Remembering Ozzy & The Hulk, The "Boring" Belgium GP, Jaeson's Season Crumbling

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:03] Speaker B: What's up everybody? This is sources from the sofa. We're recording Tuesday night, 9pm A beautiful 9pm it is beautiful up here in the bay. I'm sure it's hot as hell down in Southern California where the other guys are at. And I think we're gonna do like a few of these back to back to back pods where we just don't really know what the we're gonna be talking about from Episode. Episode. But we do got a few things. [00:00:26] Speaker A: For you guys before we came on the air. It kind of sounds like the bears practiced in training camp, but we'll let Jason that here in a little bit. [00:00:33] Speaker C: Well, I mean you're jumping ahead, Aaron, but before you get into that roam. Singh. It's a beautiful day in San Francisco in the bay. But don't you got a giant tsunami coming at you right now that's going to be there in the next three hours? [00:00:43] Speaker B: I did get a, a warning, but that's not coming in the bay. I'm, I'm good to go. [00:00:48] Speaker C: Okay, Just making sure, man. I just like the news is tracking this thing. We just. The whole Pacific is just in one big wave coming towards the west. [00:00:55] Speaker A: Is that the same tropical storm that was supposed to hit Southern California and be some big news like two years ago and it was just light rain. [00:01:01] Speaker B: For 12 hours earlier the year? Right. That was this past year. [00:01:05] Speaker C: I don't even remember. That was last year. [00:01:06] Speaker A: Two years ago, Right? [00:01:08] Speaker C: Yeah, something like that. No, this is, this is a real. An earthquake, you know, in Russia, outside of Russia. [00:01:14] Speaker B: So, you know, I don't know what that means. I'm not a geologist. [00:01:19] Speaker C: Well, there's a big shake in the earth now. There's a massive wave coming for everything on the Pacific coast. [00:01:24] Speaker B: I really thought about that stuff, Eric. [00:01:25] Speaker A: There's a tsunami warning out there or what? [00:01:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:01:30] Speaker A: Okay. [00:01:30] Speaker B: Like even in San Francisco, I was like, I'm in Knob Hill. Like I'm in the hills. You know. It would have to go through a lot of the city for me to get paradise. [00:01:38] Speaker A: I don't. You're not safe. [00:01:39] Speaker B: I'm not watching paradise. What is that? [00:01:45] Speaker C: We've talked about paradise, like. [00:01:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:47] Speaker B: Have we? [00:01:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:48] Speaker C: Back in the spring of shows you need to watch. [00:01:49] Speaker A: Well, we talked about a few scenes and stuff. We won't go into it, but. Yeah, there's about what a 300 foot tsunami in that one. So everybody was screwed on that. [00:01:56] Speaker B: It's a thriller series. [00:01:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:58] Speaker B: It's not Paradise Cafe here in the bay. Oh, wow. Interesting cafe. They're serving more than coffee there. [00:02:08] Speaker A: Yeah, sounds like it. Okay. [00:02:10] Speaker B: Paradise. There's, like a black guy in the COVID Is that it? [00:02:12] Speaker A: That's it. [00:02:13] Speaker B: Okay. He's a good actor. [00:02:15] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a good show. We talked about a little bit. [00:02:18] Speaker B: All right, I'll check it out. Was it on Hulu? [00:02:22] Speaker C: Yep. [00:02:22] Speaker B: All right. [00:02:23] Speaker C: Another one I don't talk about Sterling Kane Brown. [00:02:25] Speaker B: Great actor. There you go. What other movies is he in? [00:02:28] Speaker C: I mean, he was in Black Panther. He put a bigger role in that. [00:02:32] Speaker B: I mean, I actually haven't seen Black Panther yet. [00:02:35] Speaker C: Really? [00:02:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:36] Speaker A: Okay. [00:02:37] Speaker C: Well, I mean, most famous role he was in was actually on tv. He was on this Is Us. [00:02:43] Speaker B: Haven't seen that either. [00:02:44] Speaker C: On abc. It was, you know, pretty heralded drama. [00:02:47] Speaker A: There, but, yeah, I didn't watch that one. [00:02:49] Speaker B: What's some other shows he's in? [00:02:50] Speaker A: He does the movies. [00:02:52] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, he's been in some movies. I mean, he was in, I guess the most recent Predator. Yeah, I mean, he's just. He was kind of just an actor. Just actors. Actor. Just around there doing a bunch of different stuff. But this is Us was like the biggest show on network television, like, you know, five, six years ago with a bunch there. So I think everything else, he's Julian K. Brown. [00:03:14] Speaker B: I feel like I've seen something of his. [00:03:16] Speaker C: He was in. I don't know if you watched American crime story. The O.J. simpson, I think did. He was. [00:03:23] Speaker B: That's what he said he was. [00:03:24] Speaker C: Christopher Darden. [00:03:26] Speaker B: Ah. I. I thought he did great. I loved it. [00:03:29] Speaker C: Yeah, that was the other big thing that he did. [00:03:32] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. That was it. Thank you, Jason. God, man, you know, your tv a little too much, actually. Jesus Christ. [00:03:40] Speaker C: Not too much. We can talk about Fantastic Four a little bit later. [00:03:43] Speaker A: The guy's married, man. It's. You know, there's only so much you can do. Rome can't be sneaking out like us. [00:03:49] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, you guys, I don't. I don't hit the. [00:03:51] Speaker A: The. [00:03:51] Speaker C: The Bay Area nightlife at Paradise Cafe or whatever you're going to. [00:03:55] Speaker A: When. When he. When he. When he's out. It's. It's. It's, you know, it's. With the NFL PA guy out there in Georgia, in Atlanta, you know. [00:04:04] Speaker B: No, you can't talk about those things anymore. All right. Already four minutes in, dude, and we haven't. It's already been a hodgepodge. All right, let's get back into it. Ready, set, hike. First rest in peace to a couple guys. Ozzy Osborne passed away last week. Those after the pod, for those that know. When we did our controversy, we were in the airways initially when we were all 20, 21, 19 on KWRM, the worm. We had Ozzy as our intro to the show to controversy. Every time I hear that song on the radio, I'm always brought back to that dinky little studio in Corona. So rest in peace. I was listening to Ozzy the whole time when I was driving up and down from LA and back. I even introduced my daughter to a whole bunch of Ozzy soundtracks and Black Sabbath. And she's like rocking out. She's like digging it. So there is hope. There's hope. [00:04:58] Speaker C: It was kind of cool for Ozzy. I don't think we talked about the pod because earlier in the month, July 5th, it was right after 4th of July, like, they had a huge concert in England, had a bunch of different rock bands, and he kind of gave his last performance. That's what it was. They basically said at that time, this is going to be his last performance. And it was kind of like it was honoring him and stuff like that. It was almost kind of like. I don't want to say that was kind of his celebration of life at this point, but there was like a lot of like. Yeah, but there was. I mean, there's a lot of awesome bands that were there. It was like, you know, I heard it was like they had like, I don't know, tons of different bands that you'd reunited and stuff to just to put on. Put on shows for that particular show. And he was there performing. So I know he was sitting the whole time. And there's a lot of talks about his health at that time. But it was kind of a one big last hurrah. That was a. One of those. One of those events that whatever the people there, you know, was something to see that they'll remember forever. Because there was. I don't think there was any even like television or anything on this. It was kind of just all like, word of mouth and like, social media type stuff. [00:05:55] Speaker B: I caught Ozzy in concert. This was like, about like, man. When I was still dating the baby mama, she got me tickets to like this Metal Fest down in San Bernardino. And I loved it. And that was supposed to be his last hurrah with like, Black Sabbath and. And Ozzy Osborne, like, the groups. And then he had like another one. I think he's had like, like another two more farewell tours. And I thought about catching him. But I. I remember seven or eight years ago. It might have been eight years ago. I'm like, dude, this guy didn't have much left in the tank already. And everyone was cheering him on, like. Like cheering for your grandpa. And like, it was still cool. Like, it was still cool to see him like that up. [00:06:30] Speaker A: Those energy and those vibes keep you going, man. I mean, Ozzy, it was good. I mean, his voice is surprising. It's surprised he was only 76, because I think when we were talking, he looked like 76, like 20 years ago, man. [00:06:40] Speaker B: Dude, he's in 76 and you're like, time. [00:06:43] Speaker A: You're like, man, you know, like you said, like, hey, is he done? And then bam, three years later, he pop up again and bam. He just keep. He just kept going. He just kept walking. And like Jason said, I mean, put on one last performance, kind of, you know, a farewell, basically going out doing what he loves to do. And, yeah, may rest in peace. [00:07:04] Speaker B: One of my favorite metal artists growing up. I played in some metal cover bands as, I don't know, you guys may have remembered or known mainly Megadeth, but we played some Aussie covers. So. Yeah, man, just big fan back from my metal days. I have a lot of Aussie T shirts still, too, up here. They're looking pretty dusty, though, and they're too small. I can't wear them. But rest in peace. Then we also lost another legend in Hollywood, Hulk Hogan. I don't know why. Why I pronounced it like that, but that's the way I grew up saying it. Hulk Hogan. Like, you have the K with the. With the last name. I used to watch a show on VH1 with his wife and kids, and, like, that was a mess. And I was a big NWO guy. I was there for that heel turn and root for the whole thing. And there's, like, some drama with. With the Hulk in his later years. I'm not really sure what's up. I didn't really keep track of everything like that, but I know, like, social media is kind of divided, but still a legend in wwe. A lot. A lot of good stories of careers that he launched. But how do you guys feel about both these legends going away? [00:08:18] Speaker C: Yeah, for. For Hogan, you mentioned kind of the later years stuff. I think there's. There's been some conflicting stuff with Hogan, you know, in the. Out in the world the last 10 years. I think the drama and controversy behind him was kind of the. The released sex tape that he had, and it went viral for, you know, some pretty inappropriate and racist things he sent, which really got the fan bases kind of divided around what the all American image and everything about it that Hulk Hogan was and it seemed like to be alienating a huge portion of the fan base. So it was, it was kind of sad here at the end. And recently the WWE did a show, I think it was the first Netflix show. I was gonna look at this up before the pod, but it was his last appearance with wwe. He got booed out of the building in Los Angeles. [00:09:09] Speaker A: Really. [00:09:09] Speaker C: So yeah, it was, it was pretty. [00:09:12] Speaker A: It was pretty add into it dome there or what? [00:09:14] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. And so it, it was just kind of a crazy moment. He chalked it up to politics stuff because obviously he came out pretty vocally for President Trump and he was at the Republican National Convention and stuff and he, he marked it out to that. But I think there was a, a good portion of, you know, the African American wrestling fan base and there was many of the content, modern African American wrestlers that he was not very apologetic for the things that he had said and you know, kind of made some excuses, but really didn't denounce what he said. It was more just kind of hiding behind of like, hey, this was private, you know, private conversation. He was, he was going through a pretty bad time in his life at the same time too. That was pretty well documented where he was at a really dark place in his life. So I think it just sucks the ending. And I'm talking more about that because going back to the beginning, like this, this guy was an 80s icon. You know, he was bigger than the sport. He brought wrestling to the main stage in the 1980s. When you think of the start of the WWF as it was at the time, WrestleMania 1 was built around him as the attraction. You know, he got his first stardom in Rocky 3 as Thunder Lips. [00:10:26] Speaker B: Dude, one of my favorite Rockies, Rocky 3 abs. [00:10:30] Speaker C: Absolutely. And so that, I mean, that's where his star was kind of born. He was, he was in the awa, which was the Minnesota Midwest territory, and had some matches in WWF, went back to AW as their big champion. But Vince McMahon, when he took over the WWF from his father, you know, he, he, he basically picked Hulk as the guy and this is the company we're going to build