. [00:04:24] Speaker B: I'd rather delete from the. [00:04:25] Speaker C: I'd rather delete that. You know, out of all the things that we got right last year, I will say this was the one I got wrong. And I'm willing to say in the first segment of this podcast for the 2025 NFL football season that I did get that wrong in 2024. Because a year ago we had the Buffalo Bills losing Stefan Diggs losing offensive weapons. And the question that was posed to the masses of Josh Allen was going to be, can he be the franchise quarterback like Tom Brady before him in generations that he can elevate the skill players around him and have a good team when salary cap comes into play, player turnover happens, you lose some of those stars you have and the playmakers around that quarterback. At least I Aaron, I think you were with me on this. We were questionable. The Buffalo Bills, they maybe missed their window. Well, the Buffalo Bills proved us all wrong. They dominated this division proverbs pretty much the entire season and then ran into the familiar foe in the playoffs that they haven't been able to Overcome with Patrick McCombs and the Chiefs. However, I think Josh Allen proved us, you know, proved us all wrong. For anyone who was doubting them last year, I think this Buffalo Bills team easily wins this division as the odds would say. You said it's at eleven and a half. [00:05:38] Speaker B: Aaron is at eleven and a half. You know, I went through their schedule. I leaned towards them getting a at least 12 wins. The schedule seems pretty, pretty reasonable for them to get 12 wins. So I would lean towards over 11 and a half. [00:05:52] Speaker C: I'm gonna agree with you on that too given they're gonna play the jets twice and we'll get more into the Dolphins than the Patriots gonna be. But I think, you know, two wins versus the jets and probably two wins versus the Dolphins if I'm, if I'm gonna betting man in that one. The Patriots, you know, spoiler alert. I think the Patriots are in my opinion in Vegas and is obviously backing us up was that that the Patriots are gonna be much improved with their new coaching staff that they have in place in year two of the Drake May piece. But I'll, I'll side with Aaron on that that if it's 11 and a half, I think you're taking over on the Bills and running away with this division. You have the Patriots, I think coming up from, you know, did they finish third or fourth last year? I can't remember how bad this bottom of the division was. [00:06:33] Speaker B: Patriots finished last. Right. I mean the jets just got a little hot home cooking. Did the jets still win seven games? We talked about how dysfunctional they were and they still managed to win seven games. Roman mentioned that it was the same victories that Zach Wilson had won the previous year. 7. [00:06:48] Speaker C: So yeah, yeah that could, that could have been but I, I, I think a lot of people are on this. I agree with them that when you look at the variable teams of the Titans that get it was one of those teams you didn't understand when variable was coaching is like how are these guys winning 10 games, 11 games? Like, you know, you just never know. And I think the Patriots got enough pieces in place where they'll make it competitive. They, they'll have one of the better wins increases year over year and I expect them to finish second the division But Dolphins, a year ago I was feeling the Dolphins, I thought they were going to be the ones to displace the Bills as top of the AFC east, but their season fell off the rails early. The offense, which was supposed to be so, you know, the strength and core of this team. You still think about that game versus Baltimore a couple years ago where, I don't know, they played like 70 on Baltimore, like in an early September game or something like that. [00:07:42] Speaker B: Yeah, they put 70 on the Broncos. Yeah, the Broncos. Yeah. Sean Payton called it one of the worst ass weapons he's ever taken on a Sunday. [00:07:51] Speaker C: But. But yeah, the Dolphins, the entire preseason, it just, I think a lot of questions with them. They played my Bears in one of their early. I know we're not supposed to talk about preseason games, but like they lost to the bears, like 38 nothing. They had a practice in Chicago prior to the game where I think the players were fighting themselves on the Dolphins side. Like they had two defensive players fighting each other. Went and played the. The Lions and the Lions were even, you know, I think ran them over. Give a lot of feedback on where the Dolphins were at. And as much as I like Mike McDaniel, you know, his, the first couple years and you know, the, the offense that he was able to bring to Miami and change around quickly and really, you know, move the narrative around Tua, where there was a lot of talking about TUA being a bus and you're able to see, you know, how good he was and taking Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle into different places. But the team was a mess last year. It doesn't seem like it's gotten any better. You know, I know what Tyreek asked for. Trade, didn't get it. And, and the defensive side, I don't know, Aaron, in the NFL, they may have the worst secondary in the NFL, at least from a cornerback perspective. In Miami. I was looking at the depth chart overall. Aaron, do you know the starting cornerbacks for the Dolphins are. [00:09:00] Speaker B: Well, I do know. It's no longer Jalen Ramsey, I can tell you that. [00:09:03] Speaker C: Not Jaylo. [00:09:04] Speaker B: Outside of him, I, I can't think of some names. There's some names, but they're not popping up right now. [00:09:09] Speaker C: Well, Raul Douglas is one of them. [00:09:11] Speaker B: Well, he's, he's a washout from Buffalo in Green Bay. [00:09:14] Speaker C: So you have that make a. Fitzpatrick at free safety was who they got for Jalen and that's maybe like the highlight of it. [00:09:20] Speaker B: I think, I think he's been, I think he's been grading down As a safety. If you look at the film the last couple years, he's, he's been turning downward. [00:09:26] Speaker C: I think that's what the Steelers thought too when they trade into the right cornerback. On the depth chart that I saw was Storm Duck. [00:09:35] Speaker B: Storm Duck, Storm Duck. I couldn't tell you what college he came from. Even if you gave me a multiple choice on that one. [00:09:43] Speaker C: I had to look it up because I thought ESPN was playing with me. But he went to Louisville. He's in his second season. [00:09:48] Speaker B: Okay. [00:09:49] Speaker C: But I think overall this is a weakness of this team. You got Bradley Chubb up front. I know he's been is, you know, kind of in and out of the lineup and maybe they haven't seen the production, but I think he's just getting overall, you know, double teamed and he's the focus of or that Dolphins team defensively. But I just think the question marks and the drama right around this team and what they're going to be offensively, they're a team mainly posed for the hot start. The offense gets rolling in September. You always see these high soaring games. You know they play a few games at home in Miami where it's like the surface of the sun and the away teams are like got no shade over at that stadium down in South Florida. But you know, if we're going to be wrong anywhere, it could be Miami's better. They finished second in the division and overtake the Patriots. But I'm not seeing it. I think this is a team that's, that's regressing. [00:10:37] Speaker A: You're doubling down with Miami again, huh? [00:10:40] Speaker C: I'm doubling down that they're being bad. Yeah, well, last year, Last year's last. [00:10:46] Speaker B: Year, man, let's not get that. [00:10:47] Speaker C: I'm not, I'm not doubling down. It I. A lot, a lot of concerns and questions on this Dolphins team and as much as I do like Mike McDaniel, I don't think it's there for a team that's basically going to be hovering around.500 in this division and you get a better Patriots team. I don't think their schedules that particularly easy. If you look through, you know what they're going to be going through. You know, they're going to have, they're going to have the Chargers, they got to play Baltimore. They're going to go playing Washington. [00:11:18] Speaker B: They've got, they've got a four game stretch of Atlanta, Baltimore, Buffalo, Washington. Yeah, middle of the season. Oh, and four, one and three at best. [00:11:29] Speaker C: I mean Atlanta is probably the game that, you know, they Might. [00:11:31] Speaker B: And that's at Atlanta. And it's at Atlanta. [00:11:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:34] Speaker B: Not easy. Not easy to win down there in the dirty South. [00:11:37] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean they're lucky they get Baltimore, Buffalo, Washington at home. But what sucks for them this is in October, it's not in September. So you don't really get the South Miami or South Florida. [00:11:46] Speaker B: Not only that, those are all outdoor stadium teams to begin with. [00:11:49] Speaker C: So. [00:11:50] Speaker B: So and as you mentioned, the weather will be what, 82, a little humid but not nothing like compared to 95 and humid. [00:11:57] Speaker C: No. So I, you know, just, I think this is a team that a lot of people have question marks on. I think they're all valid for what it's going to be. And now you're, you're, you get off to. They start maybe lucky with an Indianapolis team and we'll get to them later that they got Daniel Jones at quarterback and I this continues the merry go round of quarterbacks in Indianapolis. So maybe they start one and oh and then they get the Patriots at home week two and then maybe that's where they can maybe prove it. But then they got to go at Buffalo in week three on a Thursday and a Thursday night. So they, they're poised for a potential, they could be good at the beginning. You know, maybe they're you know, three and two, four and one potentially because they got Indy, England, New England, the Jets, Carolina and Buffalo in those first five. But then you're gonna have the Chargers maybe get one at Cleveland and then that four game stretch you're talking about. So I mean a lot of questions with Miami, I think they're third and then I'll round it out with the jets finishing fourth. We're in a total rebuild with the jets right now. I don't think you're expecting a ton of them in this first year under this new coaching staff. And so I think they're just going to be basically be the doormat for this division and fit and bringing up the rear. So. [00:13:06] Speaker A: Wow. So I guess the Lions has moved a little bit. Bills over under is 12 and a half now patriots and dolphins are tied at seven and a half. Although the odds are a little bit different on the over unders. Jets bottom at five and a half unanimous. We got Bills winning. That's correct. [00:13:27] Speaker B: I'm jumping back on the the bandwagon. Yeah, Bills are going to win the division. I think the division overall is not great. Patriots, they got big actually. I mean it depends on what Drake May becomes. I mean we saw flashes of brilliance from him early late last Year. Can he stay