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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:04] Speaker B: What'S up everybody? This is sources from the sofa. We're recording Monday night, 8:40, just not too long after the Texans Steelers game. Texans dominating win 30 to 6 with some weird, weird plays sprinkled throughout those lots of turnovers, missed opportunities on the Steelers side. It was tight in the first half. We had Rodgers just looked like he was stuck in the pocket at times getting hit, couple force fumbles, no one jumping on the ball. We have a fumble recovery back for a touchdown. And then I think was it Rogers last throw becoming a pick six. So what a way to go out. The second half just looked really terrible. And then the first half, you know, both teams rightly so should have been disappointed with, you know, missed opportunities on both sides. So tough way to go out. Lots of conversations whether Tomlin's going to be back or not. Same thing. Is Rogers going to be back in the NFL or not? Texans defense, one of the highest penalized defenses in the league, but they get in your face and they kind of do die by it. And you know, I, I ain't mad at it, man. Both their safeties corners did really well, got in Metcalfs and the receivers and Gainwell's face got really aggressive. It was ugly to say the least. We'll go back and recap that. But quick reactions for this one before we reverse back all the way to the Saturday morning games. [00:01:53] Speaker C: Well, I know it hits you hard, Rome, because you're here at the top of the show saying times and everything. I don't know if you're trying to get an FM radio job or we're recording at 8, 40, 20 before top of the hour here on Sources from the Sofa. [00:02:06] Speaker B: It's funny you said that because that actually a radio station hit us up for some potential super bowl stuff. So I don't know. [00:02:12] Speaker C: Well, there you go. I mean just get getting ready, ready to hit the hard network out. Make sure we get this segment going before the top of the hour right now. But yeah, the defensive struggle of this game for you, we talked about it in the preview. How long you give you credit before the Texans really went on this run. The super bowl caliber defense and this game was every bit of a defensive struggle you expect from, you know, historical Steelers football. Didn't see that throughout the entire year with the Steelers defense, but definitely where the Texans were at. I didn't think it would get this out of hand at the end like it did for Rogers and the team, but just couldn't get anything going offensively against a really good, you know, Front four and front seven of the Texans. A tough way for Rogers to go out. You know, you hate that pick six chasing for it. Don't get the guy, you know, just kind of just the worst way probably. But I mean, hall of Fame career regardless. Seemed like this was it, hall of Fame career. [00:03:11] Speaker B: Like him not being able to move around the pocket. I thought he might just bring out like a little more juice from this little playoff run. But him falling over his own guys, the pocket collapse and having some weird throws. It just looked like he has nothing left of the tank. Like that was it. [00:03:26] Speaker C: Yeah, it wasn't. And the Texans defense makes the most athletic of quarterbacks throughout this season. Not look as good either. When you, you know, Will Anderson and Hunter up front and there's just, just a lot of different things they're working with. And the Steelers kind of barely getting in the playoffs to a degree. Kind of slump it down that stretch. Were able to, you know, we're talking that showdown with the Ravens and yeah, you don't know Tomlin's future. Like you said, Texans dangerous here, moving on. And we'll get, you know, a little more into the preview thing. I just don't think CJ Stroud, as much as he was applauded during that rookie season, didn't have the great sophomore season, pretty solid this year. [00:04:06] Speaker B: Today he was okay. [00:04:08] Speaker C: But, you know, but that was my biggest thing coming out of it went to. And, And I'll say the same thing when we get into the Chargers thing. Once you get beyond that first read, Stroud doesn't know where to go with the ball a lot of times. And I don't know what the progression or check down. Like that's just watching, watching these games. You know, this one particularly where he's at. And that really hurt Herbert yesterday as far as how long he was taking to get rid of the ball and. And Stratum seeing the same thing. So when you, you know, when. If you're going to ask them to start scoring some points and you get against a good, you know, front four, front seven, they start bringing blitzes. Is that time for Stroud going to be there in future, in future opponents? Because, you know, the Steelers defense, I mean Rome, you watch this team closer than any of us on here, you know, they weren't great. This is like one of the worst Steelers defenses in a long time throughout, throughout the season and what they were able to kind of contain. I know it's playoffs are going another, another level here, but I mean, you figure Stroud was Able to get a little more. [00:05:02] Speaker B: Yeah, they had moments. But altogether, in totality, 26th or 27th ranked defense in the NFL. That's not great. But they had, like, a lot of star players. They had a lot of injuries at times. They looked really good. I disagree, though. [00:05:18] Speaker A: They. [00:05:18] Speaker B: They. They did not. I don't think they stumbled into the playoffs. They won four the last five games, had some pretty big wins. This was not it, man. This was not it. Seven straight losses for Tomlin has not won since. What, it was like the 2015 AFC championship? Probably. I don't know. It's just. I was talking to some people yesterday. I was at my friend William Bonnie's house. Haven't been there in a while. We were watching the Niner game. We'll talk more about that later on. But they're like, they're like, are you guys willing to have Tomlin walk away? I'm like, dude, we're all tired of just losing in the playoffs and not even being competitive. I think it's like the fourth or fifth straight game. I think we've been like, our ass kicked. I think it started actually with, like, the Browns kicking our ass. Was that the Johnny Manziel or was that like the. [00:06:07] Speaker A: No, it wasn't Manziel. That was Baker. Right? [00:06:09] Speaker B: Baker's like, rookie year when, like, they. They snuck in the playoffs and we had a. Like a really loaded team and they just worked us, man. Like, ever since then, it's just been really disappointing. So, yeah, I'm a little lost of words. [00:06:23] Speaker A: The Steelers, you know, they got to go out, they got to get a quarterback. The problem is, once you're in the playoffs all the time, they just have not been able to get the quarterback ever since Roethlisberger got hurt, his elbow, remember, he missed, like, that season, came back. Never, never, never was the same. Didn't have the zip. His mobility was gone. I mean, Kenny Picket has just been a guy. The five years he's been in the league has been running for his life as well. I mean, there's a guy in Green Bay named Malik Willis, which I think would be perfect for the Steelers. For what? They need a guy that can move around, throw the ball deep. They got to get some more playmakers. I mean, I like their tight end room. I like dk, you know, maybe get another wide receiver, slot wide receiver. Build upon that. Their O lines not. Not bad. They didn't look good against the Texas, but the Texans make a lot of O lines look bad, so that's nothing to be ashamed About, I mean, Rogers, if you could. Rome, if you mentioned if Rogers could have moved a little bit, he could have avoided probably two or three of those sacks and a couple of those fumbles. But this is what Houston gets. They're mean, they're physical, they're tough, they don't care. They challenge you at every level of the field. They're deep at every level of the field. I mean, the front four is good. The linebackers are good. Their secondary is really good. They basically play a 4, 2, 5. They play the same defense. They dare you to run because they can stop you with the front four. They dare you to throw because their guys can cover and they can get after the quarterback by just bringing four. I don't think, I don't think the Texans blitz but maybe a handful of times in this game. [00:07:46] Speaker B: Those disguise blitz. [00:07:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. The Steelers just never could capitalize on. I mean, it was a game that I thought was going to happen versus, you know, the Texans. Going back to Jason said, I mean, C.J. stroud did not have a good game. I thought, you know, a lot of the mistakes were just not paying attention to the ball getting snapped to him. Kind of trying to see where the pressures were coming because the Steelers were showing a lot of, you know, six, seven man fronts. Seeing who was going to blitz, who was going to drop back, kind of threw him off his game. But I thought in the second half, at least late third, fourth quarter, he made some big third down throws to get to extend drives that eventually, you know, they got a field goal and then they got the two touchdowns. But Stillers up and down all year. I mean, their defense, we saw them what, you know, five, six weeks ago, Buffalo rushed for over 200 yards. We thought they were done. And then like the last four weeks, they've had the number one rush defense in the league given up less than 75. It's amazing that they stopped Detroit to only 15 yards rushing given how good of a running team they were. But Houston was able to run the ball down their throat consistently. [00:08:42] Speaker B: And then they got big chunks. It was a big chunks at a time. [00:08:47] Speaker A: I mean, Kirk had a huge game. Nico Collins goes out in the third quarter of a concussion. We'll have to see what his availability is for this upcoming weekend game against the Patriots. But I mean, the Texas is the reason why I took him once these playoffs started to get to the Super Bowl. I believe in this defense. I, I think. [00:09:01] Speaker B: So do I. I just can't go against my team. [00:09:04] Speaker A: I like C.J. i like C.J. stroud. I mean he makes, he throws the ball easy. Everything in the pocket for him is easy. It's just sometimes he's a bit off and he was off today. But I, I, I, I'm still a big believer in what he can do and I'm a big believer what the Texans could do going forward as they're a three point dog already against the Patriots. So I, I would already jump on the te, I think that line will go down. [00:09:26] Speaker B: I was pretty pumped up before this game started. I was like feeling the vibes like I love like, like the intro by espn. But then once most of the guys picked the Steelers, I'm like I'm not feeling good anymore. Ryan Clark, Stephen A. Aaron's doppelganger, you know, it's just, I can't remember his name. [00:09:48] Speaker C: Hasselbeck? [00:09:50] Speaker A: Nah. [00:09:50] Speaker B: But it doesn't really matter. [00:09:51] Speaker C: No. [00:09:54] Speaker B: All right. Unless you guys have any more comments about this game, I really don't know what else to say. I, I think they did. Nothing really changed with the, with the projected schedule. It's just the times I, I didn't get a chance to take a look at it. So. Texans move on to play who? [00:10:09] Speaker C: Texans will play the Patriots. That'll be this Sunday early game, noon Eastern or new Pacific standard time. [00:10:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:20] Speaker C: So it'll be noon our time and then Bears Rams will be the Sunday night Nightish game on NBC. [00:10:30] Speaker A: It was at a 3:30 kickoff or something. 4. Yeah. [00:10:33] Speaker B: Sucks dude. I, I really wish they, they put the Niners on Sunday instead of a lot of gripes about the way the, the playoff schedule is. It's really not fair. It's really stupid. [00:10:44] Speaker A: But. [00:10:46] Speaker B: All right, well let's go back then. Let's go back to Saturday because that's where it all started. Rams and Panthers, such a good game. Every game was great until last night's game. Chargers Pats. It was ugly. It was unbearable. Drake may look that was like his worst game of the year. And granted this is only the second team that they play with a winning record I think all year round besides the Bill. So you know you, you kind of expect a little adjustment there but Pats took care of business. But going back though, besides that though, this was like shaping up to be like one of the best wild card weekends a long time. Panthers showed up, they had a chance to win it going down the field as time was expiring. Just didn't have enough in the tank but man, they had it there. They could have taken away Rams really lucky to escape that and you know, they just don't look that good to me right now. And then, and then we'll talk about the next game afterwards. Packers and the Bears, packers kicking themselves in their own ass and losing that game. [00:11:59] Speaker A: Sometimes, sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. Rome sometimes lucky. [00:12:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I know. And oh my God, that game really pissed me off, dude. We'll go back to it, but let's start with the Rams. [00:12:11] Speaker A: Panthers. [00:12:11] Speaker B: I was, I was, I, I, I, I had, you know, no qualms of like, who would win. I was kind of quietly rooting for the Panthers though, for an upset and they got hella close. It was not a good game. The Panthers looked, some places looked great, some places looked ugly. It was basically like what you saw, Aaron, that one day you're like, how, like, how are you for this team? [00:12:34] Speaker A: I've been telling you, I'm not the only one that's seen this stuff. So, I mean, the film does not lie. That's all I will say. The film does not lie. Even, I mean, even the broadcaster is. [00:12:42] Speaker B: Saying, like, oh, wait, wait, like one drive they're good, one drive, they're bad. Like, pick a side. [00:12:48] Speaker A: You guys have a chance to win. The good thing for Saturday, we'll touch on it. One of Jason's two teams, Rome, as you mentioned before, these playoffs did advance, so that's a good thing. They didn't both. [00:12:56] Speaker B: They did. [00:12:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:56] Speaker B: On Saturday, Jason's two teams. [00:13:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:13:01] Speaker B: So thoughts on that game? [00:13:01] Speaker C: First to start the game, you know, rams are up 14, nothing to start that game. And you figure it's going to be a blowout. They're marching down the field. Panthers couldn't do anything offensively that first quarter. I was like, okay, this is going to be the blowout. Potentially thought it was. The Rams kind of learned the lesson from the first matchup. You know, they're, they're a 10 point favorite on the 14th. They're up 14, nothing to start that game. And so like, I was initial because I, you know, I'm pretty sure in the picks I picked Rams to cover that 10. And, and Aaron, you know, Aaron had the Panthers to cover on that. And I'm like, okay, it's, it's going to be runaway. But you know, it just, it didn't turn that way. Just the Rams. All this because the Pukinakua was killing the Panthers in the first two drives. I mean, just, it was, it was getting uncomfortable at a certain point. It's like they can't do anything to stop this guy. And then I don't know what turned around there in that second quarter because all of a sudden you were owning a half at 17, 14. And okay, this is, this is way tighter than we're thinking it should be. And you're right, it was every other, it was every other driver, what it would have been. They got, they couldn't get the run game going at all. Like Rico Dowdle, you know, five carries for nine yards non existent. Chuba Hubbard basically reclaimed the starting job here down the stretch, but he couldn't get anything going. And so Bryce Young, 50, a little about 50% completion, but finding the right guys at the right time, like Jalen Coker had himself a game, 