Winning Picks for Conference Championships in CFB, Week 14 in the NFL, And Our First Guest Armond!

[00:00:05] Speaker A: Bada boom, bada bam. Sources from the sofa. We're back Thursday night. We're doing lines. NFL college football. We got some conference championships games this weekend and we were gifted with a another fun Thursday night game today with the Detroit Lions coming out on top of recording Thursday night, obviously. And I was texting the guys before we came on, I was like, hey, man, do you think Eberfluce is like watching this game, studying the tape of how, you know, Campbell calls a timeout? One hand perpendicular, parallel to the floor, rather the other one perpendicular underneath. Bam. Doing a T motion. He's like, oh, shit. That's how you do it. [00:00:50] Speaker B: Also key is you got to be next to the referee. You can't be next to, you know, and try to run in or acting like you're running down there to get a timeout in. [00:00:58] Speaker A: So funny how many coaches know how to call a timeout, but one didn't. [00:01:03] Speaker C: But it was good timing from Dan Campbell right at that one second mark. He was ready with that, with that perfect form. [00:01:09] Speaker A: A little close. It used to be like standard where they call it like at 3 seconds left, but coaches have been around with that lately, like going down at two seconds, walk a second. Like that's scary for me. [00:01:22] Speaker C: Well, I think some of them with the right next to the ref like that, they basically give him the heads up at one second. It's a timeout. So like, yeah, they've already given him the heads up. Go back to Rome's intro though. Aaron, is he hanging out with Tommy DeVito or something this weekend? With what? Bada Boom by the band to start the pod. Like you out here with a giant starting quarterback or what? [00:01:45] Speaker B: Well, he's not the starting qb. He can't even get healthy enough to get on the field. So, I mean, it's possible they might be hanging out both on the sidelines this weekend. [00:01:53] Speaker A: I don't know what I was watching. I was watching like some. Some my favorite Christmas movie. [00:01:57] Speaker B: Watching a lot of top Christmas movies, right? [00:02:00] Speaker A: Yeah, Goodfellows. Watching that last night. One of my favorite Christmas movies. Really wholesome. Everyone laughs. It's the best Christmas movie Christmas movie out there. Die Hard. [00:02:10] Speaker C: It's a great Christmas movie out there. [00:02:11] Speaker A: That's not Christmas movie. [00:02:13] Speaker C: Christmas movie. [00:02:14] Speaker A: I forgot you guys. It's okay. I don't know. We gotta do like a man pod. Like man movies. Die Hard is definitely on that. Die Hard. The Rambos. Those are like definitely man movies. Rocky. Oh, no, the Nick. [00:02:31] Speaker C: The Nicholas Cage trifecta in the 90s where he goes on. Oh, he goes on. The hall of Fame run where it goes. The Rock Con Air and Face Off. [00:02:42] Speaker A: Conor Face off especially, can't get much. [00:02:45] Speaker C: Better of a three movies in a row. The rocks. [00:02:48] Speaker B: The rocks. The Rocks are an underrated movie. That's minus one of his three. [00:02:51] Speaker C: That is there, man. That's. That's in your backyard in San Francisco, man. [00:02:56] Speaker A: You know what I haven't seen in a while? I. I gotta watch it, man. What is it on? [00:03:01] Speaker C: I know I got it on vhs, DVD and Blu Ray, if you want to borrow. I love that movie. [00:03:07] Speaker A: Oh, man, you're talking. [00:03:08] Speaker C: You're talking Sean Connery where he's low key. James Bond, basically in the movie. A British. A British. Yeah, you got Ed Harris. [00:03:18] Speaker B: Ed Harris, man. [00:03:20] Speaker A: Okay. I'm vaguely remembering it, but you know, Sean Connor was like, that was like the biggest like actions actor like in the 70s. That was like what James Bond and Sean Connery movies had. Austin Powers or what's his Facebook character on. Pretty crazy. [00:03:38] Speaker C: Yeah, well, I mean, James Bond, man, the original, the best going. Going back to Dr. No, Goldfinger. [00:03:44] Speaker B: Goldfingers is classic, man. [00:03:45] Speaker C: Goldfinger. [00:03:47] Speaker A: Yeah. I've actually played a few James Bond movies for my daughter. I've been very careful which ones I play and apparently every other parent out there. So you can't be showing your daughter James Bond. I'm like, she thinks he's cool. You know, he's kicking people's asses. I'm not showing her like Octopussy or anything like that. We're like, there's like crazy sex scenes, but like, like the newer ones are more action packed. And then she kind of goes off with the Barbies. [00:04:12] Speaker B: So you just Fast forward the 5 minute love scenes or when he's making the moves. Yeah. [00:04:18] Speaker A: You know, she's always saying like, daddy, you can't be saying what's up to all the ladies all the time, you know? So sure he knows what's up anyways. God, what a five minute sidetrack that was. Back to football. I'm glad we talked about it on Monday night. I believe Jason did call Lions winning, as I did. As did I. Jason had the three and a half points. Aaron claims he had the same thing, but we have to go back to the tape to review that. Not really positive on that one, but it was a hell of a game. [00:04:51] Speaker B: Dude, I'll go find the audio if you want me to, man. Yeah, dude, I'll put 100 bucks on it right now. That's how confident I am. [00:05:00] Speaker C: I know the result on receipts. Yeah, we had the, we had the over too. [00:05:04] Speaker A: No, I, I just remember you being like. So like whenever you're like gung ho on the team, you know, you're like, ah, love dick on the table. You know, like you go all, all in on a team and I, I remember you having those vibes. [00:05:17] Speaker B: In his defense. [00:05:18] Speaker C: No, in his defense, he dropped the packers from number two in the NFC to number three before that. Remember he said the. Yes, so that's true. He wasn't feeling the packers as much. He was in weeks past going into this game. [00:05:28] Speaker A: So me and Aaron had like a pretty big conversation about like, you know, top quarterbacks. We have a big disagreement like top 10 for sure. Because he had love pretty up there. And this is all based on like eight games. Like it's like, it's like Bill Simmons putting Mac Jones or now it's Drake May, you know, top 10 ever, you know, after only like six games of play. So was that the biggest, Was that. [00:05:50] Speaker C: The biggest argument I love or Aaron did Rome have like Mahomes, like not in the top 10 or something? [00:05:55] Speaker A: He's my top 10. [00:05:57] Speaker C: I'm not gonna hate number one Chiefs hater. [00:06:01] Speaker A: I am a Chiefs hater. I, I despise their jerseys, their logo, that stupid Kermit the Frog impersonation. Playing quarterback. It's disgusting. They should ban it, you know. I'm thinking about getting a Chiefs jersey though, just to hang it up on my wall. A nice NFL ref jersey since they're on the Chiefs as well. Anyways, what'd you guys think of the game? Man? It was pretty action packed. Green Bay came back roaring in the second half. 14 points, then 10 points in the final frame. And there was just enough time for Jared Goff to kind of light it up. Almost 300 yards, three touchdowns, one crazy interception. Was that like in the third quarter or was that before the half? I can't really remember anymore. [00:06:50] Speaker B: Third quarter, early third quarter. [00:06:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Nice run at the end of the game to get the first down. I thought they're going to kick the field goal. Pretty ballsy play from Detroit just because they were kind of getting stopped on a lot of short run situations all day. The packers came to play, but this was like a. We always talk about like good losses, at least for like the last few weeks. This is a, to me, this is a pretty good loss for the Green Bay Packers. [00:07:16] Speaker C: I don't know about a good loss. It was a great showing. But now you're three games behind the Lions for the division and Right out, you know, a two and a half or whatever back of the, of the Vikings. So, you know, they're going to slot themselves into the bottom of the NFC playoff picture at this point. So I. Packers probably really wanted to get a win. Good showing the team especially how much the packers defense was hurt going into this game, particularly the secondary. You know, they had their safety, Williams out with the concussion in the early part of the game, I think in the first half, and they already had J.R. alexander and a few others in the secondary out. So, you know, going into this, the over under was pretty high. You know, that's why we talked about hitting it. And it was the shootout, it was. But oh yeah, the packers kept it close. You mentioned the end of the game, you know, kicking that field goal, but that going forward in fourth down with Golf getting stepped on, you know, by his offensive line, they could have went bad real quick and then we would have been having some talk about Dan Campbell. I'm like, what are you doing going for this on, you know, fourth down and not kicking the field goal. So, I mean, but you know, the risky move pays off and the Lions, you know, maintain number one in the nfc. And they're, they're looking good to really separate themselves with the Eagles in this showdown. But I mean, the Lions, I think Aaron, we talked about this, he's. They got a pretty, you know, they don't get an easy schedule down the stretch to maintain this number one seed in the nfc. So this was a pretty big win that they probably needed to have if they want to have that first round by. [00:08:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. I think they needed this win for sure if they wanted to have a shot at that by keeping the number one seed. I mean, Philly's coming on strong. They got an easier schedule. Lions got Buffalo coming in next week. [00:08:56] Speaker A: Is that next week or is that. [00:08:57] Speaker B: The week after next week? And then back to back road games with Chicago and San Francisco and then they end the year with Minnesota of all teams and Minnesota, depending on where they're at, you know, it's going to probably be playing for maybe the division or you know, that fifth seed there in the wild card because you're gonna. Don't want to drop down to probably seven and end up playing the Eagles. Eagles pretty much are penciled in that too. Looks that way. But yeah, Rome, like I said, Detroit came out strong, got the running game going. Green Bay came back in the second half. Love hit Watson for a big throw there. Led to a quick touchdown, quick turnover, got them back in It. They took a lead, went back and forth. Just looked like one of those games. Whoever had the ball last was going to win. And the Lions had it last. And gutsy call. Like Jason said. Fourth and about half a yard. Golf gets stepped on. Still gets the handoff to Montgomery. Yeah, he bullies his head. He bullies ahead for two yards of first down. And then Bates comes in and kicks the game winner. [00:09:58] Speaker A: Yeah, he ended up picking up what, like six or seven yards on that run. That was really nice. [00:10:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, this. This wouldn't be surprising me. We see these two teams again in the playoffs and I. I believe it'll be the same kind of type matchup. I know they played earlier in the year. Green Bay love was kind of coming off the injury. It was a rainy, sloppy game. If they do mean in the playoffs, it's obviously going to be in Detroit, so weather won't be an issue. But yeah, these are a few of the top teams in the nfc, so it was a good meme. Good game for Thursday night. [00:10:25] Speaker A: Yeah. So you got the package. Take a look. Quick look at this thing. Who else they got left on their schedule here? [00:10:33] Speaker B: Packers got at Seattle, Saints at Minnesota, Chicago. [00:10:38] Speaker A: Okay. [00:10:39] Speaker B: Decent into the schedule for them. [00:10:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:41] Speaker B: At Seattle game could be very interesting, just depending on what Seattle and the rest of that division does out there in the NFC west this weekend. [00:10:47] Speaker A: I'm not betting anymore on Seattle, Arizona on the Rams. I don't know which team are going to show up. It's like Dr. Jekyll and. Is it Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde or. How's that go? [00:10:58] Speaker C: Yes. [00:10:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:59] Speaker A: Okay. Cool. I was like, it's one of those. Yeah, man, though. Those teams are a mess. Lots of news about the Niners this week. I think they're gonna bounce back for the end of the year at least making competitive. We'll see. No. Good game. It was. [00:11:17] Speaker D: It was. [00:11:17] Speaker A: It was a really fun game. Real quick, though, since before we get into college football and like the lines later on. What do you guys think about some of the rumors circulating about the Chicago Bears head coaching position? And did you guys hear the news that Belichick allegedly interviewed for the University of North Carolina head coaching position? I did not see that one coming. [00:11:39] Speaker B: He did interview via Zoom. It was a Zoom interview. They've interviewed about six or seven candidates, but he was on the Zoom call for one of those meetings. [00:11:47] Speaker A: That's crazy. I just don't see it. [00:11:52] Speaker C: It's an. It's an interesting thing for. I don't see it either. I Will say the argument for Belichick in college is his type of style is total control type stuff. Work in college and it works in college, where now it's been not as successful in the NFL where it's more of a, you know, I don't want to say it's a players type of thing, but there's more of a connection with the head coach. And you can't have this like ultra disciplinarian that only does things my way. There's a collaboration with the players. So college. It works. It worked obviously the most successfully for Saban. So that'd be the. That'd be the argument for Belichick. The difference is going to be like, hey, recruiting nil. All that type of stuff that's going to go with it in the modern, you know, college game. And I don't, I don't know if Belichick has the infrastructure and you know, the being on the road at high school, at high schools for scouting and stuff. But, I mean, Dion's proven that he doesn't do that. Like he doesn't go to high schools or anything like that. They. They go through the portal and other ways to get it. So. But I, I still think Belichick's gonna wind up on, you know, NFL radars here with some of these openings. You know, my. My thoughts all if all year have been the Jaguars, because I think they're one of the openings where they give Belichick a total control. You know, he could have GM and, and head coach type thing where that franchise will basically take anyone. [00:13:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:20] Speaker A: With Jacksonville, though, like they did that with Coughlin. Right. And I thought they did pretty well for a couple years of him. Him