upright? I mean, he's got concussion problems. He had one in college that kind of knocked him out. He had one here in the pros and so I, I worry about that. They don't. I'm not sure who their backup quarterback is right now. Do you know who it is? Jason for the jets, for the Patriots? [00:14:00] Speaker C: I don't know. Who is it? Is it Bailey Zappy still or Zappy? [00:14:04] Speaker B: I think was. He was just. He was cut. Wasn't even. For the Bears. Fourth team quarterback of your Bears? [00:14:09] Speaker C: I'm not sure. I don't know. I only, I've only looked at. I mean, we, we signed. The Bears signed an extension for their backup quarterback, so I'm pretty only tied to it at 1D. [00:14:16] Speaker A: Why they make such a big fanfare about that? [00:14:19] Speaker C: I don't know. A lot of questions. We'll get to the Bears later. I don't want to talk. [00:14:21] Speaker A: We'll get to them later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:14:24] Speaker B: So, I mean, I, I'm going to go Buffalo to win the division. I got the Patriots second. I'm gonna agree with Jason on that one. The upside there is good. They've had a good defense. Mike Raybould's a good coach. Offensively, they've added some weapons. I like what they got. Henderson in the draft out of Ohio State. That gives him a little pop in the backfield and he's a guy that can catch. They brought in Diggs. They need more speed at wide out. That kind of worries me. Miami. [00:14:50] Speaker C: Josh, hold on. For you. Josh Dobbs, backup quarterbacks, man. [00:14:54] Speaker B: Okay. [00:14:54] Speaker A: He's, he's, he's, he's good in, in spots. [00:14:58] Speaker C: Yeah, those couple games in Arizona. [00:15:00] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's not much of an upgrade over Jacoby Brissette. So it's. We'll. We'll see how that plays out. Miami. [00:15:08] Speaker A: So you got Dolphins third. [00:15:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I got Miami third. Their schedule, I mean, we talked about it. I mean, early in the year, like Jason said, they could get the 3 and 2, 4 and 1. They're going to have to because they got that middle stretch. We mentioned Atlanta, Baltimore, Buffalo, Washington. Then the end of the year, Jets, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Tampa Bay, New England. I've got, I've got the Jet, I've got the Dolphins under seven and a half wins. That's where I'm leaning. I'm not a big fan of theirs, really. I think their coach is probably going to get canned. Maybe he can go to reunite in San Francisco like every other coach that gets fired Goes back to Kyle Shanahan. So maybe that's a marriage that's waiting to happen again. And then the Jets, I think the Jets I like under five and a half. I think they win three or four games. This could be a bad football team. I do not believe in Justin Fields. I do not like, I do not like Aaron Glenn. I thought maybe he was one of the worst head coaching hires in the off season. I'm not a big fan of what New York's doing. The reset button is going to be hit again there in about another year or two. So I got Buffalo, New England, Miami, Jets. That's my pecking order. [00:16:10] Speaker A: You got Patriots above or below seven and a half. [00:16:14] Speaker B: I got there, I got them at eight and a half wins here. On my total, I'm neutral. I, I, I think they can win eight to nine games. I, I don't really have a strong read on that either way. Their schedule opened up with Vegas, Miami, Pittsburgh, Carolina. They get some winnable games, but they're on the road with New Orleans, Tennessee. [00:16:36] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll come back to it. [00:16:40] Speaker B: I don't like it. It's not one of my better bets. It's not something I'll be placing action on. Jason, doesn't make my. [00:16:47] Speaker C: Winning the division. [00:16:49] Speaker A: Just your pecking order one through four. [00:16:51] Speaker C: Patriots, I'm sorry, Bills, Patriots, Dolphins and Jets. I happen to be looking at the Patriots schedule. Aaron threw me for a loop. But yeah, Bills win this division easily. I think looking at the schedule, if you're looking at the, the Bill schedule pre bye week, I mean they have the tough Week 1 matchup with Baltimore on Sunday night's gonna be the prime. But then they follow that week seven by week's week seven. But they got, after Baltimore, they got the Jets, Dolphins, the Saints, the Patriots and then the Falcons. Like they're gonna get three division games out of the way, straight up on a division that's not great. The Saints, who could be the worst team in the NFL. Falcons, who know what you're gonna get. Like they, they got, you know, and then out of the bye week they're getting Carolina, which they probably destroy coming out of the bye week going into the Chiefs game. So like you got, you got an early, you know, two months here for, for the Bills to really lock this down and put it away. [00:17:44] Speaker A: As far as Dolphins go, you got over, under seven and a half. [00:17:48] Speaker B: I'm under, I'm under. [00:17:49] Speaker C: I know. [00:17:50] Speaker B: I got you, Aaron. [00:17:52] Speaker C: Aaron's under, man. [00:17:53] Speaker B: He's taking, hey, let me see that. Let me See that yellow legal pad? That looks pretty good on you, dude. Looks pretty good on them. [00:17:59] Speaker A: It's a mini legal pad. I got it, got, got it from Aaron's house the other day. He has a stack of them. [00:18:07] Speaker B: I'm handing those out on Halloween, just so you know. It comes over Reese's Pieces in a snicker bar. [00:18:12] Speaker A: I fucking believe you. I actually believe that you would do that. Official source of the sofa legal pad. All right. [00:18:20] Speaker C: Seven and a half. You said seven and a half, right? Is that what you're going with? Yeah, I'm gonna agree with Aaron because I think they probably get seven. I think they're probably a seven and ten team. [00:18:29] Speaker A: Dolphins. [00:18:30] Speaker C: Dolphins, yep. [00:18:32] Speaker A: Jets. [00:18:34] Speaker C: What was it? Six and a half? [00:18:36] Speaker B: Five and a half. [00:18:37] Speaker A: Five and a half. Oh, I'm actually going against you guys on this one. [00:18:42] Speaker C: No, I'm gonna, I'm gonna agree with Aaron on this. I think, I think the jets are going to be pretty bad and I'm gonna take the under as well. [00:18:48] Speaker A: Wow, Patsy. Seven and a half. [00:18:53] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that's, I think that's one. I like to take in the over. [00:18:57] Speaker B: Seven and a half. I take the over. [00:18:59] Speaker C: Didn't you say it was eight and a half? [00:19:00] Speaker B: My book, I got at eight and a half. So that's why I'm, I'm neutral. I think I got the seven. I would take over seven and a half. Every book is different. I looked at the odds earlier on mine. That was eight and a half. So I put it in for neutral. I, I, I would not, I would not touch that. [00:19:15] Speaker A: So to push Farron, I think I. [00:19:18] Speaker B: Could see him easily winning eight, seven, nine games, but I would take over seven and a half. If you're get, if you can get that at Fanduel, wherever you're seeing that. [00:19:25] Speaker A: At Rome, I'm getting a mix of Fanduel and double checking on the Latest updates from NFL.com so I got a little bit different. I do got the bills going number one. If it's at 12 and a half, it's kind of, I think it's going to be a tough season for a lot of teams. I really don't see a lot of people going over that, but I do slight edge got on the over. I got Pats getting second. I have the jets coming in third with the Dolphins being last. And I agree with you, Aaron. Coach, Coach Mike ends up back in San Francisco eventually in some capacity in a year from now. I think he might be fired within within like week eight. [00:20:06] Speaker C: The early preview of Rome's hot seat Coaches hot seat right now. [00:20:09] Speaker B: Rome's hot seat will come out here in a week and a half after week one's over. [00:20:13] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, got him on there. But as far as, like, playoff odds, though, Bill's, you know, heavy favorites, minus 700. Patriots and Dolphins kind of go against what you guys are saying. They're both +160. What do you guys think? [00:20:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, we, we usually there's what, at least three to five new playoff teams. I don't see. I don't see a team from the AFC making the playoffs that wasn't out of the ordinary. So just Buffalo for me, comes out of the, out of the AFC east as a playoff team. The other three don't make the playoffs. [00:20:46] Speaker A: I think if there's like, any anomaly, I could see the Patriots in some capacity. But I, I got to go through the whole thing with you guys right now. But I, I do kind of have. [00:20:53] Speaker B: Like, I mean, I. We'll see. I mean, Drake may, may be really, really good, but let's be realistic. The offensive weapons he has to play. [00:21:01] Speaker A: With are not nice. [00:21:03] Speaker B: And the division itself isn't great, but their conference out of conference, I mean, they got, you know, was it start with Vegas, Baltimore, Cincinnati, they got Pittsburgh, they got that AFC North. So that's probably. If they could go two and two split there, that'd be great. But you're probably looking more like at a 1 and 3. [00:21:24] Speaker C: Yeah, it's going to be tough. I think. I think what sides of this game shake out that plays in the Patriots flavor to make the playoffs. If you. And we'll talk about toughest divisions, but AFC west could be talking about the best division in football. AFC north right up there, too. And so both of those divisions got three out of four teams. They're going to be vying for the playoffs. I think it, the, the question is going to be the shakeout in those divisions is like, how much do they cancel each other out? Where like last year we were pronouncing Cincinnati dead for about, I don't know, 10 weeks or something like that when they were just. [00:21:56] Speaker B: We still got that right. Yeah, we still got it right. [00:21:59] Speaker C: We were right. But I mean, I think those are, those are the scenarios where, like, one of those teams is hanging on and how much do they take out with some, like, questionable losses. And I think that's how the Patriots would get in. But they're the fringe team. I think that would make the playoffs out of this, potentially out of that division. [00:22:15] Speaker B: I Mean, realistically, they got to get to 10 wins, right? I mean, 10 is kind of the magic number to have any shot at the playoffs, because I don't see a division winner in the AFC finishing below.500. So do we see the Patriots getting to 10 wins? I mean, you said the total. The total is anywhere between seven and a half, eight and a half. So that's, you know, almost. Almost 15 to 25% more projected wins than your total is right now. That. That's a lot to ask for a young team. New coach, though he's been a veteran coach in the NFL, but taken over a team that, let's just be realistic. It's been an organization, been rebuilt for. [00:22:47] Speaker