134 yards. And that, that was really kind of that, that second second half or second quarter to second half coming alive. And it was kind of just these things. Are the Rams gonna let this thing slip away? Because they're obviously the more talented team offensively. You know, I know talking to some people that are in the, like, the passing was working and they kept going back to trying to get, you know, Kyron Williams and Blake Corum some, some carries to be able to effectively invest in the running game for the play action to go. But it just felt like the run game was never taken off for them either. But then they just lost the rhythm in the passing game on some of that. And then the Stafford kind of mistakes that you didn't see from the MVP there and that was keeping the Panthers in the game and then potentially winning it. So I. The Rams, Aaron or Rome, you said you're not believing them. I mean, I. Are they still the betting favorite to win the Super Bowl? I don't know if they are like, but this is a team where like, they almost played down to an inferior, like opponent at this point. Like they should be blowing out the Panthers both of these meetings and it just looks like, hey, all of a sudden they just lose it mid game and not, not really understand why Rams. [00:15:37] Speaker A: Are an interesting team. I mean, I, we went into this game, like you mentioned Rome talking about, hey, Carolina, they don't belong, whatnot. But they just beaten the Rams, what, six weeks ago. So anytime you beat a team and they're coming back to your house again, you're going to be confident. So I was really confident in Carolina pinning up a good game. You know, I said they have a shot at upsetting the Rams. I mean, the Rams defensively these last six weeks have been in the bottom. In the bottom. They're giving up a ton of yards Ton of points. And Bryce Young, you know, when the games are on the line, in the big games, he's actually played pretty well. And against, you know, some mediocre teams, he's not. And going back, I mean, I think when the Rams got up to such a big lead, you know, maybe Stafford got hurt or not, whatever this throwing finger on his index hand, we've thrown the ball when he got banged up a little bit, I guess X rays came back negative. But I thought where the Rams messed up and we'll touch on it. A lot of coaches just doing stupid decisions going forward on 4th down instead of taking easy points. I mean McVeigh could have went up 20 to 7, goes forward on 4 from 3, no reason they get stopped. Carolina goes down and gets a touchdown and make a 1714 at the half, completely swung the momentum. There was another game, we'll get into that on Sunday where the kind of the same happened. Swung the momentum. Yep. But you know, sometimes in the playoffs, man, early game just take points, you got momentum, your defense is controlling it instead. Now you give another team life. Carolina's crowd was fired up the whole time. The Rams could never really build upon that 14 nothing lead. Carolina kept it close and you know, look at Bryce Young made some big time throws down there in the red zone. Go line to go kept him in the game. Carolina just didn't have enough time. The Rams, you know, they missed some big plays too. Devonte Adams missed some passes. You know, Puka Naku, as Jason said, was kicking ass. I mean he dropped a touchdown I think late in the first half. That would have at least set him up for points where it hit him basically in the hands and helmet face mask there. Rams are a dangerous team because you know, look, they can score of anybody defensively. They, you know, they can get after you. They can get turnovers and whatnot. But it's an interesting matchup they got coming up here with the Bears and it's going to be a good game because you got two teams right now that are scoring points at a high rate and defensively both teams are giving up points at a high rate. It could be another shootout at Soldier Field. We'll have to see what the weather looks like though. [00:17:56] Speaker B: Well, this game kind of set the tone too because they had a couple lead changes in the fourth quarter. I think the Panthers up at least once or twice and if I'm not mistaken, Bryce Young got them ahead with like two minutes to go. But that's way too much time for this Rams offense and Then the Rams scored, I think, what, like 30 something seconds left. And then I didn't like the play calling on the last drive for the Panthers. I, I think the play calling was really sketchy in, in, in the second half of the season for this Panthers team because they had two good running backs. They kind of went away with that same thing in this game, too, so. It was exciting, though. Set the tone for the whole weekend. After this game, though, I'm like, oh, this is gonna be fun. So we got that in the books. We go on to Saturday nights. Epic night. My daughter was pumped up watching the game. She, she picked the packers herself. I didn't tell her about anything. [00:18:50] Speaker A: Well, she was sending Jason direct messages, so that's what I heard on the text messages. [00:18:55] Speaker B: Well, she asked like, like, well, she asked like, what are the guys going for on the podcast? Like, well, Aaron's team is the Packers. They're called the Cheese Heads. And she's like, what's their mascot? I'm like, I don't know. It's cheese, dude. I, I don't know. They don't have a mascot. And she's like. And then, and then the other one's the Bears, right? I'm like, yeah, that's Jason's team. And she's like, oh, man, they're not doing good. I was like, you want to send a message? That's what she said to the message. And then at the end of the game, she's like, jason's team won. Like, yeah. So we had a good time. But what a game, though, because that Packers, Bears team, the Pack, looked like they dominated three quarters going to the beginning half of the fourth quarter. LaFleur, lights out, great play calling. And then they just let off the gas. It was unbelievable. And this Bears team, man, I don't know what that is. Maybe it is the Pope coming from Chicago. Maybe it is because they've now have, what, seven come from behind victories this year? Most in Bears franchise history, I, I, I believe. And, and that, and that pass, I think it was Caleb Williams rolling left, ridiculous. Jumping off back foot across Michael Jordan. [00:20:14] Speaker A: Body jump shot in game six of a final. [00:20:17] Speaker B: In between three defense, was it two or three defenders? It didn't really matter. It was just such a beautiful throw and catch, like on the money. And that's what did it, because they had no business winning that game. And that and that and that. That's like one of the best throws I've seen in the playoffs in a long time. And I just don't know which what to think of Caleb Williams still, because like, he's been pulling some things out of his ass late in the game all year, year long and there's something there or something there. But you know, Bears move on. And what's up with the beef with Florin and Johnson anyways? Like, Johnson's like saying f the packers, you know, post game does like a shitty handshake. Like, I still don't know what's happening there. [00:21:01] Speaker C: I don't think there is really any like beef per se. I think this is all just Ben Johnson. And he said it in his press conference today, like, this is a rivalry and this is a rivalry game and we don't have to, you know, be all lovey dovey with everybody out of it. No pun intended. You know, this is, these are the, this is the oldest rivalry in professional football. I just got that. Yeah, I know, but you know, it's the oldest rivalry in professional football. And there, there was a time and you know, you think of NBA rivalries of our youth and, and, and different things like the teams. I mean there's a great documentary, I'm scrolling to another sport, but you think of the Rome, you're a Red Wings fan, the Red Wings Avalanche from like the 90s. Like these guys were literally trying to kill each other on the ice when it came to that rivalry and how historic, you know, some of those matchups in the playoffs turned to be. And you know, the Bears have been, you know, the punching bag to the packers for, you know, the past decade plus. Like there was a stat going on that Jay Cutler, Mitch Tribisi and Justin Fields, all of them had a combined three wins against the packers during however many years that is. To those three starting quarterbacks. Caleb already has three wins against the packers in two years. And so now you're, you're getting into, hey, two young head coaches that I presume LaFleur is still going to have a job in this. We'll get into that more later. But two young head coaches, good offensive minds, you know, two great teams, two historic organizations, two good quarterbacks. I mean, Love was fantastic. Four touchdowns, no interceptions. You know, he was great. So, you know, there, there's some hostility and I think Ben Johnson's taking the opportunity. Like there's, there's one thing about Chicago and it's this rivalry with Green Bay and it's like, hey, you know, f these guys, I don't like them and they probably shouldn't like us and this is what's going to be. And there's some talking back and forth and I think it just, it's a level of stakes that was in that game that hadn't been seen in forever. You had Al Michaels talking, that's the loudest he ever heard or felt that stadium towards the end. And there's a buzz and energy around this team just to get up and. Yeah, I don't know if there's any actual peripheral beef. Allegedly, these guys don't really even know each other, but, but you know, Ben Johnson's that kind of, that kind of psycho, man. He's got something in his mind that just, it doesn't matter. I'm going to make this into something because this is, I'm not supposed to like these guys. [00:23:22] Speaker B: Yeah, it was weird. One thing about the packers, man, I, I love had a great game, but I didn't like how there was a few opportunities to kind of run the clock a little bit, get the run game going on the second half. And it was left too much time and that door open for the Bears to come back. 25 points in the fourth quarter, man, 25 points in the fourth quarter. That's ridiculous. [00:23:45] Speaker C: It was crazy. I, I at halftime, I'm, I How you feel, Jason? Oh, I thought it was over. I'm not gonna lie. I've been a Bears fan for 40 years, man. I was like, we lose that game 10 times out of 10, it's a blowout, it's over and a half. You know, I'm at a, I'm at a pretty much a Bears bar watching this game with a bunch of my friends. I got a couple Packer friends. Friends. I got a friend who's a Rams fan who already won and, and he asked me at halftime, Rome, about the text with your daughter at that time. Just tell asking me, like, when can I start talking, start talking messy right now because they knew Just the anger and everything just draining in my face in that moment. And I thought it was over. I didn't see it. As much as the, as much as Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson and this Bears team have taught me throughout this entire season is like, we will make it a game in the fourth quarter and have that ability to come back. It was just like, man, I didn't have faith that the defense was going to stop enough. And then at the same time it's like, man, we're going for it on 4th down on our own 32 yard line and don't crazy and don't convert it because like you felt at that moment, Ben Johnson didn't think that the Bears defense was gonna be able to stop. You know, Jordan Love on this. So, man, it wasn't feeling good in the halftime. I mean, even in the third quarter, you know, they got a field goal. Okay. It's a two possession game now. The, they, they had the stops, but then you get the interception, which is basically kind of like a punt. We didn't get anything out of that. And then you're down two possessions, going the fourth quarter, you get another field go. Okay, we're feeling something. They punt again, the Bear score. The touchdown. I would say when it was 2116, I'm like, all right, man. Like at that point, at that moment, I was like, I felt there was something there. We made the stop, we got the touchdown, and then they come, the packers come right down and score. I think it's. Was it Matthew Golden's first game? [00:25:31] Speaker B: Had a great game. It was really good. [00:25:33] Speaker C: I mean, that was. He's kind of like coming out game. That was his best game as a pro. First touchdown and I'm like, man, this ain't it. And then The Bears go 10 play 76 yards and just answer right back, get the two point conversion. It was just. Things were just working and that shouldn't. And that fourth down play you said, I mean, it's just, it's going to live in Caleb Williams lore and Bears lore. The game was over if he doesn't convert that and the level of difficulty in that throw. Like, I don't know how many guys in the league can make that throw, but it's maybe two or three. [00:26:07] Speaker B: Not many. There's a few things. Yeah, once Love and Golden got that touch in the fourth quarter, I'm like, all right, cool. 11 points. This thing's comfortable. Six minutes to go. Like, no way Bears score that fast. They did within a couple minutes, I'm like, oh, they got that two point conversion. The kicking though, man, with the packers, it was that, what, 52 yarder to end the second quarter. He makes it, but there's a timeout called. He misses the second attempt, shanks it left, and then he had another missed field goal in the fourth quarter. I think it was after that Williams touchdown, right? Yeah, it was like another 40 yarder. These are all kicks that he makes in the regular season. And he misses that extra point on that Love touchdown as well. It could have been 28 to 16, right? Yeah. Seven points gone. Really? I don't really count the fifth yarder because, you know, that's like a, you know, 50, 50 shot, but four points gone right there. I, I like, I heard a lot of packers fans pissed off at McManus on X and everywhere else. [00:27:13] Speaker C: I believe it. I, I, last time the Bears were as relevant or I was, you know, as close to this excited was, you know, the trubisky Matt Nagy double game. And as a Bears fan that season, I said all season it was gonna like the season's gonna end because of Cody park. And it did. And so I, I could probably feel for packers fans that that is because I, Aaron, I don't know, you're the, you're the resident packers fan. The show. I, I was hearing throughout this game that packers fans were iffy about McManus the entire year. And so I think they had those doubts, creeping, you know, throughout this game that he's going to cost us this game because it, I mean some of those kicks are like just crazy taking off and I don't know if it's the wind and he just doesn't, doesn't play it. I mean, I, I don't love Cairo Santos, the Bears kicker, because he's got really nothing beyond like 45 yards, but he knows how to play the win, man. He's like the great putter. He knows the lie. He's not going to be the bomber, but he's, he's not going to play the win to get in there. And McManus, it just, it just wasn't there. And yeah, I think that was a huge, obviously a huge factor in the game when you're taking, what's that, seven points off the board between the extra point and two missed field goals. [00:28:19] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, he made that field goal. Well, they call timeout to end the half right on that 51 yard field goal that he made. Timeout right before he comes down and misses. I mean 51 when you know, windy condition, shoulder fields, tough. The extra point. No excuse the 44 yard field goal. No excuse me. You know, I think the big thing for me when I look at why the packers lost this game, I'm gonna put this loss on Matt LaFleur because the second half offense play calling early sucked. The, like Romy mentioned, they did not have the, they just, they took their, the fur off the gas pedal. No sense of urgency, lackadaisical. Three and out three and out three now. And the defense kept holding these guys. I mean they went into the fourth quarter, was it 21 6. I think what, 10 minutes ago in the fourth quarter was a 219 game. And I mean, Jordan Love, I mean, I thought