2025 NFL Season Preview Part II: The NFC

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to the pod. You're about to listen to part two in a two part series. We just did the AFC in the previous pod. If you missed that, go ahead and check out that episode. We break it down by division breach conference. Now it is time for the NFC. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back everybody. Time for part two of our NFL preview for the 2025 season. I don't know why I stumbled over that but if you didn't catch the previous episode. We cover the AFC by division. East, north, south and then west pick our division winners the order that we're predicting each division to finish as over unders. For the wins we picked our top four seeds as well as wild cards and potential long shots. We're going to do the same thing for the NFC now and I'm excited to get this underway. We're going to start with the NFC east with the Eagles commanders, Cowboys and Giants. We'll start from the top. We have Eagles at over under 11 and a half wins at minus 135. Washington at nine and a half wins at minus 140. Cowboys seven and a half at plus 110 and then Giants at five and a half at minus 115. I will cover a little bit more of the playoff and division odds and even super bodes in a little bit. But first we'll get everyone's predictions. What you guys got. [00:01:37] Speaker B: The Eagles are the class of the NFC last year. I think they continue to be this year as well, especially within this division. You got a Giants team that has a. Interesting quarterback room. I think overall you got a Cowboys team. That's why I put it. I don't, I don't know. I mean the Cowboys, I know we're just talking about contract holdouts and the documentary on you know, that's about Jerry Jones and things like that. So. [00:02:06] Speaker A: Did you watch that? [00:02:07] Speaker B: I haven't watched it yet. No. I mean I've heard, I've heard positive but mixed things on just the overall like you know the narrative in which they're going from a Jerry Jones perspective. But, but I mean second you got Washington team and huge, I don't want to say surprise last year but it was like one of the most improved teams and what many are saying, hey they got, they got the, they got the number one quarterback of the draft with the number two all pick with Jaden Daniels. I don't agree but you know we'll, we'll see what. [00:02:40] Speaker C: That'S making a lot of people choking up over here. [00:02:43] Speaker B: Well, you know, you Know, he just gets a little lucky this year, but last year, I mean, but yeah, obviously an undeniable talent. And I think you're going to see, you know, that quarterback class, you know, could be one of the best ones of all time. When we all said and done with it. When you look at Bo Nicks and Caleb and, and Jaden. So, but, but that team's, I would say they've. They've upgraded in some places, added, you know, Debo Samuel and other things. They got a running back room that's kind of so deep they traded their basically starting running back, you know, a week ago to the Niners. So I think a lot of faith in what they are building in Washington. But all that being said, the Eagles to me still are the team to be in that division and not kind of spoiler work. I think their team to beat in the NFC just what they are on both sides of the ball. You know, whether. Whether we think the head coach is going to be on the hot seat after winning, after winning as much as he's done, which is just an insane conversation as we talked about, you know, whatever it was nine months ago when they were to get fired, they went on the run. So I think the Eagles win. I think the commanders are a close second. I think the Cowboys are a little bit farther back, sitting in third and kind of no man's land. And the Giants, they're just bringing up the rear again. I don't think, I don't think they know what they want to do in New York still. [00:03:57] Speaker C: Tough division, Tough division here. Rome kind of went back and forth. I'm going to stick with the super bowl champ Eagles to win the division, I believe. Man, it's tough. I mean, they've lost a lot in the secondary. You know, Gardner Johnson's gone, Slay's gone. Bringing in some new players. I know they had some rookies last year that panned out pretty well, but they're gonna have to rely on some new people there to fill some voids. Kellen Moore's gone. You got a new OC going there too. Kind of seen one of this team's done a big major shakeup on the staff before. It wasn't great, but Fangio came, got that defense figured out after, you know, the first month of the year. And the same to Kaylin Moore. I mean, they were 2 and 2 the Eagles last year. Some disappointing losses against the Falcons in Tampa Bay. Two teams that barely, you know, one team finished a game above.500, the other didn't. They Figured it out. They got it going. They were great. Jaden Daniels. Sky's the limit. Sky's the limit for this guy. I think he's going to be even better this year, which is, you know, scary for the rest of the NFC in the league. This is a team that's 100%. This is a team that shockingly got to the NFC Conference Championship game. [00:05:11] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. [00:05:13] Speaker C: You know, the, you know, they, to me, I mean, it was a shocker. I mean, they handed it to Detroit and then just, you know, Philly was looking to get back at him over that game in which they lost in Washington. But, you know, Kenny Picket played quarterback in that one. Herz was out. So to me that those are the two top teams in division. I could see him finishing identical, the same record. And then however the tiebreaker plays out, it plays out to me. They're going to split probably one and one again in the regular season. Interesting when you get to number three, because I do not like the Dallas Cowboys at all this year. I think Schonheimer's a one and done first time Jerry's probably ever done that. He's going to get canned. This is where I'm going to get interesting. I like the Giants. I like the talent they have. I think you're going to see dart at some point, but their schedule is just so damn brutal for the Giants. I think they're a better team than the Cowboys, but their schedule is so bad. Tough. [00:06:10] Speaker B: Hardest schedule in the league. [00:06:11] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a toughest schedule in the league. So I'll say the Cowboys finish third and the Giants finish, you know, fourth in division. But I'm under seven and a half big time on the Cowboys win total. I'll go under five and a half on the Giants win total because like Jason just said, that schedule is brutal and you're going to be throwing a rookie quarterback in there at some point. Likely week 8, 9, 10, somewhere in that stretch. Let me see where their bye week is towards the end. I believe you'll probably see him before then. Probably have a home start against Green Bay, which would be on right before Thanksgiving. So that's when I think you're going to see Jackson dart. And yeah, Eagles, I will say over 11 and a half wins in Washington. One of my best bets. This would be my third over nine and a half wins. I can see both teams getting to 12 wins and like I said, we'll see how the tiebreaker plays out in the division. But I'll go Eagles, commanders, Cowboys, Giants for that Division. [00:07:13] Speaker A: Wow. Jason, what was your order? [00:07:17] Speaker B: Same. [00:07:18] Speaker A: Same. How about over unders? [00:07:21] Speaker B: Were you sitting at Eagles at 11 and a half? [00:07:24] Speaker A: Yes. [00:07:25] Speaker B: I'll take the over on that. Commanders agree with Aaron as. As much as I want to, as much as I want to poo poo about Jaden Daniels, I think there's just too much to like on what he can do. They got the Terry McLaren thing already figured out. I just think I mentioned them a lot last season, but that guy was as good as it gets with a, like wasteland of quarterbacks in the first, you know, couple years of his career, finally gets the guy to throw him to. And I just think I was a Maniki fan. Yeah. I mean, but yeah. And under that, McLaren still got McLaren. I'm sorry, I don't know the pronoun McLaren. [00:08:02] Speaker C: I just call him team. I just call him TMac. Not to get it confused. [00:08:06] Speaker B: Sorry. We didn't, we didn't, we didn't do the F1 podcast yet. But yeah, I just think there's just a lot, a lot of like on there. There's still, there's still stuff with Eckler and I know they love their running back room. You know, defensively, like that was kind of, that was, I think defensively you talked about last year because they, the year prior they get rid of Montez sweat and some of those defensive, good defensive pieces they had. But yeah, I'm not going to be shocked if this team wins the east either. Like, if, like, you know, because Philly, like, I don't want to say they've been hot and cold, but they've had their moments where like calling for Sirianni's job because he's just doesn't beat someone he should have beat. And then, you know, Washington could just maybe take another leap. But the thing, thing we watch out. I don't think it's going to be as bad as the CJ Stroud conversation on a sophomore year because that was mired by injuries and how poor the offensive line was for Houston. But, you know, what's the sophomore season look like now that you've given defensive coordinators a year worth of tape on Jada Daniels and understanding kind of what, what, what they're doing in that, in that offense. I would take the over. I agree with Aaron, what she's talking about. Like, there's a lot to like in this team. I don't, you know, I think the Cowboys, man, I don't want to agree with Aaron on all this stuff, but yeah, there's, there's an opportunity there for both, both Philly and Washington to sweep the other two teams in the division and then split. And so you're looking like a year ago what we saw in the NFC North. Yeah. Hey, these are two teams that could be like 12, 13 wins within the same division because of like how good they are. And they're pushing each other right down to the stretch. [00:09:38] Speaker C: Interesting that they end the season against each other. So Philly has a home game against Washington, which I, I think and Jason seems to be in agreements. We'll decide this division. That will be the game. In Philly, they do run hot, cold. And when they run cold, they get in a losing streak and things kind of go south quick. Right. They can, they were 11 and one, what, two years ago, lost their, what last five games and then went into the playoffs and just got beat. Bad credit to Sirianni and that staff. They made changes. Fangio, Kellen Moore got brought over two and two to start last year. They said, hey, look, we're a running team. They changed up some pieces in their secondary and brought in the young guys, moved some guys in the slot and they were really, really good and they just, they ran away with it. They got hot. That D line is still great for them. That O line is still great for them. They still got Saquon, tons of weapons, but yeah, Jaden Daniels, I mean, what is he going to do with Debo? It seems like there's an upgrade there offensively for them. They've got the offensive line. They upgraded that too. And the running back, you know, Jason just said the guy that's been their, you know, their workhorse the last two years, they just got rid of him for what, a six round pick from the winners. So they're deep there, three, four guys. ERT's coming back at tight end. There's a lot to like. There's a lot to like. And the defense was kind of their weak spot upgraded. Got a corner in the second round out of Mississippi, got another guy, second year player out of Michigan there in the secondary. Still got Lattimore. We'll see, we'll see how it plays out. But yeah, I've got Philly, Washington kind of 1A, 1B and cowboys, giants, you know, not even knocking on the door, being competitive in that division. [00:11:30] Speaker B: Aaron, Aaron calling out the ending game. So for her to believe the, the script is written, you know, that's a perfect flex game into prime time for the