A: The last few years, I think. As far as, like, top heavy the AFC is. Yeah, it's gonna probably be 10. NFC. [00:22:56] Speaker B: NFC. Yeah, we'll get to it, but, yeah. [00:22:58] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, AFC north, we have the Baltimore Ravens, the Cincinnati Bengals, the Pittsburgh Steelers, and the Cleveland Browns. Ravens right now, over, under is 11 and a half, plus 100. Bengals 10 and a half, minus 145, which are the same odds as the Steelers for eight and a half. And then Browns are last at over, under five and a half wins, favored at minus 105. I could go over division numbers as well of whose favorite, but I didn't really quite write all those down just yet. [00:23:41] Speaker C: Yeah, if you're looking, we just talked about one of the best divisions in football. Baltimore at it, I think, wins the division. You're talking about one of three teams that's been topping this conference for quite a long time with Buffalo and Kansas City. Cincinnati last year just got off to that horrendous start, but there's a team that should be able to bounce back, make the playoffs. But it's one of those teams where, man, they are just so. They're so top heavy in the stars that they have in the question, the Bengals. Yeah, I'm sorry, I don't like what I'm seeing. And so. And that's where you're put in. And we get to your Steelers a little, like, down the road, too, like the faith they have and what they're. What they're bringing in. We talked a little in the off season about, you know, Rogers and Metcalf and, you know, some of the trades and guys they've brought in as kind of maybe this last stand for Tomlin. So I think the Ravens have had their core and what they're going to do and what. And what Lamar Jackson's going to have, you said 11 and a half's the number for this team right now. [00:24:40] Speaker A: For Ravens? [00:24:41] Speaker C: Yeah, for Ravens. Oh man, I just, I don't know why that sticks out to me as a number that I should like, like for them to go over because you're going to get Cleveland. You know, I think the toughest thing when you look at the AFC north is that the other conference they're going to play this year is the best conference in football, the NFC North. And so these are going to be like a ton of games against really quality teams on both sides of the, of the coin when you're playing that and then you get that first place schedule. [00:25:12] Speaker B: You do got, you do got to remember, I mean Lamar Jackson's record against the NFC is just outrageous outrage. He just crushes, he just crushes the nfc. [00:25:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:22] Speaker B: So no matter what the schedule against the NFC north is going to be tough. I got, they got, they got at Green Bay. [00:25:30] Speaker A: Their first six games are kind of tough though. [00:25:33] Speaker C: They do have it. I mean they could be three and. [00:25:35] Speaker A: Three going to the buy. [00:25:38] Speaker B: I think they beat Buffalo Week 1. [00:25:43] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I mean yeah, you got, you have the Sunday nighter versus Buffalo. It's a coin toss. But probably, you know, probably could win. I don't know. It's in Buffalo so I mean who knows there it's probably a crapshoot. Week two. [00:25:56] Speaker B: You talking about these first six games, four of them are at home. I'd see him at least winning three of those four at home. Baltimore is kind of a team that does start slow though, but yeah, they do. [00:26:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Dude, that the only thing that actually starts hot is the Steelers. Everybody else is a slow start in that division. Satorius. [00:26:14] Speaker C: Yeah, but I mean if rankings again if I'm gonna give it to you Rome, I would go Ravens, Bengals, Steelers. [00:26:21] Speaker A: Let me write that down, Jason. [00:26:23] Speaker C: Bengals, Steelers, Browns. [00:26:28] Speaker A: No respected, plenty of respect. [00:26:32] Speaker B: I've got it. The same exact order. The same exact order. [00:26:36] Speaker A: Okay. All right. Over under wins. You guys got the Ravens over eleven and a half. [00:26:51] Speaker C: I, I, I, I'm gonna say I do because I even, even slow start. You're saying even if they go three and three like you said coming out of the bye week, they're going to have Chicago and Miami, Minnesota and Cleveland and the jets like as you're looking like the late October November slate ton of winnable games for them to be having even though that a couple of those are away. And then I guess you know the hardest maybe stretch they have outside of those games is they got the, the Bengals Steelers, Bengals. You know over the course of. Yeah is it 10 days basically they're going to play those teams tough. I mean that's going to be. They got, they got a Thursday nighter versus the Bengals. Then they got this then the two Sunday nighters or the two Sunday games with the Steelers and Bengals there. So like over a three week stretch that doesn't do them much favors. They do get the, the Patriots coming out that but that had to end potentially in flex against Green Bay and Pittsburgh. So they're ending the season strong but you know they could be a team that's hey, they got one or two losses going into like Thanksgiving and you know we're talking about they're in competition for one seed in the afc so I'm going to take the over on that. [00:28:04] Speaker B: I'm going to agree. I like over 11 and a half wins for Baltimore. I mean we talk about Baltimore last year they were just blowing teams out towards the end of the year they figured their defense out. First ten weeks they ranked I think 25th in total pass defense. The last six weeks they got to number one. They were rolling really through the playoffs there. Buffalo game could have gone either way. Mark Andrews makes that catch, we're looking at overtime. Who knows how that game turns out. Baltimore was the hottest team but remember they flowers got hurt. He was not even playing the last month of the year of the knee spring he got. They didn't have him in the playoffs. This team's loaded. I like what they did in the draft getting this the safety out of Georgia so their defensive secondary is even going to be better. We know what they've been defensively at the end of last year. Like I just mentioned offensively they, they've got plenty of players. The two tight ends and likely Andrews wide receivers. This team is loaded. Baltimore it's, it's put up a shut up. I think for these guys. I'm over 11 and a half wins. They should be able to get to 12 minimum. [00:29:11] Speaker A: Nice. Bengals 10 and a half. Who you guys got over? Under? [00:29:16] Speaker B: I got nine and a half Rome. [00:29:19] Speaker A: Oh we might be in agreement here. [00:29:21] Speaker B: No, I've got, I've got my books got them at nine and a half and it's one of my best plays of the year. Pound the over Bengals are going to easily win over nine and a half games. I looked at their schedule. I got them at 11 wins. I like the Bengals at 11 wins. [00:29:38] Speaker A: That's where I got them at actually. All right Jason, don't disagree with Aaron. [00:29:43] Speaker C: I, I think we, we were, we were waiting for this team all last year. I mean offensively like Burrow was, was he leading the league in passing there towards the end of the year or whatever? It was just like Burrow was leading. [00:29:55] Speaker B: The league in everything but nobody cared because that defense was so damn bad. [00:29:59] Speaker A: It was a tr. [00:30:00] Speaker B: And I'm still, and I'm still honestly worried because preseason, I know we're not supposed to talk preseason. That's the worst damn defense I saw all preseason. [00:30:09] Speaker C: Yeah. And I mean did we get, I think it came over the last like week or so that they did that they agreed to a one year deal with. [00:30:18] Speaker B: Yeah, that was yesterday, right? [00:30:19] Speaker A: Yeah. It's not a one year deal. It's just an additional 15 million dollar bonus just for this year. Becomes unrestricted free agent next year. So they're basically saying like you just play one year and get the hell out of here. Which is, yeah, crazy. [00:30:32] Speaker C: It's crazy for like how, how bad the defense is and you have one of the best like edge rushers in. [00:30:37] Speaker A: It's stupid. [00:30:41] Speaker C: I'll agree with Aaron Rome since you're writing these things down. I'm going to agree in the over as well. I just think the offense is just too good. You know, out of all the pieces offensively we talked about, I think the one, you know, expecting a little more out of Chase Brown this year is probably going to be something you're going to see a player potentially break out and that, that, you know, they already got all the weapons there but like I think you see another element of, of the offense there. But yeah, defensively, I don't know. I mean I, I, I think we, I think we need to a weekly over under for the, whoever the Bengals play and what the score is like. What's the over under the Bengals? [00:31:17] Speaker B: Well, look, look, they, they do get Cleveland week one. So if they can't stop those guys or they give up whatever, you know, mid-20s, high-20s, they're in trouble. I mean, mean, they're bringing over Al golden, coordinator for Jason's Notre Dame Fighting Irish. He's back in the NFL. Bengals have been talking all camp, all preseason. Hey, we're not worried about the number one and two groups getting, you know, first two, three possessions of every game getting scored on. They just got beat 410 like basically in the last preseason game. Joe Burrow on this offense has looked great. I'm not going to deny that this, that's been a problem from them the last few years. They start out real slow. I think this Offense is going to be fine. I think they're going to be one of the best top five offenses in the league. Joe Burrow, I mean we're not, we haven't talked about MVP candidates, but I'm going to say it right now. Joe Burrow is my lead dog to win MVP this year. But it comes down for me. The Bengals, this defense, can they be respectable? Can they get stops? It's funny. Three years ago their coordinator who they just, you know, threw under the shed, he's now in Atlanta. He was rumored to be the top head coach coming after they shut down Buffalo KC in the playoffs. They got robbed by the Rams. I don't care what anybody. Cooper flag PI calls were ridiculous. [00:32:31] Speaker A: That was, that was an LA production. [00:32:35] Speaker B: Stan Grunky paid off the referees in the league on that one. It was part of the script. But yeah, Cincinnati just hasn't been the same since. [00:32:43] Speaker A: You're absolutely right, 100% Aaron. Solid take, man. Steelers eight and a half. [00:32:48] Speaker B: I'll let, I'll let Jason touch this one. I'll let you go, Jason. I got, I gotta have a sip of water on this one before I get in. [00:32:55] Speaker A: Oh, you're gonna talk on my team, Rogers, on your guy. [00:32:59] Speaker C: Eight, eight and a half, huh? That's where it's sitting at right now. [00:33:02] Speaker A: So right now I got Ravens, 12, 13. They're gonna be fighting the Bills for