managing and having complete control, but kind of backfired. I can't remember exactly what happened, but you think they're going to be willing to do that again with Belichick? And he's even older, I think, than what Coughlin was when he took over. Was that like a decade ago now? [00:13:38] Speaker B: Coughlin? Well, dude, that was when they first became. Yeah, right back in the 90s. Right. I was. [00:13:44] Speaker C: When they made the AFC stuff back. [00:13:46] Speaker B: In the day before Elway and then went on to win the super bowl against the packers there. And what, 98, 99? [00:13:51] Speaker A: No, this is a post Giants. [00:13:55] Speaker C: He didn't come back. [00:13:56] Speaker B: He was a GM or he was a consultant, whatever he is. Role. [00:13:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so. Okay. [00:14:00] Speaker C: He was executive VP for football operations. Yeah. [00:14:06] Speaker B: That's the last time they were in another AFC championship. Got beat by Brady. [00:14:11] Speaker A: Yeah, they had that one phenomenal year from. What's this? Ace Bortles? [00:14:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:20] Speaker A: Good times, man. [00:14:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:22] Speaker B: I mean, you want to, you want to know who the OC was for that team? [00:14:25] Speaker A: Let's hear it. [00:14:26] Speaker B: Hackett. [00:14:28] Speaker A: Wow, you lie. [00:14:31] Speaker B: Don't lie. [00:14:32] Speaker A: So what happened to Hackett then? Like, what happened? You can't call play for. Yeah, just got nothing. [00:14:45] Speaker B: You asked me what happened. I don't know. [00:14:47] Speaker A: Is that your boy too? Is that one of your guys? [00:14:49] Speaker B: Who, Hackett? No, man, I like Jacksonville back in the day. That was Jalen Ramsey, my boy from Florida State coming up. [00:14:56] Speaker A: That's right, your pick, Florida State. [00:14:57] Speaker C: Guy I like, I like old Jacksonville. Fred Taylor, Keenan McCardell, Jimmy Smith, Mark Brunell. [00:15:03] Speaker B: I do like them too. [00:15:04] Speaker C: That's, that's the. [00:15:05] Speaker A: Brunell was a baller, man. [00:15:06] Speaker B: Coughlin was a coach then, back then too. [00:15:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:09] Speaker A: Wasn't Brunel though on the Redskins after the Jaguars. Yeah, I remember like he's a QB's. [00:15:15] Speaker B: Coach for a team now. Mark Brunell, I seen him, I just remember like, I can't remember what team, but he's a QB's coach for somebody now. [00:15:22] Speaker A: He was like that enigma type of quarterback. Like, oh, like he's really good, but he's like middle of the pack, but one of the strongest arms and he would just kill it on like those Pro bowl. Remember, like all those skills challenges that he used to do back in the day. That was actually pretty fun to watch. [00:15:35] Speaker B: He had like an average arm, but he could run for a lefty. But he was like, everything was like by the book. Like everything was like perfect. He's like like the left hand version of Jared Goff is now, but more mobile. [00:15:46] Speaker C: Well, funny you say that. He's the QB coach for the Lions. [00:15:49] Speaker B: Okay. [00:15:49] Speaker A: Yeah, we came full circle, dude. [00:15:53] Speaker B: I told you I'd seen him. I'm like, that's Mark Brunello. I just don't remember where I've seen him. I seem like a month ago. Okay. [00:16:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I thought Amazon did a really good coverage on the game tonight. They had like the stats of when Lions were 1 and 6 in 2022 and they've been on a roll since then. Like that was really cool to see. That was like some cool stats and gossip and killing it, man. Definitely an MVP candidate there. Any more thoughts on this game or should we take a quick break and then go into low college football? [00:16:27] Speaker C: Well, before you go, you circle back for Belichick. You talked about the Bear stuff this week, so I know. [00:16:31] Speaker A: Oh yeah, that's Right. My bad. [00:16:33] Speaker C: Well, I'm. I mean, I'm getting a lot of feedback that we have way too much Bears talk on the program. But regardless, we're still going to talk about it. So. Yeah, the. The interesting thing this week was I think Mike Florio talked about it in certain areas and there was other rumors going out. [00:16:48] Speaker A: There were pissed off a lot of people this week. Like Florio. [00:16:51] Speaker C: Florio. Well, I don't know. But beyond the open available head coaches like Belichick or Vrabel, and beyond the coordinators, which we talked about throughout, the names were coming up with the Bears actually going out and getting a current existing head coach and trading. And the two names were Kyle Shanahan and. Why am I drawing a blank right now? [00:17:16] Speaker A: Harbaugh Ravens. [00:17:18] Speaker C: No. Oh, yeah. John Harbaugh. But also Sean McVeigh. Like Sean McVeigh in some circles, too. So, like, would. Would any of these teams entertain it with these coaches want to do it? I think Shanahan's the most talked about one. Which interesting. The Bears are going to be in Santa Clara this week playing the 49ers and with. But with the, you know, the Niners roster kind of at the end of its road, maybe their windows kind of close, you have a little bit of an aging roster and aging superstars. Is it, you know, is this the opportunity for Shanahan to make that jump? It's an interesting thought. You know, what the compensation would be? The Niners are a team that have gotten tons of compensation in the draft for their assistant coaches. I don't know what the haul for a head coach would be, but that's. [00:18:03] Speaker A: Really putting it all. [00:18:05] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, that's really putting it all out there on the table for the Bears if they're going to go that route. I mean, I didn't think of that going into this search. I don't know if the Bears would be that aggressive, but it's an interesting thought. I. I'm a fan of Shanahan. I know I have 49er friends and stuff that are not because they haven't done it in the playoffs, but the Niners have been winners since he's been, you know, head of this team. And I think he will do enough creatively with the offense with Caleb Williams and what they have in place, and he just generally got the right defensive coach in place. Hasn't been. Hasn't been the case the last few seasons, but, you know, had had Salah and stuff like that before. So I. It's an interesting thought to me yeah. [00:18:48] Speaker A: When you review Shanahan's tenure with the Niners, you know, it's been really nice, right, because they kind of pushed hardball out of town. He goes to Michigan, and it's been like. It's been like, you know, really disappointing football since then. And they kind of shore that up with. With Shanahan again. They've missed the playoffs, I think, like, almost every other year during his tenure. This has been kind of difficult. But when they do make the playoffs, they have deep runs or like, just kind of missing the boat in the. Either the NFC Championship games or obviously the Super Bowl. In my opinion, they should have won those two Super Bowls, but, you know, that's all flip of the coin. But as I mentioned. I think I mentioned, like, halfway through the season, right? He was like, on my hot seat. Just because, like, the temperature is a little hot over here. It just kind of feels like it's the end of. They're just kind of. It's due, you know, it. It doesn't seem like coaches last very long here in San Francisco. I think the pressure is too high. I think lynch is safe. I think the whole management team is safe. They've done a great job of turning it around, especially from the current ownership. No one liked the current ownership before this current regime of Lynch, Lee in the. Of the charge. So, you know, the Yorks, that's why I stopped rooting for the Niners as well, you know, almost a decade ago. But, yeah, it kind of feels like maybe time's up. This could be, like, changing the guard, kind of revamping the offense a little bit. Does Shannon want to be a part of it? But that'd be, like, a really great pickup. I think he could use another fresh start. He needed one after that, that Atlanta, you know, let. Let down in the super bowl, came to the Niners. He's had a couple letdowns here. Maybe it's time for another one. That's pretty interesting. I read though today that there was a coach that contacted Florio and asked him how come he didn't mention his name. So people are now are trying to speculate who that coach was because I guess he's interested in the Chicago job. So Chicago's getting some interest. The main thing, though, is. Is Brian Poles. I guess there's, like, some friction there with a few candidates and then also whoever they got behind the scenes there in Chicago. [00:20:49] Speaker C: Yeah, It'll be interesting. McVeigh was the name that X was throwing about that contacted Florio. I don't know if it's true or. [00:20:58] Speaker A: Not, but I don't think so, but probably unlikely. [00:21:00] Speaker C: I think McVeigh's got a good gig with the Rams and they got a young team. Let's go. That's. That's potentially on the come up that. But that is a year ahead maybe of schedule for how much they kind of rebuild it here post Super Bowl. But Interesting, interesting thoughts. I'm. I'm surprised the Bears are even entertaining some of this stuff if they are. But if they are going all avenues and Ryan Poles and Kevin Warren are doing things a little bit differently in this job hunt, this is, this is a creative way to do it where you're getting a proven commodity. There's been a lot of people out there with a hot take that the Bears shouldn't be going after a coordinator like Ben Johnson or Aaron Glenn or Cliff Kings, you know, they should be going after a guy with proven had had coaching experience, you know, for what this team needs and it's a good thought behind it. I think Ben Johnson's the exception, but there was reporting before this Thursday Night Football that they talked through that Ben Johnson basically said I will not interview for a job that I'm not interested in, basically. So he's not, he's not gonna be out begging for a job. He's going to a job for a situation that he. That he fits is right. And so that, that's an interesting point because is. Is the Bears even an option for him? Because is there front office or organizational structure that he doesn't like, which I wouldn't blame him. [00:22:16] Speaker A: Thoughts, Aaron? Any two cents before we move on? [00:22:19] Speaker B: Interesting, man. I mean, Kyle Shanahan in Chicago makes a lot of sense. [00:22:22] Speaker A: Yeah, it does. [00:22:24] Speaker B: Makes a lot of sense. I don't know, you know what the 49ers would want in compensation form? [00:22:28] Speaker A: At least three. [00:22:29] Speaker B: But also for the 49ers, their players are getting older. So do they want to go of a coaching overhaul or just a player personnel overhaul? You know, they don't need to play pay Brock Birdie this year if they don't want to. They can wait see what he does next year when the roster, you know, gets back to somewhat, you know, healthy standards. I mean, they just lost their top two running backs for the season now. Trent Williams has been banged up. They're kind of young on the interior line. Their whole defense has been in shambles. I mean it's just kind of like one of those years. [00:23:00] Speaker A: Just a bad year, dude. [00:23:02] Speaker B: Like the NFC championship game against the, the Eagles. Right? You're both your quarterbacks get hurt. You're basically got the McCaffrey playing quarterback and the game is over midway through the second quarter. That's kind of seems like the Niner season. Like it's got to the second half of the season and it's over. [00:23:15] Speaker A: Dude, you're right. [00:23:16] Speaker D: They. [00:23:16] Speaker A: They were rolling and then it all fell apart. [00:23:20] Speaker B: There's. [00:23:20] Speaker A: There's been some weird bad luck for the Niners. I. I feel. I, you know, I feel for them. [00:23:24] Speaker B: As far as McVeigh. [00:23:25] Speaker A: McVeigh sounds pretty interesting. [00:23:26] Speaker B: I don't know how much longer he's going to be in coaching, man. I mean, he was talking about retiring two, like two years ago. Anytime he wants to go to one of these, you know, cbs, Fox or NBC, whoever, they're going to pay him big money, I don't think. You know, he just got married. He just got, you know, they just had a kid. He's already talked about not coaching forever. Is he kind of burned out? I mean, Chicago with a quarterback like Caleb. I mean, Caleb, Chicago's a hot spot because you got a possible franchise quarterback on a rookie contract. [00:23:54] Speaker A: The McVeigh thing sounded interesting because the Rams were just talking about shipping out their quarterback and he's, you know, got what, a season or two left. You know, they were basically cleaning house before they kind of won a few games. Rodically, they kind of stay competitive in the NFC west. So that kind of, that kind of tracks. I could totally see that happening. [00:24:13] Speaker B: I mean, the other thing is, do you want to go to the NFC North? I mean, that division is loaded. [00:24:19] Speaker A: Not right now. [00:24:21] Speaker B: I mean, you got. You got love, you got golf. Who knows what J.J. mcCarthy is going to be, what Caleb can be. I mean, obviously these divisions were the turnovers. That changes all the time. A player, personnel. But I mean, some of these teams, the coach. The coaches in that division are really stacked, too, man. They're all good. They could all win coach of the year, so. Yeah. [00:24:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a tough division to be a man. No love lost. All right, let's take quick break. When we come back, we'll do a little college football before we do NFL lines. All right, Time for a little college football. The regular season wrapped up last week. Lots of exciting turn of events. We had the College Football Playoff ranking come out on Tuesday. Lots of upset people. Alabama. I know Alabama's saying that they deserved, they deserve to be in it. I strongly, strongly, strongly disagree. And then so it's kind of like lining up. Whereas it all comes down to Clemson vs. Ms. Or MSU. SMU. They got SMU as the favorite. They got one of the higher placements in this past week. So if Clemson upsets, then it opens the gates for Alabama getting kicked out and either SMU coming in or one of the other three loss SEC teams, Ole Miss or South Carolina. That's what it looks like. And based on some of the feedback from some of the guys in the committee, it seems like they're kind of set already on what teams are what. What's up, Westy? What's good, homie? Wesley's making appearance on the podcast. [00:26:19] Speaker B: What's up, Westy? [00:26:24] Speaker A: This guy almost tried picking a fight with the pit bull today. It was embarrassing. Just like, come on, dude, what are you gonna do? A little furball. Yeah. So first thoughts before we get into these conference championship games on the College Football Playoff rankings that came out