it around. And he built WrestleMania around. And then that led to two years later at WrestleMania 3, the showdown with Andre the Giant, which is, you know, classic one of the, or if not the most famous moment wrestling is, you know, Hulk Hogan, you know, body slamming the undefeated Andre the Giant, you know, the eighth wonder of the world. And what that, and what that did at the Time. And you know, I think the, the great, the funniest thing about Hulk Hogan the last 20 years is probably like him telling these stories where I think Andre the Giant has gotten bigger, it gotten heavier and like everything about the, the tall tales that Hogan would tell him. But I mean that was a moment and that really put WDBF at the time on the map. And what they, you know, sold out. It was the biggest show of the biggest shows of all time. And so, and then at a certain point, you know, went through his run with wf, left WWF and went to wcw. Started out kind of Rocky still being that, you know, the red and yellow, eat your prayers and vitamins, I'm the superhero stuff. But I think the, the gimmick was kind of laying, laying pretty stale. It wasn't really drawn for wcw, but him committing to turning heel or going bad guy. And the turn Roman you mentioned at bashing the beach 1996, him joining Scott Hall, Kevin Nash informing the NWO it's, you know, I think Ash, yeah, I mean, I think that's the greatest heel turn of all time. When you're talking about everything that it was because this was, this was the baby face of Baby Face to put wrestling on the map. And for me as a, as an 11 year old at the time, I was a big WWF guy and I only turned on WCW because, well, I was, I liked Vanash, I like Scott hall. That was Razor Ramon and Diesel and they're going over there and they're invading the show. And for me at the time, man. [00:12:39] Speaker B: Like, well, these guys, I hate Eraser Ramon. [00:12:41] Speaker C: Well, I like at the time wwf. Hey, hey, my guys in wf, they're invading this other company. Like I, I was buying that kayfabe, you know. And then when Hogan turns, I'm like, oh yeah, he's the former WWF guy. Of course, you know, this organization is trying to take it down. And you know, when you're, when you, when you're dumb and you're believing this is, this is real, like this was, this was the greatest thing. All because my guys were taking over this company. And that turned into the nwo, which is, you know, one of the greatest kind of runs and storylines. I mean, you see NWO shirts still to this day. [00:13:14] Speaker A: It's NWO for life, man. It's for life. [00:13:19] Speaker C: Just a while. I mean, the wildest stuff about the nwo, I mean, you know, they did stuff on the, in the last dance we talked about with, with Rodman that, you know, he didn't go to Practice during the NBA finals because he needed to go to nitro to do. To do Nitro. And then crazy. And there's even been recent reports about the. The tussle between Malone and Rodman in the game was actually kind of like fake because they were trying to set up their match with DDP and Carl Malone versus Rodman and Hogan at the next pay per view. That was going to be a couple weeks after the finals. And just, you know, they were on the Tonight show with Jay Leno, like hyping up that feud and where things are at. And the NWO was at another level. And then that the Monday night wars in wrestling for those that know, like that's the biggest time. And you know, taking that this back to Hulk Hogan. When you mentioned Hollywood Hulk Hogan, like this was the character like we despise. He was, he was everything that the original Hulk Hogan was. And he was a cheater, you know, to get it done. He kept with the belt, you know, he spray painted the belt. Everything about it, it was just, it was, it was, it was being relevant to basically two different generations. And like when you think of our age, yeah, we think of Hollywood Hulk Hogan, but people 10 years younger or older than us, yeah, they think the, you know, the black and yellow Hulk Hogan and what he did. And then, you know, he went. After WCW folded, he went back to wwf, had one last run as the black and yellow Hogan character. His biggest match probably was kind of the bon voyage to him being Hollywood Hulk Hogan in WWF, where it was him versus the Rock at WrestleMania 18, which is, you know, a top five WrestleMania match. And it's not for the workmanship of the match, but just the atmosphere. When you watch that thing on tv, like it. The camera is like shaking. The crowd is insane. Just like the Rock versus Hogan of like Dave the Rock's the next guy, the next Hollywood person that's being put over and. But the crowd was behind Hogan. They brought him into WWF as a bad guy, still being Hollywood Hogan. And the crowd rejected it. And it turned the Rock almost heel in that match. And it was just, it was one of those special moments. And I think Hogan was bigger than the industry. And I think like a lot of these guys, Ric Flair and even Vince McMahon himself, Hogan's one of the guys that, you know, they almost lived the gimmick. Hogan definitely did, man. I, you know, real name Terry Bellea, like, Terry was not in public. It was Hulk Hogan, you know, for all everything selling the Hulk Hogan all American beer that just like launched and all these other things, like, he was, he was living the gimmick out in his life and. But yeah, it's just unfortunate that like down this last 10 years, to be honest, like, he wasn't just, you know, he wasn't remember for kind of what he was to everyone in our childhood because of, you know, the unfortunate incident where somebody like Ric Flair, man. Like, I mean, Ric Flair pops up. [00:16:02] Speaker B: In like growing in popularity. [00:16:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:04] Speaker C: I mean, Ric Flair's in hip hop music videos. Yeah. With Bad Bunny. Like, he's a cultural like icon when it comes to like style and like, and you know, just different things were like, you know, at this, you know, at this age, Flair's grown in such a popular, like you mentioned and, and Hulk really just, it just became a super divisive thing, unfortunately in the way kind of he handled it. But I think just remembering him like, obviously tons of positive things to send about Hulk Hogan and some negative things this week just because he lasted 10 years. [00:16:33] Speaker B: But what, what's your favorite Hogan moments? [00:16:38] Speaker A: I mean, I mean, favorite Hogan moments when he turned hill at bash at the beach. Because I was not a Hogan fan. I was not a Hogan fan at the time. [00:16:46] Speaker B: I don't think I was either. [00:16:48] Speaker A: So when he came out, you know, I, I was like, oh man, he's coming out. And then we classic, we talked about it. You got Bobby the Brain Heenan. Whose side is he on? Whose side is he on? That classic line coming out. And I, you know, like Jason said we were young. I'm like, oh man, I'm watching it. And I didn't know, like, I knew right before, like once he kind of put his back to the ropes, I'm like, oh, he's getting ready to drop the leg. And this is before he like even really committed to it. I'm like, he is the third guy. So that for me was like a huge moment. Like, I just remember jumping up because I was big nwo. Like, I love Scott Hall, Razor Bone Diesel, Big sexy Kevin Nash. I love those guys coming over. So when Hogan turned up with them. And if you go back and look at in that interview, about a five, six minute interview with mean Gene Okerland. I mean one of the, one of the best interviews with just fans. I mean fans were pissed. I mean, throwing food, garbage, drinks. Literally just the ring was just full of just garbage from everybody just throwing stuff in there. Like you saw so many kids, like young, young kids are like, heart was broken. Right? And even like parents of the kids, like their, their face was in their T shirts like they couldn't believe what they're seeing. And here I am like 11 years old, like Jason said, just like jumping up and down like, yes, this is so great. So that for me was one of the more historic moments. Obviously you got the wrestling moment where he lifted up, you know, Andre the Giant, that. That will go down in history is probably the biggest match in wrestling that kind of got it going more mainstream. But I mean, Hogan has been part of the biggest moments. You got Andre the Giant, Jason mentioned the biggest heel turn. I don't think there has been a bigger heel turn than that. What he did for that company, wcw, nwo, the Monday Night wars. That was a crazy time. I mean, dx, nwo, kind of the back and forth for Triple H, coming in on the tank, showing up at nitro shows and outside with the air horn and going crazy. But yeah, I mean, I remember Hogan really, for the movies, wrestling. I don't, you know, not so much for the last 10 years. And what other stuff going on? [00:18:51] Speaker C: All of them. [00:18:54] Speaker B: Rocky 3 was good. [00:18:57] Speaker C: His individual starring stuff like he was in. [00:19:01] Speaker B: He. He never made it as a star. I. I knew he, you know. [00:19:05] Speaker C: Well, I mean, Thunder in Paradise was the TV show like after he was post WWF or like that is WWF Run. That was on TNT that he had. I mean, he was in. [00:19:15] Speaker B: His reality TV show was good. [00:19:17] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, I mean, you spoke about that. I mean, you run for that. Like, to me that was never something I watched, but it gave him like a second life. It's funny you mentioned him and Ozzy Osborne or you know, the Osbornes, really. That gave Ozzy. Yeah, and both. And both really gave them a whole. Another generation of fans. Because you, you know, knew him from this show. Like how many. How many people were familiar with. [00:19:39] Speaker A: Were they the first kind of to go and start doing stuff like that? [00:19:42] Speaker C: Ozzy was first, I think. [00:19:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's a good question actually. Like, we should do like. [00:19:50] Speaker A: I mean it's. [00:19:51] Speaker B: That's like a. That's like a tv. [00:19:52] Speaker A: It's been so many now, it's hard to kind of recall, but I remember Ozzy because they were on MTV, right? [00:19:58] Speaker C: VH1, I think. [00:19:59] Speaker A: VH1, remember one. I want one of those networks. [00:20:03] Speaker C: Suburban Commando, no Holes. Bard was the wrestling movie that was really bad. That was out there. I want to say Mr. Nanny keeps coming up in my head as a movie of his. I thought that was a movie. I think he was In a bad 3Ninjas remake too, back in the day. [00:20:19] Speaker B: Oh, that's terrible. There was only the three. [00:20:21] Speaker A: There's only one good Three ninjas, man. Only one. [00:20:24] Speaker B: Yeah, There was a story about Hogan, you guys know that. And he always lamented this, that he had a chance to become really, really filthy rich. That George Foreman Grill was initially a product that was created. And they asked Hogan to, you know, for like the naming rights, you know, for him to like sponsor that or, or whatever that's called, branded as his thing because he's really fit working out. Like, you know, they compete against Arnold Schwarzenegger and all that stuff he thought was the dumbest fucking thing out there. And granted, I would have thought the same thing too, because all these products that come out like, why would anyone want this? You know, just like has the grease come off or whatever. So he declined it and it was worth, like, it was like a small deal, but it's like a lot of royalties attached to the back end of it. So they went straight to George Foreman and George was like, I don't give a fuck. He signed right away. Well, that's what got him so much wealth. [00:21:21] Speaker C: There are some different variations of that story. So Hogan will tell a story in multiple interviews that the reason that he didn't get the grill is he. Not that he said no, is that he missed the phone call from his agent who shared the same agent as George Foreman. And Foreman picked up the, the phone first and picked the grill and Hogan was left with like a electric blender or something for protein shakes or something that never took off. But both of those accounts have been disputed by some people saying like, no, they went to Foreman like right away, like Hogan wasn't in there. So the, the, the legend of Hulk Hogan. The legend of Hulk Hogan is him telling some tall tales on some of the rewriting of history of where things are at. And that is, that is one that has been disputed in several circles. But I've heard him in interviews talk through like. No, it's because he was picking his like daughter, son up from school. School. And he missed that sounds like. Yeah, there's a, there's a whole thing behind it. [00:22:19] Speaker A: Once a bullshitter, always a bullshitter, man, Hogan, he's got plenty of stories. [00:22:24] Speaker C: He did, he did. It was funnier interviews. There'd always be stuff with his tall tales. I want to go back to Aaron though, talking about the bash of the beast too. And Bobby the brain heated in that his commentary as Hogan's coming down the ring, it, it's one of those great long term story telling things in wrestling that Isn't done. Because if, if you remember and you know, for people our age, you probably didn't watch the 80s wrestling, but like the 80s in the