number one seed. Bengals. I have met 10 or 11 wins. That's like a push for me. If one guy goes out like they're like a, like a, like a, like, like an F1 car. They're all top heavy. [00:33:19] Speaker B: Well, like Jason, they are, they are star studded. [00:33:21] Speaker A: Yeah. If they, if they lose one guy, they're Steelers. Actually like a lot of things for that team. [00:33:30] Speaker B: Now you have Steelers, huh? I mean that Vegas, that, that Vegas talk must have convinced because he was not, he was not feeling it up there. [00:33:37] Speaker A: I, I don't like to, I, I do like, like the outside chances. Right. If I want to bet long, I do like it. So I got him at nine or 10 wins. Here's what Browns is a push for me. I don't know whether it's five or six. [00:33:53] Speaker C: Well, before you jump to the Browns because Aaron's throwing this to me about the Steelers. I think the one thing that Aaron and I have liked for 20 years now has been Mike Tomlin and what he's proven is like, hey, I'm gonna, I'm gonna wheel this team to 500 or better. And so if you're telling me it's eight and a half we're going between. Do they win eight games or nine games? Flirting around 500. [00:34:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:16] Speaker C: To me Mike Tomlins the difference. [00:34:18] Speaker A: I like the playoff odds. This team's 140 for this. [00:34:20] Speaker C: This team can get to nine wins I think. I think they can get to nine wins. Potentially 10. Like you're talking about Rome. Because now if I look at their schedule another team I like it very favorable early on for the Steelers to be sitting 4 and 150 here in week six. When you start with the CR, the bad jets you get Seattle at home where they gotta fly from the west Coast. And I'm not loving Seattle maybe as much as I did last year Patriots team. [00:34:52] Speaker A: You know they're gonna be competitive. That's a tough game. [00:34:54] Speaker C: Competitive. But you know it. It's a winnable game because the Patriots coming up Minnesota on a. On a Sunday overseas I believe because. [00:35:04] Speaker B: This is like 6:30 in the NFL International. [00:35:08] Speaker A: You're looking at the circa sports calendar. [00:35:10] Speaker C: I'm just. I just see it's at 6:30am. [00:35:15] Speaker A: I got the circus sports calendar right here. [00:35:17] Speaker C: Gotcha. All right, well so you got four. These four games going into a bi week. You come out of the bi week against a bad Cleveland team. So for the, for so on paper first five games. Hey I'm not paying too much of a world beaters out of anything in these first five all very winnable page. The Steelers could be four and one here. You and all the other bandwagon Steelers fans that never lived in Pittsburgh are all getting all happy and so, so I. But. But I'll go with you Roman. I'm gonna take the over. I. I think there's something there. Rogers his last hurrah. This is where it's going to be at. As long as he doesn't have comes. [00:35:51] Speaker A: Back for another year. [00:35:52] Speaker C: You think so? [00:35:53] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean this playoffs he comes back. [00:35:56] Speaker C: I mean this is probably Rome. Your Steelers insider. This is Tomlin pushing all his chips into this year because you. This is out of a. Of a franchise that's only had three head coaches in their entire history. This is the first time we felt like there's been a pressure of like we need this guy out of here. Even though he's a great leader and a great coach. [00:36:13] Speaker A: I think he doesn't make it next year if they don't make the playoffs and they don't go at least to round two. [00:36:17] Speaker B: I think I'd say this. I'd say this. If they don't finish 500 or above. Tomlin Rogers are both out of town and both retired. They're both out. That's it, Tom. [00:36:27] Speaker A: That goes to the studio. Tribe personality, great personality. [00:36:31] Speaker B: Jason. I think Jason hit it on the head. For 20 years, 20 years there's been one common theme, death, taxes and Mike Tomlin finishing over 500. I came on last year. I think I said they were going to go below 500. I was wrong. I can't do it this year. Steelers get above 500, I'll take over eight and a half wins. Not confident in it, but looking at it, they should be able to get 10 wins. But it comes down to Aaron Rodgers, right? How good is he? Is it the Aaron Rodgers that we saw in the first half of the jets or is it the guy we saw the last six weeks that was one of the better quarterbacks, top 10 in the NFL? If they could keep them. If they could keep them upright. And with that defense, which I really like. I like everything they did. Bringing in Jalen Ramsey, bringing in the tight end. I like the Steelers team. It just comes back to how much does Aon Rogers have in the tank? If he has something left, this is a dangerous team. If he's washed up, then Tomlin and Rogers, that's it. [00:37:30] Speaker C: I'll be very closely looking at. If we looked at the tale of two halves of the Steelers season last year, you know, we were the. The wins they had with Justin Fields under center were just like the skin of their teeth were playing field position, kicking field goals, winning by a point here, point there, you know, nothing flashy offensively, but they didn't do anything as. [00:37:50] Speaker B: Far as it wore. It wore them down. You can't continue to win in the league like this. It will wore you down. Despite what the Chiefs did last year, it will eventually wear you down. [00:37:57] Speaker C: I get what you're saying here, but when they got Russell in and they had some good games of stretching the field, I feel that they fell in love with that, that we had to do that. And they lost a ton of what they were doing in the run game. So you're not going to have Rogers of seven years ago that's going to be able to chuck this ball going around. So Jaylen Warren, how's he going to do? You got a rookie, Caleb Johnson, you know, you know, pretty good prospect that probably maybe is an upgrade over Nashi Harris that they had you gain wealth. There's a running attack there that they need to sit into. What I didn't love about the jets so much with The Rogers era is that you had a great running back tandem and it was too much of a Rogers with the ball in his hand. Like is he going to be able to check, you know, check a little bit ego at the door? [00:38:41] Speaker B: So they had a terrible oc. [00:38:43] Speaker C: They did. [00:38:43] Speaker B: Let's be realistic. [00:38:44] Speaker C: They did. [00:38:45] Speaker B: They had a terror. They had a terrible oc. And even Rogers at the end of the year said I don't even know what the run game design was. I just. It was ridiculous. [00:38:51] Speaker A: It's his fault, dude. It seems like he's being pretty chill though this year, which all his friends he's have his buddies there and he has DK. [00:39:01] Speaker B: DK's this new guy, man. That's his new security which. [00:39:03] Speaker C: Which is fine. And you know they got. They got Friarmouth. They bring in John who Smith onto this team. That's a two really. John who had a great back half of the year with the. With the Dolphins last year. So there's some pieces around there. I think a balance in this offense. They fell in love with the deep ball and everything with Russell Wilson last year and I think it fell off the rails because they lost kind of who they were. I agree with the Aaron playing in the margins that too much. Those are teams that aren't successful. But I think there's a better balance with Rogers. They can get to where it's like we. What playmake ability does he have left and how do you pair that with a solid run game that ball controls and you rely on a defense with Cam Hayward, T.J. watt, like you said, the secondary with slay, Joey Porter Jr. Jalen Ramsey, like they got a lot of pieces there to pull you down but like don't make the mistakes. And if we get a Rogers that just is trying to do too much and make mistakes, that's where the Steelers fall off the rails easily. And then yes, we're talking about a, you know, goodbye Tomlin, Goodbye Rogers. And we're hitting the reset button for the first time at Pittsburgh and I. [00:40:01] Speaker B: Don'T know how long in our lifetimes. Yeah, I mean look, Pittsburgh, the recipe is simple, right? Like Jason said, they got to run the ball. I believe they will. Arthur Smith's a pretty good run design guy. They ran the ball well. When he was in Atlanta as the head coach, he just never had a quarterback. I thought he got a bad deal there when they got rid of them. I think he's a good coach, a good oc. They got guys, I mean dk, we know DK could stretch the Field. They've got the two tight ends, both good receiving guys. Rogers loves to throw to the tight ends. He likes a good running game. He never really had a defense in Green Bay. That's why he only won one Super Bowl. That defense was always ranked in the bottom 10, bottom half of the league. This is a top five defense for the Steelers. [00:40:40] Speaker A: Oh, for sure. [00:40:41] Speaker B: Tomlin is always invested in that. But like I said, towards the end of the year, Russell Wilson was terrible. They were kind of falling behind and taking deep shots. Turnovers, turnovers. I mean, where were they averaging three to four turnovers a game? Towards the bottom stretch there, Kansas City teams. Baltimore just pounded on them. They've. They've got to jump out. Like we looked at the schedule. Jets, Seattle, New England, Minnesota, Cleveland. They got to get to 4 and 1 before they go at Cincinnati. I think 3 and 3, 2 and 4, they'll be in trouble. 