this past Tuesday. [00:26:41] Speaker B: I mean, I'm looking at it. I mean, I'm surprised at the rankings where they're at. You know, I think Jason mentioned it on Monday that the brand that is Alabama was going to get the nod over everybody else, regardless if they deserve it or not. They've had some ugly, ugly losses. Just go look at that Oklahoma game. That's why in the following week, Oklahoma just got smacked by 20 points by an LSU team that, you know, middle of the road average in the sec. So in Alabama wasn't even competitive against Oklahoma. It wasn't like one of these games where, you know, Georgia tech, Georgia was 42, 44. I mean, they, they got their ass handed to them and yet here they are in the playoff. And I said Alabama, Notre Dame is where the committee is probably going to look at. [00:27:30] Speaker A: And you did call that and then call and bam. [00:27:33] Speaker B: The committee's listening to the show and they put it on there. [00:27:38] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, it's. It's the two biggest brands in the first round. I mean, it's. It's the old home of the College Football hall of Fame and the current home of the College Football hall of Fame. So this is college football at its deepest between Notre Dame, Alabama. The ACC title game is probably the closest one to watch as Rome's talking about because Clemson throws a wrench in really everything if they win this game. Because what do you do with smu? Miami? It gets into a bigger conversation and we talked a ton about it this all year where Miami, Clemson, smu, none of these teams played during the regular season. And so now there's nothing tie breaking between it. And so all of them are kind of Eligible. We talk with Texas about their schedule where they really play anyone in the sec. You know, Bama's played a couple tough teams and won, but also lost to some questionable games. So there's a lot of weird things with the way the scheduling works that's going to make this difficult every year where we evaluate these schedules and that the teams play and their wins and losses top to bottom. But there was a coach out there that I think he was in the ACC basically said like there's no, there's no point in playing any hard out of conference games because you basically can put together. If you put together an 111 season in a big, in a big conference, they don't really care who you play. [00:29:01] Speaker A: Yeah. One thing about the layoff right now though, Jason, I don't know if you looked at it, but let's say that it stays the way it is. Notre Dame plays Alabama. I like that matchup. Then they go on to play smu. I kind of like that matchup for Notre Dame again. So they go into the next round and if, if I'm correct, Texas in the championship anyways, you guys lose a close game to Texas, but it's a good year for you. [00:29:27] Speaker C: Great year for me, for Notre Dame. And yeah, there's, there's some definite winnable. [00:29:31] Speaker A: Pass for, for them one game away from the championship. I think that's great. [00:29:35] Speaker C: Wow. Just. You're just going to dismiss them versus Texas. But yeah, we'll see. We'll see what the final bracket is. Obviously the Big Ten championship game plays a ton into it too. If Oregon loses to Penn State and Penn State gets the first round by where does. Or is Oregon's lock because Oregon maybe slots only at the number five seed, which maybe kicks Notre Dame down to the sixth seed. And you know, so there's a lot of different. There's a lot of different things that go to the committee because the first round by of who wins the conference championship game. So as much as I've talked in previous episodes about my dislike for the conference championship game, this is where it comes into play because it's going to seed, you know, one through four in that first round buy of who wins it, which creates the 5 through 12 much more kind of up in the air based on these results. [00:30:18] Speaker A: Let's get into it. [00:30:19] Speaker B: I mean. [00:30:19] Speaker A: Oh, go ahead, Aaron. [00:30:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Look at the ACC is getting one team in all year. I think we've been talking about that for like the last eight weeks. Miami's, you know, schedule sucks. I know they could say hey, look at the facts. Look at the wins. You didn't play anybody. [00:30:34] Speaker A: I don't think Miami deserves. [00:30:35] Speaker B: Miami's biggest win this year is against the Louisville team. I'm not even sure if Louisville is in the top 25. It's a good team. Louisville's a good team. You know, they beat Clemson. They won at Clemson, played Notre Dame pretty tough before Notre Dame took control there in the second half. Louisville's a solid team, solid program. They're building something there. But if SMU loses the Clemson, they're not getting in the playoff. It doesn't matter to me what happens there. They've got to win SMU to get in. They're not going to get in over an SEC team because South Carolina is going to just say, hey, look, we just beat Clemson this last week at Clemson. You can't go on a neutral side field and lose to these guys and say you deserve to be in the playoff. [00:31:11] Speaker A: I disagree. I think SMU still can get in. I just. [00:31:15] Speaker B: They're not a big brand, man. They're just not a big brand. They don't have any backing really behind them. I think the interesting thing is tomorrow night's game, Boise State, if they win, are going to get a buy. If they lose, they're out. And UNLV is in the playoff. So that Friday night, tomorrow, Mountain west championship game in Boise, Idaho on the blue turf. Boise State is playing for a first round buy, which, you know, I would have said it's crazy for them to get a buy, but here they are, chance to get in the playoff. When they win, they will be in the playoff. They will get a buy. [00:31:48] Speaker A: They got three conference championships tomorrow, CSUSA, Mountain west and the AAC. Oh man, it's at 5 o'clock tomorrow. The boys. [00:31:59] Speaker C: Another one interesting, Aaron, is Arizona State. They're in the number 12 seed right now playing. [00:32:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:05] Speaker C: Number five, Penn State. But if Boise State loses and Arizona State wins, they go from 12 to the first round by two because they win the Big 12 championship. They get, they get a buy. So there's, there's a lot of Arizona State all of a sudden goes from the 12 seed to the 4 seed or maybe even the 3 seed of Clemson were to win because they'd be the stronger championship contender over Clemson with only two losses versus three. So there's, there's something to play for in these conference title games as far as seating. So it, but it could all go chalk at the same time too, which generally happens in some of these games. [00:32:39] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I mean the Big 12 winner, Iowa State. Arizona State's in the losers out. You know, I personally like Iowa State to win that game. Now Arizona State's top wide receivers out for the remainder of the year. I think that's going to come back to haunt them. I think Iowa State's going to win that game and then we could talk about them getting a buy. Obviously, if Boise State loses, if not, they'll likely be in that 12 spot Jason mentioned. I think if Oregon loses, they're not dropping any further than five. The, the committee is not going to drop them out of the five hole if they lose. If they win them, obviously they'll be the one team. So, I mean, you basically like we've been talking about smu, Clemson winners in, Iowa State, Arizona State winners in, and then Boise State, UNLV winners in, in. Unless Clemson really looks good and blows out smu. And the committee goes like, damn, that one by Clemson over South Carolina over Clemson. And they want to make the jump and bump them over Alabama. I don't see any way Alabama gets out. Ole Miss isn't jumping Alabama. It'd have to be basically Clemson looking great and then people saying, hey, Clemson lost to Georgia, South Carolina and Louisville. And the fact that South Carolina's won six in a row and beating some good teams and won at Clemson, yeah, they, they could get the nod, but the brand is the brand and Bama is that brand. So it's gonna be tough to bump them out. [00:34:01] Speaker A: Yeah, one thing that the committee did mention, they do look at the recent trends, like how you end the season. So that doesn't look good for Miami. That's why they're out. [00:34:09] Speaker B: Well, clearly they haven't been looking at recent Trends because Alabama's 4 and 2 in their last six, Ole Miss is 4 and 2 and South Carolina 6 and 0. Yeah, they big with big wins over A and M. When A and M was rolling win over Clemson. South Carolina has been probably the most impressive team resume wise, but it is South Carolina. So. [00:34:28] Speaker A: Cool. So on Saturday we got the Big 12, the Mac Sec, the Sunbelt, the Big Ten, the ACC championship. Let's start with Friday nights real quick with the Mountain West Championship. UNLV versus Boise State. I got the odds right here. Oh, just refreshed. God damn it. Boise State minus four and a half point favorites, 57 and a half over, under. Who do you guys got real quick? [00:35:03] Speaker C: This is what the one thing I have gotten right so far this year has been Boise State. [00:35:08] Speaker A: You did, Jason. [00:35:09] Speaker C: They beat UNLV at UNLV 29, 24 earlier in the season. This game is on the blue turf. This could be the game that Ashton Gentee needs to jump Travis Hunter for the Heisman Trophy. It's his final, kind of his final showcase if you will, to try to jump it. Travis Hunter is the favorite right now to win the Heisman Trophy. So a big game from him in a conference title game that gives, you know, a non power four conference team into the first round by or first round buy in the playoffs for Boise State. I like Boise State. I like, I saw it minus four. If that's the line, hold me to them. I even like, I'll even like four points. Four and a half. I'll still take it. I think Boise State wins big. [00:35:54] Speaker A: Nice, Aaron. [00:35:55] Speaker B: Bold, bold. I, I got Boise State winning. I take them on the money line. I'm not sure, so sure about the four and a half. They might cover this. I mean UNLV is a good team. UNLV was kind of that transition when their quarterback had left. [00:36:08] Speaker A: I didn't know they rebounded as well. That's a good rebound. [00:36:10] Speaker B: They've come back here. They played, they played Boise State really close that first time. Like Jason mentioned, that was at Alleg Stadium there at Vegas going on the blue turf. Boise States look shaky here. They've looked shaky the last few games. You know, Wyoming, things weren't looking too good two weeks ago. They got a home win. You know San Jose State, when we put Boise on upset alert, you know they, they rallied back when San Jose State should have been up 21. Nothing in that first quarter, you Boise State wins. But it's going to be tight, man. There's a lot of pressure like Jason mentioned. Gen team of a chance to wrap up the Heisman, maybe final farewell home game. Boise State a chance to make the playoff. The pressure's on them to get it done. UNLV is coming in there just like hey, these guys beat us. They're hungry. Close game, but I think Boise State pulls it out in the end. [00:37:00] Speaker A: Nice. Sorry man. Just trying to pull this up real quick. Yeah, four and a half. Let's go. The Big 12 championship. Iowa State. That is Saturday morning, 9:00am Gotta love it. Arizona two point favorites. Not a lot of love over under 49 and a half. Who you guys got? Not all at once, guys. [00:37:29] Speaker C: Sorry. Refreshing here. Go ahead, Aaron. [00:37:32] Speaker B: Yeah, as mentioned, I'm taking Iowa State, Arizona State's main wide receivers out. Just had surgery the other day. I saw he's caught over a thousand yards receiving. I Think nine touchdowns on the season without him. I think that gives a big boost to Iowa State. Where's this game being played at? Let me look right now. Arlington, Texas there. So where the Cowboys play, I like. I like Iowa State. The Cyclones, the win, Matt Campbell and Iowa State get it done. They get into the playoff, they'll beat Arizona State. Arizona State runs out of gas here. [00:38:03] Speaker A: All right, Jason, who you got? [00:38:05] Speaker C: I'll go Arizona State. It's going to be tight, but Arizona State's had some really impressive wins here down the stretch. You know, they took out byu, they took out Kansas State. Rivalry game, blew out Arizona wide receiver being out. Not. Not ideal like Aaron's talking about. But I think they'll get it done. They're going to punch their ticket in the playoff. [00:38:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm with you, Jason. I think I mentioned on the last part of the pod before that ASU is one of the hottest teams right now in college football. They're just balling out of control. So I got them winning this at least by touchdown. Let's do next game Georgia. See what is up with this website, dude. [00:38:48] Speaker B: All right, SEC champions, are you on? [00:38:51] Speaker A: I'm on bed MGM right now, dude. I don't know why it keeps on refreshing. [00:38:55] Speaker B: Probably because it's on auto refresh or something at the top. [00:38:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't speak Spanish so I don't know how that works. But Texas given three points, not a repeat. A rematch of Georgia really stomping on Texas early in the year at Texas. So they get the revenge 49 and a half over under. Who you guys got? [00:39:22] Speaker C: We've been telling you all year. Give me Georgia. This game is basically a home game in Atlanta, Mercedes Benz Stadium for Georgia. I think Georgia has just been the better team. Texas, they don't. They got wins over a Texas A and M team recently is their biggest one. But only you know, they dominated the game for the most part but only 177 victory other than that from a ranked opponents. They beat a ranked Michigan team earlier in the year which is not really a ranked team. And then I think number 25 Vanderbilt at the time after they came off their big wins there. So that's what Texas has held their hat on. They hadn't been super impressive the past couple weeks. I think Georgia beats them in this one. [00:40:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean it's tough to when you look at the film of that first game to get the image of just Georgia dominating Texas, dominating physically up front. I'm worried about Georgia here given just they just had so many tough Games here, man. So many tough games the last month with Ole Miss, Florida, Georgia Tech, they're kind of banged up, but like Jason said, this is in their backyard. Kirby Smart, he always gets these guys fired up and ready. I'm not so sure they want an outsider like Texas coming in and claiming SEC championship. Something tells me Georgia shows up in a big way. And if they play physical and dominate Texas again, that's going to look real bad for Texas going forward in the playoffs. This game means more to Texas overall for a confidence standpoint, but Georgia can bury Texas for good. I