Hulk Hogan era was Bobby the Brain Heaton just getting some new giant and trying to beat Hulk Hogan. And then so for, you know, because he had, you know, he got Andre the Giant to turn heel basically against Hogan and he had, you know, King Kong Bundy and like it was always keen and coming up with a new guy for the Bobby Heaton family. So his whole gimmick for this entire WDF run, Bobby the Brain, he and was trying to end Hulkamania. And so when Hogan turns heel, Heenan gets to have this moment. But basically, like I told you all along, this guy was a terrible person. And I haven't tried to tell you, like, it's one of those things that like, man, if you watch wrestling for a long term story, like this is, this is where it comes to fruition. That, that always cracks me up. [00:23:30] Speaker A: It's set up perfect because like, you know, like, basically you had what Dusty Rhodes, Tony Schiavone, they were like, oh yeah, here comes Hogan. Like Dusty Rose. Like, you get them, Hulkster, you kick their ass. And then you got Bobby the. Wait, whose side is he on? Like, Dusty Rhodes is like, shut up, Bobby. And then as soon as he turns, he's like, I told you, I told you guys, I've been telling you, like Jason said. And then he's like, you gotta, and then Dustin Rose, like, you gotta look yourself in the mirror, brother. You gotta live with yourself. I can't believe what I just seen. [00:24:04] Speaker B: Crazy. I, I'm surprised you remember all that, Aaron. [00:24:06] Speaker A: I go back, I go back, I can watch that clip like a hundred times. Dude, it never gets old. It's just one of the, it's like the iconic moment where like if you have a movie or a scene or something, like you can watch it 200 times and it still feels fresh and new. Like, I can't believe it's like basically 30 years. Like, I was texting my dad, I'm like, dude, this literally feels like not like yesterday, but like right around the corner. It just happened. [00:24:30] Speaker C: Yeah, it's there. It's those moments that stay with you because you, Aaron, you probably remember exactly where you were like when it happened. Like, I can picture myself in my living room in Illinois, like watching that, like remembering where I was like during that moment. I think just like, it's definitely one of those like cultural moments that you just don't forget as a Kid or even as adult. Like, we'll get into movies of like, you know, I'm. I'm a big Marvel fan. And I think for people that went and saw Avengers Endgame or Avengers Affinity War, when that was like, basically the peak of pop culture. Like, you remember where you were when, you know, the ending of Infinity War happens and half of the superheroes, like, disappear. And you're sitting there like, I gotta wait a whole nother year until the next movie comes out and half the people are dead. And it's just like, you just remember. And then you remember you're at an end game when, like, everyone kind of comes through. Like, the Hogan moment is just like. You just. It's just there. You remember who you're at, who you're with. [00:25:25] Speaker B: I think we all got to get some NWO shirts, go to Vegas and rock it. [00:25:30] Speaker C: Get. I have. All right. [00:25:32] Speaker B: I don't know where mine at, man. I've moved so many times. You know, it's gone. [00:25:36] Speaker C: I have. I have. I have an. I got an nwo. I got an NWO wolf pack shirt, man. I got the. I got, you know, I got the wolf pack tank top. [00:25:46] Speaker A: You know, it was funny. I mean, the NWO wolf pack. I mean, it was funny. When the T wubs destroyed Rome's Lakers. TNT had that NWO wolf pack on the back seat. [00:25:55] Speaker B: What? [00:25:56] Speaker A: Yeah, man. They had it going. As soon as they. They SW them, I'm like, oh, damn, man. Tnt, they know what's up, bro. Never got it wrong. [00:26:06] Speaker B: That's catching strays in. In the end of July. Dude, what the hell is up with you, huh? [00:26:11] Speaker A: The wolf pack, bro. [00:26:12] Speaker C: End of you. A wolf pack theme song is a low key banger, man. You could throw that on any day. I'm pretty sure we played that. I'm pretty sure we played that in the controversy days. I'm pretty sure that little tape we played the Wolf Pack song. [00:26:25] Speaker A: How to, man. [00:26:26] Speaker B: Possibly. [00:26:26] Speaker A: Possibly. When it starts off the. How right off the bat, dude. Like, that's. That's a banger. That is a banger. Roll the window down. [00:26:37] Speaker B: All right, let's switch gears, man. Ozzy and Hulk, rest in peace. Oh, man. Where should we switch gears to, though? Should we talk about. Well, Chicago lost another legend. It was like three legends. Lost a Cubs guy. But apparently well beloved by all Chicago fans. [00:26:59] Speaker C: Yep. Yeah. Moment of silence today at the White Sox game when they play the Phillies. Ryan Sandberg, hall of Fame second baseman for the Cubs legend. Yeah. Yeah. Really, when you think about it, man, Ozzy Hogan, Sandberg. I mean, these are. These are 80s, 80s icons. [00:27:14] Speaker B: 80S icons. [00:27:14] Speaker C: Yeah. And where. And where it's at. So sad, just losing them so young. Yeah. I know Sandberg had been dealing with some health issues, you know, recently that kind of been publicized, but I know he had been doing better, but. Yeah, just. Just sad, man. We're at that age right now. We're a bunch of. A bunch of these guys that were really our childhood and just so beloved, you know, passing away. And Sandberg had a pretty good run as a manager, too, in baseball. You know, he. So, I mean, he was around the game, but. Yeah, just was not. Not the best of week when it comes to beloved 80s icons. [00:27:51] Speaker B: It was. Who's that. Who's that announcer from Chicago? Percocet or. It's not. That's a pill. [00:28:00] Speaker C: Danny Perkins. [00:28:01] Speaker B: Yeah, Danny Perkins. [00:28:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I know. I know. Rose watching FS1. He's watching Breakfast Ball or whatever. Show got canceled. [00:28:07] Speaker B: I can't. Did it get canceled? [00:28:09] Speaker C: Yeah, they canceled, like, half the lineup at FS1. That's why they're gonna have the barstool guys on. [00:28:14] Speaker B: Hold on. I. I don't see. I haven't kept track of all that stuff. All I know that he's joining First Things first for an hour of it, and. Was that the guy that filled in. [00:28:23] Speaker A: For the herd today? Yeah. Okay. And. [00:28:26] Speaker B: And I like him, but I don't. I. I don't want to join him. First Things First. I like that crew the way it is. [00:28:33] Speaker C: Danny Perkins is good. I used to listen to his stuff when he was on the score in Chicago on local Chicago radio. So I think he had some great takes on. He was the. The homer of Chicago, basically on the kind of FS1 show with Schlerith and. What was his name? Carton. That was the New York. Big New Yorker guy. So. Yeah. I don't know. Interesting verse. I know, you know, your guy Nick Wright and everything, but I think it's a different dynamic, a person to throw on the show on First Things First. But. But anyways, what were you saying he said on that? [00:29:07] Speaker B: Oh, he's talking about how he. He saw him earlier in the year. He came to the booth that, like, won the games, and he was telling everyone how he just got cleared for cancer, you know, like it was all done. So they celebrated this big celebratory thing, but they're like, maybe. Maybe he was just, you know, maybe he knew, like, that was not the case, and he was just trying to. [00:29:26] Speaker A: Well, I think they said he was Cleared. And then he wasn't. I think he also said something about he showed up to his brother's wedding when he was like 15 and he was like the best man or something. And then he said that he came up to him and said, my wife like your speech. And he was like, well, what about you? Well, my wife liked your speech. So I guess, you know, he was kind of, I guess he was kind of more of a comedian, kind of comedic behind scenes, but wasn't, you know, more serious kind of in public, like, you know, with the media, but behind the scenes kind of, you know, like an Adam Sandler, just kind of joking around, having a good time type of guy. [00:30:03] Speaker B: Yeah, Marshawn lynch, that's the guy. It's not a. Doesn't like the media. All right, cool. Should we take a break and then come back and talk about F1? [00:30:16] Speaker C: Yeah, that's fine. [00:30:17] Speaker A: Yeah, it works. [00:30:18] Speaker B: All right, let's do it real quick. All right, time for some more random topics. But first, before we go on like a ramble fest, I guess let's just talk about a little F1. The Belgium Grand Prix. I stayed up late Saturday night. I just couldn't sleep for whatever reasons. Hanging out with my daughter. Great weekend. But when I Woke up at 8:25, it was like 8:25, something like that. I was like, damn it. I didn't hear the alarm. To wake up to cash the race check up. My phone says like lap 22 of lap 22. I'm like, what? Like just 20, like that can't be the race. So I'm assuming it's just updating as it completes the lap. So I get up on and pop onto the, onto the sofa and gotta catch the second half of it. This is pretty awesome. So thank God for the rain delay. It was beautiful. I think all races should start like around 7:38. I think that's a sweet spot for me. But I know that's not gonna happen. [00:31:21] Speaker A: But I mean, I was. I don't mind. I don't mind it starting at that time either. Rome. [00:31:25] Speaker B: But yeah, what's wrong? [00:31:27] Speaker A: Five wake up calls. [00:31:29] Speaker B: What's wrong with tough? Yeah, like, what is it? [00:31:34] Speaker A: Jason. Jason got to sleep in beam over there in Chicago for this one. [00:31:37] Speaker C: But yeah, I was in Chicago. It was a little bit of a better start time, I'll say. But the, the rain delay killed it though. So that's, you know, that was the only thing. [00:31:46] Speaker B: I loved it. It was great. It was a blessing. I got to catch it. Unfortunately though, I missed all the Action that happened in the first half where I get to start underneath the caution and Lando tires start losing out and, and Piastri take takes advantage and takes first and doesn't relinquish for the rest of the race. Lando's on hards for the second half, is inching away 0.6 to 0.8 every single lap. But then same thing kind of slips and things lock up and kind of loses track. Still got it down to 3.8. Could have had a chance to potentially get DRS and maybe make a move at the end, but it is what it is. I just saw Today though that 10 race, 10 drivers got penalized and I wasn't sure what that meant where they deleted a lap for 10 drivers. And I think size is the one that got got three laps deleted typically like it's a more of a. A point or like a like seconds infraction like the day of the race, but nothing changes for the final result. So I was kind of confused reading all that stuff because that's all news to me. I don't really know what that means. Like so like they just all up at different parts of different laps. I don't know if you knew about that Jason, but maybe you can educate us a little bit on those rules. [00:33:07] Speaker C: I didn't hear that at all. So you're, you're kind of going through here generally. [00:33:11] Speaker A: Is that breaking news or what? Is that breaking news? I've not heard that either. [00:33:15] Speaker C: I, I was like is he, is this, is he making this up? Because I don't see this. Generally lap deletion rooms is in qualifying. So if. And it happened to Lewis Hamilton on Saturday. [00:33:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, that's what it said. Yeah, yeah. [00:33:29] Speaker C: So it happened to Lewis Hamilton on Saturday for his qualifying effort in Q1. And so his final lap, all four tires were off the track as he was leaving on Rouge, which is the big turn. That's what that SPA is famous for. And so his lap got deleted and he got stuck gateway out in the first qualifying. So that's generally where you see the lap deletions come from during the race. And again I don't know what Rome's reading. Maybe he's got better F1 sources than I do that I didn't hear about this. But during the race the, the officials are generally monitoring you exceeding track limits and you'll get a warning and you get like two warnings and then the third time you'll get like a five second penalty. So generally that's what wouldn't be like A lap deletion but more of just like they would get warnings going into but that happens during the race. So. [00:34:21] Speaker B: But this was on GP fans. Says Lando Norris, one of 10 drivers hit by late FIA ruling after Belgium Grand Prix. And says Landlord Norris, Carlos Sides, Isaac Hajar, Gabriel Bartoletto, Pierre Gasly, Kimmy Antonelli, Franco Cola, Alex Albon, Fernando Alonso and Yuki Tsunoda all had a lap time deleted for failing to use the track at either turns 4, 6, 10 and 18. While Norris only had one lap deleted signs was the driver with the most repeat offenses and had three of his laps deleted at Spa. None of the 10 drivers were penalized for exceeding track limits and the official race results still stand. [00:35:08] Speaker C: Well, it seems like a lot of words about nothing. So I don't know. I mean typical fia. If that is indeed true, which I don't doubt it is and what it'll play to. Usually they don't have the, the points anymore. But there used