NFC east, which we know. Which we know that, which we know the networks love the NSC east. That's just like, that's there. So the script is written. Was it showdown? [00:11:48] Speaker C: Is it still the case? I could be wrong, but has the NFC east not had a back to back division winner in like 20, 25 years? Is that the division? [00:11:57] Speaker A: It's rotated between Cowboys a lot, but everybody's has like. [00:12:02] Speaker C: I can't remember what division it had is in the NFC that hasn't had a back to back division winner in like 20 years. [00:12:09] Speaker B: Well, there's always that thing, I think it's been done where there was a stretch for the NFC south, like it was worse to first like every single year for like a decade or something like that. [00:12:19] Speaker A: Jason, real quick, you got over under on the Cowboys. [00:12:22] Speaker B: What was the line? Seven and a half. [00:12:24] Speaker C: Seven and a half? [00:12:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll take the under. [00:12:27] Speaker A: Okay. And then Giants five and a half. [00:12:31] Speaker B: That's a tough one because I feel like the Giants could win six games. [00:12:35] Speaker C: So do I. I'm gonna say this right now. [00:12:38] Speaker A: I'm a push on that one. [00:12:40] Speaker C: You can't. The Giants five and a half. [00:12:42] Speaker B: Literally you can't push it. [00:12:43] Speaker C: That's why, that's why you have these half games. I mean it's a state. [00:12:48] Speaker A: Stay away. [00:12:48] Speaker C: You know the Giants, I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants finish better than the Cowboys in the division. [00:12:53] Speaker A: Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. [00:12:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't disagree with that. It's just overall like what you're saying, what they're getting from Russell Wilson, where does Jameis play in, how quickly do you get Jackson dart in. But the overall toughness for the Giants is going to be with the schedule. Like you have the hardest schedule in the league. And I know the NFC east overall just going to have a hard schedule. But what's stacked up against the Giants just seems like, man, that's just, it's a lot for a team that just has, has questions. [00:13:20] Speaker C: Here's like their first 10 games. Washington, Dallas, Kansas City, Chargers, New Orleans, Philly, Denver, Philly, San Francisco, Chicago, Green Bay, Detroit, New England. We're talking two. We're talking two. And maybe in that stretch three and ten. [00:13:40] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:13:41] Speaker C: It's. It's tough. That's. That schedule is brutally tough. And it ends with Washington, Minnesota, Vegas, Dallas. [00:13:49] Speaker B: It's tough, but I just think there's some, you know, they play the, you know, the Saints and some of these other things on the schedule. Where do some of these teams fall off that we're not considering? I don't know. That's a tough Bet for me. But I, I'm going to take the over on that. I think they win six games. [00:14:05] Speaker A: Okay. I like it. I got the same order as you guys. 1, 2, 3, 4. Eagles commanders, cowboys, Giants. I do like the pieces of the Giants. I would. I just always like the piece that they got. They did upgrade at quarterback. I think they could get to six or seven wins. So I got the over on that Cowboys. [00:14:23] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna flip. You guys have talked me now. I'm gonna put the Giants three, Cowboys four. What? And I'll take over five and a half. [00:14:33] Speaker A: Oh, wow. Geez. [00:14:37] Speaker C: I don't wanna. I don't want to look like an idiot when the show gets talked about. No, I, I really like the Giants. The schedule scares me. I like them way better than Dallas. [00:14:46] Speaker B: The schedule scare. The schedule scares me. And I think Russell Wilson at the start of the season scares me too. [00:14:51] Speaker C: Because, like, you got Jamis, you got Jameis. He's ready. [00:14:54] Speaker A: That's even scarier, actually. [00:14:56] Speaker C: I mean, I like him better than Russell. [00:14:58] Speaker B: What? [00:15:00] Speaker C: He turns the ball over too much, but he's a better thrower of the ball and he's more mobile still. [00:15:05] Speaker B: You know what? You know, like, you know, it's gonna be like the great Jamis game is gonna be like that Thursday night Amazon prime versus the Eagles that, like, I don't know, they shouldn't win. And it's just gonna, it's gonna be on this prime time stage and they're like, that's the game right there. Like it's. We're gonna get a Jamis appearance against the Eagles. It should be an easy walk over the Eagles win, and Jamis wields them to victory. [00:15:26] Speaker C: No, it's going to be like last year when he threw for like 500 yards in a pick six against the Broncos and lose the game. That's what it's going to be against the Eagles. He's going to get. He's going to. He's going to fumble on like a QB sneak from the two, doing like a tush push, and it's going to get returned by somebody for like a touchdown or something. [00:15:41] Speaker A: Jamus can look like a Hall of Fame quarterback and then look like a complete mess in the same game. [00:15:47] Speaker B: It's like, I really, I really want to. I really want to give whoever the credit is in this Twitter, but I don't remember what it is, but they basically said like, they shame James Jameis needs to be a free agent right down to the cut lines of the team. And then as America, we vote who has the worst quarterback room, and then he gets assigned to that team and has to start. [00:16:07] Speaker A: That's a cool TV show. Yeah, that's like a TV show. [00:16:10] Speaker B: Just like, all right, Indianapolis Colts. We don't believe in Daniel Jones. Let's throw Jameis out there with them. [00:16:17] Speaker C: He probably should be back in New Orleans if that's the. The case. [00:16:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:25] Speaker A: Oh, man, did we miss anything in that division. Oh, yeah. Cowboys. I'm liking, like, some of the things I'm hearing about the players liking the coach, but also that kind of scares me because every time we hear about players liking the coach, they don't do well. [00:16:41] Speaker C: Rome Cowboys been around for 20 years, and no one's ever not liked him. And he's never had an elite unit group. [00:16:48] Speaker A: I know Parsons likes him. Dak likes him. Like, all his star players like him, you know, and they've never lost less than nine games. [00:16:56] Speaker C: Has Micah not. [00:16:58] Speaker A: Go ahead. [00:16:58] Speaker B: I say, I know we talked about this from Schottenheimer when he got hired, but it was like, it was a guy who was the hot name like, a decade ago, right? [00:17:05] Speaker C: He was like, oh, the jets back? And like, yeah, it was like. [00:17:10] Speaker B: It was like, late. It was like 2009 or something like that. I don't even know. Like, he was the OC for the jets. And like, this was, hey, he's the second generation Schottenheimer. This is gonn be the next young OC that's gonna do it. [00:17:20] Speaker A: And then he's just been in, like, an O.C. [00:17:23] Speaker B: This goes around, which is great, but, man, like, Aaron called it out. This is all the makings of, like, a one and done, like, head coach of the. You know, Jerry just waiting for something. And there's been a lot of interesting, like, commentary on the Cowboys and Jerry Jones with the documentary and the Micah Parsons drama and like, them hiring Shotheimer. And just like, I think someone posed the question like, would Jerry rather be the richest owner of the most valuable franchise or actually win a Super Bowl? And I think some are the opinion that, like, he just likes the publicity and the power of what the Being the owner of this team was versus yeah, it doesn't. Doesn't matter to him in the super bowl because. Did he actually admit it? [00:18:04] Speaker A: Not in those words, but he says that he likes when people are talking about the Cowboys. It makes it more interesting. That's why he does all this stuff in the media. [00:18:13] Speaker B: Well, I mean, there's. There's people out there that basically think, like, hey, he doesn't care about overpaying for Micah Parsons, but, like, he's going to drag this crap out because this leads. This leads First Take and First Things first and Sports center and everything. Talking about this contract. [00:18:26] Speaker C: He signed Dag Frost, Dak Prescott to a contract extension, but four hours before kickoff of the opening game last year. [00:18:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:33] Speaker C: And CD Lamb, like, a week before. [00:18:35] Speaker B: And he just spit. [00:18:36] Speaker C: And he already came out and said, hey, I've got a deal done with Micah, and his agent told me to stick it up my ass. So who knows who's telling the truth? But, yeah, Jerry, you know. You know, Rome brought up this point last year. Like, he's kind of, you know, following the, like, you know, Al Davis kind of delusional footsteps where it's like, crazy. No, I don't care how good we are. But like you said, people are talking about us. We're relevant. We're the greatest organization in the NFL, and I don't care. He just doesn't really care. And I feel bad for his kid who's like, kind of like, hey, dude, just kind of step aside and let me take over before I get too old and it's past my time. [00:19:12] Speaker B: I would say the thing with. With Jerry, where you give him some credit, like, obviously, the branding, the marketing, like, what they turn the Cowboys into. But on the flip side, we. We give him. And I say we just. In just podcasts, radio shows, critics, like, hey, they haven't. They haven't won a Super bowl since 95. Like, hey, they haven't been relevant. Like, as a general manager, he's put talent in a competitive team on the field pretty much almost every year now. Maybe doesn't get the job done, and they have some controversy and things in there, and maybe it's just a piece or two missing because of these things he does with contracts until the last minute and maybe overpaying certain things to get publicity. So it doesn't allow you the financial flexibility to do things around the cap. But, I mean, he's not. He's not running it. Like, when's the last time Giants won a playoff game? Like, with Eli Manning won in the second Super Bowl? [00:20:01] Speaker C: Like, he's not Daniel Jones. No, he did not win one. He did. He beat Minnesota. So he did win one playoff game. But. But, yeah, no one remembers that. [00:20:09] Speaker B: Right. But so, I mean, there's the competitive teams for the Cowboys, they just. I think it's image and brand versus results. And, hey, they haven't had Patriots or Chief success, but this is a 10 billion dollar plus franchise that, you know, every part of the year. Stephen A. And First Take are talking about them on someone's contract or whatever it might be when it comes to the Cowboys. So it's. It's an overall interesting piece, but I. I do agree, Aaron. Like, this is a. This is a one and done for Schottenheimer. There's gonna be drama. Someone's gonna get hurt. [00:20:45] Speaker A: I mean, a lot of people are calling it. [00:20:46] Speaker B: Yeah, well, yeah, I mean. I mean, it's obvious. I think. I think it's an obvious take, that this is just a. Whatever. I don't know who Jerry's candidate is. Is it Belichick? Is he waiting for this Belichick disaster? I don't know. [00:20:58] Speaker A: He's stuck in Carolina now. [00:21:00] Speaker C: I. I don't know. I mean, yeah, I. I. Credit to what Jason said. Look, he's done a good job of pinning players and talent on the team, on the. I mean, the Cowboys, they haven't made the, you know, the super bowl in, what, 30 years. But during those 30 years, how many below 500 seasons have they had? I would guess probably less than a third of Those have been below 500. Tony Romo. Tony Romo. They were really relevant. They were good. [00:21:25] Speaker B: I'm thinking of the Dave Campo era. I think that was the Emily. [00:21:27] Speaker C: He had about two