I think there was a play there mid third quarter, late third quarter. I think it was about at midfield, third and two. I think Jordan Love could have easily ran for first down. Instead he throws the ball like five feet over Golden's head. [00:29:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:16] Speaker A: And it's just like what are we doing right now? I mean you got a punt in that situation. No reason in going for it. I mean, I don't know if you guys touched on it. I mean look at Ben Johnson called a great game in the second half, but he did a terrible job managing that game. I mean, ridiculousness going for it on fourth down as many times as he did. I mean he's lucky at the end of the game that he can say the packers because the team in Chicago would have been saying pun it on fourth down a la Dan Campbell. So maybe something's in the water there in Detroit because he brought a lot of that juice with him over biting kneecaps because that's what he seems like he's been doing in the locker room right now. [00:29:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:49] Speaker A: So I mean they were fortunate. I mean Caleb Williams build them out room. Have you talked about that fall away pass to Rome? I mean that was, it was a great play. [00:29:58] Speaker B: Dude, it was amazing. [00:29:59] Speaker A: I mean watch, watching that play, I just looked at myself and I just laughed. I just laughed. Let's see, like you just, you got to give it up to him. That's a great play. [00:30:06] Speaker B: It got my daughter to throw her Barbies down like, dad, do you see that catch? Like that's how good it was. [00:30:11] Speaker A: Yeah. And when you go back and look at that game in the fourth quarter, you go like, man, only if the. What are the packers missing? Go. Right, that's, that's Micah Parsons. [00:30:19] Speaker B: Right. [00:30:19] Speaker A: That's why you got them for games like this. When you have a double digit fourth quarter lead to get after the quarterback so you can make Caleb, you know, throw passes like that. Or maybe somebody doesn't even get that pass over you. [00:30:30] Speaker B: Right. [00:30:30] Speaker A: Maybe you get a sack, maybe you get them off another step or two over that ball goes out of bounds. I know for the Packers. I think for the Packers. You guys been asking where it's been golden all year. Matthew Golden. Well, he showed up, they found something and maybe that's something for them to build on. 100 craft back next year. Green Bay. You know, I think Matt Floor is going to be back. I mean I think there's already talked about, you know, contract extension. It's going to get done. Be stupid to get rid of him. He'd Be the number one coach on. [00:30:59] Speaker B: The market right away was kind of weird, though. Like, they're going to try to give an extension. [00:31:05] Speaker C: I mean, it's one year. It's one year left. I mean, for all tens of purposes, he's, you know, it's lame duck status. You don't go into the final year without the extension. And then I. I saw Schefter on Sunday, you know, tweet now that Harbaugh's agents, the son of the former packers president, and Harbaugh's got a home in the Upper Peninsula. And like, all, you know, kind of rumor and innuendo. It wasn't really like, straight reporting from. From Schefter, but, like, Shifter has not. [00:31:32] Speaker B: Done any reporting this year. [00:31:34] Speaker C: I don't know. I mean, but that was where I think the wins. [00:31:36] Speaker A: I don't think he's done any reporting since he's gone to ESPN after he left NFL Network, let's be honest. [00:31:40] Speaker B: Yeah, it's just all rumor mills from him now. [00:31:42] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, just definitely some agents working the phone with that potentially. But, yeah, I agree with Aaron as much as, hey, yeah, packers, go fire the floor. Because I think he's a great offensive coach. That. That'd be. That'd be a plus for the Bears. But if they're smart, I, you know, there's things to work on because Aaron's right for Ben Johnson. Man, he would have been getting killed on some of these four. He was two for six on fourth down. The one Aaron we already talked about. [00:32:06] Speaker A: Was it fourth and sixth when he went forward on his own 32. [00:32:09] Speaker B: 32. That was wild. Yeah, I was like. [00:32:11] Speaker A: I was like, I mean, what are you doing? [00:32:13] Speaker C: That was the. That was my mindset where I was like, you know, as the. The Bears fans right now are like, hey, we got this fourth quarter magic, which we do. But that was the call to me going into halftime was like, Ben knows the defense is cooked. Like, he just knows he has to go for it. If. If this is what he's saying on our own 32, that we. That we can't get it in three downs on a first down, and we just have no hope for the defense to stop them. So. But is that, you know, was that sending the message to the defense? Like, man, y' all better step it up here in the second half because they did a little help probably from the packers offense if you're gonna get the packers fan in that. But I mean, all in all, I mean, the whirlwind of emotions just wild in that game for where it was at and the inevitable for the Bears. You know, Rome talked about just what Caleb Williams is. There's, I mean, throws for 363 yards, still like 50% completion, but he's playing the quarterback position maybe a different way that we're not used to because for a decade plus now it's about like completion procession, completion percentage. But like this guy, he's kind of. [00:33:20] Speaker B: A throwback, his comma throwback. [00:33:22] Speaker C: He hits the big play, but then also doesn't turn the ball over. I know he had two interceptions in this game. One of them basically was a fourth down punt that the packers guy. I don't even know why he caught. And the other one was a clear miscommunication from Luther Burden not running the post and keeping it into a fade. So it was the most interceptions Caleb's throwing since like week two or three of being a starter last year. So he hits the big play but hasn't made the big, big mistakes throughout the season. And so, yeah, right, it's, it's a throwback, but it's a throwback that doesn't get you kind of the turnovers that you generally get for the Bears though, going into next week and we'll probably talk about it more. I don't think the Rams are a team you can trifle with getting behind. Like the offense does need to show up in a first half at some point, you know, probably like it did during that Niners game because I don't know about coming back that much on a Rams team that's got a ton more talent offensively and you know, for all potential purposes, probably definitely a better coach than Sean McVeigh. [00:34:18] Speaker A: Yeah, McVeigh's the best coach I think in the NFL. What? Yeah, I mean, the one thing the Ramsay's better you have this problem with too. [00:34:24] Speaker C: I don't know if he, you know, yes, he's got, he's got that super bowl over Ben Johnson, but I'll, I'll live or die with Ben right now. [00:34:30] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I, I, I don't know if I would live or dive for 4th and 6 on my own 32 when the game is. I, I get your defense is playing bad, but you don't, you don't give another offense that's rolling a short field like that when your defense is playing that at all. You got to punt him back down inside the 20, 25 yard line and make him at least drive the length of the field. Look at the Ram special teams. Their kicking game is terrible. Their Special teams have been a bad all year. Remember they just fired the special teams corner like two, three weeks ago and they've not gotten much better. So their kicker's not great coming into that game. It's going to be tough for them. Rams going to need to get touchdowns. The Bears, I mean defensively we touched on. Look, I think Green Bay let him off the hook. I mean they were blitzing a ton there, man to man coverage. I think Green Bay could have taken them advantage of it if they do that with Puka, Devonte, Adams, I believe the Rams will. But again, we'll see what the weather looks like. [00:35:18] Speaker B: It's going to be, I believe around 4 degrees. It's going to feel like a negative 8 factor. That's what they said so far. [00:35:25] Speaker A: Caleb Williams, I think, I think Bears fans, we'll see if he ever gets it cleaned up. I think Kaylin Williams makes a spectacular play, but he still misses a real easy throw sometimes. And I just got a feeling there's going to be time this playoff where he makes the play like he did against Green Bay falling backwards and where he misses a wide open touchdown that would win a game that's going to end up costing. [00:35:44] Speaker B: You know who's kind of like that? Cam Newton. He was reminding me a lot of Cam Newton. [00:35:50] Speaker A: I could see that. [00:35:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Any last comments from this game? We'll talk a little bit about the Rams game though. But I, I think that's gonna be really good. I think it's gonna be really good. Rams going to really cold Chicago Bears Stadium not going to use the Bears hibernating analogy anymore for this season. [00:36:11] Speaker C: They're definitely not hibernating right now. The game was special this season for the Bears has been special with the fourth quarter comebacks. These, the, the, the, the Green Bay trilogy though. I mean I, I obviously have as a Bears fan had the upper hand in the two to three, but those are three of the more entertaining games you'll probably ever have with the way the, those have ended. Crazy style those three games. The Bears, the Bears never had an offensive snap where they were in the lead in any of those three games this year. [00:36:41] Speaker A: No, they were not only that, they were dominating the first half all three of those games but they scored a grand total of six points in those first three games. First half combined. [00:36:50] Speaker C: Yep. [00:36:51] Speaker B: So Aaron, you made an extra comic because you used to say Laor was the top three coach the NFL. Do you feel about him now? [00:36:58] Speaker A: I'm still big on Matt La Flor. I mean I, I I would be happy if their defensive coordinator got a head coaching job, maybe get him out of there. I think he's, I think he lost all opportunity of getting that. I don't know why he was even being brought up for getting head coaching jobs. But like, I, I think one thing I'll say about Mountain Floor, what I've noticed a lot of his times with his teams is they kind of, they don't have that killer instinct. Like they just don't have that drive to pit teams away when it seems like it should be there. Like they should have, like they should have beaten the Bears by double digits easily in this game. Should have been what's what, 213 at the half. They should honestly won like 31 20, something like that. I think that's where I kind of capped that game to be out to begin with. No reason they should have lost this game. I mean, their defense gave up, what, nine points for three quarters. I mean, Kayla Williams, like we said, he made some great plays, but I mean, Ben Johnson basically delivered that game on a silver platter. Going for it on fourth down multiple times. They could have kicked field goals. They got how many turnovers on downs they have on the fourth down. Would you say they were two for six, Jason? [00:38:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:00] Speaker A: Plus Caleb had two picks. Yeah. I mean it's, it's a game when you look at it like you win the turnover battle, you won the third down battle, you won the fourth down battle. Kicking game hurt them, obviously, but I think Matt Laflore's got a keep the aggression and keep attacking. Right. What's the old model like? Hey, I'm up 40 to zero. I want to be up 50 to zero. I feel like he lacks that. And I think that's where the Bears kind of are like, hey, you know what? We don't care if we're down 20. We're going to keep fighting. We don't care. We're up 30. We're going to beat you by 60. I think that's what his teams need to kind of adjust and get that attitude going forward. [00:38:34] Speaker B: Well, funny thing, lafor was on that Atlanta team that gave up that serval to the Pats. Same thing with Shanahan. They have something in common. Maybe it's that whole Atlanta tree, but, you know, what do I know? I do want to recap the Chargers Pats game before we talk about the other two games because the Pats Chargers was, was just bad. I really don't have much to say besides Herbert. Not a great game, but the guy Is big. He had no protection. He was running all night. Pats wasn't a great game, but the defense stepped in when they had to. Drake made his worst game I think all season long, may maybe not all season long because he kind of came into his own this year. But he really came through with some really well timed runs. That was really beneficial. 16 of 3 though. Such a low scoring game. Thoughts on that real quick? [00:39:28] Speaker C: Yeah, Herbert obviously was getting beat up like no other. The offensive line has been a question the entire year. But I mentioned it a little bit at the beginning and I saw this. The stats out there for on I think Pro Football Focus had it for how long it was taking him to throw like average, like 3.43 seconds I think was the average that he had. And so holding the ball too long. My cousin's a big Patriots fan, lives in Boston. I was texting with him throughout the game and he was commenting just the Patriots, you know, really he was proud of the secondary and I think that was like the really the key of the game when you think you got Keenan McConkey, you know, Johnston, like there's some weapons there, but I guess no separation or whatever. Herbert was looking at whether the first throw was off and going through the progression like we talked through with Stroud. I mean knowing the offensive line isn't there, what was going to be that to get some quick passes and get that going. It just didn't seem like the Chargers had any rhythm offensively. And it's just Herbert trying to just survive out there holding the ball and man, he was taking some shots. [00:40:27] Speaker B: He got beat up. [00:40:28] Speaker A: Let's. I mean even Drake May got beat up. I mean give the Chargers defense credit for even keeping this a game. [00:40:33] Speaker B: Dude, 16 points, that's really great. [00:40:35] Speaker A: I mean I know this was one of our bigger plays on the under in this game 46. It was a large, large play for us here. We talked about that. But I mean Chargers, Jason touched on it going in the preview of that game, that offensive line, we he asked, hey, how do they score points? I mean the chargers the last three games scored a grand total of 22 points against three teams that are now three of the four finalists in the eight in the AFC. So they're not scoring points. I mean, Greg Roman likely going to be dismissed as offensive coordinator. Be interesting to see if Harbaugh goes outside his kind of coaching tree. Brian Dable, are you interested? Come on down. The Chargers could use you. But Chargers, they're get their, they should get their offensive lineman back Next year I think they're going to draft an interior offensive lineman as well, either a guard or center to kind of beef that up defensively. We'll see what happens with Jesse Mentor, whether or not he gets a head coaching gig. I think he should. He might not get one this cycle, but he's one of the better minds out there. Drake May is a really good quarterback and they did a really good job against him. And if you're the Chargers, Jason, what do you say? 3.4 seconds to throw the ball? I mean the NFL average, like what, 2.5 typically. So, I mean, that's a long time. [00:41:48] Speaker B: Well, he always doesn't run. I think he led there the team in rushing. [00:41:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, once you start getting hit, you know, you start, you know, whether or not he wasn't going through his progression. I mean, once you start getting hit, you, you're immediately, you look to run and get out of the pocket. Right. It's just common thing. Like I'm not going to sit here and get hit all the time. I mean, basically, I