to be a point for fastest lap. Yeah and if you got. And if. And they don't do that anymore, you can still get the fastest lap. But if you. If the fastest lap was gained on a lap that had an infraction, it wouldn't count and that would. That can come into play. But they got rid of the fastest lap because there was some BS gamesmanship with lower tier teams that were stealing the fastest lap point which happened with Daniel Ricardo in his final race in Singapore last year to basically steal the point away from Lando. So it helped out Max Verstappen in the end. But all in all the race Rome started late Weather delay, highly controversial, especially from your more experienced F1 drivers. Max Verstappen, Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso not happy with it. [00:36:06] Speaker A: Should there, should there have been a weather delay, Jason? [00:36:09] Speaker C: No, I agree. [00:36:10] Speaker A: I don't think there should have been really. [00:36:12] Speaker C: There shouldn't have there. No. In Formula one this is not nascar. You know nascar they race on slicks and you know in the oval it's super dangerous just because the just tread isn't there when we're on the flat surfaces of. You know and I say flat but Belgium isn't exactly flat. There's a lot of elevation changes especially through. On rouge and, and different, different parts of the track as you go through. But these aren't, these are. There's different tires, things like that. There's wet weather tires. That was, that was the funniest thing is like why is there a Pirelli wet weather set when we won't even go racing in Them we're only going to do the intermediate set which basically is like as like a, you know, portion of the tread, like your normal street tires room. So they definitely should have been racing. There is some sensitivity around this particular track because this is a, this is, I mentioned historic track, but it's also a historic track for fatalities. There's been 49 different people that died in different. [00:37:09] Speaker B: Shut down. [00:37:09] Speaker A: They went to the spa and didn't come back, man. [00:37:12] Speaker C: Yeah. So look at the history of this track. I mean in. In different competitions, you know, some Formula one other like European tour cars. The most recently was a Formula 2 driver that died back in 2019. I think it was that Pierre Gasly was like really great friends. Yeah, yeah. So he honors him every year and then. Sorry, yeah, he's French, so it makes sense. But yeah, so I. His friend, you know, and they had that fatality in Formula 2 back in 2019. So there's a lot of I think sensitivity around this track. It's very dangerous in some of the speeds and elevation changes. So FIA was area on the side of caution, which is, you know, hey, it's the number one thing you can do to make sure you protect, protect the drivers. So I think there is some to that. But at the same time, it always rains in Belgium. Like this is part of the track and there's always generally weather when it comes to this race. So moving the start time and, and everything. Does it definitely change the complexion of the race because, you know, does the start turn out differently if Lando's ahead and he doesn't have, you know, the giant, you know, he's able to put water back at Piastri, he's got a tail farther and he never gets to jump. There were some things that favor Lando too, because they did. They didn't do the standstill start. They did a rolling start and they were a couple laps into the race. So I think they should have raced. I think the race was. I think the rain was not great. But I think there was a way to. I think there was a way to still do the race as it was. And at the same time like you kind of took it out of Verstappen, Lewis, maybe Fernandez, the veteran guys, because Lewis was churning. He was like, he started, you know, end of the pack and he was up, you know, early going through the field. Then he was the smartest one handling the tires as he was the first one to go to the medium tire. And he was a lap ahead of everyone and gained like I don't know, like five, six positions to get up to seventh because he knew how to read the conditions and drive through that weather. So I. I think rain a lot. [00:39:15] Speaker B: Of times last year. [00:39:16] Speaker A: Right? [00:39:17] Speaker C: He won last year, but it was kind of controversial because he technically finished second. And they stripped George Russell of the win last year because the car was underweight. [00:39:26] Speaker B: God's okay. Jesus. [00:39:29] Speaker C: So. [00:39:29] Speaker B: Okay. [00:39:30] Speaker C: But yeah, I think that's strict, dude. So strict, man. Because the cheaters. These guys are cheaters. [00:39:38] Speaker B: Like, ouch. [00:39:40] Speaker C: You know, you're talking like, point something of a sec, you know, of a second difference. Weight matters. [00:39:47] Speaker B: Whoever runs F1, they should run FIFA soccer as well. And after they're done with FIFA Soccer. [00:39:53] Speaker C: Well, I don't know. You'll get some questionable people that this is there the same correct people that run FIFA, that run the fia, who is the governing body of Formula One. [00:40:02] Speaker B: So you can't win. [00:40:04] Speaker C: You can't win them all. But, I mean, there. There's a level of precision. It's for a reason. Because if you're able to have a car that's in lighter weight, I mean, fuel is talked about in this. When they're running this because these guys on run tank of fuel, the cars are going faster towards the end of the race because there's left fuel because. And that's a weight thing. So there's. There's different ways to, you know, you could cheat in the thing. And I know for us, as a layman, you're not going to know what, you know, a couple pounds does to you, but it'll make a difference. [00:40:30] Speaker B: When I used to street race, man, you never race on a full tank. You always have a quarter tank. It's enough to do the race. Then if the cops come, you get the hell out of there. Go back to the gas station. This is an Ontario that I. I do remember that part. Yeah. [00:40:42] Speaker C: Statue of limitations up on that right now. Just. Just making sure. We're checking on that. [00:40:46] Speaker A: Is it. [00:40:46] Speaker C: So. I don't know. Just making sure. [00:40:48] Speaker A: Should be. [00:40:49] Speaker B: I got some crazy stories about that stuff. [00:40:52] Speaker C: I don't think. [00:40:52] Speaker A: Why. Why even start with the formation lap? I mean, if you're gonna delay the race, why'd they even start, do the formation and then go everybody into the pit? They should have just. [00:41:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:00] Speaker B: It makes no sense why I. [00:41:01] Speaker C: There's a lot of questions that. That when they. When the officials start these races. Because, yeah, they did the formation seemed. [00:41:07] Speaker A: Like they wanted to. And then the feedback from the drivers was. There was. The visibility was bad. And then that's when the stewards basically said, ah, let's everybody going to the pit run a delay. That's kind of. I think they wanted to start the race. And then they kind of got, you know, 50% feedback from the drivers towards the back. Ah, you know, I'm getting too much water. There's no visibility. I don't know. And then that's when they delayed the race. [00:41:30] Speaker B: It does rain a lot in Belgium. Every time I've been there, Even when I toured as musician and when I was there before the baby was born, it rained a lot. [00:41:40] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, you get that with. I mean, England's like that too. I mean, I went to. When I went last year to the British Grand Prix, and even this year it was. There was. There was rain like all weekend throughout there. I mean, that time of the year. [00:41:51] Speaker B: So I'm kind of craving a Struble waffle now. [00:41:54] Speaker C: Okay, well, I mean, after the pod. [00:41:56] Speaker B: Midnight snack now I gotta cut some pounds, dude. I gotta look good for Vegas and the dad bod's taking over. I'm not liking it. I'm not shedding the weight the way I used to. I don't know what the hell's up. [00:42:07] Speaker C: It's called getting old room. [00:42:08] Speaker A: That's exactly. [00:42:13] Speaker B: Just happened this year. I can't shut off the pounds. It's. [00:42:18] Speaker C: But overall, race wise, I don't think it was a very exciting race. The pass of Piastri over Norris was basically the story of the. Of the race. And that was kind of it for Piastri to win the race. [00:42:33] Speaker B: There was like some drama with Antonelli and who was behind him. Was that Lewis or was that somebody else? It was just tight. It was just tight. Kind of exciting. I wish they showed more of like the. [00:42:44] Speaker A: Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, Lewis. Lewis came from 18th to 7th, but yeah, I think it was 10, 11, and 12 was kind of going back and forth. [00:42:50] Speaker C: Right. [00:42:50] Speaker B: That's pretty awesome. [00:42:51] Speaker A: 1. You know, that was gonna be an interesting finish. I. I can't remember. [00:42:55] Speaker B: Someone took over somebody. I was like, oh, that's kind of nice. [00:42:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Then they get Drs and go right by him. [00:43:00] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll be honest, they're pissing me off because for the last couple laps, like, we're. We're tracking Lando. We're like probably six, six or seven laps ago, we're tracking Lando. He's down like five, six seconds. Can he like, make up almost like a second a lap at this point? He's got the hard tires. Piastri's Nursing the mediums. Like, I think we're gonna have a competitive lap. And the F1 broadcast has got freaking like gastly. Bearman and Hulkenberg going over like 10th, 11th, 12th, and then they won't get off the frame. And I'm just like, okay, can we go cut back to the race lead at this point? Like, we're talking about Bearman getting 11th for like the sixth. Crofty, who does the play by play, who I love. But there was some weird stat where this is like the fourth time in a row Bearman could potentially finish 11th. It's never happened in like the his. I'm like, you don't even get points in 11th. And you got here. There is a potential fight for the lead. Can we watch Lando try to turn these laps? And they were not going to it. [00:43:52] Speaker A: It's funny because he basically, they were showing those three guys and then all of a sudden like Lando went from five to eight seconds and they're like, oh, wait, like maybe we could show you what happened. Like, did we know what happened? Oh, oh, wait, wait, wait. Oh, there his brakes caught up in his tire, you know. Oh, oh, yeah, I think he's done now. I think he's. I think he's not going to catch him now that he's eight seconds. [00:44:12] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, that's where I like, there's a couple. There's a couple guys they get throughout the year that just have no filter. Nico rosberg. So former F1 champion. He was Lewis Hamilton's teammate at Mercedes. He won the only other championship besides Lewis. [00:44:28] Speaker B: And kind of he presented the trophy, right? [00:44:30] Speaker C: He didn't present the trophy, but he was doing the interviews. [00:44:33] Speaker B: Okay. [00:44:34] Speaker C: And so this dude's got like no filter whatsoever. And so there was a great interview during the rain delay with Max Verstappen's dad. And so did you see this? [00:44:46] Speaker A: Right? I did see it. [00:44:47] Speaker B: I'm not sure I did see it. [00:44:49] Speaker C: So he's interviewing Verstappen's dad and he's asking him about, I don't know, xyz and. And Verstappen's bad. Like, no, I got nothing to say. And Rossberg's like, oh, you got you. Now you're done talking. Basically throwing shots. Because Verstappen's dad was such a loud, vocal person that got Christian Horner fired. I was like. But now he had nothing to say. And he's just like nonchalant, like, oh, you're quiet now. Oh, okay. [00:45:11] Speaker B: I like that. [00:45:13] Speaker C: National tv and like. And then, and then he was doing a whole riff about, like, him and Lewis Hamilton. Like, they were friends back in the day, but then they turned into teammates. They were pretty much rivals. They're kind of doing this for this Piastri Norris thing now. And the relationship, you know, I guess, soured. And they were asking him, like, oh, you guys are friends, like, now, right? [00:45:33] Speaker A: Like. [00:45:34] Speaker C: Like, yeah, like, I. I guess, like, we. We live near each other. And like, it was just like, yeah, they're not friends at all. Like, this is not patched up at all. Like, he's just. He's just. Just unfiltered. But he would have been in the booth saying, like, yeah, Norris has got no chance to catch him. But, like, they're trying to build this anticipation. Like, we all know there's no chance, so we're just trying to build the trauma. But, yeah, Rossberg gets on. It was getting unhinged there during. Throughout the broadcast. [00:45:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, the rain delay. They had some interesting interviews. Yeah, I mean, that. The Verstappen one was interesting because a lot of times they would ask a question like, hey, I can't hear you. They react like they