hope they do. I like Georgia here. [00:40:54] Speaker A: Cool. Big Ten championship. Let me pull up the lines real quick as it refreshes. [00:41:00] Speaker B: Half and 50 over under 50. Three and a half. Oregon favorite by three and a half. [00:41:04] Speaker A: Yeah, three and a half. Oregon 49 and a half over under. Who you guys got? [00:41:13] Speaker C: I like Oregon to win this game. Penn State, they got one of those schedules where you look at it, it's like, who have you played from a ranked perspective? I think they only played Illinois early in the season when Illinois was kind of hot and they were ranked. They lost their only really big showdown against Ohio State. Oregon has been, you know, number one team in the country all year. They had the Nike money backing them to invest into into offensive and defensive lines, which has generally been the weakness of this team. And they're set up for a deep run in the playoff. They complete the, you know, perfect season to date. They're the number one team over overall going into the College Football Playoff. [00:41:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. I like Oregon -3 and a half here. They got the bye week late in the year here. Had a cakewalk game to end the season. Penn State, I'm not really sure what they are. They beat up on bad teams pretty bad. And then when they get into close games, they don't win. We already know James Franklin's record in big games. He doesn't win them. Oregon's much more talented. I think their staff's a lot better. I like Oregon here to win by seven to 10 points or more. [00:42:18] Speaker A: So you're taking the points? [00:42:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll take Oregon minus three and a half. They'll cover here. [00:42:23] Speaker A: Jason, are you taking the points as well? Are you going Moneyline? [00:42:26] Speaker C: I'll take the points as well. [00:42:28] Speaker A: Awesome. Just because I assume you guys don't want to do all of them, but we'll do the ACC. Clemson versus SMU. SMU favored by two and a half points over under 55 and a half. Who you guys got? [00:42:45] Speaker C: I think this is going to be the upset game that'll kind of shake up the College Football Playoff. This is basically a home game. Ish. For Clemson. It's in North Carolina, so SMU's got to come all the way from Texas. Clemson's got the coach that has had some history, you know, in big games. And as much as they have been a struggle in some of these games throughout the season, losing to South Carolina, you know, recently wasn't the best look and kind of took them out, but they still got found a way in the ACC title game. I like Clemson in this game. [00:43:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I've gone back. I've gone back and forth on this game. I really like SMU's team, but I think Clemson, the history of that program, they're more battle tested. They got smacked up early by Georgia, lost to Louisville mid season and lost to South Carolina here. SMU really hasn't played anybody lately here in the acc. We'll see what they do with their backs against the wall, but something tells me Clemson's going to pull out the upset. I like Clemson to pull off the upset and advance to the College Football Playoff. [00:43:49] Speaker A: Nice. I got SMU in this one. And just in case I wasn't clear, I had Texas as well earlier. [00:43:55] Speaker C: We knew that. We did. We didn't need to hear you. [00:43:58] Speaker A: Awesome. Cool. [00:44:01] Speaker B: You can save that Texas love for another pod. Not on this one, bro. [00:44:04] Speaker A: Oh, you can shut the up, dude. I'll leave the Texas smackdown on that ass on Texas wins. I'm gonna go stone cold Steve Austin. I'll be chugging beers after the victory. And then the final rankings come out Sunday. So we're gonna know by the time we come on air next Monday night what goes down, what happens, who's pissed off. Lane Kiffin's been pretty active on X. A little too little too late, man. Should not lost to Kentucky. That was the. That was a killer because the other two losses were great. They're. They're good losses. But yeah, we'll take a quick break, come back, we'll do NFL lines and maybe a special guest. We'll find out. All right, we're back from break. We do have our first guest on Sources from the Sofa podcast. Armand, welcome to the show. How are you doing tonight? [00:45:01] Speaker D: Doing well. Appreciate it. Thanks for the invite. [00:45:03] Speaker A: Yeah, thanks for joining. I know Arman from college. He actually went to Cal State Fullerton. So little. A little tidbit. We all went to Cal State Fullerton, actually. Right on the Titans, undefeated since 1972. [00:45:21] Speaker B: 84. [00:45:21] Speaker A: Whatever. It was in football. [00:45:24] Speaker C: I think it was 92 there. There was a good T shirt at the student union to buy. [00:45:28] Speaker A: There was. Right. Do you guys. [00:45:29] Speaker B: Did you guys buy one of those or. No. [00:45:31] Speaker A: No. It's embarrassing, but if you look at that last football team, they had like four, like, who would become NFL coaches. Like, it was actually a pretty stocked, stacked coaching staff and like some guys on the team. So don't know how Fullerton fumbled that one, but cool. Time for some NFL lines. Armand, we just got done talking about Thursday Night Football. I don't know if you caught a lot of it, but fun game for us. Jared Goff tore it up and then we talked a little bit about the playoff pitcher, how that's putting together. Now we're gonna go over some lines. I don't know if you have any feedback on the Thursday night game. [00:46:09] Speaker D: Yeah, tonight was pretty crazy, man. I had some bets on the game, so I was ready for it. Yeah, I had. [00:46:15] Speaker A: Going down. [00:46:16] Speaker D: I. I mean, I won. So I took the. I took the over. [00:46:20] Speaker A: Yeah, we did too. [00:46:21] Speaker D: 52. I took the. I took Jameer Gibbs, Montgomery and Jacobs for a touchdown. So that was like +325. [00:46:33] Speaker A: Jesus Christ. [00:46:33] Speaker D: That hit. So, I mean, those are my two. I took the. I. I thought the warriors were going to get the first half over, but they actually didn't. So I ended up taking the under at the end of the game for. To cover my bet. You know, they got it. Got a hedge every now and then that's. [00:46:50] Speaker A: You're doing live bets. [00:46:52] Speaker D: Yeah. Yeah. So if I can't. If I can't get him at the end. [00:46:55] Speaker B: That's the beauty of live bets, man. You can cover your ass at the end if you know you're going to lose that main bet for the game. [00:47:00] Speaker D: Exactly. So I covered my main with. With the. With the live. And then Chicago Bulls have been pulling through with the. With the over. So if you guys are looking for some. Some. Some hints and some tips and the tricks of the game. Chicago Bulls over. When they played, you know, a okay team tonight, they scored what, 137. And I live bet them 135. [00:47:26] Speaker A: That was so close. [00:47:28] Speaker D: Yeah, Mana, it was. It was. It was easy bet. Like, I mean, they. There was nowhere near that they were going to even miss that. They were. They had the ball and they just. It was a good one. It was a good game. [00:47:39] Speaker C: The most stable team in the city of Chicago. They're the only team that hasn't fired their coach in the last 12 months. [00:47:45] Speaker D: Yeah, seriously, right. Wait, who is the coach there now? [00:47:51] Speaker C: There's still, what's his name from Florida, right, Billy? [00:47:54] Speaker B: Don. Right? [00:47:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:56] Speaker B: Okay. [00:47:57] Speaker D: Yeah. So they, they actually at 139. I bet them over 135, so I. [00:48:02] Speaker A: Don'T know if I would have taken that, but that's pretty crazy. But you obviously know the Bulls. [00:48:05] Speaker D: So they had 100, they had 100 points. 120 in the third quarter. So I was like, I mean if they can't score 27 points in the second or in the, in the fourth. [00:48:16] Speaker A: You know, seeing crazier things. [00:48:20] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, I like those bets though. [00:48:22] Speaker A: I dig it, man. Well, thanks for those feedback. We'll have to get you on board then. As we do basketball best throughout the season, we're going to kick it up the notch. We're definitely more like a football pod right now until the end of the season, but after the new year we'll be kicking up on the basketball coverage. But let's get to it. We're doing lines on a Thursday. NFL lines, that is first game, Jags at the tight ends. Couple underperforming teams for the year. Safe to say not beat game of the week for sure. Right. Giants are favored by three and a half. [00:48:58] Speaker C: This used to be the Thursday Night Football special. Jags, Titans, man, we don't, we don't get the high scoring games like it used to be. Jags, Titans, every Thursday this year for. [00:49:06] Speaker A: Thursday Night Football has been pretty decent, right. We've had a couple stinkers, but it's been pretty solid. [00:49:10] Speaker C: Bezos demanded, Bezos demanded better games, you know. [00:49:13] Speaker A: Well, they had to. They paid a lot of money they got last year. So this is really easy over unders, low 40 points. Who do you guys got? [00:49:25] Speaker D: I might take the over on this one. Just looking at dirty points, you know. Like if you looked at last week, how they handled the Houston game. Speaking about the, the Jags, I mean, they what, they put up like 20 points in the second half. [00:49:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:40] Speaker D: And they lost by, they lost by three to Houston or six and Houston didn't cover. So you know, that was a huge, huge red flag. But you know a green flag if you're looking at them for points. Let's see. Yeah, so they put up 20. So it was 20, 23, Houston and Houston's defense is better than Tennessee's and Mac Jones didn't even get into the game until what, the second or third quarter. So you know, there might be some, some opportunity for the over there, especially the way Westbrook Aquina has Been playing with the over the top quick, you know, quick two touchdowns. But I mean that's a boring game. I probably wouldn't bet it. [00:50:26] Speaker A: Yeah, you could say stay, you know, stay away as well. I, I do that pretty often. These guys, Aaron and Jason, they definitely provide bets on everybody because you pick the games. [00:50:37] Speaker C: Entertainment purposes only. [00:50:39] Speaker A: Entertainment purposes only. [00:50:40] Speaker C: I'm just giving it, you know. [00:50:41] Speaker D: Yeah. Heck yeah. I mean just, just looking at what Tennessee's been doing, just their offense has been pretty good. I mean I'm sure they're averaging somewhere around 30 points. Pretty close to it. And they're giving up a lot of points. [00:50:53] Speaker A: Levis has definitely turned a little bit of the corner the last few weeks, so I'm actually gonna take the tie into this one. Yeah, definitely. I just think Jack's gonna keep on tanking. I don't know about the over under. That's a little tricky for me. Oh no. Jason. [00:51:09] Speaker C: Aaron, I like the Titans as well. Your guy, Mack Jones, remember he plays for the Jags. He doesn't play for the Patriots anymore. I just want to make sure you know that. But yeah, minus three and a half for the Titans is a little squirrely. They haven't been favored like this many in many games this year. But it's got to go against the 2 and 10 Jaguars. Reluctantly. If you're going to make me bet this, I would take the Titans as well. Room. [00:51:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. I'd lean towards Titans. They were playing pretty good. They did get whipped early last week against Washington. Washington came out with 28.0Lead on them pretty quick. But they had been scoring a lot. As Armana mentioned, they've been hitting the long ball with Ridley and Westbrook. Jaguars hit or miss on offense. They got some things going in the second half against Houston. Lean towards the over there. But Tennessee at home. Tennessee's played pretty good at home. So I take Titans minus three and a half too. [00:52:06] Speaker A: Nice. So we're all taking the points. [00:52:09] Speaker D: I would take the over and the. And money line. I could, I couldn't bet Tennessee points right now. [00:52:16] Speaker A: But no, I say that's all good too. [00:52:19] Speaker D: If they play. If they play. You know, week 12 Tennessee game, they scored 32 points. So that's an opportunity. Right. And the Jacks probably can't keep up with 32 points. [00:52:30] Speaker A: So yeah, I typically do like a little coach's hot seat. And for. And for a little bit I was kind of debating of putting the Titans coach on there just because it's not a good first year. They don't have anybody on there? Trouble at quarterback position. But oh, yeah, we'll see how they end the season. Next game, jets at the Dolphins. Another set of powerhouses. Disappointing seasons. Dolphins here by six over under 45. Who you guys got? [00:52:58] Speaker B: Dolphins are. [00:52:59] Speaker C: The Dolphins are clinging to playoff life right now. They don't have much at 5 and 7. We talked about it on Monday's pod where the ASC is pretty much wrapped up. But it's a must win for the Dolphins if they're going to keep their season alive. The jets have just been terrible in every which way. I would take the Dolphins. It's minus five and a half. Honestly, I think the Dolphins put up some points in this game, too. And I would even take the. I would use it. Dolphins minus five and a half. [00:53:26] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, I would second that. [00:53:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean Dolphins. I mean, Sauce Gardener is going to be out for the Jets. He's their best cover guy. Two at home in Miami has been averaging 30 points a game or more at home. Every game they've played in where two has been at quarterback. Aaron Rodgers, traditionally in the state of Florida, plays terrible. He's already playing terrible. Give me the Dolphins here. [00:53:50] Speaker D: Sam. Yeah, I got the Dolphins and team total. Probably on the over side of that. Just because you're looking at. Looking at who's out. You got Breeze hall maybe out. Tyreek may be out. I mean, they're just questionable, but you know, that's most likely. That means they're going to play. But then quarterbacks. I mean, there's two different levels, right? A quarterback. I mean, Aaron Rodgers fell off so quick, I didn't even see that one coming. So, yeah, give me the Dolphins and I might even add. Might even push that to like seven. [00:54:26] Speaker A: Really? That's crazy. [00:54:28] Speaker D: Yeah. Score on that one. [00:54:29] Speaker A: I got the Dolphins, but I got the under on this one. I just think it's going to be a pretty ugly game. Jets have struggled all season to score points. Rogers. I think we've spoken up about Rogers, man. Just. It's tough to see him go out into retirement because he's not going to stick around next year. No one just not going to keep or who knows, maybe. Who was I talking to you about Aaron earlier today? Who. Who might