think the Patriots second half, it looked like they were blitzing over 50% of the time and they were getting through. I mean, Herbert, I mean, what do you have, two or three fumbles. I think they recovered a couple of them, the Chargers, but it was an ugly game for him. It was an ugly game for that offensive line. The skill guys, they have some good guys In Gadson, Allen, McConkey, Johnson, Harris, they got players there. You know, the rookie Hampton was out with the injury, the ankle. He only played with one or two snaps. But if you're the Chargers, look, I mean, you got to get that offensive line fixed. You know, you got two stud tackles that both got hurt. They weren't really, you know, good on the perimeter with their tackles. Defensively, you know, they're one of the cheaper defenses in the league. So that unit's still pretty good. Depending on what again, what happens with Jesse Mentor brother gets head coaching gig. Yeah, but the hardball process, I mean, for me and if you're a Chargers fan, you never expected to win in the first couple years. If you look at what Harbaugh does, I mean, I know the Niners got to the super bowl pretty quick, but if you look at his other coaching destinations, they win. But they don't necessarily get to like championship level till year rounds, year four, five and six. So I think the Chargers still have some work to do. But I mean, back to back playoffs for them, the Chargers would take it, but they've not Showed out well in the playoffs. [00:43:18] Speaker B: All right, so let's go to the other games on Sunday, which started off with the Bills and Jags. Phenomenal game on this one. Jags had a chance on to come back for a game when they drive themselves. Ball got tipped, interception sealed the deal. Josh Allen, phenomenal game all around. Two rushing touchdowns. Cook got some yards as well. [00:43:45] Speaker A: Even. [00:43:47] Speaker B: Who's our guy, man? Actually came in. You. You've been vouching for him to Keon Coleman got some big plays in this game. I think maybe just one play, actually, but it was. It was a big play down the right side for a big chunk. It was such a good game, though, a slugfest. I know Romo was really big on the Jags, was really heavily favoring them to potentially win a Super bowl this year. You guys have been more. More on that line. I don't think so, but really good year from Lee and Cole Comb and team. I'm still not sold on their quarterback, Trevor Lawrence, but he's. He's had a great, great year. It was just a great year all around. And I don't know, man, Bills, the old bull came through. [00:44:36] Speaker C: Yeah, that was one of the. I pretty sure I said in the prediction, you know, we were. We were high on Liam Cohen, questionable at the. The Bills defense, but this was going to be one of those games. To me, I was not going to be shocked if Josh Allen just did everything he could to wheel them through. I don't know how many times he went to the blue medical tent in that game. It felt like after the drive was over, it was just like he just went straight to the food. I was like, I didn't. [00:44:59] Speaker A: I mean, yeah, I was like, did. [00:45:00] Speaker C: They even clear him? Like, I don't even know what's going on. Like, the Jacksonville defense was. Was really taking it, you know, to him at a certain point. You know, James Cook, you know, they were. They were really getting him moving or trying to get him carries, but, you know, he was only averaging like three yards a carry. You know, didn't get a ton out of it. But the game was a struggle. [00:45:19] Speaker B: The holes really quick. [00:45:20] Speaker C: It was. And the game was just kind of a struggle back and forth. It was. It was. It was a really good game. Rome, as you talked about it, we had some great ones, really, all up until that Sunday night game, and this is one of them. You know, there's something there with Jacksonville. Like, man, I think it sucks for them because, you know, 13 and 4 this year, considering where they were a year Ago, Trevor Lawrence really, really made those leaps. But in this game, obviously the two interceptions, you know, were pretty devastating to, you know, the final outcome. You know, didn't get etn, you know, super involved. He had some pretty good runs. Yeah, I think he ripped off a big one. So did Tootin. But, you know, overall, I just, you know, the Bills defense, I'll be honest, surprised me in this game. Like, they, they really came to play and locked down some things. And Josh Allen, you're right, Rome, you know, the veteran kind of came through and this is going to be his moment. I know there's critics out here, but he's, he's got the playoff field to himself for his two contemporaries that have been kind of quote unquote in the way Lamar and Patrick are not in the playoff. And so is this the moment he can rise through? It's going to be the toughest possible route. Just going to go on the road and go on the road and go on the road. But, you know, I think this is, it's going to be all on his shoulders right now of what this, like, playoff season will be for the Bills. [00:46:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, we talked about Josh Allen was going to have to put on the cape and be Superman. Right. And he was in the fourth quarter. I mean, Jason, you talked about him going to the 10. I mean, talking about quarterbacks that got beat up. I mean, Josh Allen was getting beat up out there. I mean, Jacksonville was laying the lumber, dude. I mean, they, I mean, Buffalo got 79 yards rushing in this game. I, I, I mean, I think I heard an interesting stat. Jacksonville hadn't even let one rusher all year get more than 75 yards. Really? I mean, this defense is, yeah, this defense is mean. They're brutal too. I mean, Jacksonville is a really good team. Yeah, I, I, I, I think, I, I, I, honestly, that's why the line reversed. I mean, it was a three point swing to Jacksonville being favored by one and a half, two points. I think Buffalo getting Jacksonville out of the field did the AFC a favor because I think Jacksonville is a really, really good football team. They remind me a lot of that 142 Chargers team that never went to the Super Bowl. This is a good football team with a good defense that can get after you and do a lot of things. I mean, Trevor Lawrence, but we touched on McVeigh. Liam Cohen had a chance to go up 103 in that game. They went for it. They get stopped. Buffalo goes down and goes up 107 at the half. That's a 10 point swing. Kind of really screwed Jacksonville there. Could have went up 10, 3. I think they could have controlled the game and at least kept the lead, kept the pressure on Buffalo. But Josh Allen, I mean, he made a throw in the fourth quarter. I think we're all out. Blitz came. [00:47:56] Speaker B: It was so good. [00:47:57] Speaker A: And it was like a 40 yard, like dime to Brandon Cooks and like the corner basically cheated on the underneath route because there's like no way this guy can get a 40 yards of this pressure. I mean, it was just a crazy, insane throw where he gets it before the safety gets there. [00:48:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:48:11] Speaker A: You're just looking at it and you're like, man, there's. There's only a handful of guys in this league that make that play and Josh Allen's one of them, and that's why they won the game. [00:48:18] Speaker C: Yeah. Crazy. [00:48:20] Speaker A: You. [00:48:20] Speaker C: You wouldn't. If, if you didn't see that Caleb Williams throw, you would have thought this one the next day was like an insane throw. Yeah, it's kind of. I think it overshadows it because I haven't seen the replays of that on. On like the social medias as much as the Caleb throw. But this one was. This one was really good too. [00:48:34] Speaker B: It was really awesome. I'm just drawing a blank though, because it was pretty tight. Josh Allen and their tush push, they had like a big gain I think at the end that brought him down to the one that almost went like. [00:48:50] Speaker C: 15 yards for a touchdown. [00:48:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it was pretty wild. I'm like, what the hell? And then at that point, Jacksonville just let him score and yeah, they had to. [00:48:59] Speaker A: Right? It's a great game. What? No timeout? [00:49:01] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it was like about a minute left, so they really had no choice. A lot of people were actually making fun of that, that decision, saying that they should have kneeled it, but I've seen too many games where teams play it safe. [00:49:11] Speaker A: They. [00:49:12] Speaker B: They run out the clock, then they don't score. Like, you just. I'm in favor of at least scoring as soon as possible, but Teresa own. [00:49:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, if you're. If it was a tie game, then, yeah, you just take a knee, kick a field goal, you win it. But if you're down, you get. You got to go up as soon as you can because if you get. You get a holding pendantly, a false start, and now it's all sending third and goal from the five or six of 20 seconds, you know, it becomes interesting. So, yeah, I agree. Just take the touchdown. Jacksonville should give up the touchdown there. We'll see. I mean Jacksonville, you know, with the emergence of what's the guy, Washington there, Jacoby Myers. Yeah I think you're gonna see like Travis Hunter probably transition more time, more full time to defense now that they really look like they got their three wide receiver sets already. So I don't know, you know, we'll see what he's coming back off the acl. They were using them a lot within the offense but now that you got Washington, Jacobe Myers and Brian Thomas Jr. Those are kind of your main three guys of strange and ETN. I think Hunter's probably gonna play majority of his snaps going forward at least next year on defense which will improve already a really good defense, a unit. [00:50:20] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I wouldn't be mad at that. I, I think the way they should be treating that to a degree is to your point Aaron putting him on defense and then just figuring out like a package with some a player to where you work them into offense whether it's a decoy or you know there actually is some things to run to it where it's small. I think doing both like full time definitely is not going to work. And if you, if you got what you need on offense which is a rhythm, I think you keep it there. I guess the only counter to that like Brian Thomas Jr. Had a pretty disappointing second year right now. Like is he still the feature guy you want him to be as a number one or are they going to relook at Travis Hunter being the number one and maybe move on from Brian Thomas Jr. I'm just speculating. I don't think there's anything to that because I like Aaron's plan better. But I, I would say overall like you're expecting more out of Brian Thomas Jr. Considering how well the offense did like down the stretch. [00:51:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean it's interesting. Brian Thomas Jr. Did not have a good year this year. I did get a touchdown this game. I think the thing with Travis Hunter, I actually think he's a better wide receiver than he is a defensive back personally. [00:51:24] Speaker B: Yeah, from what I've seen, I think so. [00:51:27] Speaker A: You know but like we did mention they've got three really good wide receivers and they just paid Jacob Myers A three year 60 million dollar extension. I don't know what Parker Washington's contract looks like but Thomas is in the second year of a five year, you know, rookie contract so we'll see what they do. And they got Strange, a good tight end. They got the two good running backs. I mean they're, they're really A team that's loaded for the future. If you look at what their team is, rosters built, they're not really paying anybody a lot of money outside of Trevor Lawrence at this point. [00:51:56] Speaker B: I do want to give one shout out to the Bill's defensive coordinator. They were really tidying up in the second half of the season. I. I think they've been playing really, really well, and they had a hell of a game plan in the. In this game. So I'm really curious to see how they move forward in. I still. I like them. And they just have a puncher's chance in every game, so that's all you can ask for. [00:52:18] Speaker A: Well, you got them in the super bowl against the Niners Rams, so we'll. We'll be fading you on those picks all this week and next. If those teams adv. [00:52:24] Speaker B: All good, man. All good. Last game. We'll cover for the wild card weekend. 49ers Eagles. Another great, epic game. Eagles. I think it was, like, the most Eagles, like, game all season long. They look good. One half, they didn't look good the other, especially on offense. The play calling has been so shaky. Their offensive coordinators. House got Angelina early in the year. People want him fired. Even Herz was not, like, really adamant of, like, giving, like, a son of endorsements. He's gonna be gone. Fifth OC in five years for Herz. And they had every opportunity to take this game away, too. They're at home. As I was breaking down the game, you know, I like the quarterback, I like the coach, you know, favoring the Niners. But Purdy had two, like, weird interceptions. Like what? The interceptions, they had no chance of being completed right into the coverage. They. I. I believe they had, like, a fumble recovery as well. Couldn't capitalize the NERS defense, Ben, but they did not break. Only allowed a couple field goals. They're down at the half right by, like, one point or so. And Purdy McCaffrey and what's his face, you know, like, doing, like, that option play, that wide receiver who I guess was like, Jennings. [00:53:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:53] Speaker B: Was like one of the best quarterbacks in high school that no one knew about. Had a great pass, but, like, that catch was so much better by McCaffrey, like, over the shoulder into the end zone. That was so beautiful. That was so beautiful. I feel bad for Kittle going out. I was watching with a whole bunch of Niner fans and like, oh, this game's over. This game's over. I'm like, dude, just relax, all right? [00:54:13] Speaker A: Just give. [00:54:14] Speaker B: Hey, next fan Up. [00:54:15] Speaker C: Did you talk with your Niner fans friends about the electrical power station theory over there? [00:54:20] Speaker B: I did. [00:54:21] Speaker A: As far as that. [00:54:22] Speaker C: Okay. [00:54:22] Speaker B: I did. They said they heard about it. [00:54:26] Speaker C: I mean, to me, it was gaining more traction over the weekend. [00:54:29] Speaker B: Dude, it's valid, man. [00:54:32] Speaker C: I think 100% valid. [00:54:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I'm buying it. I'm. I'm buying it all. Not great game, though. Great game. Shanahan Salah. Hell of a game plan. Thoughts on that? Game? Bye. Bye. [00:54:48] Speaker A: Eagles. [00:54:49] Speaker B: I hate Eagles fans, so I'm so glad they're out. [00:54:52] Speaker C: I mean, I can't say much as a Bears fan watching the offense the first half they generally had in a bunch of these games, but, man, I. I just don't know what the Eagles offense ever is like. [00:55:01] Speaker B: It doesn't either. [00:55:03] Speaker C: Like, you hand it off to Saquon, he makes some plays. The offense in the passing tree just seems very rudimentary when you're watching it, unless I'm missing something. But, like, I just never get like, oh, this should be something dynamic. And it's just. It never is. And then we spend constantly so much time talking about A.J. brown and, you know, Sirianni, like, what was in the first half. Sirianni's yelling at A.J. brown or whatever, but then they're cool. But then A.J. brown, a crucial drop. [00:55:32] Speaker B: You know, when he drops in the fourth quarter. [00:55:35] Speaker C: Yeah. When they. When they needed him the most. And so it. I don't know. It's one of those, like, dysfunctional things that just works and so you live with it until it becomes, like, so much where it's not successful. And I. I just. Just never know. Like, I think Jalen hurts is good, but then sometimes I just. I just