or three bad years, but that wasn't a rebuild. And then he brought in with parcels and they got that turned around, but, you know, clashing heads there. So, I mean, where's Jerry? He's gonna be at 83, 84. I mean, it has been a little. [00:21:44] Speaker A: Bit more recently that they were under 500. Do you guys want to guess what year? [00:21:48] Speaker B: Well, last year. [00:21:48] Speaker C: Well, last year. Yeah. But I mean, Dak. Dak Prescott, in years that he has not gotten hurt, has he made the playoffs? Every year, excluding the years he got hurt. Because he got hurt last year. And then, remember, he got hurt like week five or six, like three years ago, and they were, you know, Cooper Rush came in and did okay. I believe they still missed the playoffs by a game or two. But Dak Prescott has been. He's been in the playoffs, I want to say probably four of those first seven years in the league. [00:22:15] Speaker B: 5. [00:22:16] Speaker A: Did he become the starting quarterback? [00:22:19] Speaker C: Maybe 2018. [00:22:20] Speaker A: 2018. [00:22:21] Speaker C: Whatever year he was drafted, he became the starting QB in the year. The year Tony Romo retired. [00:22:27] Speaker A: So I don't remember when Tony Romeo retired. [00:22:29] Speaker B: He was drafted in 2016. [00:22:31] Speaker C: 2016. [00:22:35] Speaker A: I'm sorry. Yeah, right here. Offensive Rookie of the Year, 2016. Jason Garrett was coach of the Year that year. They were first in the NFC East 13 3. Next year they were 9 7. The year after that. So they missed the playoffs that year. Then they won again. The East 10 and 6. Beat the Seahawks and lost. The Rams did not make the playoffs in 20, 19 or 20. They were second and third. They were under.500 in 20, 26 and 10. [00:23:04] Speaker C: That's probably the year Dak got hurt. [00:23:06] Speaker A: So I stand corrected on that one. They were.500 the year prior. Then they won the east again at 12:5. Mika Parsons was defensive rookie of the Year. They lost to the 49ers. I do remember that game. 23 to 17. Not a good game for the 49ers. But 22, they were second at 12. 5. They beat the Bucks, then lost the Niners again. Dak Prescott was the Walter Payne man of the year, I guess. Mike McCarthy. And then, yeah, then they got first. It's been back and forth, first and second. All right, my bad. I thought. I thought it's been like a lot longer than that, that they've been under.500. They were also 4 and 12 in 2015. [00:23:54] Speaker C: Yeah, so they've been. I mean, yeah, like Jason said, they've been good. They've been relevant. They've been pretty good. [00:23:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:59] Speaker C: And Jerry's done a good job from a GM standpoint of whoever kind of scouting department he put around because they. They focus on the offensive line when they brought Dak in, and the running game, Zeke Elliott, guys like that CD Lamb, you know, they had Dalton Schultz and some other good tight ends. But, yeah, I mean, this team this year, the Shonheimer, higher. You know, Mike McCarthy wanted to stay. He didn't get the extra year. We'll see what happens. I mean, if the Cowboys are really, really bad, maybe they make a move. Maybe he blames it on all the off season, you know, players not showing up for camp, Micah Parsons, whatnot. But we'll see. [00:24:37] Speaker A: I just find it hard to believe that they're gonna not win. If they got a healthy Dak Prescott, they're not gonna win at least eight or nine games. So I got a lean on the over on that one. [00:24:48] Speaker C: I'll go under. Let's go. [00:24:50] Speaker A: Next division. We spent way too long on the Cowboys, America's team. [00:24:57] Speaker C: Oh, this is Jason's. This is Jason's division. [00:24:59] Speaker B: I said. I said buckle up. You thought we spent too much time in the NSC East. Now we're talking the best division in football right now. [00:25:08] Speaker A: Rome again, back to back Years, best division, hands down. Fucking crazy. [00:25:14] Speaker B: I'm not. Because I'm not. And let me tell you why. Rome, before we even get started. Why is it. Why is it the best, your division? The ASC north got three studs. And the Browns not so good. AFC west got three studs. Raiders not so good. NFC north, you would say we got three studs. And they're not so good are my Bears. However, I don't think there's anyone with the buzz right now. The Chicago Bears and what they could look like. And they got the right coach. I think we have the right quarterback for the first time in a franchise history. He's got all the weapons he can. And so this is the only division where you can say, hey, these all four teams right now, to me, playoffs, not saying they're making it. These are playoff contenders. [00:26:01] Speaker C: You can't tell me that. [00:26:02] Speaker B: What other division has four teams that straight up all play out, all make the playoffs? [00:26:07] Speaker A: I gotta be honest with you. I am down on the Minnesota Vikings this year. [00:26:11] Speaker B: Well, I'm 100 down on the Minnesota Vikings. I think the Vikings finished last. But. [00:26:18] Speaker A: But is that a unanimous. A clean sweep. I'll just write that down right now. [00:26:23] Speaker B: Just write it down. Because I feel the national media has been talking about Caleb. Everything's about Caleb. And like, this is where it's at. Has the great first preseason game that he actually played just lit up. The Dolphins wasn't so great for the Chiefs, you know, so he's up and down, but it's been all the drama. But where's in the news coverage of JJ McCarthy? [00:26:46] Speaker A: That's why I'm down. [00:26:48] Speaker B: I'm just saying down, dude. I'm just saying we're like hiding J.J. mcCarthy out there. And you know, I admit it, I'm not watching the Vikings preseason games. I don't know Aaron, if Aaron's breaking down film of Vikings preseason right now, but there was, there was some rumblings, I think, in some other media. [00:27:04] Speaker A: They're hiding him a lot. [00:27:05] Speaker B: They're hiding him. [00:27:06] Speaker A: They're hiding him a lot. [00:27:07] Speaker B: I can't put it past me in my mind that this guy went to the national championship game in Michigan for the best Michigan team in forever. He's. He's okay. He's good in college, but even in college, Harbaugh was hiding him. He wasn't the reason they won the national title. And so you're telling me they were. [00:27:27] Speaker A: Hiding Brady when he was there, you know, ready, kept working Brady. [00:27:30] Speaker B: Wasn't this the Michigan team? [00:27:32] Speaker C: Brady was a seventh round pick too. Not eight. [00:27:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:35] Speaker C: But top 15. [00:27:38] Speaker B: And I don't want to put it on J.J. mcCarthy because like yes, I think the expectations are a little higher because he's drafted in the first round. But I'm not convinced this guy was a first round talent. And I have quarterbacks we reach all the time. And given the, the pedigree of that draft, like teams wanted a quarterback because things were going quickly. When you got past Caleb and Jaden and who else we got there? Bo Nix, you know, teams. [00:28:01] Speaker C: Yeah, Pinnocks, Pennix, those guys. [00:28:03] Speaker B: And so guys were going and the Vikings, like, man, we got to get a quarterback. I think the Pennix pick was obviously the shocker of that. [00:28:09] Speaker C: What did, what did J.J. where'd he go in that draft? Because Minnesota moved up to like 10. Right. Because they had a leap for. I think they leapfrogged the Raiders because the Raiders needed QB and Denver and Minnesota both leapfrogged the Raiders to get in and get, you know, JJ and the Knicks follow. I believe that's how it went. [00:28:28] Speaker B: Yeah, it sounds right. I, I just think that's where the fallback and you saw at the end of kind of as well as great as Minnesota was last year and I think me, me in particularly was just waiting every week for their downfalls. Like hey, this is. [00:28:42] Speaker C: It came. [00:28:42] Speaker B: Yeah, it came quick. Like the, the I think was the Sunday night game versus the Lions or something like that or even before that it was just like we, we saw the real, the real. [00:28:52] Speaker C: The last two games that Sunday night and that wild card playoff game against the Rams. I think the Vikings are a lot closer to that than what we saw in the 14 wins. So you take that 14 number, you divide it by two. Rome, what does that equal? Seven. That's how many games the Vikings are going to win this year. Tops seven games. [00:29:11] Speaker A: I like McCarthy as a quarterback. Let's get that away. But he has a long way to go. He's missed a whole year. Every, every time we see a quarterback that's missed this much time, it takes them a little while to get adjusted. Also for whether you guys like Sam Darl or not, he was lights out. He led the league in a lot of stats, especially deep balls. Absolutely killed it. I actually give him a slight chance of killing it in Seattle as well. I was not a big fan, but if you're looking at the stats, the stats don't lie. This guy was money. They're going to be missing that big time. He just had a really great connection with the Wide receivers and he had the whole locker room. So it's going to be a drop down either way. [00:29:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree with that as much as maybe Sam Donald wasn't the. Hey, he's the franchise and what we're doing. We had got a conversation last season. [00:29:57] Speaker C: Where it was good. [00:29:58] Speaker B: It was good and he went around the league. It bounced around and there's some maturity to that position. I mean quarterback in professional football. Hardest position there is the amount of time, the amount of information you have to process as quickly. It is under three seconds to understand like what's going on. It takes some time and you know Geno Smith was another one where you know, didn't work out Sat. Now he's a starter. Darnold's kind of there and I think it was just like a perfect storm. But as Aaron mentioned those last two games, the Lions in prime time. You know when it was time for Sam Darnold ty to make his money there. [00:30:33] Speaker A: It cost him dude. It cost him. [00:30:35] Speaker C: Well he still got paid by Seattle but yeah, it cost him in Minnesota for sure. [00:30:39] Speaker A: Not a max contract. Yeah, right. [00:30:40] Speaker C: We got 100 mil three year deal. That's not bad for Sam Darnold there wasn't so. But Yeah, I mean JJ McCarthy like you said he lost. I mean that was a tight preseason battle before his knee. He, you know, Taurus Meniscus. They didn't even announce the starter and then it boom. It just kind of fell into Sam Darnold's lap. So. [00:31:02] Speaker A: We'Ll see slights out. Yeah, he, he was going to take it. [00:31:06] Speaker C: All right. [00:31:07] Speaker A: So we didn't even list the over unders for this division yet. We just went straight to battle. Lions are at ten and a half over under at minus 125. The packers are at nine and a half. Aaron's team minus 120. Vikings listed at eight and a half at plus 125. And the Bears listed at eight and a half at Plus 100 which I find that pretty interesting. Who wants to go first? Should we just let Jason take it away? No, Jason, go. Go ahead and lay it down for us. [00:31:37] Speaker B: All right. Well I'll take you by surprise. My heart wants to tell you that the Bears just run away with the division. But I'm not going to say that right. I think the. I think the Bears realistically probably finished third. I think. Yeah, I think, I think for them and many people are predicting they still finish in last that they're not as good as Minnesota. But I think that's the Team that falls there. I think the Minnesota is good. [00:31:58] Speaker A: I just think it's gonna be a drop off. [00:31:59] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's a drop off and I think it's a drop off, honestly, for all three of the NFC north teams that made the playoffs last year because it was insane the records put in within one division for what could be. Detroit, I think