take that job? Like, who's a good fit? [00:55:00] Speaker B: I'll take the Jets. [00:55:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:03] Speaker B: You were saying, Mike Ray roll. [00:55:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I would like that. Higher. I would love that higher. They have a lot of pieces on defense, got some weapons on offense. It'd be. It could be a quick turnaround. They just Need a stable quarterback anyways. [00:55:20] Speaker C: The jets are always a quarterback away from. So this could be a, this could be a. Take it any which way. [00:55:25] Speaker A: You're gonna say that for sure, for sure. Next game, Falcons at the Vikings. Falcons on a little bit of a slide. Started hot, now they ain't five and a half point favorites. Vikings over. Under is 46 at the Vikings. [00:55:43] Speaker D: I'm taking the Vikings with the points. I don't know if you saw Kirk Cousins last week but man, that dude has been like if there's, if there's movement around his feet, he starts laying the ball up and it's just right there for the picking. [00:56:00] Speaker A: So he's looking a little old last game for sure. [00:56:03] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean he's careless. He's, you know, he doesn't move well anyways. And then he had the leg injury, the Achilles tear or Achilles rupture. So you know he's just like what? Aaron Rodgers. Right. There's a really quick fall off because 37, 40 years old with an Achilles. [00:56:20] Speaker A: Well, it's tough man. Yeah, you're not going to see NFL team signing any older 38 year old guys after Achilles injuries after this season for sure. Aaron, me and you talked about before the season started how we figured maybe Cousins barely makes like week 13 or 14. And we talked about this in detail. And this is where Penix comes in and plays and gets some game time. [00:56:44] Speaker B: I did see, yeah, I did see the headline that Pinnix is ready to go. [00:56:48] Speaker A: Yeah. So what do you think? Do you think this is the game he comes in? [00:56:51] Speaker B: If Cousins put up the same performance we saw last week against the Chargers and he looked bad, that was coming off a buy as well. I mean he had some good games. Cousins this year where he threw for 400, almost 500. He threw what, five touchdowns against Tampa in that crazy Thursday night game about six weeks ago. [00:57:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:10] Speaker B: Where Atlanta looked like they were going to run away with a division. [00:57:13] Speaker A: Yep. [00:57:14] Speaker B: I would take Atlanta getting five and a half year just because, I mean the Vikings just don't cover. Vikings win and every game seems to be coming down to a field goal. They were three and a half point favorites against Arizona last week, one by one. Five and a half seems like a lot of disrespect for a team that's six and six playing for division. [00:57:32] Speaker A: That's true. [00:57:32] Speaker B: All right, I'll ride on Atlanta and Kirk Cousins and give them a shot here. But I want to be surprised if he lays an egg and they get beat bad. [00:57:41] Speaker C: I agree with Aaron. The Falcons plus five and a half. But I would say the Vikings will win the game. It'll be close. We talked about on Monday was that was. Was it Penix time And I think he's. If they had hope of the playoff I think that's who they need to bring in. But they have played. Many of their losses have been tight and they've just been disappointing down the stretch. I'll talk about Kyle Pitts again right now. Rome, get this man the ball. I think he's got zero fantasy points for me again last week and how many leagues I own. This guy got Bowers. Well yeah, but I don't understand how you don't get pitched the ball. But it could be time for them to put Penix in to really start moving the getting the ball on different playmakers that the Falcons have. But I'll take the Falcons plus five and a half. [00:58:23] Speaker A: Yeah, this is actually one of my potential upsets of the week. I got Falcons on this one. If you should have told me I. [00:58:29] Speaker C: Would have taken the Vikings then. [00:58:31] Speaker A: If Cousins does perform in the first half I got Pendix coming, coming in the second half leading them come back from behind. Victory two ups at the Vikings. Vikings have been playing to their competition. They've barely made it out on a lot of these games. What's their record? 10 and 2. I would like to see them get another loss right now. It's making me sick. I, I feel like I'm channel like Jason's hate from earlier the season against their quarterback. So I'm leaning heavily on a Falcons upset here. Next game, Saints at the dismal New York Giants. Saints fared by 4 1/2 over under 41. This is a. Stay away from me. This is disgusting. Who do you guys got? [00:59:20] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean I would probably take New Orleans -4. Just looking at what I mean the Giants. Oh my God. Lost, lost, lost, lost, lost. One game went to overtime and I was against Carolina and they still. And they still lost so. And they lost by you know, three points. Let's see, 7, 23, 3, 5, 8. So I think three and a half is pretty fair especially if Derek Carr can at least get the ball up to Shaheed, get him a little bit of the juice, get Alvin Kamara moving. But looking at Mr. DeVito, I mean he has a 189 yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions and he can't get the ball to neighbors who was a rock star at the beginning of the year. [01:00:16] Speaker A: Wait, is DeVito playing or is locked playing this week? [01:00:19] Speaker D: Oh, I Don't know. They still have DeVito on there, but he might be out actually. Huh. Because he did get. [01:00:24] Speaker B: I think, I think lock is starting. DeVito is going to be his backup this game for me, I mean, I want to take either side. I'd stay away from this game. Saints just lost taste. They just lost Taysom Hill. [01:00:38] Speaker A: It's a dangerous game. [01:00:39] Speaker B: He's out for the season. Giants are bad, but, you know, if they can get the ball to neighbors, Saints will do a lot of man to man coverage. So maybe Drew Locke, he's got a good arm, but he's not decent last week. He's not accurate. He throws a lot of picks. He's kind of, you know, the white version of James Winston. He just, you know, he can throw for 300 or he. Four picks. [01:00:59] Speaker A: Mike James, he's a gamer, though. [01:01:03] Speaker B: Yeah. I'd stay away from this game. I would lean towards Giants four and a half just because they're at home, but I wouldn't feel confident going either way. [01:01:12] Speaker A: Jason. [01:01:15] Speaker C: I mean, I agree, but at the same time, the Saints have shocked us on offense, you know, at random points throughout the season. Yeah, the Giants, I have no faith that they can put up points for the majority a lot of these games recently and as you guys mentioned, can't get the ball to neighbors. So I, I want to take the Saints in this one. I'll even take them. [01:01:34] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:01:35] Speaker C: Has a minus four because out of nowhere Derek Carr is going to throw, you know, throw some games. I don't think the weather's that bad in New York. I think it's just colder. It's going to be in the mid-40s. So I'll take this. I'll take the Saints. I'll go on. [01:01:46] Speaker B: See what's, what's the over, under in this game? [01:01:48] Speaker A: 41, 40 and a half. [01:01:51] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:01:54] Speaker B: Okay. What's the Saint. I'd have to look. Yeah, I mean, I know Armand might have it. What's the Saints team total for points in this game? [01:02:01] Speaker D: Oh, I didn't even. I actually didn't even look that up. But I believe if there's, if it's a four point, they're about probably. [01:02:07] Speaker B: It's probably 20, 22, 18. So. Yeah, around. I'd probably take the Giants team total under. Whatever their total is. I don't think the Giants are going to score a lot of points against the Saints defense. [01:02:18] Speaker D: Yeah. Yeah. [01:02:20] Speaker A: Who'd you out for this game? [01:02:22] Speaker D: I would have. I would choose the Saints. I mean, if I had to coin flip it, I'M I'm Saints all day on this one. Probably the minus four as well or the over. Just looking at both teams, we have Saints with 14, 35, 20, 22 and then they stunk it up against LA with 8. I think Derek Carr was out that game. And then the giants put up 20 against Dallas. 7, 17, 22 and 18. So if they can put up at least 18 points. [01:02:56] Speaker A: 20 points, that's a tricky line. [01:02:58] Speaker D: Yeah, that's a four line. Yeah, but that's, you know, that's what happens at the end of the year. They open at three and a half. So now they're at four according to ESPN Bet. [01:03:08] Speaker A: So awesome. Let's go to the next game. Panthers visiting the Philadelphia Eagles. We talked about it last week. Are they the best team in the NFL right now? Are the best team in the nfc. It's definitely a valid argument to make their favorite by 13 points over under 46. [01:03:30] Speaker C: I'm taking Carolina plus 13 right here. Carolina the last month has been has kept all their games close even with the losses. This is a look ahead game for the Eagles who have the Steelers next week. So the Eagles still win this game, but I'll take the points with the, with the Panthers. [01:03:48] Speaker B: I like that, Aaron, man, I mean, yeah, 13 points is a lot here. It's a show, Caroline. Yeah, I mean Carolina's looked really good, so it kind of, you know, scares me. Why are they getting so many points? Like Jason said, Philly could be looking ahead to the Steelers, but Philly, it looks like Goddard's going to be out for this game. Devontae Smith is going to be back for them. Defensively, the Eagles have just been killing it. And what I saw from Carolina's run defense, you know, Bucky Irving was running all over him. I think Saquon's gonna have a big game. It's hard for me to go against a team that can run the ball. I'm gonna take the Eagles in a route here until somebody shows me they could stop them. They should be able to blow out Carolina even though Carolina looked pretty good here lately. [01:04:36] Speaker A: Are you going to go with the -13? [01:04:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I would take, I would take 13 if I was taken aside in this game. [01:04:41] Speaker A: Man. Big balls, big dick on the table. Love it. All right. [01:04:45] Speaker B: MVP mama. MVP, man. Take one. [01:04:49] Speaker A: I got. [01:04:51] Speaker D: Yeah, I have Carolina plus 13 and a half as well. Specifically because if you look at their last three games, you got Tampa Bay, Kansas City, which you know that those games go anyway. Depends on what the referees are feeling like that, that game and then the Giants, they put up 17, 27 and 23 and they lost in overtime. So I think they're going to keep it. It might be a one touchdown, maybe 10 point game. So that +13 is looking really nice. [01:05:26] Speaker A: Nice. [01:05:27] Speaker D: But I do agree Saquon for two touchdowns. [01:05:30] Speaker A: Yeah, Saquon's balling and he's also in reach of breaking the NFL rushing record for the season. So I got the Eagles winning but this like typically when like the Lions are more than nine, it's typically the other way. It's, it's a losing record. I wouldn't be surprised though Aaron, like if the Eagles do blow them out of the water. But the way Young has rebounded as well, the way that the offense has kind of clicked a little bit, they're responding. They kind of got some life. They kind of see light at the end of the tunnel going into next. Yeah, I got the over at least but Eagles win. [01:06:04] Speaker B: But like you know, like Jason Armand said, I mean Carolina is playing good the last month. [01:06:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:10] Speaker B: And here they are getting 13 points. So I think, you know, what are the wise guys on is what I want to know what are the Sharps are and what are the size are they on? Because I think the public's going to be on Carolina because they've looked great. They could have easily beaten Kansas City, had Tampa B if they don't fumble the ball there in overtime and then beat the Giants over there in London. But Philly, when Philly pits it on, we saw him dominate the Rams on Sunday night. We see them dominate Baltimore and Baltimore. I think if Philly pits it on them, they'll pit it on them. But it's just a matter of if like Jason said, are they looking ahead and just want to get by and win by 710 points or they want to pit it on them and make a statement and win by 17 plus. That's, that's the real question here. [01:06:52] Speaker A: And, and it's NFL man. Like Eagles are what they've been on the eight game winning streak. They're kind of due for like a little snoozer. So it might be lining up. We'll see next game. Browns rematch from a couple weeks ago visiting my Steelers. They're six and a half point favorites over under 43 and a half. I'm just gonna go out and say it. I got my Steelers winning this thing. Revenge time, baby. [01:07:18] Speaker C: I'll agree with you on that Rome, because I think coming from the game two weeks ago that the Steelers probably should have won. [01:07:24] Speaker A: They should have won that. [01:07:25] Speaker C: They're going to come out prepared for this game and knowing they have to win win this win. Russell obviously in the last game, 44 points by the Steelers. First time we saw that since what year Rome. I don't even know the last time the Steelers put up more than, more than 40 points in a game. [01:07:39] Speaker A: But at least six, seven years they looked impressive. [01:07:44] Speaker C: I like the Steelers big. The Browns playing that last game where it was the full Jamis experience on Monday night. I think why I would take the Steelers minus six and a half is going to be the inevitable turnover that will probably be points for Rome's Steeler defense. [01:08:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. Jason, give me the Steelers here. Steelers can be disappointed after that loss. James just came off a great game. Short week. Now you're traveling to Pittsburgh. Steelers are gonna be hungry. I like the Steelers to cover seven here. [01:08:17] Speaker D: Yeah, I don't know. I got the over, I can't really touch the. You know you got Jerry Judy put up 200,000,000 yards last game you had I think on that one interception was E.J. moore fell down and obviously as a pick six or he tip the route or something. I can't remember but it was an out route and you know defenders right there just take that thing to the house. So I kind of don't blame Jameis on that one. I didn't like a few of the passes that he threw but he's a gunslinger. [01:08:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:51] Speaker D: So that's what you, you expect him to do right now people are putting the money on, on the, on the Pittsburgh Steelers though. Minus six and a half. [01:09:01] Speaker A: Is that who you got? [01:09:03] Speaker D: I got the over. [01:09:04] Speaker B: You got the over. [01:09:04] Speaker A: That's fair enough. Fair enough. [01:09:06] Speaker