4 and 1 is where they got to be at. [00:41:14] Speaker C: It's a tough. It's as good as they are at the start. It's a tough middle stretch. Once you get. [00:41:18] Speaker B: You got Cincinnati, Green Bay, Indianapolis, Chargers, Cincinnati, Chicago, Buffalo, Baltimore. If you go 500 during that split and 4 and 1, all sudden, you're like, what, 8 and 5. You're still on track. The start of the season, really, you know, it's not always great, but they don't want to be like the Cincinnati Bengals were last year. The start of the season means a lot, especially in the NFL. You only get 17 of these games, and when the schedule lines up to be favorable for you, you got to start strong. And it starts with Roger sticking it to Aaron Glenn in the New York Jets, Week one. No doubt about that. [00:41:54] Speaker A: Nice, nice. Hold on. Before we move on to the next division. Browns over. Under five and a half. What you guys got no crap. [00:42:05] Speaker C: We forgot about the Browns. [00:42:07] Speaker A: Just quick over, under. I think five and a half is tough. Actually. [00:42:11] Speaker B: Actually, five and a half. I would take the under because my book has four and a half and I had the under. I mean, really. Browns. Look at, look at, look at. They got Cincinnati, Baltimore, Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Miami, New England to start. Let's say they just win two of those games. [00:42:29] Speaker C: I mean, you're talking. You're talking about team before their bye week. They're two and. [00:42:33] Speaker B: And that's being nice. That's being nice, right? [00:42:37] Speaker A: Miami. [00:42:39] Speaker B: It's a winnable game. [00:42:41] Speaker C: I mean, it's winnable, but that's like one of the few winnable ones they got. [00:42:46] Speaker A: They could possibly win against look at. [00:42:48] Speaker B: Cincinnati's a winnable game because Cincinnati just not good. They. [00:42:51] Speaker A: They got the Jets. They're at Vegas. You got Tennessee. [00:42:54] Speaker B: Well, wait, wait. They're at. Well, yeah, that's out. That's at New York. I don't care. [00:43:01] Speaker A: Six. [00:43:03] Speaker B: We'll take it. Rome. I like under. [00:43:05] Speaker C: Okay, Jason, I'm agreed. Under. [00:43:08] Speaker A: God damn, dude. All right, you guys got the Ravens running division, right? [00:43:17] Speaker B: Yep, that's correct. [00:43:18] Speaker A: All right, we'll go over like playoff odds and like all that stuff later on a little bit. We got the AFC south next. Houston Texans over under nine and a half wins, minus 150. Jacksonville Jaguars seven and a half at minus 105. Indianapolis Colts the same thing. Seven and a half, minus 110. And then the Titans five and a half. Minus 150. Texans favor to win the division, obviously. Playoffs, minus 140. I even just saw it, you know, conference plus 1700. Like this. The team that we're talking about, potential super bowl run last year. Right. So. And the super bowl odds are at 3500. I didn't know. We, we didn't talk about that for the other teams, but I figured they have better odds than, than them. But it could be tantalizing at least possibly for a division or conference run. So, yeah, Texans over. Under nine and a half. [00:44:19] Speaker C: I'm going to take the over just because I think this is the worst division in football. So when you look at, from a scheduling perspective, they got a bunch of winnable games just, just on their division schedule alone, some tough stuff they have to play versus, you know, Baltimore. They got on their schedule. The AFC west is there. So I think there's some, you know, San Francisco is tough. They're playing in Seattle is a tough game. But then you get, you know, stuff like Arizona in Vegas down the stretch again, worst division in football. Someone's got to win it. The division screams Thursday night NFL Network game, you know, in November. Do they have any of those games out there? I'm trying to just check. I get. They get a Buffalo. [00:45:01] Speaker B: They got, they got, they got Buffalo there. Amazon. [00:45:04] Speaker C: So that's a good one. But the old school NFL Network Thursday night game, that was after Amazon paid. [00:45:09] Speaker B: What, 1.5 billion for Thursday night. They got rid of those trash games. We're not getting, we're not getting Cleveland versus Jacksonville on a Thursday night no more. [00:45:19] Speaker C: We don't get that. But I, I think now coming into year three with CJ Stroud, I think a little bit to prove because this is a guy like after his rookie year last year we're talking like this is the hype, this is the next guy. A little bit of sophomore slump. I know there's some industries injuries all around that roster. They signed Nick Chubb from a running, you know at, at running back which you know I guess is a little bit of an upgrade that they got there but they, they still got. [00:45:46] Speaker B: Well Mixon's out the first month of the year. Joe Mixon who I like. So he's out. [00:45:51] Speaker C: Yeah. So that'll be added to him. Tank Dell I think is out still. I don't know if he's going to be completely covered. [00:45:56] Speaker B: I don't even know if he's going to play this year. Man. I think his leg was spent like he's like the question mark his leg. I, I don't know if we're going to see that guy anytime soon. [00:46:04] Speaker C: So you don't got a tut behind Nico Collins then at the wide receiver position. So defensively I mean they had Danielle Hunter obviously will Anderson Jr. Their top draft pick in that same draft, you know is a name for himself. CJ Gardner Johnson and Kaylin Bullock in the, in. In the back of that defense. I think there's some stuff to like but this is a team that hey, they win the division. What'd you say their over was? Is it. He said ten, nine and a half. Nine and a half. So I think it's huh. [00:46:33] Speaker A: Is that what you have Aaron? [00:46:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I got nine and a half. [00:46:36] Speaker C: I think. I think it could be like a 10 win team, maybe 11 if they're lucky. So I would take the over. I think they win the division pretty easily because I just think the rest of the division and is just so kind of up in the air of what they're going to be able to offer after them. I, I think this is kind of where like you know you get questions. I, I think go multiple different ways. I like the Jaguars still and I think the main reason is what Liam Cohen, you know is bringing this as much he's ne. He's never going to live down the press conference and the way he said Duvall it's just not so. [00:47:10] Speaker B: Hey, I will say this got coaches that have had bad press conferences. You can look at Philly's coach, you know they've had some good success so we'll see. I don't really buy into a lot of press conferences for a coach. How do you coach players? Do you get results as an oc? He did. We'll see. I think he's got talent to play with. [00:47:29] Speaker C: Does a lot of talent to play with. And that's what, that's what you're looking at. The running game is I think is what set up Tampa Bay when Cohen was there as the oc, you saw a lot of great stuff from the running game. I think you got two really talented running backs in Travis ETN and Tank Bigsby. Brian Thomas Jr. You know, was, was he rookie of the year? Yes. Last year. I don't know but he probably should have been a rookie offensive player of the year at least. Probably the breakout person because everyone in that track. [00:47:53] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. Did he win it or Malik Neighbors? I don't remember. They were 12 really. [00:47:57] Speaker C: You had, you had a lot of stuff on Marvin Harrison Jr. And neighbors and stuff. But I think Brian Thomas Jr. Was, was one that really made a name for himself. And now you bring Travis Hunter and it'll be interesting how they play him, I guess is he going both sides of the ball? He's going to be the number two receiver potential. [00:48:12] Speaker B: I hear primarily he's going to be wide receiver. That's because he's main focus which, which. [00:48:16] Speaker C: Makes sense to me. So I think offensively there's some stuff that he's going to play with. Trevor Lawrence always has been the question mark of this team. Was he worth the contract? I don't think so. Pretty average, you know, pedestrian, you know, numbers. Rome's giving me the thumbs down right now because I think he's just nothing but average. This was a guy after his rookie or sophomore year in Clemson was like, hey, he's the next chosen one coming out. We've never seen it. He's probably just a middle of the road NFL quarterback where he's at. But I think it's enough in this division, you know to be able to kind of make that damp, take it then take a step forward. There's been system overall not great things. It was a team last year everyone was kind of excited about because they how they finished the 2023 season. But you know, they start versus Carolina. Tough game at Cincinnati in division game with Houston could be tough at San Francisco. It's tough to start the year. It's tough to start the year. It'll be kind of the ending in where they get. They could be running it down the stretch. So it'd be hey, where does this team want to be at the end of the year? Because post by week as far as like standings wise. [00:49:22] Speaker B: Well, they win four games. Well they had. They moved they moved up to get the second pick in the draft. So they weren't, they weren't that far. [00:49:29] Speaker C: Behind last year they were 4 and 13. [00:49:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:33] Speaker C: Okay, so you're talking about. [00:49:35] Speaker B: They were a disappointment. I think they're over under. Last year was probably eight and a half wins. [00:49:40] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean last year they were. The year prior they had won nine games. And so I think there was something, something was more expected of that team the way they finished. But over under what you said on the team. [00:49:52] Speaker B: Seven and a half. Seven and a half. [00:49:54] Speaker A: Jackson Colts are seven and a half. [00:49:56] Speaker C: So I think, I think the Jags would be the one that maybe gets to eight and you know you're talking about an eight and nine team bat. But it's going to be the back half of that schedule. And so like does where, where this, where this bet goes off the rails is does this team give up? Because then you look at post Thanksgiving, lot of winnable games with Arizona, Tennessee, Indianapolis, the Jets, Denver will be a tough game, but then Indianapolis and Tennessee again. So if they could own the division in the back half of the season versus the other two bad teams there, hey, this is a team that's hitting that over. But they have, they have to overcome this potential. Rough start. [00:50:31] Speaker A: All right, Aaron, you got him over under. [00:50:35] Speaker B: So yeah, I'll go, I'll touch on Houston since you know, Jason already touched on the top two teams. Houston, I'll take over nine and a half. I think Houston's going to win the division. I'm going to agree. Answered that one. Given what we've seen. They're bringing in a new OC passing game coordinator from the Rams. We'll see how that plays out. Their offensive line was terrible last year for Houston. Still a concern. They got rid of Tumsil to Washington. So to the commanders, we'll see how this offensive line plays out. They gave up 54 sacks last year. That was the third most in the NFL. The run game mixing got hurt last year. Missed some time. You know, Tank Dale, we've already mentioned out Nico Collins is a great wide receiver. They got one of the star wide stud wide receivers coming in from Iowa State. They picked him up in the early second round. A lot of question marks for this team offensively really up front stops starts up front for me, I mean CJ Stroud I think is a stud. I think he's a really good quarterback. There's a reason why I had Houston last year getting to the super bowl and the offensive line really let me down defensively. Jason Touched on it. This team is loaded. They got D linemen, they got linebackers, they got secondary, some of the top guys there and their schedule in a weak division. Can they get to 10 wins? I see them getting the 10 wins at minimum. They'll get the 10 and 7. Me and Jason have been in agreements on everything. This is where I'm going to flip flop. I'm not as high on Jacksonville as Jason. I am a big Liam Cohen guy but I'm not sold on the Jaguars. I like the Colts, Daniel Jones. We've seen what Brian Dabel was able to do of them. Kind of when you bring in a new fresh mind and fresh start, he can actually do some things. I like going to