couldn't hear the question. [00:46:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:11] Speaker A: And they can't be like. Like, they're, like, standing right next to him like, I'm talking to you. Like, I didn't catch that. Say that again now. I can't hear you. And he just kept repeating the question, so it was pretty funny. [00:46:21] Speaker C: Yeah, he's. There's. There's another guy. Is Jacques Villeneuve, former F1 champion, too. He wasn't at this race, but he's been other ones too, where he's just like, he's no. Selling everything. Nah, he's got no chance to catch him. They're trying to build drama. The broadcast, like, nah, no, he won't get him. He doesn't have it. He's not good. He's not good. But, yeah, overall, again, Rome, I would say kind of a boring race. I do like this track. A lot of the drivers like the track. I think it would have been some bet some more. It would have been. It would have been some more interesting racing. If they would have started racing early on, I think you would have seen some of the cream rise to the top with some of these drivers. Probably would have been some accidents. Not everyone would have finished the race. They're gonna do safety. It's hard to fault the FIA for that. But I think when you even get drivers saying, like, hey, if we're not. If, you know, if we're not Going to race in the rain. We might as well just like just call a weather delay on this one. There's some strict, there's some strict rules with. [00:47:12] Speaker A: Yeah, what's the, what's the. They start a race, they basically have a three hour window to get it done. And then if it doesn't, does it, does the race get canceled or delayed to another date? How's that work? I didn't look into it. [00:47:23] Speaker C: I think, I think it just ends. [00:47:25] Speaker A: Okay. [00:47:25] Speaker C: Because there's been, there's been times they just haven't done the Grand Prix. [00:47:28] Speaker A: Yeah, they have like it's something that you have a two hour. They have to. Two hours to finish in a three hour window. Whatever it is, once the race starts, whatever that rule is they were talking about. [00:47:36] Speaker C: Yeah, that's weird. So. So the race could have just ended after like five laps and if they don't get it in. But yeah, that was kind of weird too. We're like, you know, NASCAR IndyCar man. Okay, we'll come and race the next day. [00:47:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:49] Speaker C: For the ones like, nope, we're out of the next country. [00:47:52] Speaker A: Yeah. And then like you said, Jason, I think they had, for every quarter of the race they had points too. So if you only finished 11 or laps, you got whatever. Like the winner got eight points instead of the traditional. And then if you're going 22, then they got 12 and then if it went 33, you know, it went so far and so forth. But yeah, it was, it was kind of weird. Like I wasn't sure like if it gets delayed and comes back another like later date, like when there's like a few weeks off or they come back there or how it was. But yeah, it just sounded like they basically said it, you know, let's move on, let's get out of here. Yeah, I mean I think the big news too is Verstappen's coming back to Red Bull. [00:48:31] Speaker C: Yeah, basically they all confirmed that and he's coming back to Red Bull. So I probably would expect at some point we're gonna hear the announcement of George Russell resigning. [00:48:38] Speaker A: I heard that contract will be, will be done and announced this weekend. [00:48:42] Speaker C: The interesting thing though is because I think George was very much against like a one in one deal which basically, you know, a one next year guarantee, but more of an option for year two because if Verstappen's only under contract just for next year. Are you. If as Toto Wolf trying to not sign George to the long term deal. But you know, George obviously doesn't want just A one year deal. So I'll be interested in the terms of what that kind of deal looks like, what Toto Wolff gives himself outs and what that's structured. If George does resign, which I imagine he will at this point, if, if Verstappen's not out there, why would you go? Anything else? Because I think George Russell's done an excellent job this year. Like he's, you know, yeah, fourth in the points is probably his best year so far. He's been really consistent. [00:49:23] Speaker B: He hasn't done great in the last, what, four or five races since he last got podium, at least not the way he was doing in the first 10 or so. [00:49:31] Speaker A: He's been winning with fifth, sixth place. I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, Russell's solid, man. I mean, he's going to finish fourth, likely behind in the, you know, driver's championship. [00:49:40] Speaker C: So I think the real questions obviously has come with, with Kimi Antonelli because he has not done well the past couple races. [00:49:48] Speaker A: Confidence, it's a confidence thing. [00:49:50] Speaker C: I think there's a lot of people quite the questioning. This is why you don't put an 18 year old, you know, in this car this early. You know, there's a lot, you know, he should be maybe in a lower team or the expectations should be lower. You're in Mercedes, you're one of the top four teams on the grid. Like, this car should be doing better than it is. I mean, with that said, he's seventh in the points right now, so he's exactly where you should be. I think Mercedes was taking a calculated risk that, hey, this car wasn't good enough to beat McLaren this year. No sense in doing anything else. We can get Kimi some live race experience for when he does have the car. And you think about how long Verstappen, I mean, people talk about Verstappen. You know, he won, I think he won his first race or something like that and was competitive. But he was in Formula One for several years before he had that 20, 21 duel with, with Hamilton, got his first title. So it wasn't just like, hey, Verstappen won in his first, you know, his first couple years in the grid. Like it took him a while at Red Bull and I think it'll give Kimi some chance here, but it'll be more interesting next year as we continue to get the rumors out there that the Mercedes car is supposed to be the best engine next year. And so if Mercedes has a car to compete and Kimi's not keeping his end of the Bargain. I think that's where the liability is at. But I think a lot of, A lot of questions around the Mercedes garage right now with Kimi's performance. [00:51:04] Speaker B: When's the next race? [00:51:05] Speaker A: This weekend. [00:51:06] Speaker C: This weekend. [00:51:08] Speaker A: Another. Another 6:00am banger. [00:51:11] Speaker C: Yeah, we are in. We are in Hungary at the, at the. The Hungarian ring. And so this will be the last. [00:51:18] Speaker B: I have not. [00:51:18] Speaker C: This will be the last napping Hungary. Well, this will be the last one before the summer break. So we'll basically have a month off of Formula one, you know, so we can talk a little bit of racing. More preseason football, college football is what assuming we're getting into. But yeah, the championship. We got a 16 point lead. Piastri over Norris right now. I guess you can say Piastri stopped the momentum of Lando, where he been really gaining on the past couple weeks. But I think this is coming down to the last, you know, last race of the year. Last two races of the year. How close is it going to be? And then really a duel at the end. I think Lando has done well in qualifying recently. Piastri obviously had the better race position in these first laps to make that term. But there were some goofy things with Lando's car too, that really cost him the race because he lost his electrical there on the first lap, which is basically why Piastri got by him so quickly because he had the additional kind of horsepower with the electrical boost to get by Lando because his battery wasn't charging. So, you know, that was kind of a kind of unfortunate piece for him. And, and McLaren screwed him on not double stacking at the same time too. [00:52:26] Speaker B: So Lando always has like these weird things happening with every race. It's a, it's a bizarre. It's a bar. Bizarre reoccurrence here. [00:52:36] Speaker A: Yeah, he has a lot of, A lot of little minor errors. Yeah. That have you shaking your head. Right. It's like kind of one of those guys that you would think these make adjustments and wouldn't happen. It seems like he overcorrects and even gets worse the next time out. [00:52:51] Speaker B: It's kind of crazy. [00:52:52] Speaker A: And like Piastri's just kind of like that stone cold just keeps going. And unless, you know, he does some, you know, 100 psi brake stop on the safety car, it looks like he's going to win a lot of these races. [00:53:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I mean, Piastri, for a guy who is very like mellow, like no highs, no lows and stuff. I mean, the past couple weeks prior to this Win. He. He started to show some emotion in the anger. Yeah, yeah. A little. Little something extra from him recently. [00:53:20] Speaker A: I think he needed this win. [00:53:22] Speaker C: I think he did, too, because land, like you said, the momentum factor, people don't want to think in it, but if, if, if he didn't get that here and then Lando has a good succession in Hungary, and you're going into the summer break and Lando's really taking these last four or five races. You know, who knows what's going to happen? But I, again, I think it's coming down to the final race of the year in Abu Dhabi. Probably come down to the qualifying in that race. Be a duel between the two. Hopefully we get kind of a classic, you know, showdown between these two guys. And I know, you know, Rome's a big Lando guy. I think there's a lot of. There's. I think McLaren themselves is conflicted big. I think. I think there's no hiding. I think Zach Brown, McLaren CEO is a big Lando guy that, you know, that's the guy he's basically nurtured coming up. And Piastri's this guy he signed from the outside that he thought he'd be great, but didn't think he'd be rivaling what is really Lando's kind of season because Lando was just waiting for the car. Now he's got the car, but he's got another guy who's got the car too and is just as good, if not better. [00:54:14] Speaker B: Looking forward to the race this week. And then we'll have Andrew for. We'll do an F1 special, one hour special, just F1 racing for the second half. So I'm looking forward to that. [00:54:28] Speaker C: All right. [00:54:29] Speaker B: Looking forward to that. I did watch some other racing. No, you know what? I did send you Jason. That motorcycle clip blew my mind. How crazy motorcycle racing is. I was like, so. [00:54:40] Speaker C: Motorcycle racing is insane. How close those guys knees are to the ground or on the ground as they're rounding a corner. And that bike does not flip over to its side like, you know, love racing, but. But that's crazy stuff. [00:54:54] Speaker B: I was at a Dave and Buster, I think, like two years ago with like the. With my drinking group. And I was racing, I was kicking out. [00:54:59] Speaker A: Make sure I fall off that thing. [00:55:01] Speaker B: Well, I was a little drunk and. [00:55:02] Speaker A: I did fall off the bike. There you go. There you go. [00:55:04] Speaker B: The bike at a Dave and Buster. [00:55:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:06] Speaker B: I'm like, God, that's not even a real. [00:55:08] Speaker A: You're holding on one arm and you're. [00:55:09] Speaker B: Just like, I. I totally ain't. I'm just like, this is no joke. This is a stupid video game. [00:55:17] Speaker A: That corner a little too low, man. Yeah. [00:55:21] Speaker B: All right, let's change gears first. We'll circle back NBA off season. Lakers quietly making little moves to bolster up that. That lineup. And I'm. I'm kind of digging it. [00:55:38] Speaker A: Did the Lakers throw out the Luca news to kind of get off the LeBron noise about, you know, what's going on there? [00:55:45] Speaker B: See, it's a little too. So I'm happy Luca's getting some flowers, but, like, this guy's already a good basketball player, right? So it's not like he just dropped some pounds. Like, he doesn't look that much different to me, honestly. He just looks like he's a little thinner and leaner, maybe £40. [00:56:03] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a. That's a lot of weight. [00:56:04] Speaker B: Where, though, like, you know, you could. [00:56:07] Speaker C: You could see it. [00:56:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:09] Speaker C: 40 pounds. Yeah, dude. I mean, around the stomach area and the chest and where things are at. Like, he looked. He looked lean. I mean, it. All I saw was the COVID of the magazine. Right. So it's like, you know, maybe those little photoshop and stuff. [00:56:22] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:56:22] Speaker C: He's definitely leaner. Yeah. [00:56:24] Speaker B: Like, it's not like he's bulked up. Like, I really, like. Like this one summer when. When. When Kobe just bulked up like 30 pounds. [00:56:31] Speaker A: Well, Kobe was already in great shape, so he's got to spend. He's got to spend this summer shedding the weight, and then, you know, he can start and then you bulk up again up the next one. Yeah. [00:56:40] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's