D: Pittsburgh for the W money line and then I have the over on on points. [01:09:10] Speaker A: I, I do that pretty often. Man. You're more than Fred to do that. Yeah man. Mr. IT, what is it? Mr. Unlimited? Is that his name? [01:09:21] Speaker C: Don't act like you don't know. [01:09:25] Speaker A: I, I, I, I can care less. I'm actually surprised he'll Next game Raiders at the Bucks. Mayfield six six and a half point favorites over under six 46 and a half. Dude, are my eyes going blurry? I think they're getting pretty blurry. Who you guys got? [01:09:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I agree with Arman. I think the, the Bucks in this one. Raiders kept it close against Kansas City, but the Buccaneers have been hot the last month when they went through after that four game slide that they had they should have been out of it in the ASC south. The Falcons should have taken the division already, but they come back, the Bucks are going to win this game and have that. Have that advantage for the AFC south to take it home. NFC South. Excuse me. [01:10:14] Speaker A: Yeah, all good. [01:10:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna agreeance. I like the Bucks here. Raiders. Jacoby Myers just may not play. He just ended up on the injury report, but ankle. Their quarterback, Aiden O'Connell, he's sick right now. Raiders, all the running backs are hurt. Outside of Bowers, they don't have anybody. Todd, defensive coach Crosby, that's it. [01:10:35] Speaker C: He'll. [01:10:35] Speaker B: He'll put together a game plan to shut him down. We know the Raiders can't run the ball. Baker and that offense has been playing really well. The Bucks should. Should take care of business here. [01:10:45] Speaker A: Awesome. You, You. You already called out the Bucks. Right on. [01:10:49] Speaker D: Yeah, so I got, I got Bucks money line. I would try to tease the points down to maybe five and a half just to give myself a little breather, but most of the money right now is on. Is on the. The Bucks money line or sorry, points. [01:11:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's the last morning game. Let's go to the afternoon game. Seahawks visiting the Cardinals. Tough NFC west divisional matchup. Cards favored by two and a half over under 40. Four and a half. Jason, look like you got something to say. [01:11:25] Speaker C: I was gonna ask if you could tell me who the quarterback of the Arizona Cardinals is. [01:11:32] Speaker A: Are you with me? Dude, I'm gonna say Murphy again. I don't know. [01:11:39] Speaker C: Kyle Murphy, man. You want to call him Kyle Murphy? [01:11:42] Speaker A: I know it's always Murphy for some reason. You know what, Wait, how they do last week, Harrison? I'm. I'm drawing a blank. [01:11:53] Speaker D: Just call him Call of Duty guy. [01:11:55] Speaker A: Call of Duty Guy. Dude, I'm on, man. I, I've been jacking up his name all year long. [01:12:00] Speaker C: Just. [01:12:00] Speaker A: I've been calling him Kyler or Kyle Murphy. Everything else but his actual name. Little Geo GI Joe guy, he's been an enigma for us this season. I'm not a big fan of his. But then he, he balled out. I jumped on board. I jumped back off. He showed up last week. I, you know, a little bit, but it's a tough game. Who you guys got? [01:12:25] Speaker C: Cards have lost two straight after their four game winning streak and they lost against Minnesota and then previously to Seattle, up in Seattle, even though the game was pretty tight, low scoring. Yeah, you guys were the ones on Seattle earlier in the year as the dark horse to win the NFC West. I've made, I've been along with you guys here mid season since the Niners have gotten hurt and haven't been able to stay healthy where I thought they were to run away with this division. But I think the Seahawks are in the driver's seat. I think they're going to win this game even as the Dogs. I think they got Arizona minus two and a half. I think Seattle wins. [01:13:03] Speaker B: I'm going to go the opposite, man. I know I've been on Seattle all year. I like Arizona here. They've lost two in a row. They're back home. They lost out Seattle at Minnesota. What worries me, they've only scored one offensive touchdown the last two weeks. I think they figured things out. Get it going. Get that running game going with Connor, get the passing game going. Harrison Jr. I like Arizona in a big bounce back spot here against a Seattle team that realistically should have lost a couple of these games against the 49ers Cardinals and the jets had them down and they came back because Rogers gave him that game away. Kyler Murphy won't throw this ball over. I like them here. [01:13:37] Speaker A: I like how you call the Murphy. That's great. Thank you. [01:13:40] Speaker B: You got it stuck in my head now, man. [01:13:41] Speaker A: I appreciate your back room. Much love, man. I actually got Arizona bouncing back as well. I'm not sure about the points but money line for them. The over under is really interesting. 44 and a half. This is tricky because this could be like a 21:19 game. Could be like a 21:24 game, like right at the mark. This is stay away from the over under standpoint. But I got everything winning this. But you know what? He'll probably us again. See how he's going to win it. That division sucks. [01:14:07] Speaker D: I got Arizona money line. I see Kyler probably putting up over 50 yards on the ground just because he's going to have to. Seattle's defense as far as stopping the run isn't the best in the world. I mean the jets looked great during that game and that's rare. You could say they look great anytime this season. So that just tells you a little bit about where Seattle's at defensively. Their defensive guru head coach is not really that great. And I mean, obviously I'm salty, so I'm be rooting for the cards on this one. [01:14:47] Speaker A: A lot of salt, just a little. FYI, Arman is a 49er fan. So we'll talk more about the NFC west right now too as well. Yeah, Arizona, we'll go to the next game real quick before we circle back on that division since we got that game coming up later on Bills at the Rams. Bill's getting only three and a half. Three and a half points over under 49 and a half. Pretty interesting. Why is it just three and a half? [01:15:17] Speaker C: I think a tough travel for the Bills. They gotta go from upstate New York all the way to la. They just played that blizzard of a game out out in Buffalo last week. So that would be pretty much my guess because when you look at it, yeah, the Bills should run away with this minus three and a half of a. McVeigh keeps things tight. The Bills are trying to get that one seed and they want the AFC to run through Orchard park if they have to play the Chiefs in the playoffs. So I think, I think the Bills cover the three and a half. [01:15:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. Bill's three and a half. I think the line opened up at 5. But like Jason mentioned Sunday night, they're traveling. I think there was, I know other networks were talking about it. Teams that travel from the east to play out west after a late game traditionally don't play well. But I think this Buffalo team's just built different. This would be a game they remember. They already came out west and smashed Seattle like a month ago. Yeah, those Rams. The Rams offensive line isn't great. You can run on Buffalo, but I'll take the Bills here. Three and a half for sure. Money line to win the game. [01:16:26] Speaker D: Got Bills as well. I mean, I think they might win by you know, 10, 15 points. Even though it's a clean game. You got, you know, you don't have any of the weather. You're still looking at a beat up Rams team the over at 49 and a half. So you got to get 50. Might be a little rich. [01:16:49] Speaker A: That's a little rich. Yeah. [01:16:51] Speaker D: But, but no, I would definitely maybe look at a Buffalo team total over if they're somewhere around 20, 25 or 24 points. That looks good. The under and then money line. Definite. [01:17:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I got Bill's money line. I got the under on this one. This looks, this feels potentially like a 30 to 18 game. I don't know, maybe high 20s to like 18. [01:17:18] Speaker D: One thing that I, that I just pulled up the, the bills are 5 and 7 against the spread. So that might be a, that might be an omen there. [01:17:29] Speaker A: Nice stat, dude. Thanks. Interesting. Just five and seven, huh? [01:17:36] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:17:38] Speaker A: You know what? Rams have pulled out some pretty impressive victories at home though against, you know, some pretty good teams. They stunned the Niners early in their season. I was kind of leaning this might be a potential upset, but I'm not sold on it yet. I got to see who's healthy on the Ram side in order to fully commit to that call. That might be like a Sunday morning Twitter Decision X decision, but yeah, big Josh Allen fan. So Bills next game. One of the games of the week, I think. I don't know, maybe Bears. Jason's Chicago Bears with a new head coach, Ibrah Fluss learning how to do timeouts from today's game from Campbell. Watching the tape. Visiting San Francisco, my hometown or where I live now. Niners getting four points. Armand big 49er fan. I used to be a big 49 or fan. I jumped off shift because I couldn't handle the Yorks anymore, but should be fun, man. Jason, you're gonna be at the game, right? I might be at the game. [01:18:41] Speaker C: I'm not sure I will be at the game. I'm not sure if you can call a four and a team that just fired their coach against a 5 and 7 team a game of the week. [01:18:51] Speaker B: I think, I think it's. This podcast is game of the week right now. [01:18:55] Speaker C: I mean, for right now, for, for, you know, for, for me, myself and our guests, yes, this would be the game of the week that we'll be watching, but I think for the rest of the nation, probably not, especially with the Niners, with how many injuries they have, we're not seeing the stars, you know, really come out for. For them that you'd want to see when you watch the Niners play. But, you know, I think for me, the highlight of the game will be are the Bears going to be trying to recruit Kyle Shanahan before the game, during the game, or after the game to eventually be the Bears head coach? Are they going to try to impress him to move him over? I think that, you know, going. Going back to our conversation earlier, but yeah, The Bears last three weeks getting into the game, they are 201 against the spread. So they were tight in those three division games that were eventually losses. Three and a half points for a Niners team that, you know, doesn't have McCaffrey. Iuk's obviously been out. Fred Warner I think is playing on one leg at this point. K has been banged up throughout the year. As bad as the Bears have been from the wins and loss record, they have kept games close. I will take the Bears plus three and a half, of course. [01:20:03] Speaker A: Aaron. [01:20:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, like Jason said, given all the injuries the 49ers have, I'm surprised they're favored by more than three points. It just seems like if they're going to win a game. It's going to be by three points or less. I like the Bears to cover here. They obviously wanted Eber Fleece gone. They were going to play. They've obviously shown improvement under Brown as the offensive coordinator. I think they'll play tough for him, the 49ers. I just don't know if they have enough dogs. Enough dogs to cover that many points. I'll take the Bears getting the points here. [01:20:36] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, I got the Niners money line. Looking at the spread. Bears are 4 and 8 against the spread. It's kind of. It's kind of. That's kind of rough, right? That just kind of says, like, when it. When they get into situations where, you know, it's. It's a hit or a miss, they just fail. [01:20:55] Speaker A: Right. They got a new coach now. [01:21:00] Speaker D: Yeah. I mean, yeah. Whatever happened the other week, that was. That was pretty horrible. But looking at, you know, San Francisco, six and six against the spread, so we're about 50%. I might go ahead and go with the Niners -3 and a half. And the only reason being is because we're about to have this new young buck at running back. One of the fastest guys in the league, huh? So that's gonna be. That's gonna be pretty nasty. Looking at him play, you know, right there in that offense, you got some. Trent Williams might be back. He had. He lost his loss, his child. So. [01:21:34] Speaker A: Yeah, that sucks. [01:21:36] Speaker D: Yeah, man. We're going to have a few. We're going to have a few dogs back. Looking at, you know, our injury report, not the ones we want back, but we're not going to rush them. [01:21:44] Speaker A: So very optimistic. I totally respect it. This is. This is a tough game. I kind of want to go. The Bears have been knocking on the door of winning a lot of these close games. They should probably should have won some of these. I feel like they're going to be energized. We've seen teams win the next game after they fire the coach. I think they come out and play. Niners have the guys still on defense to play competitively, but I think their DC coordinator, they just gotta change ship after this year. I'm leaning towards a Bears upset, if you can call it an upset. You know, night Niners just have. You know, they're just banged up, man. It's a season of hell. By the way, man, since we're on the Niners and the tough NFC west, give us your take. I think I messaged you on IG about the niners because you posted something like Purdy's trash, Niners trash, Shanahan's trash. It, it. Honestly, Jason posts the same every single week about his parents, so it was really comical. I like to like throw a little shade. So Gibbs, your take on the MC west, man, do they have a chance to go in the playoffs? Grab a wild card. [01:23:02] Speaker D: We need a, we need, we need a four game win streak. I mean that's just. Is what it is. Looking at the bears, they're 0 and 5 away. I mean they haven't won, not at home yet. So I'm just liking our chances here, you know, specifically because we still have the skill players right. That are going to put us in position. But I hope it is a high scoring game because I have two Bears on my team. I got DJ Moore and I have. [01:23:29] Speaker A: That's why I don't like playing fantastic football. [01:23:33] Speaker D: But I'm looking for Brock Purdy to correct the ship. Dude has eight interceptions this year. I think it is. I still think eight interceptions, 13 touchdowns. This dude needs to turn it around if he wants to get paid. He kind of has to show that he's worth it. But I mean my opinion, he's not. He's already regressed just like he did when he was at Iowa. Killed it the first couple of years at Iowa and what dropped him in the draft is that he stunk up the place. His junior and senior year was just okay. [01:24:05] Speaker A: No love, huh? [01:24:06] Speaker D: Huh? [01:24:07] Speaker A: No love, huh? [01:24:08] Speaker D: I mean we're looking at, we're looking at trends, right? We're gonna be honest. Let's look at the trend. The