don't know. Like, maybe he's not. I don't. I just. It just. It gets. Gets in the way. I don't. I don't. He is averaging 4.8 yards a completion in that game. Just, like, I can't even stress. [00:56:08] Speaker B: It was really windy, though. It was like, what, 29 miles per hour at one point. His passes in the fourth quarter especially were, like, right on the money and no one could catch him. I'm not sure if it was too. Too much. It was too Wendy. But you're right. Jalen hurts. Like, is he good? [00:56:24] Speaker A: Is he bad? [00:56:25] Speaker B: But he definitely comes through with the clutch. And I don't think this game was on him at all. [00:56:29] Speaker C: I don't think so either. I mean, I'll. I know way too many Eagles fans. And they. You mentioned the offensive coordinator that's who they're blaming. I don't know where it falls into. Sirianni, guy wins a Super bowl last year, and he's just constantly on, you know, the. The hot seat. And it's funny, too, where we talk about these coaches that are on the hot seat, whether it's LaFleur or Harbaugh gets fired and stuff. And these guys are like the number one coach everywhere. I saw an interesting thing, like all these guys get fired, are going to be fired. They're the number one candidates. If Siri got fired today, Nick, no one would want this guy. [00:57:01] Speaker A: They wouldn't even hire him as an oc. [00:57:02] Speaker C: But he's. But he's like. But he won a Super bowl last year. [00:57:06] Speaker A: But he knows. But he knows how. He knows how to manage. Like you said, bad. Like, I don't know guys that don't fit in, but he somehow makes a puzzle fit. Right. Was he on the Minneapolis. Yeah, yeah. Indianapolis. Because he was friends with. He's good buddies with Frank Wright. [00:57:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:23] Speaker A: So. And I think. I think he's buddies with Philip Rivers as well. I heard they, you know, they talk or text once a week as well. But yeah, I mean, the OC is going to be gone in Philadelphia and you guys to. Jalen hurts is. Jalen hurts Good. If you give him a good oc, he's good, right? You give him Shane Steichen, he's an mvp. You give him Kellen Moore, he's pretty good. Yeah. You give him. Whoever this guy is and the other guy before that, and he's. He's. He's below average quarterback in this league. [00:57:49] Speaker B: Yeah, they've had really two good ocs and they've gone to the super bowl both times when they had a good coach. It's only been one year, doing pretty good, and then they leave and it's a rough year. [00:57:58] Speaker A: They. [00:57:58] Speaker B: They just never had an identity there. They had so much more talent than the Niners, but the Niners just play with the passion, with unity. [00:58:05] Speaker A: This was. [00:58:06] Speaker B: It was. It was a great game. [00:58:08] Speaker A: This was the biggest upset of the week. This is the biggest surprise to me because I thought the Niners had no chance going in. I mean, the Niners, I mean, the spread went from three and a half to six. Everybody in the Sharps put their. Put their Christmas money that they got on this game because Philadelphia, I'm extremely shocked they lost this. [00:58:24] Speaker B: I was the only one. [00:58:25] Speaker A: 49Ers had. No. 49ers had no business winning this game. I'm actually glad the 49ers won because I think they're a huge, huge fade next week. I think Seattle's gonna blow them out. But you know, I kind of started thinking about it. I mean there's a lot of candidates for coach of the year, but I think Kyle Shanahan is your coach of the year. What he's done with this group and the players and everybody that's gotten hurt. I know Ben Johnson, Liam Cohen, Mike Rabel have had all great years for the 49ers to go into Philadelphia and beat the super bowl champs, that roster losing Kittle, not having Ricky Purcell, all these guys, it's a phenomenal job because if you would have told me they were going to do it, no way. I thought that there was one out of the two games I liked the most this week was the Patriots and the Eagles to win pretty handily. Patriots did. I'm shocked that the Eagles lost. And if Sirianni hadn't won that Super Bowl, Jason, he'd be out of the job. Let's just be. Let's just put it simply the putt. Oh, I agree. [00:59:17] Speaker C: I mean we were talking before he won the super bowl last year, they were gonna him and then we were. [00:59:22] Speaker A: Talking about this year. [00:59:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:25] Speaker B: Four year extension. So he's not going anywhere. [00:59:28] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't. [00:59:29] Speaker A: At least not yet. But if they got rid of him, Matt LaFleur would be there. Shane Steichen, who I think they were hoping to get fired. That way they could bring him back as the OC As I was talking about a few weeks back. [00:59:38] Speaker C: Yeah. I, I don't think Shanahan wins coach of the year, but I don't disagree. It's probably variables, I'm assuming. But. Yeah, don't disagree with you, Aaron. I, I think this is why it's always crazy to me, Romeo. You know, I think you, you say it like. And I hear from 49ers fans like they don't like Shanahan, you know, because you know, whatever his play calling and some of the biggest moments or whatever. But like man, like you got a coach that really makes you always competitive. Like they put. No matter who he's got or whatever, they're going to make the playoffs and do what needs to be done. Like. And you can't. Those are those things where like I hate the thought of like firing coaches like that. Or you just want to like. You know, we talked about a little bit with Lefleur. I mean you're going through it with Tomlin right now and I know there's the fresh race in there. But, like, man, you're just always kind of relevant, or you. You look at organizations, the jets, and, you know, I don't know, we're looking at the Titans, the Raiders. God, how many guys are they paying right now? It's like, when you go around the merry go round, like, if you're gonna. If you're gonna move on somebody that, like, has a culture, has a system, has, like, a level of coaching that makes you always, like, really good, it's hard. It's tough to, like, see, like, oh, I gotta fire that guy. Because we aren't just the best all the time because 32 teams go home unhappy every year. And, like, if you're just striving for always being happy, it's just. It just goes downhill. Like, that was one of the things that last year, we're talking about Shanahan being on the hot seat for the 49ers. I was like, please, yeah, fire him. I think everyone would want to take him. And what are you going to get better than that? [01:01:03] Speaker B: Oh, no, sometimes it. Yeah, it's good. But, you know, if you're never going to the big dance, then what's the point, right? So I. I totally get why. Why people want to move off. Like, Tomlin, I. I just think it's time. I just think it's time. [01:01:20] Speaker A: Well, Tomlin, I mean, Tomlins lost, what, seven straight playoff games? Rome, we said when we started the show. What. Shanahan's been to two Super Bowls. He's lost against what some people might consider the second best quarterback in the last 20 years, behind Brady and Patrick Mahomes. However you want to rate, they should have won at least one. They could have won one of them. I mean, he got their Jimmy Garoppolo, who's, you know, literally a backup quarterback in this league. [01:01:48] Speaker B: He was good. [01:01:49] Speaker A: But here's what Jason does. Always touch on everybody that goes in the Shanahan system is good. Like, I mean, honestly, Brock Purdy had a shitty game. I would have thought about maybe even yanking him and bringing Mac Jones in. Because Mac Jones throws up, he throws more, he throws a better ball, he's got more velocity, and he's better for windy conditions than which it was. But he's not as mobile and can get away from the pass rush like a Brock Purdy can to kind of extend some plays. Look at if Kyle Shannon got fired today, he'd be the number one coach on the. To be hired. The same with Matt LaFleur. All these guys are competent, head Coaches that sometimes get stuck on their own way. It just happens, you know, ego, whatever it is, it, you know, we come on the show and we kind of harp on some teams or stuff, and we're kind of look back and go, like, oh, man, I'm just, I'm just in my own way on that. But Kyle Shanahan, he has that was it, was he one in 37 and fourth quarters when he's behind, whatever. Some kind of crazy stat. It's, it's kind of hard. [01:02:43] Speaker B: It changed. [01:02:44] Speaker A: Yeah. But then you look at, he's got a winning record and nobody goes like, oh, wait, he's just dominating teams quarters one through three. Nobody ever talks about that in all the games he wins. It's kind of like a weird stat where you're great one ways and not another. And it's like Tomlinson guys won 19 straight seasons of winning record, longest tenure ever in NFL history, and people want him gone. Just give him a, give him a quarterback. No, no. [01:03:06] Speaker B: I, I, I, I, I think it's changed a lot around Shanahan this year. I, I kind of kind of admired at the job. He's done with the Niners, and I think the sentiment has been the same around the barrier as well. They're not really pushing for him. You know, they'll leave. They definitely want solid to stay. They don't want to leave either, and they're just hoping for a health coach. [01:03:27] Speaker A: I don't think Saul is getting a head coaching job. [01:03:30] Speaker B: Well, they're worried. They, they think he's gone, so I, I don't think he's gone. I really don't see the right situation for him this year. It's weird because you might have, depending on what happens for the rest of the playoffs, this might be like a weird year where, like, the jobs aren't great, but then we're gonna have like a whole bunch of premium head coaches available to be hired. That's kind of odd. [01:03:52] Speaker C: Well, I, I think that's where, like, which situations, like the Ravens situation right now. [01:03:56] Speaker B: Right. [01:03:57] Speaker C: Is probably the, like, the most attractive one. I know we talked about this before. [01:04:00] Speaker B: I guess the Giants one is. [01:04:03] Speaker C: I don't, I mean, kind of, I. [01:04:05] Speaker A: Guess, like, I like the job. [01:04:07] Speaker C: I know you guys like it. [01:04:09] Speaker A: I mean, I like that job for. I think maybe they go hardball, man. [01:04:14] Speaker B: I think hardball goes there. [01:04:15] Speaker A: I think they want that Tom Coughlin type Phil young quarterback, good young defense. It feels like there's vibes there. [01:04:22] Speaker C: I, I don't disagree, but I, I just think overall when you think of these jobs right now, I mean, half of these jobs are crap. Like the Titans job, like, either. I think there's just something about that ownership group and everything they do. But there's like, there's fallout from the variable firing and whatever it was from that ownership group. [01:04:39] Speaker B: I wouldn't want to work for that ownership at all. [01:04:40] Speaker C: That's. I mean, that's, that's what they're talking about. [01:04:42] Speaker A: That's what you got to sign up for, right? With Cleveland and all these organizations, Cleveland's the same way. Not available yet. [01:04:47] Speaker C: But that's just. I don't know, there's. There's questions. [01:04:50] Speaker B: So, yeah, Tomlin leaves, that would be a great job because at least you know, the ownership is going to have your support no matter what. [01:04:55] Speaker C: I guess the only question about that Steelers job, I couldn't even tell you who the Steelers general manager on because I don't think he's out there. But they always have. Hey, the Rooneys are great owners. They've had what, three head coaches in 70 years or whatever it is for you guys. But to question some of Tomlin's stuff is like, Aaron's right. Who's his quarterback? Ben? What's the roster construction of his team to make them like, effective? He gets you nine wins and makes you winning, but man, like, it's a brutal watch of like what we've been have to endure offensively that are they bringing in the right talent for this coach right now? And I mean, you know, that'd be my question. [01:05:29] Speaker A: Well, I think the Steelers kind of weird. I know we haven't touched on it. They're the opposite of the league, right? All their money spent on defense. If you look at the league, everybody's really spends money on offense. I mean, the Rams, all their money spent on offense. They just drafted, you know, young talent. First round, second round, third round. [01:05:49] Speaker B: Guys spent a lot of time on defense too, though. [01:05:53] Speaker A: Who? Rams got nobody on defense. They got rid of dawn, you know, Donald retired, and then they got Ramsey. So they got nothing but young guys. I mean, they've signed some guys through extensions now. But the Steelers spend all their money on defense. It's not been very good. It's an aging defense and we talked on it. Who's been their quarterback? I mean, when Roethlisberger was in his prime, they were really good. And then he got hurt and he got washed up and they haven't had anybody since. I mean, you've had Mason, Rudolph, you know, Rogers, Kenny Pickett. I mean, these guys are emergency third string quarterbacks for the most part. So I think they can go out there. Look, Lake Willis is going to be on the market. You can probably get him for 25, 30 million a year. I don't think he's going to be able to command much more than that. [01:06:39] Speaker B: That's crazy for, for Willis right now. [01:06:44] Speaker A: That's what I think it's really going to cost to get him. I mean he's shown, he's shown in the two years under the floor and five, six starts that he's, he's looked really, really good. [01:06:53] Speaker B: I think you're buying him more than everybody else. [01:06:56] Speaker A: I'm buying them high. [01:06:59] Speaker B: Well then you guys could keep them and then we'll take love. How about that? [01:07:03] Speaker A: I'll, I'll do the swap. [01:07:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:05] Speaker A: I mean you saved the money for it. Yeah. [01:07:08] Speaker B: All right. So we got divisional round next week, Saturday and Sunday. Two games a piece. Winners move on to the conference championship. I already kind of know which, which way you guys are going. You guys are always going by the favorites. Jason's going for his. [01:07:26] Speaker A: I like. Well, there's a lot of dogs this week, Rome. I like dogs this week. [01:07:31] Speaker C: Yeah. Aaron and I were talking about this before. I mean the Bear, the Bears were big dogs early and that line's coming down a little bit right now and I think, I think it comes down even more with this weather report in Chicago. [01:07:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean open four and a half down to three and a half. Broncos were one and a half point dog. That's now a pick them and then the Texans plus three. I like that. And not the, the favorite I like this week is Seattle. I think they put a pounding on the Niners. [01:07:56] Speaker B: I'll take the Dinos with the points. [01:07:58] Speaker A: I think what we saw the Texans did to the Steelers similar game with the 49ers get done to them. [01:08:05] Speaker B: I like the Texas against the Pats. [01:08:08] Speaker A: I do too. [01:08:09] Speaker B: I like the Bills. [01:08:11] Speaker A: I like the Broncos in the Bills. [01:08:13] Speaker B: No way. They haven't been that, that great at home either. And then I'm just going with the Rams to upset the Bears. [01:08:22] Speaker A: I, I, I, the favorite room. [01:08:24] Speaker B: I know their favorite but it's gonna be cold and answer Chicago Rams might. [01:08:29] Speaker A: Still win but if you can get, you know, if you got the original line at 4 and a half. I really like Chicago at 4 and a half. Too many points right now for the Rams that are traveling back to the Midwest east coast three times in four weeks. Brutal, brutal stretch for them. It's gonna be a close game. [01:08:44] Speaker B: I Think brutal. All right, I'll do it. See, by the way, man, I, I