has the regression to the mean a little more too. They lost both coordinators. Those are, those are things you don't kind of rebuild. I think the culture building that has gone on with Dan Campbell in Detroit has been awesome. But what its success is owed to Ben Johnson and the offensive side of the ball and you know, for a little part of Aaron Glenn, the defensive side, although I'm not as worried about there, but I do worry about the offensive side and how much, you know, Ben Johnson's influence on that offense is going to take. He resurrected Jared Goff who was at a quarterback guru already with the Rams, and this guy somehow made him better than Sean McVay ever made him look in his offense. And so does Dan Campbell have, you know, the replacements behind Ben Johnson to go there. Part of the leadership of a head coach is developing your coaching talent too. Knowing when you're good, you're getting poached. And I think this is a year where hey, there's a little bit of a regression to the mean on Detroit. However, I think you say at ten and a half, this still a really good team. They have, you know, a ton of weapons, especially in the running game. I think you continue to see the two running back set with Montgomery and Gibbs, but do you start seeing Gibbs get a little more of the lion's share of carries here? And I say lying but you know, does Gibbs get a little more because he's the game breaker in the offense. You know, what is. What is like Laporta's, you know, production increase or decrease with the new coordinator if they start spreading the ball around a little more. So I, I do think Detroit's in the over. I still think they win this division. I guess. Green. Green Bay. This. I guess this is probably where me. [00:33:52] Speaker A: Disagreeing right now actually that what I'm. [00:33:56] Speaker B: I'm picking the Lions. [00:33:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Keep on going. [00:34:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Green. Green Bay. As much as I never want to put Green Bay ahead of the Bears, they do have a ton of great pieces like on their team and around Jordan Love. They may not have the clear number one wide receiver, but they have a ton of great, probably number two wide receivers where you don't know where the ball is going to go. But Jordan Love, I think has something to prove this year as well. But I think his development and what they do in Green Bay has always been great and I think they got, you know, the right, they've had the right coaching staff in place. Where is what's there? Is there nine and a half in Green Bay? Yeah, I think it's another one that's probably looking at a potential over here, maybe at the 10 win spot. So you know, it'll be tight. And the Bears, like I said, I'm a slot the Bears third eight and a half. You said it was interesting. I think the bears are a nine, maybe 10 win team. I've know I think they can win up to 11 games but it'll be close. But I think the Bears are an over and again we're going to go back to strength of schedule. Anyone in the NFC north when it comes to it is the hardest schedule because of how good these records were overall. So I think all four NFC north teams have a top 10 hardest schedule in the league because you know who they're playing with even in the division and outside the division. But offensively the Bears are going to be better. Maybe they don't come out to the hottest start and then what's going to be the resiliency of that? Because those are the questions in training camp around Caleb Williams has been like, hey, like is this, is this guy going to be resilient in the face of adversity? When it comes down to statistically for Caleb Williams in his last year Rome, do you remember how many like yards Caleb threw for last year? [00:35:39] Speaker A: I think it was like 3803, 500, 3500. [00:35:45] Speaker B: Bears have never had a 4, 000 yard pass. [00:35:47] Speaker A: That's right. [00:35:48] Speaker C: Did they get it this year? Do they get it this year? [00:35:50] Speaker B: They get it this year. So you're telling me, you're telling me all the media coverage on Caleb Williams because he missed like three, three throws in a freaking net or some crap? [00:35:59] Speaker A: Like one or three throws. [00:36:00] Speaker B: Yeah. It wasn't 10. [00:36:04] Speaker C: But hey, give credit to Minnesota. They're not, they're not leaking any of those videos on their end from J.J. right? [00:36:10] Speaker B: True. [00:36:10] Speaker C: Also. Or maybe, or maybe he's hitting bullseye. They don't want people to know. We're gonna find out here in week one in about, you know, we'll find it out. [00:36:17] Speaker B: My thing though is like if you're, if you're gonna, if you're gonna push, if you're gonna push Caleb, you know, this is when you do it in practice and you do it in training camp. So I. What? I. What? I don't like the narrative. And this is anyone's training camp. This is practice, man. Like, you know, practice. We're talking about practice. We're talking about practice. And so Ben Johnson's philosophy is, I'm throwing everything at Caleb Williams. [00:36:38] Speaker A: Monday Night Football. Week one. [00:36:40] Speaker B: Week one. Week one. Really, really do it. I love this calendar. It's a great. It's a. The schedule's great. [00:36:49] Speaker A: Talk about the circus survival calendar. I can't believe I've been living without it. It just highlights everything. It's great. Thank you. [00:36:57] Speaker B: So. But top, I guess I missed out on you guys Vegas trip. We don't need to really talk about that. Being on at Circa. But yeah, no podcast last week. Recording. Like, Rome was texting me at 11pm about podcasts, but sleeping like at 5pm or something and missing their dinner reservations. [00:37:14] Speaker A: Oh, no. I was pretty lit that day. Not gonna lie. Well, real quick, little. Little side note, what. What messed me up was I was looking forward to having the spa water at the Circa pool, whatever it's called. Yeah, it is phenomenal. It's hydrating, has cucumber mint. It's vodka, whatever. It's good. You can drink that all day. It's an alcoholic stream. But they said open bar, and it wasn't the normal drinks. You had to go to the bar in the back. It's a VIP area and that's cool. But they. Now you're just talking about like, well, drinks. Vodka soda, whatever. Cranberry. They had beers. They had shots. That's where I messed up. [00:37:54] Speaker C: That's where you messed up. [00:37:55] Speaker A: Shot. [00:37:56] Speaker C: You didn't take this one. [00:37:57] Speaker A: I had like four or five reposado shots. Three at least. And I kept on switching alcohols because I was just not satisfied with the drinks. And that's probably why the rest of the night went out, went the way it was. And I vaguely remember what happened on the rooftop after that. [00:38:13] Speaker C: So. [00:38:17] Speaker B: I don't know. I only remember getting a text from Aaron. Don't respond to Rome. He's drunk. We're not recording tonight. [00:38:23] Speaker C: Oh. [00:38:26] Speaker A: We need to have a controversy segment. [00:38:29] Speaker B: All right, we'll bring into the controversy segment. But getting back to the back to the best division in football again, to me, what holds this is the best division. Football. You have four teams that are competing for playoffs. I don't think there's a bottom dweller in here. It's going to be super competitive. I think these over unders I gave you, you know, you're going to be coming clowning me back in November when maybe the Bears are under or somebody else is under because every team's at nine wins. But I think every, everyone in this division is that good. They're playing a very hard schedule against other out of conference because they're playing the, they're playing the ASC north, if I'm correct on this. [00:39:04] Speaker A: I'm sorry. [00:39:05] Speaker C: Playing. Yes. AFC North. [00:39:08] Speaker B: They're playing the AFC North. So they're playing another great division. [00:39:12] Speaker C: Got the, the two, the two best divisions in football. [00:39:15] Speaker B: Yes. Going head go. Yeah. Ahead and then, you know, and then they got the ASC east which is. No, you know, they, they're top two heavy. But now you play a great, you know, commanders team and a great Cowboys team. So it's a very tough schedule for all four teams in the NFC north. And so that's where I think it's going to really impact the win totals. I think the Bears take the step that they need to, but it's only just this one small step. But they got an interesting like first couple of games. I think the Bears do until it gets really hard, you know, in that middle stretch with a back to back in Baltimore, Cincinnati. But you know you still got games against New Orleans, you still got games against the Giants and the Raiders and, and stuff like that in the schedule. But that's what I got. Rome. I maybe, maybe I took it back a little bit. Not saying the Bears are gonna win the division, but I'm gonna go with my head on this and then not. [00:40:01] Speaker A: Just tell you that I'm shocked because last year the team was not as good and you had him winning 1012 games. [00:40:08] Speaker B: And I will say last year I expected more, I expected more from Kayla. But when you say expect more, the guy for the, for three, 600 yards and any other, any other time in Bears history, I'd be clamoring for a 36 yard Corvette that played every game. Like it wasn't like, you know, Justin Fields, as much as I liked him, hey, he missed time. [00:40:27] Speaker C: You know, I mean let's be, let's be realistic. The Bears season took a once that Hail Mary connected against Washington. They win that game, they go to five and two from that, that, from there it was downhill. Like it was downhill. [00:40:41] Speaker A: Death in the middle of the season, that was so great. [00:40:42] Speaker B: It was. I remember where I was, I was at watching it because everyone thought the game was over and I literally died in my friend's Living room just understanding what happened because I was so hyped up for what was happening. But at the end of the day, Rome, all the heartbreak and the disappointment from last year got Matty Berfluse fired and brought in probably the best coaching hire the Bears have had maybe since Mike Ditka at this point. But I think this guy's gonna. But I think he's gonna move him in the right direction. I think he knows, he knows what he potentially wants the offense to be. It's not going to be everything you saw in Detroit, but there's a lot of interesting pieces offensively and for the. To the Bears credit, they have given what they didn't give Justin Fields, maybe not what they gave Mitch Trubisky, they have getting Caleb Williams everything he could possibly need to be successful. So if it doesn't, you know, not only the weapons but what they invest in the offensive line. And we talked a lot the off season about that. You basically redid the entire middle with, with signing, you know, a new center, getting Tooney, getting Jackson on the right guard. They already had a great right tackle that they drafted. I think left tackle is a little. [00:41:49] Speaker C: Bit up in the air. [00:41:50] Speaker B: There's probably a little bit questions. But I think they got, you know, Ozzy Trapillo, second round pick out of Boston College and got some different things going on the left tackle. But they have got the offensive weapons, they got the offensive line and so it's up to Caleb to be successful. Hey, throw it for 4,000 yards and you lead this team to 10 wins and maybe a playoff berth. I think that's a success. First year for Ben Johnson and what you're looking for. But it's a very tough schedule and a very hard division. [00:42:14] Speaker C: Real quick. [00:42:15] Speaker A: Vikings over, under, what do you have it at? [00:42:19] Speaker C: 8 and a half. [00:42:20] Speaker A: 8 and a half. [00:42:21] Speaker B: I'm going to put the under on that. [00:42:23] Speaker A: Wow. [00:42:24] Speaker B: Nice. [00:42:26] Speaker C: So, yeah, I'm going to. [00:42:28] Speaker A: All right, Aaron. [00:42:28] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean we're all in agreeance. Vikings last in the division. [00:42:33] Speaker A: Yep. [00:42:34] Speaker C: I'm on the under eight and a half wins as well. I got them at 7, 8 wins. Take that number 14 last year. Cut that in half. I'm going to agree with Jason. I'm going Bears to finish third. They got a ton, a ton of talent on offense. I mean, I'm looking at the, you know, they brought in Luther Burden III from Missouri, Colson Loveland from Michigan. I mean tons of offensive weapons. The offensive line has been upgraded, but again, it's going to come down to how well, is Caleb Williams progressing? Can he get better? Can he get rid of the ball faster? Not take as many sacks? Can he work in Ben Johnson's offense? Jared Goff did, but Jared Goff was a very quick processor. Can Caleb Williams get to that? That's kind of what been the real question. The talent is there, the arm strength, the speed, the mobility, that's all there. But is his process and ability to get there? It's going to be the big question mark. Can he get better? We're going to find out. So I got the Bears going third. Eight and a half wins. I'm going under. I think they're an eight win team. Potential nine could get to 10 if Caleb can really shine. But until I see more, I'm going under eight and a half. I got them at eight wins. This run would be the shakeup. I got the Lions finishing second in the division. It shouldn't be much of a shocker, but hey, I do. [00:43:49] Speaker A: Of course you do. [00:43:50] Speaker C: And the reason why, two new coordinators, right? You lost. You lost two coordinators got head coaching gigs. You're replacing them. You know, we talk about chemistry a lot. I mean, look at Baltimore. They've lost a lot of coaches. They've always kind of started slow. I think that's a better put together team, a better staff of Harbaugh and those guys been together longer. Campbell, I like the guy, but let's see how these new guys play out defensively. Can they stay healthy? They already lost, you know, one guy in the off season that was supposed to be their starting nose tackle. He's already out for the year. You know, I like Aiden Hutchinson. He's. He's just a student, you know, freak accident last year breaking his leg in Week 6 against the Cowboys. But that would be key. Can those guys stay healthy on defense and offensively we expect them to be good, but they're not going to be as good. [00:44:37] Speaker A: Right. [00:44:37] Speaker C: They're not going to win 15 games and just run away from the NFC like they did last year. I think there's going to be a regression for sure. I got the Detroit Lions under 10 and a half wins. I got them winning 10. And then we get to the Golden Boys, the Green Bay Packers. Yes. I'm not really sold on Jordan Love. That's what really that. Yeah. I mean, the film does not look great. This, the film does not look great. Are we going to see the Jordan love we saw two years ago? Weeks 11 through 17, 18. [00:45:05] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [00:45:06] Speaker C: That's the Jordan Love that played last year. Now look, he did get that meniscus brain in week one kind of affected him. He had a thumb injury and his thumb just had off season surgery on a non throwing hand. But look, they went out, they got the first wide receiver they taken in the first round in what 20 years and golden out of Texas. To add to that speed that Jason mentioned, they already got a ton of wide receivers. They got tight ends, they got Jacobs as a running back. Their O line's good, their defense should be better. Under second year defensive coordinator I got the packers over nine and a half games victories and taking the NFC North. So Packers, Lions, Bears, Vikings, that's my order. [00:45:46] Speaker A: Well thank you for that Aaron. Actually looking at this, this might be the, the best division talent wise, top to bottom. Every team's pretty loaded. It's just a matter of like coaching and etc. I got the Lions winning the division again. I, I do see a drop off. I got him as an 11 or 12 win team. So slight drop but they had a lot of entries last year. They still got the 13 wins, 15. [00:46:11] Speaker C: Last year round 15, 15. [00:46:12] Speaker A: I'm sorry. So they're not gonna get pummeled back to back years. That hardly ever happens in NFL. They're gonna see a little bounce back but we should see a little discomfort. We see this with every good team. Even with the Eagles, right there's like a little dip. But they still take the division. Go number one. We all agree on Vikings. This is where I have some difficulty here because as much as I, I want to dislike the Bears as much as I do, you know, just because Jason's so up on Kayla Williams and I actually, I don't know the verdict. I, I have less confidence Caleb Williams than I do in Jordan Love. I do expect to see an uptick with their new coach, new offensive coordinator, the new weapons. They did lose some really tough games last year. Because they had a dumb coach. Because they had a dumb coach. I was, that's the main thing. They've upgraded everywhere else and they're. And, and they're going to bring in Ben Johnson who's not going to make those same mistakes at those dumb junctions in the season. I got them over eight and a half. I potentially got him being number two in the division, fighting for number two with the Green Bay Packers. I know some people are up on the packers because they got Love. It was a year 26, 27. Is he going to follow the trifecta of winning the super bowl on that birth year? Just like Favre and Aaron Rodgers, you know and Then and then not winning one ever again. Who knows? I think the packers coach might be top three best coach in the NFL, possibly first. [00:47:46] Speaker C: For a second there, Rome, I thought you were going to say he was on the hot seat the way you kind of filled that up. I was like, wait, wait, is Rome going to say this guy's on the hot seat? [00:47:53] Speaker A: No, no. I don't think anyone's in the hot seat in this division. Everyone's pretty safe. Like you can tank this year and like you're not gonna get fired. Like everyone's pretty good. If something goes wrong, it's gonna be pretty, pretty legit. So I got the Bears on the over, potentially being the second seed. I do got the packers on the over as well. I got them right at 10 wins. It's just a matter of like, how's that gonna finish? 10, 11 wins, both those teams. And that's how I got it for the Vikings though. I think it's just right at eight wins. It just might be at under. They're going to be a solid team, I think McCarthy hopefully, you know, to make me look like, like I'm right, you know, because I watched every Michigan game. I think he'll be good, he'll show some promise. And it's gonna be like a division full of young quarterbacks because golf is going to be gone in a year or two anyways. It's gonna be a three headed monster there. But yeah, Vikings, I got them under at eight wins. That's it. [00:48:54] Speaker B: Who would have thought when you started this division, Rome was going to be the most positive of my Chicago Bears? [00:48:59] Speaker A: I know. Crazy, huh? Pretty crazy. It's gonna be a pretty fun division though. Be a lot of fun. Can't wait to call those predictions next week. That's gonna be fun. All right, move on. [00:49:15] Speaker C: Yes. [00:49:19] Speaker A: I think we covered everything. We got the NFC south next, Tampa nine and a half wins plus 100, Falcons seven and a half plus 125. Panthers six and a half minus 145 and Saints at five and a half, minus 135. I don't know. I find this interesting because it kind of depends on what you think. Now there might. I'll talk about that later. It's just all about the odds about playoffs and stuff like that. But who you guys got. [00:49:53] Speaker B: I think if you're looking at it the Buccaneers, I think they're favored to win the division, will win the division. Atlanta was the team all as we. I think we were talking every week about Cincinnati catching on, but we were Also talking every week about Atlanta. Hey, you should have ran away with this division. What are you doing? But this is gonna be my pick. He saves your pick. But I think this is going to be Michael Penix's team right now. And what, what does that look like in you know, year two? First full year as a starter. They got a great running back. I think they got some pieces around panics to make him look good. But, but I think it's gonna be tight. Carolina no longer maybe the worst team in football like they have been for the past couple years. That, that, that prize is probably going to go to the New Orleans Saints who are likely going to be the worst team in football. [00:50:47] Speaker A: 100. [00:50:47] Speaker B: I don't know. What's your, what's your over under on the Saints? Two and a half. [00:50:52] Speaker C: Five and a half. [00:50:53] Speaker A: I got five and a half. I think it's pretty high. [00:50:55] Speaker C: Interesting. The Saints have not one quarterback on their roster that has an NFL win as a starter and they're at five and a half wins. [00:51:05] Speaker A: I don't think any of these predictions went below five and a half. Right. [00:51:09] Speaker C: I had Browns at four and a half on mine that we did. Yeah, that was the lowest I had at my book. But yeah, a couple teams at five and a half. Four and a half. [00:51:18] Speaker B: But yeah, which, which to me is. I think it's just crazy when you're looking at the Saints team. I like, I feel like they're in, they're in such salary cap purgatory from Ryan's guy, Sean Payton that has just gone over every administration in years since that I, it's crazy that when you talk about none of these quarterback who won games and so I, I'd go definitely the under on that. If I'm looking right now where this is a team that wins like two, three games maybe and just kind of a doormat to the rest of the NFC and this division because hey, maybe what decides this division we're looking at is like how do you, how does, how does Atlanta and Tampa play inside the division? Because last year Atlanta was just losing games that they should have won that we were just picking. And. [00:52:10] Speaker C: Atlanta, Atlanta I believe had a two game lead after the first seven, eight weeks because remember Tampa Bay lost Mike Evans and a lot of entries last year. [00:52:20] Speaker A: Yeah, Godwin, Godwin. [00:52:22] Speaker C: And they were looking, you know, they had nobody they went into on Monday, they went on a Monday night, lost a heartbreak game in overtime there against the Chiefs and they were looking done. And then Kirk Cousins literally goes a three week stretch where he throws, what, one touchdown and 10 interceptions, and they didn't pull them. And it's so great. Then they eventually pull them against, you know, Washington in the biggest game of the year, when Washington needs to win again in the playoffs as well. Their season just kind of went downhill. But, yeah, I agree with Jason. This is, you know, Pinnock's team. In fact, somebody's so in love with Pinnock, somebody called their circus survivor the 12 inch pinnocks. So we'll see how that gets played out. [00:53:03] Speaker A: All right, Jason, you got the Saints under five and a half. I got you two or three wins. [00:53:09] Speaker C: I'm gonna greens with that. Two, three wins, under five and a half. Give me that all day. [00:53:13] Speaker A: Okay. And then Rattler just got in the. [00:53:18] Speaker C: Starting quarterback today, too, I believe, for them, so. Yeah, yeah, he's looked the best in preseason, so. [00:53:24] Speaker A: Yeah. What about the Panthers? [00:53:26] Speaker B: Where are they sitting? Six and a half. Seven and a half. [00:53:28] Speaker A: Six and a half. [00:53:31] Speaker B: I think this is one of the teams last year, you know, the. That it was. [00:53:36] Speaker A: I gotta be honest, you. I like them. I like to make a big move this year. [00:53:40] Speaker B: I don't know if it's making a big move, but I think they got, you know, they definitely got some interesting, interesting pieces. You know, they draft McMillan in the first round in this draft. So you're giving Bryce Young the number one receiver. They