trend is he, you know, he had what, three interceptions, four interceptions, you know, at the beginning of the year and now it's eight. And he was out what, one or two games already. So I see a little bit of regression. Plus there's not as many stars that he's able to get the ball to. Like he hunted George Kittle two times last game. That's not going to get it done. The when we Shanahan. I don't know if it's just he's thinking too much or, you know, but it kind of reminds me of that guy from the water boy where he was looking at, you know, he's looking at all these players on the other side and they're like, they're just so big to him and he just can't. He like gets lost in the moment and it's happened, you know, throughout his career. [01:25:02] Speaker A: It's happened a lot. I've been pretty vocal about it and these guys tended to disagree. My. That I. So we talked a little bit about the coaching thing, about the rumors like how Chicago should hit up the Niners and see if they can trade for Shanahan. Might be a good fit. Maybe it's time for a change for a new coach. We know that coaches don't last a long time in San Francisco. It's like four or five years, you know. So, Max, so what do you think about that, man? Do you think Shanahan's on a hot seat? Do you think he balances. What's the deal? [01:25:35] Speaker D: I mean if he was going to get. If he was on the hot seat, he would have got on the hot seat when he lost two Super Bowls. My opinion and then not chat. So I'm a hardcore Niners fan since forever. But there was. I could tell you the times when I was like, damn, Shanahan sucks against the. In the NFC game, NFC Championship game when Devontae Smith caught that ball, which he actually didn't catch. How do you not challenge that? Like that's a fireable offense to me. Just that one second mistake. You got the lead in two Super Bowls and your only complaint is ref, you got to call it on both sides. They would have had to kick me out the damn game if I would have got not one holding call and two Super Bowls. And they were clear holds. Clear holds, right? So we got that. Then we. We lose twice after having a 1012 point lead. And then the. The ultimate killer for me and I was last year, I was just done is who the hell gets the ball in the super bowl first in overtime? Like you can't be that smart to be that dumb. Makes no sense. Nobody in their right mind would. Every Chiefs fan was happy when they heard, oh, the Niners are getting the ball because they know what's going to happen is what we're going to. They're going to. They're going to blitz us. Blitzes. Blitzes. There's no calls going to be made, right? So there's no pass interference calls, anything like that going to be made in that crunch time because the referees don't want to run the game. But for the ladder side, right now you're giving them the ball at the end when they know you're just kicking a field goal. Like that's. I don't know, man. It's crazy to me. Purdy is just not the guy. I don't care what anybody says. I like he's a solid quarterback, but he's not a great quarterback. Right. They're trying to pay him. They're trying to pay this dude up where Patrick Mahomes is. You can't paint that picture for me. I'm sorry. Not happening. [01:27:42] Speaker A: Jason, this is what you sound like every week. [01:27:46] Speaker C: Well, you know, just two guys speaking truth about their teams. I would love to have a head coach that loses in the super bowl at this point. So bring Shanahan on. I, you know, I. My guy, you know, can't call a timeout, you know, to save his life at the end of the game, so. But I get the frustration for it as Rome has talked about, like, the shelf life for some of these Niners coaches hasn't been there. And Shanahan's earned this reputation because when he was offensive coordinator for the Falcons, and you know how that game turned out. And then, you know, some of these big fights. Yeah. Some of these big moments with the 49ers. So. [01:28:21] Speaker A: Pressure pipes. [01:28:23] Speaker C: I get. I get where he's coming from. But at the same time, sometimes you want to be happier than happy. So when you're getting in the playoffs year after year and you're expecting that next level, it doesn't happen. I get it for the state of the Bears. They've been in the playoffs twice in, like, the last decade and a half or something like that. It could be the right change for them, but we'll see. I was going to ask him whether he wanted to resign Purdy, because that's a lot of the thing, but I think I got my answer. That's it. [01:28:48] Speaker A: Yeah. I really want to know. [01:28:51] Speaker D: We would have to resign him. I mean, we can't let him go, but we wouldn't be. We can't. I have you. All right, so you guys saw Drew Bre's last year at. At the Saints at New Orleans. Did you see this dude try to throw an out? It was. Yeah. It was the most horrible thing I've ever seen. And I'm a Drew Brees fan. And I was like. When I seen him after game 5 throw that freaking out to. I think it was Michael Thomas, and it was, you know, like, five yards short. I'm like, dude, that. You gotta retire, bro. Like, Purdy already has a weak arm, Right? This was, like, known throughout his career, like, because I had to look this dude up in college because I was like, man, who the heck is this kid? He's already known to have a weak arm. 75 right out of 100, if we're looking at. We got rid of Trey Lance, which is cool. I thought he should have been our backup over, over Brandon Allen, which, who's just horrible as a quarterback. I don't even know how he's in the league, but when you have that, with all the arm injuries that this dude keeps getting year after year, you know, you had the NFC championship game. [01:30:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I was a freak accident, okay? [01:30:10] Speaker D: Freak accident. Now this dude's shoulder doesn't work, he can't throw the ball down the field 10 yards. [01:30:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm gonna have to watch this. [01:30:17] Speaker B: I think Birdie, man. If you actually look at him, Lamont saying he's accurate. If it's anything under like 10 yards, he's money, he's accurate. But as soon as the ball goes deep over the middle, he can't throw over the middle because the ball just sells. He doesn't have any velocity on it. So it's always getting picked off by safeties. [01:30:35] Speaker D: That's it. [01:30:35] Speaker B: So deep ball down the sideline, he doesn't throw the deep ball very accurate. I mean, I, he's good for the 49ers offense because he can do the bootleg, he can roll out, he can hit K on a little 10 yard out. He's money for that, Debo, those guys, he can, he's really good at being mobile. That's something they really didn't have from Garoppolo. So he brings that to the offense. I mean, they'll probably resign him, but he's nowhere near I to me, I'd give him like a baker contract, man, maybe 3, 35, 40 million tops. If you could get him from 30 million, that'd be great. But if he wants 50 million, I let his ass walk, dude. [01:31:07] Speaker D: Yeah, definitely. I'm, I'm, I say that all day, dude. I, I, in this case, I would take Brandon Allen over paying Purdy $50 million. I don't give a damn what anybody says. [01:31:19] Speaker A: That's a wild take. [01:31:20] Speaker D: What, what really pissed me off was that we, we signed Dobbs and we all know Dobbs is a gamer, he's athletic, he's got an arm and he's smart as. Why would you put Brandon Allen in? Just because he's been in the offense for two years? Like, the dude didn't learn anything. It's like, it's, it's not like I would rather have a new guy come out there and run vanilla everything the whole game and, but the dude puts 145% of his heart out there than a guy that's putting out, you know, 75, 80% usability. I mean, that, that Was just horrible. I don't know if you guys saw that game, but Brandon Allen looked disgusting. [01:32:01] Speaker A: Not too much. [01:32:02] Speaker B: He cost him the game against Green Bay. [01:32:03] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. [01:32:04] Speaker B: I mean, he's just. Yeah, I mean, Green Bay did not look good on offense, but he gave him a couple turnovers, a couple short fields, and they just got blown out in a game that wasn't really that bad of a score. [01:32:13] Speaker A: Well, that's a Shanahan call, so that's my point. We can go ADS all day. I. I think we'll come back to the Niners if you're down to come back and talk to Einers football, man, we'd love to have you back. [01:32:26] Speaker D: Yeah, man. Last thing. Sorenson has to go, bruh. Sorensen has to go. We cannot. [01:32:31] Speaker A: Sure. [01:32:31] Speaker D: We cannot come back. What? Who we need to go get is Eric B. Enemy. He just got fired from ucla. [01:32:38] Speaker A: He did? [01:32:38] Speaker D: Yep. [01:32:39] Speaker A: Yep. [01:32:39] Speaker D: We need to go get him and we need to go get Salah back. [01:32:43] Speaker A: Yep. We've talked about this at least. Solid part. Yeah, that'd be great because Shanahan needs. [01:32:50] Speaker D: Help on the offense. I don't care what he says or how he looks. Some. Some games, if everything isn't just right for him, he. He crumbles. [01:32:58] Speaker A: He shuts the bricks. Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good thing. [01:33:01] Speaker D: Needs a. He needs a check and balance, man. This is Eric B. Enemy would be fucking amazing. Salah bringing him back and then, you know, having. Having a def. Like a defensive coordinator with some balls, man. I don't know if you looked at some of our. Our coverages, but man, it looks. [01:33:19] Speaker A: The play calling has been pretty bad on defense. They got too much talent to be this bad. We had a segment last week too good to be this bad. And I think we talked a little bit about that. Let's go to the Sunday night game. Wrap up with the Monday night game. Didn't know we're running this over on the. On the Lions. Sunday night chargers visiting the 11. 1 Chiefs who should have a good five losses by now. Chiefs favor by four. 43 over, under. Are the Chargers still a little banged up right now? Do they got some guys coming back this week, Charge? [01:33:53] Speaker D: I mean, Chargers are always banged up. [01:33:56] Speaker A: Fair. Who you guys got? [01:33:58] Speaker D: I got Chargers for the upset. Oh, I got the over and I got Chargers plus four, obviously. [01:34:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:34:10] Speaker D: That'S where I'm at on that. I mean, Mahomes is a great quarterback. I don't think we've ever seen anything like him. You know, overall, Brady is a great quarterback. Right. But they were just completely different. The way they ran their offenses and defenses are levels, you know, apart. But I think Herbert being able to get the ball out, throwing the ball down the field 60 yards and just out throwing the coverage is just like amazing. And he is, I mean, you know, if you're looking at a bull, that dude is. He's got the balls the size of a bull, man. He, he goes out there and plays and then I don't think the Chiefs are going to get that. I mean, they're at home, but I don't think they're going to get that home cooking. Just looking at, you know, the, the current streak right now, I think they're at a six game losing streak against the Chiefs. Our ball is the difference, is a difference maker. I don't care what anybody says. [01:35:08] Speaker A: Yeah, we saw that. [01:35:09] Speaker D: We saw him turn Kaepernick into the best quarterback in the league. He's. He just does it, man. He's a crazy guy and I think I love that more than Andy Reid and Taylor Swift. [01:35:23] Speaker A: Aaron, Jason, what you guys got? [01:35:27] Speaker C: I agree with the Chargers plus four. I don't know if I'm ready to say they pull the upset. I wanted to be with Jerome because you Rome's got the Chiefs at like number 10 in his power rankings or whatever. They were like undefeated, so. But. [01:35:44] Speaker A: Oh yeah, could be there. [01:35:46] Speaker C: You Rome's going to talk about if the Chiefs win this game, that they had the refs. They had the refs on their side here with them. This was the start of the stretch we talked about for the Chiefs, that tough stretch, tough stretch for the Chiefs. They're going to have this game. The Cleveland game could be, could be shuffed depending which Jamis shows up that day, but not an easy game as it could have been. They're going to play Houston, they're going to play Pittsburgh and then they're in the season against a Denver team in Denver. That's better than we thought. So this is the stretch for the Chiefs. The Bills I think are the class of the AFC and they want that one seed for sure. I'll still just take the Chargers plus four though. [01:36:24] Speaker A: Fair enough. At. [01:36:26] Speaker B: Yeah, make it a clean sweep, man. Give the Chargers plus four Chargers football, lad. McConkey should be okay, should play. And Louie's a little banged up, but if he goes, the Chargers can get it going. Chiefs defensively they've, they've got some yardage to some bad offenses. Carolina scored 27 on them Raiders. Let's just be Realistic. If they don't fumble the ball there, acting stupid like the Raiders do, they're gonna win that game. [01:36:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:36:53] Speaker B: So hardball, Harbaugh, disciplined football. This defense for the Chargers is good. They make Kirk Cousins look like he needs to go back to the cemetery where he came from and retire. Chargers plus four upset. It's a good chance to get it here, man. Chiefs are due for some losses. They're gonna lose some games down the stretch. Like Jason mentioned, that schedule's brutal. They're gonna lose at least two or three games, I think, down the stretch here. Kansas City. [01:37:16] Speaker A: Are you leading upset or just staying away? Just charges. Plus four. [01:37:19] Speaker B: I'm a solid on Chargers plus four. If you wanted to put a little small bet money line, but Plus4 is where it's at for me. [01:37:28] Speaker A: Nice. I'm leaning on Charters upset. But I've been against the Chiefs all year long. I think. What? I only went for the Chiefs just one week. Right. So definitely. [01:37:38] Speaker C: I don't even remember you doing it that week. [01:37:40] Speaker A: Yeah, it might have been a stay away. Yeah. The Chiefs, man. Not that I hate on the Chiefs. They just. I'm just sick of my homes. He's the best quarterback. That sucks for three quarters and just comes out of the grave for the last four quarter and gets like a miraculous holding flag misplayment. You know, the refs misplacing the ball for the other team. Bad. Whatever. I'm done with them. I just don't want to see a three, Pete. I won't watch football ever again in my life if they will. If they do a three. [01:38:10] Speaker D: Paid real quick before we jump to the. To the Monday night game. [01:38:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:17] Speaker D: How do you guys feel about. Because this. This has been on my mind for a while. How do you guys feel about quarterbacks sliding late? [01:38:25] Speaker A: So I did like the Tom Brady take that he had on the Colin Coward show earlier this week. Whereas they