can't remember before we go, I forgot who I was listening to. But the packers playoff woes over the last, like 10, 15 years, like, it's been like devastating loss, ever devastating loss, blown leads, Kaepernick, you know, the Niners. [01:09:07] Speaker A: Especially. [01:09:10] Speaker B: You know, I think Rogers has lost his, like six, his last six playoff games as well. So he's on a losing streak on the way out. Just brutal, brutal, brutal over the last 15 years. All right, we'll switch gears and talk a little college football. We're back to recap the college football playoffs. We had the Fiesta bowl this past week. We haven't been on the. We haven't recorded since last week. Last Wednesday, right? Last Wednesday, right before the playoffs started on Thursday, it was Miami against Ole Miss, Miami's favorite by three and a half. Ole Miss played really, really good. They would not go away at all. Almost pulled it off, but Miami and Carson Beck kind of mixed bag in that game as well, but just did enough to pull it through. And the I, I just a line like, like Miami's line was just so huge. They really collapsed the pocket on Ole Miss too, especially a few times. Chambliss had some really great throws, came in the clutch, almost got that, almost brought them back down to win that. I was kind of surprised. Just like what a great game it was. It definitely hit the over. I think we were leaning on the under on this one. I can't remember. It was over 52. Over. Under 52. Aaron, you took Ole Miss with the points leaning with the Miami win, and they barely missed it by half a point. It was, it was a tight contest, but Miami is going to get the play at home next Monday. And then we have the Peach bowl with Oregon, Indiana, Indiana just playing lights out, looking like one of the most dominant teams that we've had in the past decade. Not sure how you guys feel about that, but they just manhandled Oregon and the ending score was not even close of, like, how badly they got their ass beat. So let's start off with the Fiesta. Boldo thoughts on that? We'll go from there. [01:11:21] Speaker C: Yeah, you said it kind of in the recap of that game. We talked about it in the preview and where Miami's strength is and what Mario Crystal Ball got this team like, yeah, the trenches, you know, the defensive line, the offensive line, you know, where this, where this team is able to excel. And in the past, that's where always SEC teams own the Line of scrimmage. They had all the incredible skill players, but you know, they had those, you know, big guys up front on both ends to be able to dominate. And that's what Miami has. I mean, they got a great complement of skilled players, but the offensive line making the holes for, you know, Fletcher on the ground, who had over 133 yards, Russian even at the backup, I think 54 yards rushing in the game, that opened things up for Beck. You know, Beck didn't have to be spectacular. He obviously had the interception. But you know, Marion in the past game was able to, you know, get over 100 yards receiving. And so, you know, offensively, just moving the ball through the trenches on the offensive line was there. And defensively, yeah, I mean, Chambers has been tough all year even in the elite SEC defenses to take down. And that's where I think Miami was able to keep, keep pace and keep this game tight. I mean, early on it kind of felt like, man, is, you know, is Miami just going to have this. Ole Miss was able to kind of stay in the game, you know, as they kind of exchanged touchdowns and field goals there in the fourth quarter. But all props to Miami go into this. I think this is the team we expected at the beginning of the year that they would be. Just didn't know what the in game stuff was going to be for crystal ball coaching end like we always talk about. So. But they kept true, man. They kept the running game going. They opened things up for Beck. Beck had to make plays when, when kind of necessary in the game. And I mean, is it too early to go on my SEC rant? Rome, you want me to save that or do you want me to do this? Now? [01:13:08] Speaker B: You've been on a lot of SEC rants all year, so if you want to recap what you've been doing. [01:13:13] Speaker C: It's not what I've been doing. It's just what we're talking about, you know, I mean, you. We may. We had to have the discussion about my Notre Dame Fighting Irish not getting in the turn into the playoff and it was Miami versus Notre Dame and blah, blah, blah, blah, all about that. But we had to get three loss Alabama in after they get blown out in the SEC championship game. And then we got to hear, you know, Paul Feinbomb and all these other SEC homers come out fine. Bomb's supposed to lead the country. That's what I saw. There was some interview if, if an SEC team didn't make it to the national title. He said so on something at the Beginning of the year that he was leaving the country. And so I think he should at this point because now three years in a row, there's no SEC team in the final. So we expand this thing to 12 teams and we get what, five. Aaron, five SEC teams made the house football playoff this year. [01:14:01] Speaker A: That's. That's correct. Yes. [01:14:02] Speaker C: Only one of them makes the Final Four. I know they had to play each other or whatever in some of those things, but the best team that you get in the Final Four is one that their coach left the team and then you don't even get them to the championship game. And this is supposed to be the best conference that defaults. Everything's harder in the SEC and da. [01:14:21] Speaker A: Da da da da. [01:14:22] Speaker C: And yes, that was True pre Nil 10 years ago. Everything's harder. It's no longer the case. Man. Indiana dominant. Miami, they got guys able to get to this game. You know, Oregon, you know, wasn't a great showing. We'll talk about that a little later. But still got some guys too. There is just more depth across the breadth of college football. So as we look at, you know, 10 months from now and we got to have another annoying conversation about the College Football Playoff and then we're pining over like the 9th and 10th sec school and how their, you know, three loss schedules should be in because of this and that. Like I want to remind these moments. And we get into the playoffs and the SEC's got to play other conferences. They are not far and away above everybody else. Ole Miss is a really good team. This was a really good game. However, you're still not showing up when it matters the most and your conference isn't as hard as what you're talking about. Yes, it's difficult and this and that, but your teams aren't showing up at the biggest moment and that's three years in a row right now. So Miami, Indiana, both better than the SEC schools obviously as they clear their way to the national title. But now what are we gonna be talking about? [01:15:33] Speaker A: Rome? [01:15:34] Speaker C: I'll book it. I'll book it. No, mid November, we're going to be talking about like three loss Missouri and three loss Tennessee and why they should be into the playoff versus like one loss BYU or something like that. [01:15:46] Speaker A: Hey, don't, don't forget Texas and Vanderbilt should have been in the playoff over Miami and Notre Dame as well. So that should have been like seven teams in the sec, right? Look at the sec. No longer is the top dog. It is the Big Ten. The Big Ten is overtaken them. I mean, the playoffs now have shown that three straight years. And you know, Miami with two wins in this playoff, Rome, two wins against the sec, so. And this is a team that can't even win their own conference in the last two decades. So what does that tell you where the SEC is at? Not, you know, still. Still a really good conference, but not, you know, they, they shouldn't be going to the bargain. Basically, they don't have pocket aces anymore. They can't go to the bargain table and say, we won 14 teams, six teams guaranteed, and they've lost their stake in that. That's. That's off the table. The Big Ten is now running the show. The Big Ten possibly can claim another national title here. Miami going back. I mean, look at Ole Miss. Got off to a really struggling start. Trinidad Chambers, struggle, didn't really have much rhythm going in that game early. They had what, Lacey, the running back. The hamstring injury had kind of really hampered them offensively too. He had that 75 yard TD run to start the game in the second quarter. Doesn't play the rest of that half. Then he comes back and kind of in and out, not sure where he was at. We've talked about Miami, the defense, the trenches and all that, but Miami wins if Carson Beck does what? Doesn't turn the ball over. Yeah, he had one turnover, but you look at their losses. He had three, he had two. They turned the ball over a lot. Miami gets in trouble. They basically, like Jason said, run the ball good. And situationally, Carson Beck has made big plays with his arm. And in this game is Lake right. He didn't force any throws. Hey, let me get outside the pocket. Let me run into touchdown with 18 seconds left, whatever it was, you're going to the national championship at your own home stadium. It's a great win for Miami. You know, Mario Crystal ball, he's an interesting guy, man. I mean, guys got more facial expressions than you can bring. You're like, he know, he's real tense, like, I'll get fiery, pump fist, all that kind of stuff. He's like a Dan Campbell of the college game at Miami. That's who he reminds me. [01:17:43] Speaker B: Animated afterwards. [01:17:44] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, so I mean, he's, he's your typical ex, you know, lineman, football coach. Just like, oh, get up in there. And for Miami, man, it's good for them, I think. I think it's going to be a really good national title game against Indiana. Better than people think. I, I love, I love Miami getting the points in this game. [01:18:04] Speaker B: What's the points right now? [01:18:05] Speaker A: It's gone up to eight and a half. So not a lot of respect right now for Miami. I think Miami can hang and play with Indiana, so. But I mean look, they got good defense, good run game. There's tough in the trenches. Trinidad, Chambliss, I mean that second half Romeo touched on, he was, he was on fire. He was lighting him up. You know, he was getting it going. If there have been more time left in that game like we've seen in the NFL playoffs, give a guy two minutes. I think Ole Miss comes back and probably wins that game. But for the U. Look, we never said they didn't deserve to be in the playoff. You can make the argument should they been over Notre Dame. They were one of the best 12 teams all year. We already talked about James Madison. Tulane had no business being in this playoff and that, that showed basically Oregon blows them out, beats Texas Tech. Texas Tech I think is going to be a lot better next year now that they got a five star quarterback coming in the transfer portal. So they're gonna be a team to be reckoned with for sure. But the sec, yeah, they've got, they got some issues. You know, they got Sam Levitt going to LSU it sounds like. So they got, you know, looks like Lane Kibbon's got his quarterback in the future. I think Texas is loading up in the transfer portal. They're going to be really good next year. But it's going to be interesting being the big 10 sec. I think the ACC will get better as well and the big 12 obviously with Texas Tech. So it's going to be a tough road going forward with nil money being spread out evenly. Guys are spending money. You got big booster mark Cuban's dropping 5, 10, 15 mil, whatever he's dropping on the Indiana rock. [01:19:28] Speaker B: I still think the SEC is still pretty deep though, man. Like the teams at the bottom are, are pretty competitive. [01:19:35] Speaker C: The SEC still, the SEC is still good and I don't want to get that in there. Like they have really, they have really good teams. They, they. Do you want to say they care more? Yeah, they do care more. Like I like overall the conference, like their fan base is embedded into what college football is. You know, just deep. It's not, it's, it is built different 100%. But now you're, you're in a game here where, hey, the local Alabama car dealership is able to maybe, you know, finesse things in the pre NI era to get guys to come to town. Now major markets, you Know bigger cities with bigger boosters that hey, they can be over the top paying guys to make sure things are won. Like it makes things a lot different for how, you know, you're able to secure stuff. Miami, I, I always hear about this Miami and usc and maybe USC hasn't got back to where they're at through. But hey big cities where everything's kind of. You got big newspapers, big media outlets like the, the local Tuscaloosa and beat Writer isn't going to be doing an investigative piece about some, you know, five star recruit that got such and such paid under the table in la. They're going to be tracking down Reggie Bush's parents on what new house he got down in San Diego or something like that because you know we got all the, the other media investigation. So it was, it's different during those times and now, hey, big boosters that went to these universities every which way is like I want to see my team be good. Hey, I'm gonna make sure, I'm gonna buy X quarterback or get this, that and the other to make it. Because this is big business now too. We talked about the different stuff on like private equity money and where this stuff gets in. Like football is king whether it's professional or college. And now college football is going to find another level of profits and if I can make Indiana University into the heavyweight they are and then okay, all of a sudden I got money for flowing into this university that ways people are going to make these investments because they're going to be a return on it. [01:21:37] Speaker B: Well, what Indiana has done has been impressive, man. What say Nandy has done in this two years? [01:21:42] Speaker A: It is, but it does, it doesn't happen with nil and it doesn't happen about money. [01:21:47] Speaker B: Yeah, but who else has done it? Like this is like unprecedented. Like this is like crazy. [01:21:52] Speaker A: I mean look what cursing nanny's done at Indiana is crazy. But if, you know, if we're, if we go back five, six years ago, no way Indiana is this good right now. I mean they just want to be able to buy players, transfer portal, all that. I mean you can go from being a bad team to really good overnight. [01:22:10] Speaker B: Yeah, but still like that. This is still an anomaly. Like how good they became. No one's doing that. Like you still can't get there. [01:22:20] Speaker C: It's the best you're gonna tell me. [01:22:21] Speaker B: But Missouri's gonna become a national champion in like two years. [01:22:26] Speaker C: Yes. [01:22:27] Speaker A: Look at Vanderbilt, look at Vanderbilt guys. Yeah, I mean Vanderbilt's been a laughing stock of college football my Entire life. Even Nick Saban for the last two years on TV is laughed. And now he's like, I can't talk on them. They're. They're real. They're legit. They're spending money now. [01:22:44] Speaker C: I, I think when you look at the transfer portal and how many guys are kind of like, available, you know, Rome. And you can make these quick fixes. I mean, this is, you know, you gotta get a lot of cap space on the NFL or whatever. Like, is okay. I can make some quick advancements. I mean, Signetti doing it better than most. Like, I had talking to friends this weekend. Is he gonna be up, he wins the national championship. Is this the type of guy that's gonna be like, all right, I'm gonna go to the NFL now? [01:23:10] Speaker A: Because, like, I, I don't. I don't think so. [01:23:12] Speaker C: I don't think so. [01:23:13] Speaker A: 94 million dollar deal at Indiana. Why would you go to the NFL and get fired in three years? [01:23:18] Speaker C: I agree, because I think, I think these guys like Signetti, that, hey, they've got. They could be a master of this era and how this works. I mean, some guys aren't built for. [01:23:26] Speaker B: This because that's like that Saban aura. He just, he's really confident. Saban, yeah, he's building something there, but it's