already had, you know, Xavier Leggett feeling, I guess, is still on the roster. Although there's a bunch of trade rumors. [00:54:04] Speaker C: Yeah, Minnesota's trying to get them back. [00:54:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:07] Speaker B: So there's some stuff there. But, you know, they had some. They had some other guys like I was a Coker and David Moore and some other people like that. So they had some interesting stuff. Chubba Hubbard, or is it Chubba or Chuba? I don't know. Whatever we put it out. I mean, I think. I think underrated back, I think. Was he, like top five last year and like, rushing or something like that? When you looked at some of his. [00:54:34] Speaker C: Stuff, I'm looking right now. Lead. Yeah, almost. Almost half his carries, 41.8% were 5 yards or more per carry. Yeah, I mean, he was. He was a really bright spot for them the first half of the year before Bryce Young kind of came on and, you know, played a little bit better. [00:54:52] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, it was. It was a career year for him, stepping up. Got almost 1200 yards. And so, I mean, I think. I think you have a little bit, you know, piece place in there. So I. As bad as Carolina was the last Couple years and it's, it's tough not to. You said six and a half, right? Yeah, it's sneaky where they could be like a seven win team in this division, eight win team in this division. [00:55:15] Speaker A: So I got them at 8 or 9. [00:55:16] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. So I take the over. I still think they finish in third, but I'm not going to be surprised if, you know, Atlanta doesn't get it together and Penix has some struggles and you know, Bryce Young proves a little more. Like we saw. We saw Bryce Young throw, you know, had some glimpses, few flash here and there, won a couple games. [00:55:38] Speaker A: He looked at the end of the. [00:55:40] Speaker B: Year, still got Andy Dalton kind of backing him up and it seems like that's a, you know, a good mentorship and kind of partnership they have in there, which is not something you get all the time. With the, the Red Rocket. Yeah, with the Red. With the, with their veteran quarterback that still wants to be the starting quarterback. So yeah, I like the over, I like that. But I still finished third, Atlanta finishes second and then Tampa wins a division. But I would say out of anything we've said so far, maybe I'm the least confident in the way this division finishes out of any division. [00:56:11] Speaker A: I'm, I'm as far as top as. [00:56:13] Speaker B: Far as I think. I think we know the Saints are bad, but I think when you look at the 1 through 3, like I'm not going to be surprised if like Atlanta doesn't figure it out and Carolina jumps to two or even. Even if Atlanta does figure it out and then they win the division over Tampa Bay, like I think there's a lot of parity within which could happen within this division. [00:56:32] Speaker C: I think this is, for me personally, this is the easiest division in the NFC to pick a winner. [00:56:36] Speaker A: Wow, I gotta write that down. Yeah. [00:56:39] Speaker C: I mean, because I mean I look at, you know, we already talked about Washington, Philadelphia. I see them interchangeable. Green Bay, Detroit could be interchangeable. We'll get to the NFC West. But I think Tampa's. Dude, I think Tampa's going to run away with the division. [00:56:52] Speaker B: Okay. [00:56:53] Speaker C: I think they're, I think Baker and those guys are the clear favorites. They've upgraded their defensive secondary. Yeah, I think over nine and a half wins. I think, I think Tampa's gonna get at least 10, maybe 11. I mean I, I just don't have a lot of faith in Atlanta. We've been talking about him for a while. Remorse. What is he gonna do there? I do like the draft guys they got, but they're Young on defense. That's kind of been their thing. They just haven't been able to get after the quarterback and they went out, got two edge rushers from Georgia and Tennessee in their first round pick. [00:57:24] Speaker A: So that's. [00:57:24] Speaker C: They're. They're big on that. I like pinnocks. I like their weapons they have, but their old lines really banged up. That's really concerned going into the season. The running game is nice, like we said, the wide receivers are there pretty good. But Tampa, they're the consistent team there, so they're one for me. I'll go Atlanta too, but Carolina, Yeah, Carolina is kind of that bit wild card where they may be a 5, 6 win team or they could be that 7, 8, sneaky 9. I still think they're, I still think there are ways away. So, I mean, I've got Tampa over nine and a half Rome, I've got Atlanta. There's a reason they're at seven and a half wins. I'm going to go under with them. Wow. I'm gonna go under with Carolina at six and a half wins. And you already know I'm on the under with New Orleans. So this, to me, to me, to me, this is the vision that Tampa could run away and win by three games. [00:58:24] Speaker A: Well, now I know why you say that. No, I know. I don't think it's that big of a gap. [00:58:32] Speaker C: We'll see. [00:58:33] Speaker A: I'm a little. [00:58:34] Speaker C: We do have, we do have Tampa at Atlanta. Week one. [00:58:39] Speaker A: Divisional games are weird to me. [00:58:40] Speaker C: Yeah, week ones are weird, but it's a home game. Atlanta's got to win it. [00:58:44] Speaker A: I'm worried about you and your survivor dude. You're notorious for making bad calls. Week one or week two, then you're good the rest of the way. [00:58:50] Speaker C: I've already got a week one locked in. I'll release that next week, I think. [00:58:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I think where it's tough to say for me, I, not that I totally want to disagree with Aaron on this, but like when you look at the schedule like Atlanta has, you are playing NFC west, pretty good division, AFC east, some winnable games there with, you know, Miami, maybe New England, the Jets in there. I think the running away aspect, like puts in like Buccaneers going 6, 0 in the division. Hey, do the, you know, do the Falcons go four and two, something like that, like, or whatever it might be. So I don't know. There's, there's. I think there's a lot more winnable games. We look at like the schedule of these guys because this is not this Is not like we were talking about with some of the others where some of the best of the best are playing each other. [00:59:42] Speaker C: I mean, we look at Atlanta, they got Tampa Week 1 at home, but then they got at Minnesota, at Carolina, Washington, Buffalo, San Francisco. I could see them easily 2 and 4 right off the bat. [00:59:55] Speaker A: But then they got Miami, New England and then International, but that's at New. [00:59:59] Speaker C: England international game, which could go either way. So that's, that's where they get. To me, they get some wins, but then Tampa, Rams, Seattle, jets kind of in the, in the season there. So I mean it could go either way. I'd say they're probably a seven win team. That's why I got Tampa at like 10. But we'll see. Week one's a big game. If Atlanta loses that, they're in big trouble. [01:00:22] Speaker A: Okay, Jason, you got Falcons over? Under. Oh, I wasn't really sure. [01:00:28] Speaker B: I can't remember. [01:00:29] Speaker C: Seven and a half their total. [01:00:31] Speaker B: I'm gonna put them in. I'm over. I think it's an 8, 8 win team. [01:00:34] Speaker A: 8, 110 and then Tampa. [01:00:38] Speaker B: I'm gonna agree with Aaron on this one. Yeah. [01:00:43] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. I don't. [01:00:47] Speaker C: You got, you got over or under six and a half on Carolina. [01:00:49] Speaker B: Jason, I said over. I think they can win. Sit over. [01:00:53] Speaker C: Okay. Okay. [01:00:54] Speaker A: I think I talked him into my. [01:00:55] Speaker B: Bad, which I mean, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be honest. Where Aaron's gonna beat me on this one. I said the over on like a lot of these games right now. I pro. I know it's losing. Everyone's winning. [01:01:07] Speaker A: Somebody has to lose. That's like. Yeah, you're right. We have like a lot of overs on this one. I'm agree with you guys. I don't know what the Saints are going to do. It's just hard for me to imagine any team losing, you know, that much. [01:01:21] Speaker C: I got could the Saints. If I haven't seen the odds, could the saints really go 017? [01:01:27] Speaker A: I don't think so. Schedule they got. [01:01:30] Speaker C: I mean they got. I still got Kimura. They still got some good. You know, I'm looking. They got Olave. Brandon Cooks is there. They still have some talent on offense, but no real quarterback. Their O line is okay. It's average. [01:01:46] Speaker A: Like most of their schedule has made the playoffs. [01:01:51] Speaker B: I mean, you say that, but they, I mean they're playing a lot of average, below average teams that are like them. [01:01:57] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, well, look, they got Arizona. They get the, they get the Giants. They get the Giants at home. They Get Carolina, of course, at home. The jets at home. [01:02:11] Speaker B: Yep. [01:02:12] Speaker C: I mean, those are the more likely winnable games. I mean, it is, it is still tough. No matter how bad New Orleans has been, it is still tough to go in there and win in the Superdome. [01:02:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:02:24] Speaker C: And they don't have a quarterback, so technically they got three quarterbacks. Right. You just don't know who you got to prepare for week to week. [01:02:30] Speaker A: That's the fact that everyone's down on Rattler. I, I, you know, he's looking, he's. [01:02:34] Speaker C: Looked good in preseason. [01:02:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:35] Speaker C: And I, I liked Rattler in college. He kind of got hyped up so much and then Caleb took his job at Oklahoma and then everybody kind of fell down on him. But I think Rattler's a quarterback. He's, he's just undersized. He doesn't have height and stuff and his average arm. But I think he could be effective for like a four or six week stretch where maybe he can win two games. [01:02:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I got him at least. Yeah. [01:02:59] Speaker C: But five and a half is a tall task for this team. So I, I still am confident in that. [01:03:03] Speaker A: Under maybe three to four wins. Panthers, I got them over. I actually like them to build on what they did last year. Last year is they've had talent the last few years. It's just, I hope, because I like. [01:03:14] Speaker C: I like Dave Canelis, I like him a lot. So I hope, I hope Carolina actually and Bryce Young continue to develop and. [01:03:19] Speaker A: Get better on the low end. I got them winning seven wins, so automatically over. But eight to nine. I think that there's a potential, I don't see it more than nine. Nine is on the high side for them and that and, and, and, and. [01:03:32] Speaker C: Who knows, nine might make him a playoff team. [01:03:35] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that, you know, that's funny that you mentioned that because I got that circled as a potential long shot. [01:03:41] Speaker C: I, I, well, if you already got them up above 7, Rome, I figured you got him up there plus 240. [01:03:47] Speaker A: To make the playoffs. [01:03:48] Speaker C: That seems really, let me see what they are on here. [01:03:52] Speaker A: And if you got them competing with the Falcons, if you got the Falcons under, then it's really enticing. [01:03:58] Speaker C: So they're, they're plus 400 to win the division. Carolina. [01:04:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I got, yeah, some just slightly lower on that one. Why is everyone down on the Falcons? I mean, what am I missing here? [01:04:11] Speaker B: I think from a panic standpoint, like where they're at. [01:04:15] Speaker A: Wasn't he really good? [01:04:17] Speaker C: Well, still, he only played what, two games? Three