should probably implement, like, a penalty for quarterbacks doing that because Mahomes has been notorious for that. Kenny Pickett, he did it in college. And I remember watching that game live and I was like, oh, that was like. It was a smooth move, man. He. He slid. He did a fake slide, popped back open. I think he ran for the touchdown when he was at Pittsburgh. [01:38:49] Speaker D: He did, yeah. [01:38:50] Speaker A: And then. And then that. And then the NCAA did, like, a quick role change. You know, once you start going down, you're down. You can't do a fake, A fake out. And Mahomes has been getting the benefit of the doubt where he, like, pretends he's going out and then he'll stay in balance for another 10, 15 yards complete. And if, and if you're a defender, if you hit them, you're getting. You're gonna get penalized. So I kind of agree with Brady on that. [01:39:11] Speaker D: He did that against the Niners twice. [01:39:14] Speaker A: Yeah, you would know that. [01:39:16] Speaker D: Yep. He acted like he was going to run out of bounds. Ran for like 20 yards. Because green law let up. Yeah, because it was, you know, it's Mahomes. We didn't want to give up another 20 yards, but we ended up giving up 20 yards because he faked it regardless. [01:39:29] Speaker A: Yeah, if I. And you know what, If I was a coach, I would just encourage just someone lighting him up. If it's on the borderline, I think they should let it play. Unless you're changing direction and heading out, not at an angle. But I think you should pivot going. [01:39:44] Speaker D: Outside, you have to make a definitive decision. If you're going to slide, slide. If you're going to go out of bounds, go out of bounds. Because now you're going to put the defender in a position that he has to knock you out if he wants to save his team from getting scored on or getting given up a four, a first down on fourth or whatever it looks like. [01:40:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I was like on the edge of whether that hit on Lawrence was like a dirty play. I know he's been kind of guilty of doing some dirty plays. I know the guys were, you know, we're leaning towards. I was definitely a dirty play. But what do you guys think about the quarterback thing sliding? [01:40:18] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree with you guys. If you look at, they're trying, they trying to protect the quarterbacks because we've seen, I mean, the 49ers game perfectly. Example when we don't have starting quarterbacks in the game and we're having McCaffrey play, play quarterback at the running back position or there was the game with the Broncos a couple years ago where they think they were down to like a fifth string quarterback or whoever didn't have it. So it's not good football to watch. We don't have the quarterbacks, however, you know, in these situations, there's tons of garbage yards that are turning into important first downs or things like that happening in the game because the defenders, you know, don' know what to do at the time. And because the quarterback's able to play this game of I might go out of bounds, I might slide, I don't know. But the defender's like, I can't touch him or else I'm giving him a free first down or giving him 15 yards like it's, it's, it's garbage from the, from the percept. From a defensive perspective, I agree with you guys. There has to be a definitive decision. Especially at this point of once you're outside the pocket and you pretty much declare that you're a running back. Why the rules are different is just, it's, it's too much and it makes. In a split decision league where everyone is this fast, you can't have that type of stuff going on and it's just free BS yards that a quarterback like Mahomes for them the Kenny pick examples. I think one of the best ones because yeah you haven't, haven't seen that fake out where you're almost down but not down and able to get something out of it. Like you mentioned Rome. [01:41:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm in agreement to you guys man. I mean like you said, I mean Mahomes, he's famous for it. Looks like he's, he's slowing down, he's going to go out of bounds. He doesn't. The defender lets up because as we saw in the AFC championship game against Cincinnati, you get close, he takes a step out he goes and you know he's going to flop. You know these quarterbacks are going to flop as soon as you hit them anyways. And the referees are going to on precaution are going to throw the flag. So you either got to commit to going out or slide. If not you're going to take a big hit and you know if you're going to get concussed then that's going to come to the game of the territory. But you know, yeah, you gotta, you gotta make a decision. Can't be doing no half ass. I'm gonna go out of bounds, I'm gonna slide. And we got to come up a role that. Because sometimes these quarterbacks barely even get touched in their throne flags. And every time now a quarterback slides even if you two hand touch. I mean he's looking at the referee for a flag. [01:42:34] Speaker A: So. [01:42:34] Speaker D: Yeah, definitely. [01:42:35] Speaker A: Yeah it's complete. I think Rogers spoke about it when they call the roughing the pastor on him. I think it's their like won those victories before the coach got fired and he's like that wasn't roughing a passer shouldn't have gotten that. So yeah man, thanks for bringing that up. Good point. Last Monday night. Last game Monday night. Bengals at the Cowboys. Cowboys favored by. Oh no Cows are not Bengals. Bengals over under 49 and a half. That's pretty high. You gotta imagine 35 points are just from the Bengals. [01:43:10] Speaker D: Yep, that's. That's how I have it. I don't have the over on that one, but I do have the Bengals minus five and a half. I think we might have a Trey Lance sighting. [01:43:21] Speaker A: Really? [01:43:22] Speaker D: Yeah. Cooper Rush is looking pretty bad this year. I mean, he looks like he's regressed, I think because of the whole Dak Prescott, you know, taking over. And Cooper is supposed to be leaving next year because they don't want to have to pay him another contract. [01:43:40] Speaker A: Right. [01:43:42] Speaker D: And if they get. If they drop him and they have Lance as the backup and Dak as their. Their star quarterback, they don't have the, the liability dollar wise. But yeah, in my opinion. I don't know. Cooper. Cooper Rush is cool, man, but he, he regressed a little bit just looking at where he was at, you know, two years ago when he was starting. You know, he started three or four games or whatever for Dallas. Yep. And he was putting up great numbers. [01:44:11] Speaker A: And now I think they won 5 and 1. I think. Or he was 50 and came in relief in one of those. [01:44:17] Speaker D: Yep. I mean, they've won two in a row. [01:44:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:44:20] Speaker D: But the Bengals is gonna. Are gonna shut that down. [01:44:26] Speaker A: You guys go first. [01:44:29] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. Bengals easy. Minus 5. The Cowboys have been terrible at home, and this is at night, so the sun shouldn't be an issue going into AT&T Stadium to be in someone, to be in someone's eyes. But, you know, the Bengals have been, you know, one, One of, or if not the best offensive in the league this entire year. They just have no defense. But when you're putting up, you know, potentially, you know, Trey Lance going in the game with a questionable running game for the Cowboys, they haven't been able to get it together for the last month. Besides, I think the Washington game was maybe the most complete the offense have looked recently. But, you know, the Bengals are going to score a lot of points, and I don't think the Cowboys got the horses to keep up right now. [01:45:13] Speaker B: Yeah, six points is a lot for a Bengals team that defensively is just bad. I mean, they're really bad. I'll take the Cowboys here getting six. They've won two in a row. Got Brandon Cooks back offensively. Cooper Rush, he's hit and miss. But I'm not really worried about the Bengals defense. They just gave up 44 points. The Russell Wilson and the Steelers had scored 20 against the Browns the week before in the snow. Game. Even if the Bengals get 30, they'll give up 27. I'll take six points in Cowboys here. [01:45:42] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a great point, Aaron. I do got the Bengals, but money line, the, the five nap points kind of scares me just because I'm not sure if the, you know, Cowboys haven't done much but the Bengals defense hasn't done much either. So it could be a shootout. [01:45:59] Speaker B: The Bengals have lost four games this year. They've scored what, 35 plus points. [01:46:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:46:03] Speaker B: Never before done in NFL history. Cowboys ain't great on offense. Jason mentioned they suck at home. They just got a home win on Thanksgiving. So I mean CD Lamb, Brandon cooks. They should be able to. They should be able to eat that Bengal secondary up. [01:46:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:46:19] Speaker B: Even though T. Higgins, Jamar Chase are gonna have a big game too. It's gonna be high scoring game. [01:46:24] Speaker A: Yeah, they're gonna ball out. Cowboys have gotten some guys back. Parsons on both sides of the ball. I think McCarthy has done a pretty great job on like riding the ship more or less for like a lost season. The last two games they definitely came out and played when they could have just laid down and got their ass smacked. So think it'll be a competitive game. But I got Bengals and definitely the over. This is going to be maybe a 60 point game. We'll see. [01:46:46] Speaker D: The crazy thing. Oh, sorry. [01:46:49] Speaker A: Yeah, go ahead. [01:46:50] Speaker D: I was going to say the crazy thing is the Bengals away, they're three and three and at home they're like one in whatever, one in five. So they play better on the road. [01:47:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:47:04] Speaker A: It's going to cost Taylor his job against the spread. [01:47:07] Speaker D: They're 6 and 5 and the Cowboys, which is a good site for. For Aaron, they're seven and five. [01:47:16] Speaker A: So real quick, good opportunity. Since we're talking about the Bengals, there was the. There is some rumblings on some chatter about Taylor possibly being a candidate for the Bears job. What do you think about that, Jason? [01:47:30] Speaker C: I wouldn't like it. I don't think it's real. I also don't think Zach Taylor's in the hot seat like you've been saying because this is a team that kept Marvin Lewis around for like 15 years. The. As cheap as the Bears are as an organization, the Bengals are notoriously even cheaper. I don't even think they invest in scouting departments. Half the time has been kind of their reputation. So I, I don't know if Zach Taylor's on his way out and I don't think he's a candidate for it. I think the Bears will against My better judgment, I said it. They're going to make a little bit more of a splashier, higher, whether it's Ben Johnson or doing something with Shanahan or one of these other big name coaches. [01:48:03] Speaker A: All right, well, guys. What. What's up? [01:48:08] Speaker D: No, I was gonna say, you think your bear should go after B Enemy. [01:48:13] Speaker C: I don't think so. I think they need somebody bigger than B Enemy right now. I think that B Enemy stock isn't as high as it was a couple years ago when he was OC for Chiefs, especially after last year's with the. The. With the Commanders. I'd. I mean, he could be an option maybe for the offensive coordinator position, but I don't think for head coach right now. [01:48:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I was actually thinking about that, like, once I saw the news that he was getting fired or let go. His agent said, like, that was planned from the get go. But UCLA's offense didn't look great in the beginning, granted. But then they turned the corner. But the last few games, I don't know, he. [01:48:47] Speaker C: They said he was close with DeShawn Foster and that's why he took that job because he was still getting, I think paid from the Commanders anyway. So it was like, hey, stay in the game and get something better. So, I mean, he's put together. I mean, my. My personally, why I wouldn't consider the enemy is because he come. Him coming from the Andy Reid offense. The Bears already done that with Matt Nagy. So, you know, it's. It's put. It's taken apart, like what parts Andy Reid versus what parts. The other's coordination. My biggest fear. Rome. Did I say this on Monday? I might be repeating myself. Is Bears Thomas Brown right now. He's. Everyone's hyped in Chicago about this guy. He's got 28. [01:49:22] Speaker A: Did you know that he. [01:49:23] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, he's been young. He's got this prodigy type thing right now, and he's got this Mike Tomlin vibe that everyone's feeling. And. And so the. Maybe the worst thing is they go good down the stretch and then he becomes like, oh, we got to hire this guy. And then I saw a lot of Bears Twitter as if we end up hiring him, it's going to be the biggest disaster ever. But if the Bears let him go, which they likely will, he's going to be the prodigy head coach for some other organization somewhere. [01:49:49] Speaker A: He got the swagger to him. He gots to look, I got to check him out. [01:49:54] Speaker D: I don't even know who he is, man. I don't I. I can't lie. [01:49:57] Speaker A: He's came out of nowhere. He's just, he's been a passing coordinator like, you know, quarterbacks coach. He hasn't. He just, he just springboard into the head coaching now. Interim head coaching. It's quite the rise for, for a Coach. [01:50:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:50:12] Speaker D: Mike McDaniels did. [01:50:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:50:15] Speaker C: Yep. [01:50:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:50:16] Speaker C: He went passing game coordinator to interim head coach in four weeks. He comes from the McVeigh, you know, tree out in the Rams when they were, you know, the super bowl contender. So a little bit from his background, a lot of hype with him. I mean, he was a player. I think his career ended cut short from an injury perspective. But I think the leadership stuff that the Bears are looking for, I think he's got a different presence to him versus Eber flu. So again, Rome, I'm getting a lot of feedback. I'm talking about the Bears too much in the podcast, so I'll leave it at that for this. [01:50:44] Speaker A: All good, man. We'll keep tabs on that. Awesome. It was a pleasure. Thank you, Armand, for coming on the pod and giving your two cents. And we'll see how everyone's picks go. We'll definitely talk, invite, invite you back for some basketball. And that's gonna do a wrap. Catch us on igx, every other social media platform. We'll get some highlights going up. And my new Power 5. I know I skipped it this past the last two weeks, but we'll have it next week on Monday. Peace out, source from the sofa. Stay on board, Armand, a little bit while we load this thing.