different. [01:23:36] Speaker C: Saban got out because he didn't like the way this was going and what he was gonna have to do to get there. [01:23:40] Speaker A: But I don't think Alabama. I don't think Alabama has as much money as some of these other schools. I mean, another thing about Indiana, let's just be honest, Indiana last year had the easy. They basically had the, the Patriots schedule of the NFL equivalent to last year. They didn't play anybody. They played two teams and they got smoked by 40 on both games. So Indiana was highly overrated last year. And then we came into this year and we're like, oh, maybe they're not that good. And then, oh, Mendoza went from an okay, good quarterback at Cal to now, like, oh, you put some real talent around them and some other nil guys. And they, to Signetti's credit, they beefed up where they weren't good at along the trenches, added an, Added an elite quarterback with some more skilled players because he is a great, like you mentioned, Rome talent evaluator. That was what he was. He was Nick Saban's recruiting coordinator. [01:24:28] Speaker B: Mendoza came from Cal like he, He. [01:24:31] Speaker A: He wasn't Cal even make a bowl game as when in the two years he started. I don't Think so. [01:24:36] Speaker C: Let's go. [01:24:39] Speaker B: With Oregon. He was with ucla, and now people are saying he's the best quarterback going to the draft. [01:24:44] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:24:44] Speaker B: Like, it's. It's kind of weird. Like, yeah, he got killed. [01:24:48] Speaker A: Now Oregon's got your boy Raiola signed there, so. [01:24:51] Speaker B: I did. Yeah, I did see that. All right, back, though, back to this Miami game and Ole Miss before we go. It just seemed like I had to look it up because it seemed like Miami controlled the whole game. Like, despite it being only 31, 27, they had time, possession, 41 minutes. Ole Miss took advantage of the whole 18 minutes that they had the ball. Like, they just. Especially the second half. I think if Lane Kiffin was coaching this game, though, I really like this matchup. I would have definitely think that Ole Miss wins this one and it's like that big. What if. What if he got a chance to coach this team? I know they played lights out because it was like, kind of like the mentality to their coach, but this was the game that they could use Kiffin in. Like, this was a perfect link. If it. He would have out coached, I think, Miami's coach by a mile. So that's been, like, stuck in the back of my head since that game. [01:25:44] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't disagree. I. I know, though, thinking back to before that Mississippi State game where they were kind of, like, pushing him to make a decision X, Y, and Z. And. And why this was taking so long, because it was probably weighing on him that this is a great opportunity there. This is a great team I have. And you see how far, you know, they go to the Final Four, basically, of this. And if. If you don't have all of the program description and you have him and the entire staff all kind of locked in. In the focus, like, you know, is it different? I don't know. It might not be. It may be like, they may be playing with a chip on their shoulder because my, you know, he left, and now these guys are like, okay, you left us here, and they had a different level. But I think it is a great what if? Because we could be looking back three years from now, four years from now at lsu. What's going to be Lane's success? Does he get back to this point with lsu, or is he gonna be like, man, you had your opportunity, left it on the table, and you never got to the same heights as lsu. [01:26:43] Speaker B: One thing about Lane, like, everyone says, he doesn't win wherever he goes, but he's. He's done pretty well at his last few stops. You Got Florida International or whatever it was. Atlantic. [01:26:53] Speaker C: Atlantic. [01:26:53] Speaker B: Competitive in year one, two. What was the other one? [01:26:58] Speaker A: Well, he had Tennessee, was there for a year, and then usc, right, usc. [01:27:02] Speaker C: Yep. [01:27:03] Speaker A: Was he two years, three years? Well, yeah, but I mean, I think Rome, to your point, he's never really hung around in a place long enough to build it up like Ole Miss. He kind of this. What was he, five years, six years at Ole Miss? [01:27:15] Speaker B: I think. [01:27:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:27:16] Speaker B: Fifth or sixth year. [01:27:17] Speaker A: But was he two years or three years before USC got rid of him because they fired him at the airport on the target. Right. [01:27:22] Speaker B: That's way before the. The Tennessee gig. Because Tennessee was. [01:27:26] Speaker A: Tennessee was first. Yeah, he did one year Tennessee and jump ship, then jump. That's why he hates them. Yeah. [01:27:33] Speaker B: Well, yeah, but then he. [01:27:35] Speaker A: I mean, I get it. Yeah. [01:27:37] Speaker B: Florida Atlantic. I think he's gonna definitely turn around lsu. So. [01:27:42] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, well, lsu, be patient with them, you know, that'll be key. I mean, I think I. I think Lane Kiffin. There's two things I don't. I think. I don't believe he thinks this team could have won a national title. That's why I think he jumped ship. If he believed these guys could have. I think he would have stayed. I think if you look at how he's doing, his whole assistant coaches, him to get beat by Georgia like everybody did. He basically was like, I ain't got to worry about my assistant coaches. They're going to get beat by Georgia. Then they lost or they won. And he was like, oh, like, ah, Who. Who am I going to give you guys? I don't want to give you. [01:28:11] Speaker B: Nobody expected. [01:28:12] Speaker A: Yeah, he looked, you know, he got egg on his face. Right. He basically says, I care about the team, but he really doesn't care about the team because he took half the coaches. And then, you know, they got coaches on the sideline for Ole Miss. They got a guy from East Carolina that's taken over as the OC next year. [01:28:26] Speaker B: I think it's so much about the team. I. I think it's more like, like, you know, do you. Do you want to drive a Chevy or do you want to drive a Ferrari? You know, he's basically drive. [01:28:36] Speaker A: That's basically what he said. He says, ellis, use a better job than Ole Miss. [01:28:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's okay. [01:28:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:28:44] Speaker B: But he had a really nice car. [01:28:45] Speaker A: Is it. Is it a better job if he's not there? So, I mean, if. If, say, he stays at Ole Miss and who knows who lse would have hired? Would Ole Miss still be Considered better have a higher, you know, pathway going forward than, say, whoever LSU brought in. [01:29:01] Speaker B: What he's done, what's like Denny has done with Indian, I think it's very similar. Lane Kiffin, he actually looked happy. I think he was building something really cool. We'll see if he. If he regrets the decision. But I think Lane Kiffin was sorely missed in a game like against Miami. I. I think they would have won at least by a touchdown or so against Miami. [01:29:23] Speaker A: I think they would have got beat by Georgia if they had Lane Kiffin. Possibly. He always gets owned by Georgia personally. [01:29:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Kirby Smart has his number. [01:29:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Still does. [01:29:32] Speaker C: Definitely could have been it. I think it'll be the one great what if from. And I think it's a good question. But going to lsu, there's obviously something behind there when it comes to resources, and that's what these guys are looking at. And LSU definitely, historically has more resources, has a better, you know, culture of getting talent and whatever. The recruiting is going to be there. When it comes to LSU's, like, history versus what ole miss is at. I mean, like, Lane, long, long time. I mean, the guy was coaching at Florida. Atlantically, you talk about Boca Raton, you know, down in Florida and goes to Ole Miss and just talking about, like, the Brown Lake or whatever is in Oxford in Mississippi, like, it's a different place. And going down to lsu, like, hey, this, this has got national championship history and boosters that are gonna, hey, this is. This is the check. [01:30:18] Speaker A: So I think. I think Kiffin will do good at lsu. Just. Will LSU be patient with them? Like, is this going to be one of these things where, like, I don't. [01:30:28] Speaker B: Think Brian Kelly should have ever been hired. I. I think Ellis, I think. I think Kiffin's made for lsu if he wins. [01:30:35] Speaker A: If you win, you're made for lsu. I mean, look at Ed Orgeron. If you would have told me Ed Orgeron would have fitted in as a head coach at lsu. [01:30:43] Speaker B: I like it. [01:30:43] Speaker A: I would have never. I mean, look, they had what Les Miles was there for, what, 13, 14, 15 years. Yeah. I mean, they haven't had a guy like Lane Kiffin at LSU since a young Nick Saban. [01:30:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:55] Speaker A: Let's just be honest. Yeah. [01:30:58] Speaker B: Well, I never liked lsu, only the Joe Burrow year. [01:31:01] Speaker A: And that might be the greatest college football team of the last of this century, to be honest. [01:31:06] Speaker B: Good team. [01:31:06] Speaker A: That was a good team. [01:31:07] Speaker B: Joe Burrow, come to the Steelers, man. Well, treat you well. Treat you well. Let's make it happen. I had a Dream about it the other day. It was really weird dreaming about quarterbacks on your team. [01:31:22] Speaker C: You need one. Steelers need one. [01:31:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:31:26] Speaker B: All right, so let's go switch gears to the Peach Bowl. Oregon, Indiana. It was 56 to 22, but it was never that close. Oregon got some points in the second half, but honestly it was done in the second quarter. I can't remember what the score was. Maybe you guys can refresh my memory. It was just a little too long. I feel like it was like 30 something to 7 or 14 at the half. [01:31:52] Speaker A: Room 35. 7 at the half. [01:31:54] Speaker B: It was an ass whooping, dude. It was an ass whooping. They didn't belong. Mendoza, I'm not sold on him on being the best quarterback coming out or like if he's the rife guy. I think he's getting eaten alive in the NFL especially ends up in the Raiders. That's my opinion. But he seems like a nice guy. Says all the right things. A little too cheesy for my taste. But he completely eviscerated this Oregon defense. [01:32:18] Speaker A: And. [01:32:20] Speaker B: I gotta be honest with you man, like I, I just, I it. I was not expecting like a. This much of an ass whooping like. Like a quadruple down, you know. Was not saying this. [01:32:34] Speaker C: I don't think the blowout was something we can see. But I think Aaron questioned Oregon's team the entire season of like this could be a potential outcome because they just, they weren't as good as last season. They did get the favorable kind of pull in the bracket right now to get into this position. Never really had the really convincing win really throughout the year. Not one that really jumps off is. [01:32:57] Speaker A: Their biggest win beating USC at home. I mean who doesn't USC at home nowadays? No, that was Texas Tech. [01:33:05] Speaker C: Yeah. So I think that was to the point where man like in Indiana I guess we've just been doubting them all year. And Oregon, this isn't the team from a year ago. I, I see what you're saying about Mendoza for the pros. Rome I think entirely depends on what coach they're bringing in. Like what's the investment that Raiders team's going to make. So like I think there is a universe where he's. He's going to be really good in the pros and But I, I think the situation with the right like the talent around him don't love it like the offensive line, they got a ton to do there. What's the coach is going to bring in to develop him or if it, if they're trying to get leadership guy. What's the offensive staff to go in? So like that's, that's the match. I think you're looking at, I think unanimous where he's at. I think coming out of that game the more person I'm concerned about is more if he goes to the jets because that looks like his future in that game would be like the jets game right there. And I know a lot of people on Twitter were saying that too. His man, he. That game didn't look great. For more and he goes to the Jets. I think it just looks just as bad. [01:34:07] Speaker B: Well like a lot of the talk before the game was like if Dante Moore has a big game, he might be the first one. [01:34:12] Speaker A: Well, Mel Kuiper Jr. Has Dante Moore ahead of Monte was. Yeah. [01:34:16] Speaker B: And then he gets killed. Dude, he got, he got sacked. Look it, I mean that turnovers, some fumbles that led to touchdowns. It was like complete like, like the worst case scenario for more. But he's only had like what like one or two seasons of starting. [01:34:31] Speaker A: I think he's made 20 starts. He played for a bad UCLA team. [01:34:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:34:35] Speaker A: You know Chip Kelly's last year. I, I've heard there's a chance he could still stay at Oregon and. Right. Well it could redshirt. Yeah. You know, hey, why not collect 2 million in red shirt. That's not a bad gig if you're part of that family. I will get. I'm not big on more. I mean I see he's got arm talent, decent mobility. I would take Mendoza over them and to Jason's point, I mean more at the Jets, I mean that's. He's going to end up looking like Justin Fields and all the other guys. [01:35:02] Speaker B: That have gone there. [01:35:03] Speaker A: This is not going to end well. Doesn't look good. So Mendoza, Rome like you guys touched on. I mean obviously the Raiders have the number one pick. It's. Unless they trade out, they're probably going to take a quarterback and Mendoza would likely be the candidate. I mean he's a big guy, big arm, six five. He can, he can run. You know, he's a bit quirky, nerdy, kind of like an Andrew Luck. How he talks, you know, I mean he, he always talks a big game. He seems like a nice guy, smart, intelligent guy. Obviously he knows you know how to read defenses, make some big time throws. I like him. But you know, to you guys's point, I mean a lot of these quarterbacks that are average are good. What do they have one thing in common? They got a good OC So guy calling the play. So you give him a guy. You put him on the Raiders team this year. He looked terrible. I don't, I don't care. He would look bad. And the Raiders might win one more game than what they did. But Indiana blew them out. I mean, what, I mean Oregon, just the stupid turnovers. I mean, first play was a pick six. Rome, I think you, you commented on it like right off the bat, like first place to pick six. Like the two drives later, it's a fumble because the, the pass, he goes to throw the pass, it hits the running back's helmet as he goes by on the play action, it's a fumble. Like you don't even blink. It's 287 and literally in. If you take the turnovers out of the game, it's a 28, 22 game. Basically, Indiana scored on short fields and basically a pick six because they got the ball inside the 20 like four times off turnovers. You eliminate that. You got to use the game. They still lose. But yeah, I mean, Oregon, I think even the announcers in Oregon said, like, we don't expect to really win a national title until 2026, 2027. Their roster is young but talented. So, yeah, Oregon was ahead of schedule like Jason mentioned and we talked about all year. Dan Lenny said a great job there, but he's losing both his coordinators. You know, Curtis Ignati, he's going to keep both his coordinators this year, but they'll be gone next year because they're going to be hot coaches. These guys are going to get paid 6,8 million to go somewhere else. So we're talking about players going places, but elite coaches and coordinators are going to get jobs and jump and get gigs coming up here soon as well. [01:37:05] Speaker B: So any, any thoughts from the. The. The peaceful. I stopped watching it pretty early, to. [01:37:10] Speaker A: Be honest with you. [01:37:12] Speaker C: I, I would, I would say I was out pretty early too, given in that second quarter. So, yeah, not a lot of thoughts. I. This feels. I mean, we'll get into official predictions, but man, Sigdetti is making it hard to really go against him in a lot of point in a lot of areas right now. He's just, he's laying it on, man. He. This is like his national championship to lose. [01:37:30] Speaker B: It feels like right now I think they put a pounding on Miami. [01:37:34] Speaker A: Here's the funny thing. I think Miami's the most difficult matchup of all the teams in the playoffs for Kurt Signetti. I, I think Miami crystal ball. He makes a ton of mistakes, but He's a rah rah guy, right? So he's going to his team. Hey, look at Signetti. He thinks we're dog. He thinks he's gonna beat us up in the trenches. He's taught he's. He's getting this team so fired up. Miami's gonna come out and play. I love Miami plus eight and a half. I'm not saying they win, but it's the. It's the luck of the national championship year. I love Miami 8 1/2. I would pound them and pound them hard. I think it's a close game. [01:38:11] Speaker C: It is a lot of points getting for a home team at a home team as well. The neutral site. Yeah. [01:38:17] Speaker A: Indiana does travel well. Rome. They'll have a good contingency crowd there. What was it, 80% of the fans there? 