games? [01:04:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:20] Speaker C: And he was 1 and 2 or was he owing 3? [01:04:24] Speaker A: But he was good in all those. [01:04:25] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean he was. I mean he was better than what Kirk Cousins like we talked about show the last four games that he played. [01:04:32] Speaker B: Yeah, they, they another team has weapons. You think Drake, London, a lot of people think this is a year for him to make a step. I'll be in the Kyle Pitts fan club forever. Is he's gonna make the step this year. [01:04:43] Speaker A: You like those names I send you, dude? [01:04:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I love them. Love them. You know, so only got, you know, the, the fantasy dress haven't kicked in yet. I only got a pit still in the keeper league so. But you know, running back, got a great running back. Really good, really good backup in, in Tyler Algier and so there's stuff with, with them to work with. They did lose their starting center in free agency to the Bears. Defensively, you know, I don't know, I don't want to say, you know, I think it's probably middle of the road defense. Aaron, would you say? [01:05:18] Speaker C: I'd agree with that. [01:05:19] Speaker B: Okay. So I, I just think last year you probably expected them to take a step considering the talent they had offensively. I think there were some questions around the way they're using, you know, Bijan. I think probably there's going to be a. If you're doing it right with a second year quarterback that barely played, you're probably putting the ball in the running back sands a little more. We'll see where they are, you know, if they're playing from behind or not. [01:05:42] Speaker A: Who's the coach for Tampa? [01:05:44] Speaker C: Todd Bowles. [01:05:46] Speaker A: Todd Bowles, that's right. [01:05:49] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean I think with Atlanta we've just, it's one of those teams like the, you know, Detroit. Right, Detroit. We expected them to step up. They did. Like Atlanta hasn't taken that step. So now, you know, everybody like, hey, you haven't, you haven't stepped up. So we're going to move you down. And the next team to step up in that division is Carolina. So Carolina's kind of getting a little more of the juice. Atlanta's kind of falling behind and yeah, Pinnock's played what, three games? Like I said, I think he was one and two maybe. Oh, and three. Jason mentioned they lost their starting center. I think they have two other offensive linemen that are banged up here in camp. Their D line is not good. They're not great against the run. Their secondary is average at best. They don't have any linebackers of record that I Can know. And then they went out. It got some speed on the edge to rush a passer, but. [01:06:42] Speaker A: All right. [01:06:43] Speaker C: Yeah, that's. You know, I think we're good. That's where I'm at on Atlanta. I'm not high, but I mean, at seven. Seven and a half seems like a low total for wins for them. [01:06:50] Speaker A: It does. [01:06:51] Speaker C: So 8 might be the number, but I'm gonna go under. [01:06:57] Speaker A: I'm leaning slight over. I think Jason said eight as well. I think that's like. [01:07:02] Speaker C: I'm honestly shocked. It's not eight and a half. When I saw seven and a half, it was a shock number to me. [01:07:07] Speaker A: Something's up, dude. That's kind of curious. Yeah, something's up. All right, cool. Last division, guys. We're almost there. Today's episode brought to you by night. [01:07:18] Speaker C: It's a three hour pod, man. This. This episode's brought to you by Bluechew. Because I'm gonna need one after this one thing's done. [01:07:31] Speaker A: I'll blit you a lot. Dude, you talk about Bluetooth a lot. We're not a package. [01:07:35] Speaker C: I'd be happy to be a sponsor. [01:07:36] Speaker B: He just wants the free samples paid in free samples. [01:07:39] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure he's already sampled it. [01:07:41] Speaker C: First of all. First of all, I want. I want the samples, and I want the girls to come in the sample too. And done. I'll preach to the choir. [01:07:50] Speaker A: All right, last division, guys. I see Jason yawning. I think we're actually be putting this up on video too, so. [01:07:57] Speaker B: Oh, man. [01:07:57] Speaker A: We'll see how AI does on editing. [01:08:01] Speaker C: Hey, Rome, when are we going? You, dude, YouTube. Is that gonna be a. Is that free season two or, you know, after Labor Day? When is we. When is this going on YouTube stuff? I think there was a lot. There was a lot of requests for us to go on YouTube. [01:08:13] Speaker A: Whenever you guys are ready. I. I do got to send you guys the light stuff. You know, I want it to look visually nice, but it. You know, let's just do it. [01:08:22] Speaker C: I mean, all three of our subscribers on YouTube are dying to see us, I'm sure. Russia as well. [01:08:29] Speaker A: I bet you we would probably do pretty well on YouTube. [01:08:31] Speaker B: Actually put me to sleep talking for the NFC south as long as we were right now, dude. [01:08:36] Speaker A: Honestly, like, Eric kept on going. I'm like, dude, what. What are we. What team are we talking about? Totally lost it. [01:08:44] Speaker C: All right, Final division, NFC division, guys. [01:08:48] Speaker B: Turn four. [01:08:51] Speaker C: Tough division. [01:08:53] Speaker A: We got the Niners and The Rams at 10 and a half, both at minus 130, the Cardinals. Arizona Cardinals with Kyler Murray. [01:09:04] Speaker C: I'm just glad you got that name right. Let's go. [01:09:07] Speaker B: Wow. New year, new Rome. [01:09:09] Speaker C: Yeah. Let's go. [01:09:10] Speaker A: I like. Well, I paused. I'm like, wait, is that right? It is right. I said it wrong all year long. Eight and a half. Minus 110. And the Seahawks also at eight and a half. This division is really funky from the Vegas books. Minus 135. I'm gonna tell you right now, I like the Niners taking it all. Not all. I just like them bouncing back. [01:09:32] Speaker C: So you were talking too much to the sports betting queen, man, she got in your head with that 49er talk, did she? I think so. [01:09:40] Speaker A: Was I talking to her upstairs? [01:09:42] Speaker C: Yeah. You don't remember? I don't know. Great. [01:09:48] Speaker B: It was a long weekend for us. [01:09:50] Speaker A: It was all right. Yeah. It gives me guys, by the way, if you're up on the Niners, like, I am having a bounce back here, actually. The odds are not that good for. For the conference, though. Plus 800 if you like them to go to the Super Bowl. I kind of like that. I kind of like that. I'm not gonna lie. All right, Jason, give it to us. [01:10:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm agree with you, Roman. The Niners, I mean, this is the team. This is probably the team that has the biggest win increase year over year. Last year, with injuries and everything else that happened with the Niners, it was. It was difficult and we were just waiting for that team to kind of turn the corner and take the division and they just, just never did. And so, yeah, you're looking at. What is this? A. Trying to think the win what they did from last year from a wins increase standpoint. [01:10:43] Speaker C: But they won, what, six games last year? Six and 11. [01:10:47] Speaker B: So now you're talking about they're going to be like, you know, an 11 win team potentially in this division. [01:10:53] Speaker A: Got him at 12. [01:10:54] Speaker B: Yeah, it could be 12. I guess I. I guess I could take what I just said up at the NFC south because it was so boring there. Right where I told Aaron it was the. Where I saw it, Aaron. The most unpredictable. This could be the most unpredictable division, too, because I think you can shake up all four teams. I think there's some other. Some. All really good teams within the division. I think you got some good coaches, obviously, with McVay and Shanahan being the class of that operation. But I like the. I like the Niners to win it. I like the Rams probably finish closely behind them in second. Everything about Arizona screams to me 500 teams. I don't know what's their over under? Is it seven and a half? Eight and a half. [01:11:33] Speaker A: Eight and a half. [01:11:34] Speaker B: Eight and a half. And to me that's where it's exactly there at eight and a half. Like I can see that. I would stay away as far as I could on that. I think they're eight or nine wins. Don't even know where to tell you. I'll say under right now for the, for the Cardinals and just maybe they're an eight win team. And the Seahawks, man, you guys were all over the Seahawks last year. I think that was the biggest one you called where they were at. I bought in. I bought in. [01:11:55] Speaker A: To be fair. [01:11:56] Speaker C: They won 10 games. They missed. I think they missed a playoffs due to a tiebreaker. Something right? [01:12:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. But I mean but they were there but now they now. But they're making changes in the off season. You know you got Darnold, it was an end ERA with DK and Gino's gone. Yeah. With Gino being gone as well. So I think there's some change. [01:12:18] Speaker C: They brought in Kubiak as the OC over there too. [01:12:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:21] Speaker A: Gary. [01:12:23] Speaker B: So I, I think that, I think, I think Seattle takes a step back. What do they got? 7 and a half. [01:12:29] Speaker C: 8 and a half as well. [01:12:30] Speaker B: I'll take the under on them and I, I think that's probably a seven win team probably if you're looking at looking at Seattle. So. But I'm not going to be surprised if we run this back and we're two months in the season and Seattle's in first place and the Niners got you know, around 500 and stuff too. I think anything could be a surprise in this division where things are at. I think there's question marks kind of like in all the teams like the Rams. I got the Rams fishing. Second is Matt Stafford playing like what's they're talking about, you know, trading this guy and everything like that. [01:12:59] Speaker A: I am so afraid of Stafford. [01:13:02] Speaker B: I mean he could be, he could be anything. It could be like, hey, he comes back. [01:13:07] Speaker C: Yeah, not so much trade. I think he was looking for a new contract and he just gave him that pay bump or whatever, you know which the new trend. Right. Get a little pay bump. Just look at just a little bump. [01:13:19] Speaker B: I won't make a ton of stuff. But you know they got, they got Jimmy G sitting in, in the backup. You know they let Cooper cup go so now they got. [01:13:27] Speaker C: He's in Seattle. Cooper Cubs in Seattle. [01:13:29] Speaker B: Now in Seattle. I Don't know. Is that. Is this where you see the drop off of Cooper cup when you like I'm trying to think of which Patriots receiver left and just fell off the face of the earth. Welker. [01:13:42] Speaker C: Wes Welker. Yeah. You had. What's the other one too? Amadella or Amadola, whatever his name was. [01:13:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:51] Speaker A: Dude, Tom Brady made every white receiver look so fast. So good. [01:13:55] Speaker C: Well, they were fast. They just. They didn't have a quarterback to throwing the ball before. [01:14:01] Speaker B: But going back to it. Rome like I said, I think. I think this could finish in multiple different ways. I wouldn't be surprised at the division I'm most wrong about, but I'll go a little probably with the chocolate chalk with the odds of like Niners make the comeback. Most improved wins team of the year. Rams sitting there slightly right behind them. Everything about a 500 team is Arizona. Seattle takes their step back. [01:14:23] Speaker A: Do you got the Rams over under ten and a half. It sounds like it's under. [01:14:26] Speaker B: I would go under. Like I could see them. [01:14:29] Speaker C: I've got a list. I got it. I got it listed at nine and a half where I'm at Rome. So. [01:14:35] Speaker B: If you said ten and a half, I'm taking the under nine