awesome. I'm not sure how that makes him a better player, if it's better conditioning, if he's going to play better defense, but, you know, if that gets the Mavericks a little jealous, gets the tumble and fall with, like, their really cool lineup, I'm all for it. And then LeBron started posting up highlights of him working out in the gym and dunking and. And get. Getting geared up for year two, you know, Looks like he's recovered nicely from that MCL injury. He was posting stuff before he was on. On. On boat trips with. With Nikola Jokic's agent and friends. So, yeah, we'll see what happens. [00:57:22] Speaker A: I mean, I think we've talked about. This is LeBron's last year of the Lakers and we've the destinations now we're Dallas and now maybe. Maybe Denver. Right. Teaming up with how many Joker. Towards the end, there's gonna be, I. [00:57:37] Speaker B: You know, like, Pairing up with Joker's pretty interesting. There's some rumors that he's just meeting with Joker's agent because he's really well connected with the European basketball league and the NBA is possibly contemplating buying the European basketball league instead of, like, competing. [00:57:52] Speaker A: There was talks, I read maybe a month ago that LeBron was going to start his own league or buy his own league again. [00:57:59] Speaker B: No, no. They want to compete against the NBA. [00:58:02] Speaker A: Yes, yes. Gonna be the front runner for it, by the way. [00:58:06] Speaker B: LeBron. I don't know if you guys caught this clip, though, recently. Him and KD are joking how they wish they can just put a picture of him of themselves holding a 101 point scored in a game and just posting it online and like, and like, letting their kids believe it. Like, they, they don't believe Wilt scored 100 points in a game. They're, they're calling a lot of basketball history full of no video evidence, right? Not that game, no. [00:58:32] Speaker A: Well, how many witnesses were still alive from that game? [00:58:35] Speaker B: There's a lot. This. They have a lot of footage. [00:58:38] Speaker A: That's where you really got to go. [00:58:40] Speaker B: They have a lot of footage. [00:58:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:42] Speaker B: I've never actually dug into it, but, yeah, they're kind of talking. Oh, I just. LeBron just rubs you the wrong way. [00:58:49] Speaker A: I mean, I, I, I believe probably true, because, I mean, it's just like some of these games, like, in. [00:58:57] Speaker C: Like. [00:58:58] Speaker A: Basketball, high school, like, division or two, division three, where the final score is like 150 to like eight. And you guys crazy it on the scoreboard. You're like, oh, like, this happened and dropped like 92 points in like, a Division 3 basketball game. So, like, Celtics, you know, 15 threes or some. [00:59:13] Speaker B: Like, I, I've seen old basketball footage, but not as much as recently. Celtic City, like, they got, like, some good footage of the Boston Celtics when they first started. I'm like, dude, these white boys can play pretty good. Like, it's some good footage. So now I'm thinking, like, I'm trying to reconstruct how good players were back in the day. And, you know, LeBron, he just wants to put himself in a pedestal. I don't know. I think there'll be a small percentage of Laker fans that are bummed when he moves on, but, like, Laker majority would probably be pretty give a. Yeah, I don't give a. I didn't want him coming here. Thank you for the chip. See your ass on the way out and take your son with you, too. Although I, I did like the way Bronnie played in summer league. He's, he's actually pretty decent. [01:00:01] Speaker C: I'm sure he will probably go with him wherever he goes. [01:00:04] Speaker B: I don't know. [01:00:04] Speaker C: You think, you think Cleveland's the destination? Seems like there could be, there could be something there. If he's a free agent next year, what do they have the pieces? Because he, he's not going to get the big deal now. [01:00:19] Speaker A: I think he wants to go play with friends that can win. [01:00:22] Speaker B: He had a chance before he signed this extension. He was entertaining like Cleveland and like, well, like the rumors are same thing with Dallas, with the Mavericks. But he didn't want to take a mid level exception. [01:00:36] Speaker C: Yeah, but when we talked about that, I think there's some, there is, there's some union stuff involved with that because declining and going where now after this year, like the contract's done and so. [01:00:51] Speaker B: Going last time it's been a week. [01:00:53] Speaker C: And so going to sign, going, no, you're good. And I think going to sign somewhere else. I don't know. For Cleveland, depending where they're at. I, I, I just see and this is just me knowing that the competition in the west is insane. Does he go back to the east where it's wide open and like just adding him to one of these teams that's kind of like really on the, on the cusp and who knows what the east looks like a year from now. You know, everyone's gearing up that everyone's competitive because you got so many stars out in the 20, 25, 20, 26 season. But if he's gonna play 26, 27, you know, is it wide open still enough in the east where whatever deal that he can take is going to be different than kind of this Max deal that he has with the Lakers right now? I think it'd be a different conversation. [01:01:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I think, I think, one thing I think is pretty safe to say is this is his last year of the Lakers. Unless like the Lakers win a title and like maybe he wants to run it back or something. But outside of that, I think he goes, you know, is it Cleveland? Rome, I think we talked about, you mentioned Miami. [01:01:55] Speaker B: Miami. [01:01:56] Speaker A: I don't see that happening. Dallas has been the hot rumor because you've got Kyrie d' Angelo ad you've also got a potential young star in Cooper. Flag that. You know, I don't know. I mean that's just what was mentioned. And then you, you're saying, you know, how would you like to match up with the Joker? I mean, say what you want. The Joker Would make life a lot more easier on LeBron. Offensively. He could be, you know, wouldn't have to run the point they got Murray, other guys kind of more of a back door offense. Run every like they could run an old school Phil Jackson, Ted Winter's type triangle through jokic and have LeBron. So they could have that set up there. And so yeah, there's, there's some possibilities. I mean, when you go to the New York Knicks, I mean, winning a title there was great. Would be something Pitt him. Historically, I don't think he'd ever can pass Jordan, but I think that would secure him number two if he went to New York and won a title there with the Knicks, something they haven't done in a long time. [01:02:55] Speaker C: If he secures another title, I mean, he'll never get the six titles for like Jordan comparison. But him winning championships with four different franchises would be a pretty crazy fee that, that he'd be able to pull off there. So I think he's definitely a prioritize the winning and the contract might be a little bit different, I think. Joker. You mentioned Joker though. I don't want to get off too much off topic, but that is. This is the random hour podcast right now. [01:03:19] Speaker A: Horse racing. [01:03:20] Speaker C: The horse racing, man, this. Did you see this? [01:03:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:03:24] Speaker C: This guy is just in pure, just euphoria, bliss, tears and joy in his life. [01:03:33] Speaker B: Tears, throwing champagne all over the place. [01:03:35] Speaker C: Yeah. The man wins the NBA championship. He just clocked out afterwards. He just. It was work. We're doing, like. Yeah, like this is this passion in his life, man. It was just, it's. It's just hilarious to me. [01:03:46] Speaker B: It's like basketball is a job for him. [01:03:48] Speaker C: It's just like, it's. I don't, I don't care. Like, y', all, y', all, this is your dream to play in the NBA. Like, it's just a job. I make money and I want to get back to my horses. [01:03:56] Speaker B: It's crazy, dude. I was like laughing. The comments on, on, on all the socials, man, they're really good. Like, man. [01:04:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:06] Speaker C: That. It's funny when you talk about pro athletes because, like, I think there's those of us, you know, like, us, like, we just love sports and if, if we were able to have this ability and get in there, like given what our day jobs are, yeah, this, this be a dream like job to have. But like most of these guys, like, hey, they, they have the skill and it's a job to them and they just. That's the difference. A Lot of time with some of these greats and greatnesses. I mean, say what you will about LeBron, I think he does have a love for the game because of what he does from a conditioning standpoint and everything does for his longevity that's there. I mean, there's some people that probably had the same type of talent there could have been at a certain portion, but they just, they don't want it as bad. Like they just, they wanted the big check maybe one or two times and we'll call it a career and that's it. And I'll be never heard from again. But. And do do other things. But. But it's, it is, it is interesting. And you go, but. I mean, Joker's level of accents is crazy considering, like, he just doesn't. He may not care as much as we. As. As we want him to. [01:05:02] Speaker A: Well, wasn't there talk about retirement or. He brought it up or something. [01:05:06] Speaker B: He brought up last year, but I, I think he'll still play like another four or five years. [01:05:10] Speaker A: He's only, what is he, 30, 29? 30, 31. How old is Joker, guys? [01:05:15] Speaker B: His size usually started going down after 31. [01:05:19] Speaker A: Well, he's not athletic to begin with in a sense that he doesn't jump out of the gym. And I know he's not signing. He's eligible for an extension now, but he's going to wait till next year. [01:05:32] Speaker B: Before he's 30 years old. [01:05:33] Speaker A: Yeah, so I think he signs an extension next year. He's eligible now, but I think he's going to wait till next year end of season. And then I guess you give him a four or five year max and then basically you run him into the, into the ground at 35, 36, and then. [01:05:47] Speaker B: Well, he gets a lot of flack for his weight too. They were talking on him, I think it was like two years ago. [01:05:52] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I think he even brought that up when they got beat. I think before. I think it was about maybe four or five years ago, like right before the bubble season or that bubble year, he. He brought up his weight and went to Michael Malone and those guys and said, I need to be better and lose weight. But I mean, if you look at. I mean, if you look at the size and the shoulders on that dude, I mean, he's, he's big. I mean, dude, there's just guys that sometimes you look at them, you know, and they just, they're just wide big. [01:06:21] Speaker B: You're all talking on, on Luke because now he's on the Lakers. But yeah, you're defending Joker. [01:06:26] Speaker A: Joker's joke. Joker's not lazy like Luca. Man out. [01:06:31] Speaker B: You see how many beers this guy's pounding on his vacations. [01:06:33] Speaker A: Yeah, but he shows up. He shows up ready to playing in game shape. Rings, bro does have one because he. [01:06:40] Speaker B: Got one real quick. I did catch after the F1 race on Sunday, there was another channel. I can't remember what it was, but they were doing like the European championships for like, E. F1 formula E. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, what the is this door track? And like, it was go. It was going fast, but like, weird sounds. [01:07:02] Speaker C: Yeah. Formula E. All. It's all. All electric cars. So wild. Yeah. [01:07:09] Speaker B: Just the roaring engine, you know, Like, I don't care if. If an electric car can go faster than a. Than a. Than a standard car. Like, the engine, the power, everything. I don't know, just something about it. [01:07:20] Speaker C: It's the criticism of actually just the modern F1 car because it doesn't have, like, you know, the historic, like, V8, V12. [01:07:29] Speaker A: Aren't they going back to that in 2028 or 2030 or something? There's talks of 18. [01:07:34] Speaker C: They talked about it, but it's still not. Yeah, it's not. It's not fully baked out. They. There. There was conversations from the FAA president, potentially they'd be going to. But they already. They're already deep in the engine regulations now, like, to build the 2026 engine. So I don't. I don't think you see going through that. But, you know, Formula one has done a lot with like, you know, green initiatives because of just literally the cars themselves and the traveling circuit circus that Formula one is and the carbon footprint that it has. And so this is kind of their small distribution. [01:08:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I do too. I mean, but at the same time, I'm like, yeah, when I went to the Formula one race, like, people asked me, like, you gonna wear, like, earplugs? I'm like, no, I'm. I'm good. You know, and like. But there's literally like. Yeah, the noise isn't what it used to be. Like, I remember as a kid when I went to Indy, cars, like, they were roaring. Just a roaring loud noise that you get out of that that just isn't there anymore. But yeah, the. The Formula E is even worse, though, because it is just. It's just a whiny little kind of thing going across. [01:08:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:34] Speaker B: All right, last topics. Let's do like a five minute, like, quick little bullet session here. Jason, The Chicago Bears, because why not? Let's like, let's wear out the Bears before the season starts. What you got? [01:08:47] Speaker C: There's zero chance you're wearing out the Bears room. We'll be talking about the Bears every single week. You might say, hey, Jason, we're gonna do the Bears hour like on a different feed at a certain point. I'm gonna talk about the Bears so much this year. [01:08:58] Speaker A: This guy's like Mike North 2.0 over here, man. [01:09:00] Speaker B: Not with me, bro. That one. [01:09:05] Speaker C: Your parents gonna host that one. Oh, you just talked through. [01:09:08] Speaker A: I could talk NMC north for an hour. [01:09:11] Speaker C: I mean, we're just talking the best division in football where, you know, the eventual super bowl champion's gonna come from. [01:09:15] Speaker A: Didn't we call that the best division last year, you guys? [01:09:17] Speaker C: We did. [01:09:18] Speaker B: It was. All right. All right, go ahead. [01:09:22] Speaker A: Among the many things we got right last year. [01:09:24] Speaker B: But what's the, what's the job with the Bears right now? [01:09:28] Speaker C: A lot of drama that Caleb Williams has not looked great in the practices early on here in Bears training camp. Office hasn't looked sharp. Ben Johnson though, you know, he has been very firm, so very disciplined. Hard hitting practices and reports coming out of Bears camp. Also, I think it was Albert Breer, uh, was on, uh, I don't know, it was Rich Eisen or somebody today just talking through like basically Ben Johnson is putting everything at Caleb Williams and throwing everything in the kitchen sink at him to get as much, you know, as many reps as possible, but for him to see as many things from defenses as much stuff they can do from an offense from an install perspective. So basically throwing everything in the kitchen sink right now early in spring training or in summer camp and then parring things down as we get closer to the season and what's going to be effective and what works. Because I mean Ben Johnson even talked about like part of the reason he took this job was because he knows Caleb Williams talent but even admitted like there was some things that he could see from the other sideline when he was in Detroit. Like why is he looking there? Where's this pre snap going? And so there's some things that are coaching. I was, you know, coaching is going to take time. I was talking with my friends about this. I'm like, I don't want Caleb Williams going like 20 for 20 in practice with 10 touchdowns because that means we're not, you know, we're not learning anything. He's not getting better. We're not experimenting with different stuff to try to make sure this offense can grow and develop. It's Going to take some time. I'm not expecting this offense to be like, you know, the number one offense in the league, like, right away, but from a franchise which historically, you know, scores like 10 points a game and we'd be lucky to score 20 points, I think they'll put the right pieces in place, you know, to be a. Put a really good offense in the field. That will be developing into eventually great offense. But I think for now there's going to be some growing campaigns with Kayla because, hey, he's learning a brand new system and the coach is trying to maybe break some bad habits and start beginning the process of new ones. And the only way to do that is in practice. And when you have media and everybody watching these practices, you're only going to hear some bad stuff. Just like Aaron mentioned before the pod, Rome's quarterback, Aaron Rodgers throwing interception as first pass. [01:11:40] Speaker B: What if Caleb Williams is like Jake Plummer? You know, he looked good for one year at usc. He didn't look good the second year after winning the Heisman. And he has, like, glimpses of brilliance every once in a while. But really, maybe this is it. Maybe that this is gonna be him on some level. Like, that's always about potential. Maybe good enough to be, you know, win 10, 11 games, maybe one year, 13 or 14. [01:12:10] Speaker A: But, oh, I think that's what, you know, Jason was talking about Ben Johnson throwing a lot of stuff at him. [01:12:15] Speaker B: Right? [01:12:16] Speaker A: Like, you got to see what you have. I mean, obviously he's going to struggle. He's got a lot of bad habits. I've mentioned that going back to college. I mean, the Bears last year, like, fundamentally, they were. They were pretty bad on a lot of things. Defense, offense, special teams. So you got to break habits and you got to see what you got, right? [01:12:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:33] Speaker A: What we, we know he's got talent, Rome, like you said, we know he's got a special arm. He can make. He can throw the ball deep. We know he can run around, he can make guys miss. He can make runs. But can he be a consistent performer? Can he pick up reads? Can he pick up cues on defense, make the right reads right away? Because the game happens quick. I mean, basically between snap and throw, you got 2.1 to 2.5 seconds on average. That's, you know, quarterbacks, the. The elite quarterbacks in this league are getting rid of the ball between basically 2.2, 2.3. It goes quick. So can you make those reads? Can you read a defense? Can you manipulate a defense with your eyes, with motions, with pump Fakes, all that stuff that you got to do. [01:13:16] Speaker B: Like pay Manning was like the best of that. [01:13:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, but Peyton Manning wasn't, you know, as athletic and gifted as Caleb. But can Caleb kind of transition to that, that mental side where he can get focused and dialed in and get to where. I mean, Jason, I think we talked about off the air, we're talking about Jared Goff. I mean Jared Goff came in and couldn't even make a 10 yard pass basically his first year in training camp. You know, everybody was calling him a fraud, a dud and what were they doing? And then McVeigh gets there, gets him to a Super Bowl. Now he goes to Detroit. He's done great. So you want to see signs of improvement from Caleb. That's where I think you got to go. He's on a rookie contract. You got year two, three and four before you got to extend them year five. So we'll see how it goes. But I think Caleb, he's got all the tools to be a good quarterback. Will he be great? That verdict still out there, but we'll see what happens. [01:14:09] Speaker C: What the Bears have done right now, and I'll probably say this several times to you, Rome and you know, throughout, but we mentioned the off season portions. They've put everything around Caleb to make sure the excuses aren't there. That in historic things for the Bears, for Trubisky and Fields and everyone else is like they have the offensive line. The Bears offensive line is ranked one of the, you know, top third in the NFL. So they have a good enough onto the line in front of especially the interior 3, which is what they're investing the off season. They have two really good great receivers, potentially a third that they drafted this year. They have two good tight ends and so they've given everything we can to Caleb. That is going to grow with him in the offense and it's going to take some time. And the biggest thing with Ben Johnson, to me and I obviously I spent an entire football season, Rome just so annoyed with me, me talking about Ben Johnson. But the biggest thing that in his introductory press conference was really like he's not just bringing the Detroit system to Chicago. He's going to be building a system that does for Caleb to emphasize what he does well. And so you're not going to see everything he did in Detroit. You're probably see elements of it. But it's going to be an offense built around what Caleb does well. And so that'll be like how that evolves over time. I think We'll. We'll play out to the Bears successes, but, I mean, there's some other highlights. Like Roma Dunes has been very great in camp. A lot of people thinking like he's actually going to be the number one receiver in this offense going forward. So I think there's some positives, but that's been a ton of buzz just in my feed. You know, cowherd and, you know, everyone's been talking about this and where he's going to be, so I. It'll be interesting, but I still think they're going to give him time. He's got, like Aaron said, three years right now, two, three, and four to figure it out. They're not moving on from that opener. [01:15:57] Speaker A: They got that opener Monday night, man. Home opener. I wonder if Jason's going to that game. Home opener. [01:16:02] Speaker C: Jason's not going to that game. Jason's going to go to week three when they played Dallas in Chicago. [01:16:08] Speaker A: Wow. Cowboys, huh? [01:16:11] Speaker C: Tickets have not been bought yet, but I will be in Chicago, so I will be going. [01:16:16] Speaker B: Nice. Nice. I heard Aaron got some really cool tickets. [01:16:20] Speaker A: Where'd you hear that from? [01:16:22] Speaker B: Heard it from little birdie. [01:16:23] Speaker A: There you go. [01:16:24] Speaker B: Son of a. [01:16:25] Speaker C: We got Chargers tickets or. [01:16:27] Speaker B: Yeah, already got some really nice tickets for the opening season. [01:16:32] Speaker A: That's. [01:16:32] Speaker B: That's. [01:16:32] Speaker A: That's the. That's the rumor. [01:16:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:34] Speaker C: Back. Back in the day, Aaron and I were Charger season ticket holders together. So, you know, same. [01:16:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:44] Speaker B: Anything else? [01:16:44] Speaker A: We got the gambling. A little gambling probe there with the Guardians, the Cleveland. [01:16:49] Speaker C: The Cleveland Gamblers, you know. [01:16:52] Speaker B: All right, go ahead, break it down. Who's. Who's gonna break it down? [01:16:55] Speaker C: Well, Aaron's the betting expert on the show, so I think you should talk through this. [01:16:59] Speaker B: Break it down for us. [01:17:00] Speaker A: Yes. I mean, it's, It's. It's really strange, this thing. I mean, the gambling probe, you know, we talk about guys like throwing games, but now we got guys just throwing pitches, which you would be like, well, that's what pitchers do. They throw pitches. But not in a sense what you're thinking where guys are basically tipping maybe that they're going to be throwing balls and people are going to be betting on the first pitch, prop bet starting and inning. Then it's going to be a ball. Obviously, the activity for some of these pitches by a couple of these pitchers from the Guardians, Class A, you know, one of the more elite closers that was likely going to get traded, no longer, you know, available on the market. Since he suspended to August 31, it's been probed into a lot of data on his first pitches this year compared to last year and betting activity coming in. Games gone way up. I'm kind of, I would like to know what it's all being bet, what the amount is being bet. I'm assuming this is coming from like DraftKings fan tool and stuff because obviously sites I on that I participate in usually have for prop bets, you have limits of how much you can bet. My limits for prop bets could be anywhere from 25 bucks to 500. So I don't know what really the limit is on a first pitch. I don't know if FanDuel's got 10,000, 20, 30, whatever that number might be. But a lot of activity on first pitch being a ball. And I think Jason pointed out early when you guy froze 100 plus miles per hour and he's basically bouncing a ball up there on the first pitch, almost like we're playing like tennis. Like you're basically playing tennis and not baseball. It's going to bring some red flags and that looks like what we've got going on right now. I mean, two guys from the Guardians has been suspended. They're going to get looked into and it's just related to balls and strikes. We're going back to that argument again. [01:19:03] Speaker C: Yeah, it's funny given we grew up in a childhood just talking about Pete Rose and gambling and how bad it. [01:19:12] Speaker A: Was and he's gonna get reinstated to the hall of Fame, man. [01:19:15] Speaker C: Yeah, he bet on baseball and his entire generation. But the minute that every sports league needed money, they all of a sudden embraced gambling. And now every platform out there, you know, embraces DraftKings. FanDuel M Bed FGM circa sports, whatever it is. Like, you know, I, I was actually, you know, you guys are going to circa down there. I was, I was at the Blackhawks team store in Chicago. They have a circuit circus sports patch on the Blackhawks sweater out there in some of the stores. So all the pro sports league got into it because they want the money that's out there for gambling that's available. And it just. The times have evolved. But I think the good thing about if you're looking for it is that having these companies, you