Daniel Jones to start. Colts are loaded defensively. They just haven't had a quarterback that can play and get them over the top seven and a half. I got over seven and a half wins for the Colts. I think they get the eight wins minimum. They got the running back. They have a top five offensive line. If Daniel Jones can be something we saw two years ago with the Giants and Shane Steichen. Shane Steichen is a good coach. He's taking quarterbacks like a Jalen. Hurts and stuff that were not great throwers, made them better throwers and took that running ability which Daniel Jones does. He just got to protect himself a little bit better. Colts are my surprise team. I, I got Colts over seven and a half wins. [00:53:02] Speaker C: As much as Aaron says he he likes Liam Cohen and be a Lee Cohen guy, he's no bigger guy than a Shane Sten guy. Aaron loves himself some Shane Sten. [00:53:13] Speaker B: Aaron. [00:53:20] Speaker A: Jags. Were you over under for them, Aaron? [00:53:22] Speaker B: I'm under seven and a half. [00:53:23] Speaker A: You're under and then Titans. [00:53:27] Speaker B: You said you had him at six. I got him at six and a half. On my book I'd say under six and a half. You had them at five and a half? Under six and a half for sure. I'd be confident. Five and a half, that's close. They're about a five, six win team. If Cam Ward can stay healthy and put up some good numbers. Just again, not a lot of offensive weapons there. Offensive line is still shaky. I like, I like Pollard and I like his top wide receiver he has there. But outside of that they don't, they don't really have enough playmakers. This is a rebuild for the Titans. They're going to be similar, I think what the Patriots were where they're probably a year or two away and I don't know if even Brian Callahan's a guy, you know, he maybe can. Before we know it he went what, 3 and 14 year one. [00:54:17] Speaker A: Yeah, it's been like pretty rough. What was the record last year? Do you guys have that? [00:54:20] Speaker B: 3 and 3 and 14, I believe. [00:54:21] Speaker A: Oh, so. [00:54:23] Speaker B: And they, they were bad. I mean well look, he had Will Levis and couple other quarterbacks that didn't pan out but. [00:54:30] Speaker A: Jason, are you over under on the Colts? [00:54:33] Speaker C: What was the number again? [00:54:35] Speaker A: Seven and a half. [00:54:39] Speaker C: Oh, I'm gonna put them under. I think, I think it's probably right. It's gonna be hurt right there. I think it's probably a seven. [00:54:46] Speaker A: And then, and the Titans, what you have them at five and a half. [00:54:52] Speaker C: I just think they're just, I just didn't like degree with Aaron. I, I, I don't think they're good. I think you're looking at four wins maybe again, so. [00:55:00] Speaker A: Oh man. [00:55:02] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I would say under, under. [00:55:04] Speaker A: All right, let's go through the order real quick. So we both, all three of us got Texans number one. [00:55:13] Speaker C: Yep. [00:55:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I gotta write down the acronyms. Raj again. All right. One through four. Aaron, Houston. [00:55:26] Speaker B: Indianapolis. Jacksonville, Tennessee. [00:55:30] Speaker A: All right. Jason Houston. [00:55:33] Speaker C: Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Tennessee. [00:55:37] Speaker A: Okay. [00:55:45] Speaker B: I, I do believe, yeah, I, I mean I, I'm taking Indianapolis over Jacksonville but I, those teams could be interswappable. It wouldn't surprise me either. 1 1, 1 8, the other 17 and flip flop to me they're neck and neck. They're neck and neck teams. I'll just go with the little bit better defense and more playmakers that weapons that the Colts have as an advantage for them. [00:56:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:09] Speaker B: So first over a first year coach. [00:56:11] Speaker A: For me I got the Texans. I actually thought I there, there were times last year that the Colts were pretty good. They looked like a pretty solid team and they were competing for a playoff towards the end of the year. Allegedly. Let's just assume that they have an upgrade at quarterback. And Daniel Jones does have like a leap year performance from a couple years ago. He's looked solid. He's learned some stuff hanging out in the Vikings at the end of last year. I do got them over the seven and a half, possibly nine wins for there vying for a potential playoff spot. They are at plus 160. I do kind of like that. It's like a long shot Jags, I'm kind of like a push on that. I do got them potentially at like seven or eight wins. Little growing pains. But I think the Titans are going to create some pressure towards the end of the season. I Do got them at six or seven wins, depending on what the low end is for Jags. So Jags potentially can be, you know, fighting to get out of that last place spot, but that's what I got for the. For that division. [00:57:16] Speaker B: Yeah, Titans are an interesting team. I think they're going to start slow. Just, you know, rookie quarterbacks typically do. They're not that great of a team, but they're a team. Towards the last month of the year, they can make some hayway. I mean, I'm looking at their schedule. San Francisco, Kansas City, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Cleveland, Jacksonville again. So they could go three and three, four and two down that stretch. Those last. Those last month, month and a half of the season. So. But they. Their season schedule starts at Denver, Rams, Colts, Houston, Arizona. Mix in New England, Colts, Chargers, Houston, Seattle. It starts really rough for Houston or for Tennessee. It eases up towards the end when I think Cam Ward will be a little bit better. So five, six wins. Like I said, I've got six and a half at my book. I would take the under. I think six wins is probably their max, their cap. But five and a half, that's a tough one. [00:58:16] Speaker A: Yeah, that is pretty tough. All right, you guys ready to move on to the next one? [00:58:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:24] Speaker A: Okay. I'm still pulling the over unders on this thing, the fresh ones, and it's not coming up for me. Are the people down on the Eagles? [00:58:40] Speaker C: Well, you got the AFC West. [00:58:41] Speaker B: We got the AFC west first. [00:58:46] Speaker A: I totally skipped them. [00:58:50] Speaker C: Only could be the best division in football. It's not, but it could be. [00:58:55] Speaker B: You know, Rome's. Rome's already skipping over those Chiefs. Let's just. Let's just put that on the line. Year two, he's not. He's not even hiding the fact that when Kansas City pops up, it's like the Kelsey Taylor Swift news just goes right through the feed. No mention of it. [00:59:12] Speaker A: Wait, that's crazy. Yeah, I wrote down Chiefs. You're right. I. I did skip over everybody. Jesus Christ. Let me just gear up here. Let me write this down. I wrote. Dude, how the hell did I do. I wrote down Chiefs and I went down to the next one. [00:59:48] Speaker B: How about them? [00:59:49] Speaker A: Chiefs says Chiefs, Broncos, Chargers, Raiders. [00:59:55] Speaker B: That's the division. [01:00:02] Speaker A: All right, I got The Chiefs at 10 and a half over, under, minus 160 Super bowl odds plus 800, one of the shorter ones for the Broncos. That's probably why this is not lining up. Aaron, do you have this at nine and a half wins? [01:00:21] Speaker B: So I got Broncos, nine and a half Chiefs 11 and a half, Chargers nine and a half, Raiders six and a half. You got the charges at what, nine and a half? [01:00:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I got that, too. And then Raiders are six and a half. This one's at seven and a half. That seems a little high. No, like I said, different books. [01:00:54] Speaker B: I'm looking at my site right now. I got Raiders minus six and a half, wins, over, minus 147, under plus 120. [01:01:05] Speaker A: Cool. I'll let you guys take it from here. What you guys got? Guys want to go over, under or order first? [01:01:14] Speaker B: You want me to go first on this one or what? [01:01:16] Speaker C: I'll give you first on this one. [01:01:18] Speaker B: I think Jason was trying to sneak a team in here, but I'm gonna beat him, too. The Denver Broncos are gonna win the AFC West. Okay. The Denver Broncos are going to win the AFC West. It's one of my top plays at over nine and a half wins. Love it, book it, bank it, cash it, do what you got to do. So that's for you, keeping track. Rome, that's Bengals, Broncos, those making my top two of my top five over under plays for this season. I look it, Everybody knows I love me some Bo Nicks. There's no surprise I call him the Drew Brees of 2.0 last year. I was on the Broncos bandwagon early last year. Sean Payton's a great coach. This defense was a top five defense. They're even going to be better this year with upgrades to the team. They went out and got another elite defensive back coming out of Texas. They out. They upgraded the running back position, wide receivers, they got some decent guys. Sutton's there, tight end, They've upgraded there as well. Bringing in, was it Ingram. So this team, Denver, keep an eye on them. They're going to win the division. Rome and 2nd. 2nd's wide open to me. I'm going to go with the Chiefs to get second in the division behind the Broncos. But, yeah, I. I'll let Jason jump in because I know, I know when he threw it to me, I knew where he was going. But, you know, you know, you snooze, you lose. I got to jump on the Broncos first here. [01:02:54] Speaker A: I'm just kind of curious who you got. Three and four. [01:02:58] Speaker B: I'll go three chargers, four raiders. [01:03:00] Speaker A: Wow. So chiefs are under. [01:03:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Under 11 and a half wins. [01:03:06] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, we'll finish the rest. Jason, what do you think about that? [01:03:13] Speaker C: I think it's exactly how I was going to pick it, too. But I know Aaron's love for Sean Payton and Bo Nix. I wanted him to be him to say it first and get the credit. Not that we're following everything but yeah, I agree with him. And we're going to have this season for eternity with with Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes and everyone's going to be wishing when they're going to take you know, this massive step back. I don't think they take the step back but when you know. But when you think of a 152 team that they were a year ago, they never felt like a 15 and 2 team. I it well the hand of God on like some field goals and like you know bounces here, bounces there. [01:03:50] Speaker A: Yet you pummeled me non stop for them not being in my top top of the top five. [01:03:55] Speaker B: Rotate to the Super Bowl Rome. [01:03:57] Speaker C: Yeah, they made it to the super bowl and you play to win the game Rome and that's they were winning the game. Whether it was, you know it was because you know they, they had the refs were in their pocket or whatever conspiracy theories everybody wants to throw out. But I agree with Aaron where Sean Payton picked