and a half. I mean it feels like if you Rams feel like a 10 win team. [01:14:41] Speaker A: Aaron. [01:14:43] Speaker C: So yeah, I got Seattle Last Under 8 and a half wins. [01:14:47] Speaker A: Wow. [01:14:48] Speaker C: Not a big Sam Darnold guy. Obviously they got rid of dk bringing in a Cooper Cup. You know, he's. He's missing six, seven games a year for the last two, three years. O line shaky. I do like your defense. I do like their coach. I do like, you know, bringing in the QBAC to be the oc. But I'm going to go under Arizona. I got them third kind of. I feel the same like I'm going under eight and a half. Feel like an eight win, seven win team. Potential can win nine. Arizona is like that team that we've kind of like, hey, they're there, but they're not quite. Can Kyler Murray get them over the top? Can that defense be better? And then it gets interesting, right? Where's Stafford? Where's he that. I mean the Rams defensively are going to be really, really good. This, this team. Say what you want. They were the second best team in the NFC last year. Really gave the Eagles a run for their money in the snow. That game could have gone either way. They got stopped late on fourth down. If Stafford's right, the Rams win the division. They're that's just how I feel about it. They got Adams coming in with all the weapons they got. Oh, lines better. So I. I'm gonna say the Rams won the division. I'm not real confident on that. I like them over nine and a half wins. And then you got the Niners. I honestly, I like the niners at over 10 and a half wins too. I think this is like a 1A 1B kind of. They could switch looking at the schedule. Did they play? [01:16:19] Speaker A: So you got the Rams over? [01:16:21] Speaker C: Yeah, I got over nine and a half. Ten and a half. I. I think the Rams and niners both win 11 games. One might win 10, but again, it just comes back to how healthy is Stafford? Because I don't. I. You already know Rome. I don't trust Jimmy G. And for. And for the 49ers too. I mean, look at Iuks out. They're going basically to. You know, Jennings has been unhappy of his contract. Outside of Trent Williams, the 49ers O line is average. And you know, the running backs, they just traded for Robinson. I like that because we know Christian McCaffrey gets hurt a lot. I like George Kittle, but, you know, he's. He's. He's getting up there in age two. I think he's still got another, you know, one, two good years left in them. But wide receiver is a question mark. They don't have a lot of speed. Ricky Purasol, we'll see what he does. I like him. It seems like the connection him and Brock have had in preseason has been good. Pretty good defensively. Robert Sala, Love that higher bringing him back, but, yeah, we'll see what happens. They got some pieces on that defense that I'm not really excited about. [01:17:22] Speaker A: This guy just keeps on yachting. [01:17:24] Speaker B: Keep yawning. Can't stop, Rome. Can't stop. [01:17:30] Speaker A: You know, Jason, I'm really glad you mentioned this is like the only division in all of football where I can see all four winning the division. [01:17:40] Speaker C: I don't see Seattle, but I could see Arizona getting hot and winning 10 games. [01:17:46] Speaker A: I like the pieces at Seattle. I like their coach. I mean, with Arizona, rather. All right, so you got Niners one, Rams two. [01:17:55] Speaker C: I got. I'll go Rams one, Niners two. [01:17:59] Speaker A: That's right. My bad. The Niners under, then you got the Niners under overall take. [01:18:08] Speaker C: They'll get 11 wins. [01:18:09] Speaker A: Okay, got it. All right, cool. [01:18:12] Speaker C: Because it's ten and a half. They. They'll get 11 wins. I got them at 11 wins. [01:18:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I. I could definitely See every team when winning this one. But I do expect the bounce back for the winners just so they can blow in the playoffs. I got the Seahawks number two actually. I do like the changes. [01:18:30] Speaker C: That's a shock right there. [01:18:31] Speaker A: I don't see that much of a drop off. I like them to be a 9, 10, 1 team. So I'm going to go over on the 7 and a half or 8 and a half rather their odds to make the playoffs. By the way, like if you like any of Those guys, like +180 kind of like it's not that much. [01:18:56] Speaker C: Let's see. To make the playoffs, Seattle is. [01:19:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:19:00] Speaker C: Plus. Plus 16. [01:19:01] Speaker A: Yeah. And then here's where it kind of gets tricky because I think I feel like the Cards are due. They've been like hit or miss. Switchy, Kyler, Murray got Harrison Jr. I think they put the pieces together this year. I liked him to get third in the division. [01:19:22] Speaker C: So the Rams last. [01:19:24] Speaker A: The Rams are last. [01:19:25] Speaker C: So you're, you're, you're counting on Stafford basically not being able to go. Is that, is that your reasoning behind it? I mean it's, it's fair. I mean if he really can't, that's, that's a real possibility. [01:19:35] Speaker A: It's just scary. Out of all the good teams that are bad, Rams are it. They're like the best, worst teams. [01:19:41] Speaker C: Let's, let's say, let's say Stafford does go down. Who's a backup quarterback? I mean let's say Jimmy G, because Jimmy G always gets hurt too. Who's another quarterback they may try to trade for if there is one out there on a team? Because I don't think, I don't think the Rams are just going to sit back and just, you know. [01:20:01] Speaker A: Well, they almost. Tommy DeVito Cutlets is available. They almost did give up their season until they started winning. And this was last year like, like in week seven. [01:20:12] Speaker C: Well, remember their whole offensive line was out like week one through four. [01:20:15] Speaker A: We already. [01:20:16] Speaker C: That's why we were low on the Rams and Cooper cup was hurt and. [01:20:20] Speaker B: They'Re trying to trade cup too. [01:20:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:20:23] Speaker A: Well, you're up my right now, dude. Yeah, those are good valid points. Actually I might have to re. Rethink this one now. [01:20:31] Speaker C: I mean the Rams. I mean. Yeah. [01:20:34] Speaker B: I mean go with it. Rome. It's the hottest steak we've had for. [01:20:37] Speaker C: They've released Rome. You've been trying to stir the pot. That, that stirs the pot. Rams finishing last. I mean call. Colin would slap you across the head if you heard. You Talk like that. [01:20:46] Speaker A: But yeah, he hasn't won in the Super Bowl. [01:20:47] Speaker C: I just don't see that that's a tall task. [01:20:50] Speaker A: I think if you like the Rams wins. The rule, though, plus 1800. [01:20:55] Speaker C: You know what? [01:20:56] Speaker A: I might put something down for the Niners. Plus 1600. [01:21:00] Speaker C: Well, let's give our playoff teams. Let's go, Rome. [01:21:02] Speaker A: All right. How do we do this first? Oh, yeah. So let's do top four seeds and then we'll do wild card after that. The number one seed. Aaron. [01:21:16] Speaker C: I'll go with the Eagles one. I'll say Tampa two. Let's go Rams three. Now scratch that. Packers three, Rams four. [01:21:27] Speaker A: I was about to say, dude, like you're over on the. On the pack. [01:21:30] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll say that. And then I'll go five seed. Give me the commanders. Washington, no. 5. Yeah, give me Washington 5, 6 49ers 7. Detroit. [01:21:45] Speaker A: I know we didn't do 5, 6, 7 on the other one one. So I'm just doing wild card. [01:21:48] Speaker C: Yeah, we did. I thought we did, didn't we? We gave the. We gave the wild card teams, I think in the 5, 6, 7. [01:21:53] Speaker A: But yeah, we definitely did not say four fights. [01:21:56] Speaker C: I don't think we did. But we did give three wild card teams. I think whatever order we gave, we perceived that as 5, 6, 7. At least that's how I did. [01:22:02] Speaker A: Okay, good to know, Jason. [01:22:08] Speaker B: Philadelphia, number one overall seed, favorites to go back to the Super Bowl. 2. I think Detroit, since I have them division that are three. I'm gonna go Tampa. Kind of agreeing with Aaron that I think they have a good enough record to run away with it. Given the parody of the NFC west and where we're thinking that, it's going to be very close, but I'll put the Niners in the four seat. I think Green Bay kind of getting edged out of the NFC north is the five commanders are six. Then edging out the Rams in Minnesota, Arizona, Seattle. [01:22:54] Speaker C: Go ahead, say it. Say it. [01:22:56] Speaker B: The Chicago Bears. [01:22:58] Speaker C: There it is. [01:22:58] Speaker A: That's where I'm like, where are the Bears at? [01:23:01] Speaker C: They're coming. [01:23:02] Speaker A: I was able to fit this whole division on one sheet. I finally figured out a way to get to write it versus the three. [01:23:08] Speaker B: Is that. Is that the. The mini legal pad from Aaron's thing? [01:23:12] Speaker C: Look how that thing works. Perfect, man. Telling you, man, it's got 30 games to watch. Coming up on Thursday's pod. [01:23:20] Speaker B: Can't wait. [01:23:21] Speaker A: Let's see. Yeah, I'll agree with you guys. I got the Eagles now that I'm looking At all the overrunners as the number one seed. I will put the 49ers as this two seed. I have the Lions as the three seed. And then Tampa, I guess as a fourth. A slight variation, but I think we pretty much. [01:23:45] Speaker C: Who's your wild card teams? [01:23:48] Speaker A: Wild card. This is where it gets tough, man. Because I think the commanders have to be in there, right? [01:23:56] Speaker B: I assume it's your list. [01:23:58] Speaker C: I mean, you could have, you could have Arizona, you could have Carolina. I guess you have Seattle in there. Maybe your wild cards. Interesting. [01:24:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I will go with Washington as a fifth seed. This is tough, man, because I did have the packers and the Bears kind of switch swap, swipe swapping, Swiss swapping. Is that. Is that, is that a word? [01:24:24] Speaker C: I don't know. You got. You got me confused on that one. [01:24:28] Speaker A: You know what? I have a feeling the NFC west is just going to beat each other up. Maybe everyone ends up with nine wins just like last year. I'm going to go with the Bears taking the six seed, edging out the packers for the final wild card spot. [01:24:45] Speaker B: So the packers are at seven. [01:24:47] Speaker A: Yep. [01:24:48] Speaker B: All right. [01:24:51] Speaker A: Long shots. I will mention Panthers to possibly make some noise. They can kick either team off. And then I also put. Can't believe I put the Seahawks number two. You're making me second guess everything but bucket, bucket. That's how it rolls. We gotta take chances, roll the dice. Yeah, the long shots guys in the. [01:25:20] Speaker C: Nfc, for me it would be. I guess it'd be the Cardinals. They feel like a team that can win seven games or ten games. That's why they're at eight and a half. Right. So, yeah, that for me would be the, the long shot or the team that's that number eight on the fringe to get in. [01:25:38] Speaker A: I did put them on the over, so yeah, I like it. [01:25:42] Speaker B: Yep. I'd agree since I'm. The Bears are probably the flyer I'm putting over there of them getting into the playoffs by the end. The Cardinals, out of everything we said, you know, they're a.500 team that could potentially be better and make some noise. But again, I think the, the regression to where they're at in the. At an 8 and 8 team is going to hold back. But I, I agree with you guys. They could be. They could be the team that upsets that and maybe win the West. [01:26:08] Speaker A: Maybe. Yeah. Well, hell, dude, that does it for the NFC East, north, south and West. For those that have made it this long, you can catch the AFC on the previous pod on the previous episode and we'll have clips on YouTube X and Instagram. All right, cool. That'll do it. This source from the Sofa. Thank you for joining us. For season two, we are out.