know, being able to have this data and be able to analyze this stuff and things are going to flag when we have irregularities where, hey, why are there so many bets on Cleveland Guardians first pitch balls? And then why is this cashing out so frequently? Like it's a pretty traceable thing that with all the technology we do have as far as where these betting platforms are and stuff. So I think this is where, like, from a competitor's perspective in the players in this league, you guys are idiots if you're trying to do this stuff because it's pretty traceable back to you. [01:20:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, like I said, I, I want to know what the amounts bet are. Like, are we talking, I mean, for it to be red flags? I mean, like I said, I don't know. I'm not going on there and posting, hey, I'm gonna put 20 bucks, Jason, that this next pitch is going to be a ball. I mean, there's obviously, there's guys that do it, but I don't know if there's like a guy out there that's doing like 20 grand, 30 grand. Like I said, I don't know what the limits are with fandom, what they allow. I mean, I could, I, I do live betting in football games. Like, I'll bet like 10 bucks. The next play is going to be a pass. Right? I'll do that. I, I have no clue. I'm not in on the headset, so I don't have that inside information. It's not like, you know, Baker Mayfield gives me the thumbs up, like, oh, like, let me get a thousand dollar bet in because they gave me the thumbs up, it's gonna be a pass. So I'd be curious to know how much is being bet and what the regularities are different compared to other pitchers or games. And then again, if I'm baseball, like, I started thinking, like, if it's really not that much money, if we're talking maybe 10,000, 5,000, like, why make it public? Just go to these guys behind the scenes, kind of like get their interpreters, maybe get, you know, FBI or whatever, whoever, and just say, hey, look, we've seen some suspicious activity. We don't know if you guys are really throwing pitches or not, but if you are, just, just knock it the off and let's get back to just regular doing. We're doing. But like I said, I don't know if somebody's like, hey, I'm going a hundred thousand dollars that class A throwing this first pitch ball and then it ends up 10ft being short of a strike. I mean, that's, that's, that's obviously going to raise concerns. And when you're making millions of dollars, like these guys are, it's, it's stupid. Like Jason said to be like, hey, I want to have my cousin in the Dominican make 50 grand because I'm gonna throw a ball on this first pitch. It just doesn't make any sense. No. [01:22:20] Speaker C: Well, it wasn't as random as last week's episode from. You guys didn't see Happy Gilmore yet. So I think we hold off on the Happy Gilmore review. A lot of online conversation about that, so we want to make sure you guys see that first before we discuss. [01:22:33] Speaker A: All right, I'll see you by the next time we. We come on next week. Are you. Are you worried? Are you worried, Jason, about Eugenial getting traded to the American League? [01:22:42] Speaker C: Dude, I'm sweating it so bad. [01:22:45] Speaker A: I could see it on its face. [01:22:46] Speaker C: I was online all day, like, analyzing fantasy trades, but really just like, I'm not committed to trade anyone because I really think my season is just up in smoke. The Suarez getting traded. [01:22:56] Speaker A: What happened? [01:22:56] Speaker C: And Soto went out today, too. [01:22:58] Speaker B: Wait, wait, what's happening? [01:22:59] Speaker A: There's a contusion on his foot. [01:23:02] Speaker C: So in the. You know, we're getting down the fantasy wormhole. That Rome you're not gonna like, but, you know, we're up against the MLB trade deadline. That's also the fantasy baseball trade then line. And in the NL only format that Aaron's got me playing in. If you got a guy in the NL in real life, he gets traded to the album. Okay, I got a massive hole in my lineup for a guy that hit 35 home runs already. That's not gonna have the next two months. And so what guys that. Huh? [01:23:32] Speaker B: Who's that? [01:23:33] Speaker C: Eugenio Suarez, third baseman of the Diamondbacks who are not in contention and smartly in real life would be trading him. But I am about to lose my biggest power bat and I got nothing to replace him, Romeo. And I'm shaky right now, and I don't really add another closer. And I. There's a lot of holes in my ship here up against the trade deadline. [01:23:55] Speaker A: Jason's. Jason's holding on right now. [01:23:57] Speaker B: So what happens? [01:23:58] Speaker A: He's got. He's got that flex seal on the boat, and it's just not sure if it's going to hold up getting back. Sure. [01:24:03] Speaker C: I. I don't think it's going to hold up. I think we're looking at a sports. [01:24:07] Speaker B: Finish if they end up in the American League. [01:24:09] Speaker C: So I lose them and I get to claim his contents of his contract in basically a free agent bidding type thing. So I get my money back to go bid on another player. So I gotta pray someone from the AL gets traded to the nl and then I got to put in a bid against some of these other delinquents in the fantasy league. [01:24:30] Speaker A: But now. But now the problem is another guy from that team. Naylor did get traded over to the American League. So the guy you'd be competing with has more fab money than you now because the contract of Naylor was much higher than Suarez. So I mean, Jason, right now things are looking bleak for him. I. I seen him at six spot. I. He might. He might be throwing in the towel. He might be coming down and hanging out with me here these next two months. Wow. @ the dive bar. Not the Beverly Hills Country Club. [01:24:59] Speaker C: Yeah. Dive bar. We're looking at another six place finish. Rome, I think as I finished sixth or seventh last year. Right outside the money. [01:25:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:25:06] Speaker B: It just wasn't complete. [01:25:09] Speaker C: I was second at that point. It's. It's tight. It's tight. But I. I'll tell you, like, I got a lot. You know, when you play NL only there's not a lot of depth from you lose a guy. I lost two guys. I'm losing starters. Dylan Cease got hit in the head too Move too. [01:25:26] Speaker A: Houston really wants him. [01:25:28] Speaker C: Yeah. So I could. [01:25:29] Speaker B: I could be screwed up league. This is. [01:25:33] Speaker C: I hate it. [01:25:34] Speaker B: Why would you do that again? [01:25:36] Speaker C: I don't want to. Aaron got me in this league and it stressed me out. [01:25:39] Speaker A: Okay. [01:25:39] Speaker C: My weekend in Chicago, Rome. I'm trying to enjoy a White Sox Cubs weekend. And I got dudes texting me about, you know, Nick, my guy, Nick Lodolo, and do I want some crappy closer. [01:25:49] Speaker A: For him who's probably gonna get traded too. [01:25:52] Speaker C: Who's probably gonna get traded too if somebody make the trade. So. This league sucks. We should be playing American only there's better players in the American League. But I digress. The stress doesn't end there. I'm. I'm not even talking about the league room that I'm in with Aaron. I'm in another league that I'm top five in as well. And I got a guy hit me up for wanting me two of my top pitchers offering crappy hitters in return. [01:26:13] Speaker B: And I'm so glad I never signed up for this league. Let me tell you. Like if you bring a smile on my face. Jason, listen. [01:26:21] Speaker C: It's just nothing but panic. But Aaron invited me. [01:26:24] Speaker A: Huh. [01:26:24] Speaker B: Nick's still kicked out? [01:26:26] Speaker A: Yeah. He's gone. What. [01:26:29] Speaker B: What's he up to? [01:26:30] Speaker A: You know, I. I saw him last week. First time since. In about a month. [01:26:34] Speaker B: But besides having too many things on his menu, what's he up to? [01:26:38] Speaker A: I think he might have added a few other things. I don't know. [01:26:41] Speaker B: I Bet I, I believe it. [01:26:43] Speaker A: I think. I just, I don't remember what's. What would he talk about? Talked about the Lakers. Yeah, we talked about the Lakers. He's. He's excited about what they can do. He's ready to move off LeBron. That's what he said. He's like his Lucas team now. [01:27:00] Speaker B: He's ready to move off because when I talked to him, he was such a. He was such a big LeBron guy. I'm just like, I don't got, I don't got the time. [01:27:07] Speaker A: He's happy with the Lakers moving off of him and making it Lucas team. So. [01:27:13] Speaker B: He thought it was the move. I'm not really sure. [01:27:15] Speaker A: Now he's happy with the signings they've made. So we'll see. I mean, he is, he is a Raiders guy. So I'll have to talk to him about, you know, the big massive cut. They made it to their D tackle. [01:27:29] Speaker B: Weird. Yeah, that's the weirdest story. [01:27:32] Speaker A: Weird stuff coming out there. [01:27:33] Speaker B: So he gets cut. 32 million gone because he kissed the teammate. But you think like, is this like a gay thing or not? And it's like, no, he was just playing around. But then IG has like 20 minutes of reels about this guy doing weird stuff. [01:27:47] Speaker A: Whatever, guys, he might end up with the Bears. He'd be good. He'd be pick up for the Bears. They could use a Monty. They need some D tackles. [01:27:55] Speaker C: I can't even think I'm stressing about fantasy baseball trade deadline right now here. What do I do? Am I a seller? I don't know. [01:28:01] Speaker B: I don't know. [01:28:02] Speaker A: I, I mean, I looked over your team, Jason. I, I have the answer for you. For a small fee, I can give you that answer. [01:28:08] Speaker B: But this guy's all about small fees. Jeez. [01:28:13] Speaker A: No, I mean, dude, I think, I think you're gonna be a seller. [01:28:19] Speaker B: This guy's a used car salesman. [01:28:21] Speaker C: I, I came to that realization probably yesterday that I think, I think I. [01:28:26] Speaker A: I came to it about two weeks ago when I started looking over your team. [01:28:29] Speaker B: I'm like, jason, double down. You gotta get into the money even if you go broke over it. [01:28:36] Speaker C: Well, the thing is, being a seller in this league, I'm not losing a lot in free agency room. I'm really only losing one pitcher. So. [01:28:44] Speaker A: Yeah, but, but, but to maybe a chance because I know you and Danny are back and forth. Danny did lose Akuna and he could be out for a while now as well. So you do have that going for you. [01:28:56] Speaker B: All right, that's Nice. [01:28:58] Speaker C: That's fair. [01:28:59] Speaker A: That's nice. [01:29:00] Speaker B: You guys can talk about this all the time. [01:29:03] Speaker A: I'm thinking about sitting Danny and trade and trying to get a cooning from him. He might be desperate enough to make the build. [01:29:08] Speaker C: He was your guy before deliver the titles. [01:29:11] Speaker A: Hey, we're Akuna goes titles follow with me so that you know I'm basically like Jordan Phil Jackson right there. That's. That's my guy. [01:29:21] Speaker B: We will be back on next Monday or Tuesday. Well F1 recap. We'll find out what happens with the trade deadline stuff. We'll see how Jason's doing. Stress out before the football season. This is good stuff, dude. This is really good. I love it. [01:29:35] Speaker C: I'm glad. I'm glad you're happy with my stress drum. [01:29:37] Speaker B: I'm enjoying a little bit. [01:29:39] Speaker C: I'm going to give you a preview. I'm going to give you a preview of my trade deadline. Rome. I won't make a trade because I'm just going to be like I'll just end up freezing at the end and it's like I won't make a trade. I'm just going to let it. I'm just going to sit there. [01:29:48] Speaker A: Here's the thing. All of Jason's guys I think are going to be in the American League anyways and swores and sees. So he may. He just. He might just be sitting there like 150 in fab and nobody to bid on. [01:29:57] Speaker B: Just go find an American League that join and just take that team with you. [01:30:01] Speaker C: Basically saying like can I just go play an American League team with all these guys? [01:30:05] Speaker B: Well, I might have some drama next week for you guys as the restaurant that I'm with feeling a little turbulence right now so. [01:30:14] Speaker A: Oh, I gotta get the back. Yeah. But I don't know if you want to talk about on the air but what I know they didn't respond to your messages over the weekend Rome but you finally went back into work. How that, how. How the looks and eyes go there? [01:30:31] Speaker B: Yeah, they tried pulling some. Some fast ones and you know a bunch of idiots. I'm not available Friday through Monday every other weekend and they still scheduling for those days and they want to place the blame on me when they know I'm not available. So possibly got some legal stuff going on. We'll see. But yeah, we'll have a fun pod next week. I think that's it. [01:30:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean we got about an hour, hour and a half. [01:31:02] Speaker B: Impressive. Fucking impressive. [01:31:06] Speaker A: All right. [01:31:06] Speaker B: Source from the sofa. At least one episode every single week. Monday or Tuesday. One record gets released the next day. We'll catch you later.