this, you know, picked Denver for a reason. I think Bo Nicks was the most pro ready a year ago. I think the weapons as Aaron talked about from, from a Denver perspective, the schedule's not easy but I don't think it's like overly difficult for what they have to play. I mean they're going to get like similar stuff here but out of out of all of the teams in that division they're going to get a little bit easier row with where they finished last year. So yeah, I'm going to go Denver as well and yeah agree with Aaron Kansas City if you know it'll be an interesting way they put this together. We probably see I would say the upside of this team. You'll probably see maybe a little bit of better offense this year. I don't know. Something's telling you just a little more of what they can do. Maybe, maybe Travis Kelce's last year but I think there's still a little bit of a. I don't want to call it load management when it comes to Kelsey, but you see him kind of turn it on there kind of towards the end of the season when they really need him and he's not taking all the licks early on so. And they always seem to place whether it's juju Smith Schuster or they sign Hollywood Brown up for an additional year. I think they will find the weapons they need to be competitive. The Chargers. I don't want to say they took us by surprise last year because Jim Harbaugh always tends to do this. He, like, squeezes things in the margins, but margins. But I think you could say they probably definitely overachieved from a year ago, but I don't know how much better you feel they got from a running game perspective. Okay. You add, you know, Nashi Harris. Now you need a year two leap from lad McConkey. You bring Keenan Allen back after his, you know, year in Chicago. I don't know. Just some still questions there. The thing with the Jim Harbaugh piece, just like Andy Reid. Yeah. He's going to win these games in the margins, and the team's going to be very disciplined. And they're not going to turn, you know, they're not going to make dumb mistakes and turn the ball over. So it'll be a bunch of close games. But again, best division in football, you know, won't be surprised if, hey, the Chargers surprise us. And they kind of go and hop. The Chiefs, you know, I guess, is a very realistic possibility, but I think the Broncos have kind of edge of, hey, this may be the team that kind of takes over here for a little bit, and this could be the year to be that stepping stone. The Raiders just, I just, They're. They're just at the bottom. And when we talk about best divisions in football, they may be better than the Cleveland Browns. So the AFC west might be the best team in the AFC overall, but they still think. You see the Raiders bringing up the rear. [01:06:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, the Chargers are interesting because I was. I think they can take the second step from the Chiefs and finish second in the division. But, you know, losing Rashad Slater, one of the best five left tackles in the game. [01:06:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:58] Speaker B: In camp, that really hurts. I mean, I know they can move Joe Alt there and then, you know, kind of fill in their offensive line from there. They got upgrades on the interior line. Running back. They bring over Najee Harris. Four straight years of a thousand yards rushing. Steelers basically said, hey, you would even. [01:07:17] Speaker A: Know that if you watch the games. [01:07:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, yeah, you wouldn't know. They got Hampton running back coming over, rookie from North Carolina who's gonna just be a beast. He's gonna be really good. Trey Harris adding speed to go with Vlad McConkey. Here's the thing. I think the Chargers are going to be better than last year, but I don't see him winning 11 games like they did last year. Because when you finish last in the division, you get an easy schedule. They Finished second last year. Their schedule is an upgrade. They start Friday night, Brazil with the Chiefs. That, that game right there could kind of tell who's going to win the division or not in Kansas City. Look at Kansas City's. Offensively was terrible last year. They get those pieces back. But you know, we know Rice is going to be suspended. I don't know how many games I'm hearing what three, four games. I'm not sure what that's going to be from these. You know that stint where he was in a hit and run and left the scene last year in the off season. That's pretty bad. So, so I, that, that discipline. I think that hearing starts the hearing, I believe September 30th or something. I, maybe it's August 30th. It's coming up here. So he'll be suspended a few games. I know the NFL was seeking 10 games. I think they negotiated down to three or four. We'll see when that gets announced. But all their wide receivers are always hurt, right? Marquis Brown, that dude is always hurt. Worthy's no bigger than all three of us combined. Really. That dude's small, but he's quick as hell. Josh Simmons, he's been the talk of the town being the tackle. They got out of the draft at Ohio State. They needed to upgrade that offensive line. But the interior Tuni, he's left. He's in Chicago now. Momes, Reed, Kelsey, this is Kel. I mean we're talking about coaches retiring. This could be Andy Reid's last year. I, I wouldn't be surprised if Andy Reid steps aside. Kelsey, definitely going to be his last year. Now that he's engaged and getting married, he's going to ride off into the sunset. Regard regardless of what happens this season and you look at their schedule to start the year. Rome, Chargers, Philly, Giants, Baltimore, Jacksonville, Detroit, Vegas, Washington, Buffalo. That's all to start the year. This team could be five and five. To be honest, their first ten. Yeah, I'm, I'm on the under 11 and a half. And to be honest, if the Chargers can stay healthy on their own line, they could take second place. And Raiders, I agree with you guys. I mean six and a half, I'm going on the under. Raiders are going to be upgrade. They're going to be better. I like Gino, I like Bowers, you know, what's his name, just requested a trade. Jacoby Myers because he didn't get a contract. You know, they got Ashton Genti who's going to be a beast at running back. But Their defense isn't great. Their secondary is poor. They don't have really great linebackers like their D line. But they cut Wilkins in the off season due to, you know, whatever kind of foreplay he was doing there in the locker room and injuries got going on. Carol. Love the guy. We know he's a culture guy. We know he'll help this team. Competitive, but it's going to be tough for them to win multiple games this season. I'll go under six and a half, but the Raiders could be one of those surprise teams that get the seven or eight wins. If Gino can ball out and I like the hire of Chip Kelly as an oc, that's an upgrade for them. Raiders are going to be really competitive. They're going to be good. [01:10:29] Speaker A: All right, real quick, because you have the Chargers third in the division, so I'm guessing you're under the nine and a half. [01:10:34] Speaker B: I'm over nine and a half. [01:10:35] Speaker A: You're over nine and a half. So it's just a top heavy division. [01:10:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Chargers get 10 wins. Chiefs are probably at that 10, 11, 10 wins. Broncos, 11 wins. Jason mentioned the schedule's tough, but I like the team. And then the Raiders, six wins, five wins. [01:10:54] Speaker A: Jason. So you got Broncos and Chiefs as well. Who's three and four? You got the same order? Chargers to Raiders. [01:11:01] Speaker C: Yes. [01:11:02] Speaker A: Yeah, Over. Under on them for Raiders. Yeah, sure. [01:11:10] Speaker C: Six and a half, you said? [01:11:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I got. [01:11:13] Speaker A: I got seven and a half, but Aaron has six and a half. [01:11:18] Speaker C: It's just a man. It's a tough schedule for them. When you look at where we're in the division, where it's aiming, they're gonna need to take games from better teams within their own division. If you're telling me six, Aaron, six and a half. I said I would. I'd take maybe the over and it goes to seven. If you're telling me seven and a half, I'm taking the under. [01:11:39] Speaker A: Raiders always plays their division really well, so that's three wins. They're gonna split. That's my assumption there. They just gotta collect four more wins somewhere else. [01:11:48] Speaker B: I don't think they're gonna split the division. Two wins seems realistic for them in the division. Yeah, I think they start at New England, which is an interesting game, because if New England isn't as good as people think, depending on how that game plays out, New England, the Raiders could be. The Raiders could be that team that gets the eight, nine wins if they win that game. And the Patriots, we were talking at eight and a half. Drop the Seven. Yeah. Or vice versa, that one game. But they got New England, Chargers, Washington, Chicago to start the year two and two at best right there. I mean, I know Jason doesn't have him beating his Bears. That's why he's on mute. He would want to hear what he's got to say. [01:12:38] Speaker A: Chicago's gonna be visiting though. I, I think they, it could shock up on that one. [01:12:41] Speaker B: Personally, I like. Personally I like the Raiders, but you can edit that part out so Jason doesn't hear it. [01:12:45] Speaker A: But. [01:12:45] Speaker C: No, no, I already, I already heard it. It's all right. I was eating Chicago style pizza right now while you're saying that and it's just not. [01:12:50] Speaker A: That sounds good. [01:12:51] Speaker C: It was good. [01:12:52] Speaker A: That sounds really good. All right, Jason, over, under for the charges then nine and a half. [01:13:01] Speaker C: I'm gonna take the over because I think it's a 10 win team. [01:13:05] Speaker A: Got it. And then Raiders. You got under. [01:13:09] Speaker C: Yes. [01:13:11] Speaker A: You got them at like a five or six win team. [01:13:12] Speaker C: If that I would say. Because you're saying seven and a half. You got the number. [01:13:18] Speaker A: Yeah, but if it's seven, like a quick bump today. [01:13:21] Speaker C: I mean, if it's a seven and a half, I think they're a seven win team. Six or seven. So I would. [01:13:25] Speaker B: If it's seven and a half, I would definitely take the under. [01:13:28] Speaker A: Cool. [01:13:29] Speaker B: Six and a half. I would still lean under. [01:13:31] Speaker A: So you guys know how I hate the Chiefs. It's been. [01:13:36] Speaker B: I mean, you skipped over, you wanted to skip over the whole division just to start this, the new season. [01:13:40] Speaker A: Just out of respect because Andy Reid's an LA guy. We both like Tommy Chili cheeseburgers. I'm always gonna give him that respect. This is the, the farewell season for, for the Kelsey. The last one still in the NFL getting engaged. Congrats, dude. Who would have thought some guy about to get kicked out of Cincinnati football. Now you're, now you're marrying the top superstar in the world. That's, it's, it's a, it's a fairy tale. It's amazing. It gives a lot of guys hope. Nonetheless, I do think they'll get over ten and a half. But this is where it gets tricky. This might be besides the afc, AFC north and AFC west stacked even. Like I think the AFC west might be a little harder. I like the Chargers in this division. Harbaugh just has a reputation of getting like another winner too. I know they got the issues with some of the injuries, but they did bulk up. It's still hardball. They got that scandal hanging around. Should he Be suspended. Everyone's talking on him. He's gonna come back with a vengeance. A lot of people want to suspend it from the NFL right now. [01:14:47] Speaker B: Abraham, just. I know, I know you're, you know, Steeler guy, hardball guy. Is. Is Najee Harris gonna be wearing an eye patch when he plays week one? I'm just curious. As I've been. I've been. [01:14:57] Speaker A: I haven't followed up on that story at all. Like, how is he doing? [01:14:59] Speaker B: I. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know, he hasn't really been kind of behind the scenes here. You know, Harbaugh said that he could see the eyeball and that's all that was mentioned before. You're up. I take. [01:15:10] Speaker A: Dude, I don't. I didn't know about the. I totally forgot about that. [01:15:13] Speaker B: I just. I mean, I just wanted to know. I just wanted to know is that kind of like. Is that the Chargers new look? Like everybody's just gonna come out of an eyepatch, like, like the Raider logo, like sticking it to them. [01:15:23] Speaker A: I don't like the Chargers colors. Maybe they need like a little Raider edge on them. Eye patches and all. [01:15:28] Speaker B: Little light, little lightning, little lightning pole on that eye. Like you got struck by lightning. [01:15:34] Speaker A: I do got the Chiefs winning the division, but for the sake of upsets and all that stuff, I do like the Chargers chances of taking the division. Then Chiefs at number two if that switch does happen down to the Broncos, very top heavy. I'm like a push at the nine and a half wins. I think that's a nine or ten win team. I'm not as high as you guys on the Broncos, but I do like the progression. I thought they overperformed in some tight games. And then Raiders seven and a half is a little high. I had them right at seven. But you know, a really fun. This is gonna be a fun Raiders team to watch, man. They're gonna be competitive, they're gonna be engaging. So this is kind of a push. But Chiefs charges over their predictions and Broncos, you know what? You know, why not? I. I got. I got one, two and three over 10 wins. They probably get two or all. They probably get three teams in the playoffs. [01:16:33] Speaker B: So out of the AFC, who's the team's that are going to make the playoffs or not? Because I mean, we typically know at least, you know, there's at least two teams typically every year from each conference. Turnover. [01:16:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Interesting enough. Broncos and the Chargers, they're pretty equal on making the playoffs. If you like the Broncos to take division, guys plus 390. [01:16:56] Speaker B: I love it, man. [01:16:57] Speaker A: I would drop it right now. [01:16:59] Speaker B: Drop it like it's hot. [01:17:00] Speaker A: Drop it like it's hot. [01:17:01] Speaker B: Let me see. Let me see. What it's at my book right now. Let me take a look. [01:17:05] Speaker A: You know, you can actually make these bets on splash sports, which I might start using. [01:17:12] Speaker B: Just remember Rome, we gotta. I'll say it off air, but yeah, you got, you got to report your winnings. [01:17:21] Speaker A: I'm not reporting. [01:17:22] Speaker B: You didn't hear that. [01:17:23] Speaker A: I'm not reporting anything. [01:17:25] Speaker B: Let's see. Division, division winner. [01:17:29] Speaker A: So out of everything, guys got. You guys division. You guys got the Broncos, I got the Chargers. Just for the sake. But I do for the upset. But I am leaning Chiefs for that one. We all got the Texans, we all got the Ravens, we all got the Bills. So seven teams total, right? [01:17:46] Speaker B: So that's correct. [01:17:47] Speaker A: We have four division winners. Who's the top seed? [01:17:58] Speaker C: I think it's the Ravens. [01:18:02] Speaker B: I agree with that. [01:18:07] Speaker C: And I think you probably have Buffalo at the two seed. Not a great division. [01:18:15] Speaker B: I agree with that. [01:18:17] Speaker C: You'll probably get the AFC west winner as the three. So I would go with the Broncos. [01:18:22] Speaker B: I'm on board. [01:18:24] Speaker C: Texans, they get the fourth by default as the other division winner. I think that's the end of which we talk about the AFC South. So the other three teams are not making the playoffs. I think the same goes in the AFC East. None of those three teams make the playoffs. So you got three positions left for Chiefs, Chargers, Steelers in Bengals. [01:18:52] Speaker B: That's my final four. [01:18:54] Speaker C: And I'm sorry to say, Rome, I think your Steelers are the odd man out. And we'll like. [01:18:58] Speaker A: We just talked to them earlier anyway, so I'm not surprised by that one. [01:19:01] Speaker C: Well, I mean just going out to it and so I think if, I think, I think if I'm correct in this, Aaron, the only difference in the playoffs for a year ago was we get the Bengals in the playoffs finishing second in the AFC North. [01:19:17] Speaker B: That's how you got it. Jason, you don't have the jacks. I'm gonna, I'm gonna stick to trends. I got the Steelers getting in the playoffs. I got the Bengals getting in the playoffs. That leaves the Chiefs and the Chargers. And the Chargers are at home. [01:19:32] Speaker A: What's the Chargers? [01:19:33] Speaker B: Chargers don't make the playoffs and the Chiefs get in. [01:19:37] Speaker A: All right, just like a write down. Jason, who's your wild card? [01:19:41] Speaker C: Wild card would be Cincinnati, Kansas City and the Chargers. [01:19:50] Speaker A: Aaron. [01:19:51] Speaker B: Cincinnati, Kansas City, Pittsburgh Steelers. [01:19:59] Speaker A: Wow. One through four, you got Ravens number one, Bills number two. You got three and four. [01:20:08] Speaker B: Three is going to be the Broncos and four the Texans. [01:20:12] Speaker A: Same thing. Yeah. You guys can't create any content if you guys just keep on jerking each other off with all these picks. [01:20:18] Speaker C: Listen, you bring two smart people on the show to do this podcast with Rome, we're just going to have a lot to agree on, but when we disagree, we'll disagree. We'll do it loudly. But at this point, you know, we're talking about the cream of the crop in the NFL and I don't think there's much to change. I think you got. I think you got maybe eight or nine good teams. The bottom is going to be crap. And so shake out to a game here and there and we're going to be talking about down to the wire. [01:20:44] Speaker A: Nice. I got Bills number one, Ravens number two. I'm going to go with Chargers number three. Texans number wild card. You already know I got my Steelers. Grab me one of those. [01:21:13] Speaker B: You got to have the Bengals in there, right? [01:21:15] Speaker A: I got the Bengals in there as well. [01:21:20] Speaker B: So then it really comes down to Kansas City and Denver. So we know you got Kansas City. Unless you're really gonna hate on the Chiefs and. [01:21:30] Speaker A: All right, so I am taking kc but here are my long shot playoff, you know, upsets that I'm gonna put some bets on. If there's some shake up here, I'm gonna put some money on the Patriots. I believe in their coaching staff. I believe in Drake May. I'm gonna put some money on the Colts as well. I think they could possibly shake things up. [01:22:04] Speaker B: I like the cold section. [01:22:05] Speaker A: And then I will put somebody on the Broncos as well. So those are like my upsets, you know, my upsets to make the playoffs and shake things up where, you know, it could cuck out my Steelers, Bengals and what else? I think Casey's in either way, they were last year and they still got to 50 wins. Even if they're this year, they're still gonna get the 12 wins. I. I just believe in that and it breaks my heart. [01:22:34] Speaker B: We'll see. We'll see. They got a tough schedule. Like I said early. [01:22:37] Speaker A: Do you guys have any long shots for playoffs outside of that? [01:22:42] Speaker B: I mean, for me, since I didn't have the Chargers, I'd put the Chargers in there. I agree with you, Rome. The Colts are a real A play. So that would be my two biggest long shots. Patriots. Patriots. Just. They're not, they're not ready yet. They're just not ready to get the 10 wins, in my opinion. [01:23:02] Speaker A: No, that's fair. Jason, any long shots you're good with? He got winning the division. [01:23:08] Speaker C: I'm good with it. Where we're at, it's not a long shot, but Pittsburgh is. I think when you come down to what we talked about, there's eight teams probably in and seven slots. And so whether you're talking about the third place team in the AFC north of the AFC west, one of those teams is going to be the outside looking in. But I wouldn't be shocked if Pittsburgh's in there. But as you said, I did a whole thing a half hour ago about believing in Mike Tomlin and he puts his team over.500. But we got, but it's on the bubble. [01:23:34] Speaker B: We got November 9th, Sunday night, SoFi, Chargers, Pittsburgh. [01:23:39] Speaker A: I want to go that game. I want to go that game. [01:23:41] Speaker B: G's got tickets. I, I will be talking this week and maybe I will put myself in that game. [01:23:46] Speaker A: I will do anything for tickets. I want to go. I want to go so badly. All right, well that wraps it up in record time per usual. AFC locked up division winners, wild cards and even some long shot bets. I thought it's pretty good. I thought we covered everything. [01:24:05] Speaker B: Well, who you got, who you got getting to the super bowl of the afc? We didn't, we didn't talk about that. Ah, I mean. Or do you want to save that for next week before the season kicks off while we break down week one games? [01:24:16] Speaker A: I think we can save it. [01:24:17] Speaker B: I like that. [01:24:18] Speaker A: We can save it. [01:24:19] Speaker B: Let's get. Let's call the Tease in the industry, right? Rome. [01:24:21] Speaker A: Let's call the tease. At least we got the winners. [01:24:25] Speaker B: 25 listeners in Russia, they'll have them sleep on the edge of their seats. [01:24:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Thank you to Russia for listening. We should probably learn some Russian because of my name. It's probably because my name Roman. [01:24:38] Speaker C: They, they don't get thrown off by the Valdez. [01:24:42] Speaker B: I think they just like at, but yeah. [01:24:44] Speaker A: Spanish, you know. So 18. [01:24:46] Speaker C: I know I'm bringing in. In the UK, you know they're looking, they were checking this pod for Formula one and then they said, ah, football. But it wasn't Liverpool. So. Yeah. [01:24:56] Speaker A: Yeah. All right. AFC in the books. We got NFC next.