85 were a home crowd for them. [01:38:24] Speaker B: That was wild. [01:38:25] Speaker A: You know, Miami, I think it's going to be probably 50, 50, 60, 40. Indiana might have more fans, but I think, I think Miami, they want to be the underdog. That's what they've been the whole year, the misfits. We didn't belong in the playoff. Crystal ball have these guys built up. They're going to get after Mendoza. I think it's going to be a great national championship close game. I think Indiana ultimately probably wins it, but again, I'll take eight and a half all day. [01:38:50] Speaker B: Are we gonna do a preview or we're just gonna stick to the, like the. It's not much a preview, right? You either like them or you don't. [01:38:58] Speaker A: I mean, we could do a preview. Well, that game's on a Monday. I mean, we could do a preview whenever we do our next, you know, football preview for NFL divisional games. I don't know if Thursday. [01:39:10] Speaker B: What are you leaning right now, Jason? [01:39:12] Speaker C: Eileen. I agree with Aaron. I. I think it's a lot of points right now. And we talked, you know, battle in the trenches. Both teams right there. Miami has the ability to keep it close compared to like Oregon and. And kind of what these teams going there like. I think there's. I think the Beck turnover at probably be the untimely would be something that would maybe lose them the game or swing that into turning it, you know, blowing it open to beyond the touchdown. But eight and a half's a lot of points for a national title game that is at your home site. And I don't think Miami shied away from. From some of these games so far this year. [01:39:50] Speaker A: I think once we get more into the preview, Indiana's played what, three good teams this year. I mean Oregon the first time, close game. Say what you want about Penn State. Penn State was as talented as any team in the country. They fell apart, but they took them to the wire was a one point win for Indiana, I believe. [01:40:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:40:07] Speaker A: And then Ohio State was a three point victory. So I think, you know, Jason's touched on a lot. Miami talent wise is as good as those teams. And it's a home game, it's gonna be a good game. But yeah, eight and a half. It was seven and a half. Went to eight and a half. I love, I liked it at seven and a half. I, I love it at eight and a half. Heck if it goes to nine. But I, I got a feeling, I got a feeling some Miami money, South beach, you know, yacht, cocaine, whatever. The money is going to come in late here on Miami. Get that line down a little bit. They showed up against Ohio State when that line went from nine to seven before kickoff. So somebody, somebody in Miami, some booster in Miami's got a lot of money, they're gonna back down. So I'd get that eight and a half now. [01:40:50] Speaker B: They did, yeah. All right, any other comments for the semifinals? Fiesta or Peach, college football in general transfers, you guys kind of covered everything. [01:41:02] Speaker C: The portals are wide open right now. I think I did. Once this is over, I'll be curious on college football format play or the playoff changes. You know what, what, what are conference is potentially gonna do? You know, I know there's the Notre Dame thing. I don't know if there's any more news on keeping out, you know, a two group of five scenario. You know, is there ways, I mean the ACC still. I'm on my shit list right now for allowing like the Duke, whoever, you know, ACC title game, like fixing that up so we're getting the right, right teams in there. But I, I'll be curious on and what that, what that will be. [01:41:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. Got to get that cleaned up. I think the ACC is looking at that towards more of a, you know, final ranking system. That kind of when you got five team tiebreaker transfer portals going. Right now, I think you've got till the 16th of January to declare whether or not you're going to enter and whatnot. And it'd be interesting. The NCAA denied Trinidad Chamlis a six year waiver. I know that's probably gonna go to the Supreme Court. It looks like there's, whatever courts are. [01:42:07] Speaker B: Going to go to gets granted. He has no, they're using like an injury thing yeah, they're using like a. [01:42:14] Speaker A: Illness waiver or something. They were trying to use. Yeah, it he didn't supply the sufficient evidence. I think I like to see him in the NFL anyways. I think he's a third, fourth, fifth round draft pick right now anyway. So I'm guys like him that have. [01:42:29] Speaker B: Really good careers in like Division 3, 2, whatever, then have like another one. Division 1. They've done pretty well in the NFL. It's guys like him. I, I, I think maybe he has the best chance of having a big impact in that and in the NFL if he goes pro. [01:42:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean like I said, I think he's, you know, third round, fourth round, fifth round, whatever he projects to good speed, he's got good arm. I mean the only down, the only downside is he's 6 foot 5, 11, 3 quarters whatever he is. Right. I mean we're kind of seeing smaller quarterbacks now struggle. Your prototypical quarterback is now six four to six, six. But yeah, be interesting to see if he gets that waiver because if he does, he comes back to Ole Miss. If not, the other backup quarterbacks already transferred to Missouri, so it'd be interesting to see who their quarterback is since they don't really have one on the roster right now. [01:43:12] Speaker B: Ole Miss got somebody else already. I can't remember from who they might have. [01:43:17] Speaker A: Did they? [01:43:17] Speaker B: Yeah, they did. Here, let's look it up. [01:43:20] Speaker A: Yeah, look it up. [01:43:21] Speaker B: It's Auburn's quarterback, Knight. [01:43:25] Speaker A: Oh, I don't, I don't even know who he is. They got to get somebody else. [01:43:29] Speaker B: He's a feist or he's a four. [01:43:31] Speaker A: Yeah, he was, he was third. He was third string. I think on that team this year there's a reason why Auburn won four games. Rome, they're number one or number two quarterback transfer to Florida State. So I'm not too hyped on that either, so. [01:43:41] Speaker B: Oh, really? Yeah, dude crazy. All right, we'll see what happens in the transfer portal. I think Nebraska's making some moves as well. I haven't heard anything about ucla. [01:43:54] Speaker A: Well, they don't even think Aikman for giving him money, so they already lost that pocket, right? Policy. [01:43:58] Speaker B: That's policy, man. [01:44:01] Speaker A: The guy gives you shout outs every Monday night for football and you can't even give him a thank you. [01:44:06] Speaker C: Just need a thanks. [01:44:06] Speaker A: That's rough, man. It's crazy, dude. That's rough, dude. I mean, we give, you give UCLA more love than anything right here. [01:44:13] Speaker B: Rome, I do. [01:44:15] Speaker A: Texas, spending money. Oklahoma, spending a lot of money, dude. [01:44:19] Speaker B: Tax is going to look good next year. I'm liking that one. [01:44:21] Speaker A: I think. Texas. Yeah. I mean, we'll see. I don't know if they hired a new defensive coordinator. [01:44:26] Speaker B: I don't know. [01:44:27] Speaker A: I don't know if they've hired a new guy yet or not. [01:44:30] Speaker B: I've been a little overwhelmed. Like, this whole thing's happening. You know, Football's been crazy to end the year. Really good playoffs so far, though. It's a good playoffs. All right. [01:44:41] Speaker A: We'll see what next year looks like. [01:44:42] Speaker B: Rome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What else happened? I wanted to mention it quickly, But I can't remember now. [01:44:50] Speaker C: Well, if we're out of football, Roman at rome, the top of the show, you said wanted to talk football. We did that. Just want to make sure you got that out of the way. [01:44:57] Speaker B: I think. I think we covered that almost two hours deep. [01:45:01] Speaker A: Okay. [01:45:01] Speaker C: Just want to make sure. I would say, big motorsports news out there. Rome. I don't know if you heard about the chase. The chase is back. [01:45:08] Speaker B: The chase? Yeah. [01:45:09] Speaker C: The chase is back for nascar. Aaron, you familiar with the chase? [01:45:13] Speaker B: Because everyone complained, all the fans complained. They finally got changed happening. [01:45:17] Speaker C: It was terrible. I'm pretty sure I went on like an hour rant While aaron was off that one day at the end, Just hosing Denny hamlin for. For the championship. Yeah. So the. The chase is back. I'll be honest. Still don't love the chase, but is significantly better than the elimination crap. They've been doing for the last 14 years or whatever the heck, you know, playoff system nascar's had. But the chase is back, and I think that's a huge win for nascar car. [01:45:44] Speaker A: They're already hyping Daytona coming up here in about a month as they shoot. [01:45:48] Speaker C: The super bowl of. Of motor racing. I think that's what they call it. But it's really the Indy 500. But anyways, yeah, Daytona hyping up there. But the chase, if. If you just, you know, questions about what that is, you know, the chase was 2004 to 2013. It was in place. It was the first introductory quote, unquote, postseason for nascar. So it isn't just a, you know, point system that goes, you know, throughout the season, like the rest of Formula One, IndyCar, other motorsports around the world. But the chase basically reset and put a final 10, final 12, you know, but then it was kind of like a 10 race, you know, points, elimination. Well, no, the chase was an elimination. Basically, it was like you reset them and the final 10 races, those. It is going to be I think 16 drivers. [01:46:33] Speaker B: I actually didn't like the Chase when, whenever he said it. I think that's why I stopped watching racing. [01:46:39] Speaker C: I don't like it either because it robbed Jeff Gordon of championships because Jeff Gordon was, was Mr. Consistency over the 30 plus races. So I still have. [01:46:47] Speaker A: So basically you get points and then at the end the top guys get to compete for the final 10 races. But as long as you make it. [01:46:54] Speaker B: In the top 10, you're in and starts all over. It's like a brand new season starts. [01:46:58] Speaker A: So you could be like a 10 seed, but you're really like a one seed and you get a chance to go again. That's how it sounds potentially. [01:47:05] Speaker C: You get, you get premium point sliding basically. [01:47:07] Speaker A: I mean it gives me a chance to win. It sounds like my copy of competition could be dance and reset the field. [01:47:13] Speaker C: You get premium slotting. So if you're first overall you got like a 25 point lead over second place and that kind of descends from there. So if you, if you top in the regular season, you start the Chase with you know, more points ahead, you know, to reward you for the regular season. But the current format was like okay, you, these are races and if you don't finish, you're just eliminated out of the first like round. And then I get down to that final four and when you get to the last race, only four drivers could win and like some luck things happen. Down to like it's a one game winner take all stuff which they're trying to create some game seven crap. But overall like motorsports, like that's not how it works. Like it pays off. Consistency in how you're finishing races and I think at least the 10 game samples a little bit more. I don't, like I said Rome, I don't love it because I still would like like Formula one and the other like hey, this is the whole season. We work towards it. You need to be good in every race. But I think this is at least is something that is, you know, a little more to even on like how to decide who the champion is for nascar. [01:48:12] Speaker B: No, yeah, it's pretty exciting. I, I think it's great that everyone spoke up how they hated the way this last year ended and yeah, dude, I was kind of surprised that they announced it today. That was awesome. [01:48:24] Speaker C: Well, it was a big deal at the end of the season. Like I've hated this for a long time. I was talking with my dad about it actually because you know, we were, you know, as younger we were big into nascar. Like you know Jeff Gordon was really my era, and I think that's when I started. [01:48:37] Speaker B: Is that your guy? [01:48:38] Speaker C: That was my guy, man. [01:48:39] Speaker B: I didn't like Jeff Gordon. [01:48:40] Speaker C: No. I mean, you hate him or love him, but, you know, he was. [01:48:43] Speaker B: He was the train cruise face. I always won the punch face. [01:48:47] Speaker C: I mean. I mean, he was the transition of the era. When you think of. I don't. Did you watch the Earnhardt documentary on Amazon? [01:48:54] Speaker A: No. [01:48:55] Speaker B: Should I? [01:48:55] Speaker C: It's really good. It's really on Amazon. It's on Amazon, Yeah. Dale Earnhardt Jr. And his sister, I think, you know, executive produce and stuff. Four parts, really great documentary. But the Earnhardt to Gordon transition really is kind of that thing, because NASCAR forever was like that southern sport. Like, it's. It is. It is about the South. We run all these south, like, dirt tracks, and where it is, Jeff Gordon comes in. And that was really when NASCAR really took its big step into another level of celebrity where Gordon's this West coast guy and, you know, they start racing all these different places around. It's got a more of a national appeal, bigger sponsors, like you said. But yet Gordon was my guy. But the Chase at that time, really post 2001, after Gordon's last championship, like, he never caught on in the Chase. It was really the Jimmy Johnson era, his teammate. And actually Gordon coned his car a little bit that won that, but it's. It was a different time. But I think it's good that it's back. I think nascar, when I was talking to my dad, like, really, like, hating the playoff and where it's at, it just wasn't. It wasn't the kind of. The NASCAR we were used to because we. We missed some dominance because there was just, like, some fluky champions. There was never, like, you know, you kind of. You kind of root for a. Root for somebody against. You think of, like, Earnhardt, and he was like, everyone hated him until they loved him. Gordon, they hated him until they loved him. Like, I think the Jimmy Johnson era kind of started this where, like, he was kind of neutral party and there really wasn't in it. And then Dale Earnhardt Jr. Never got that big victory where, like, I think everybody wanted, like, that was. If you're talking wrestling, Dale Earnhardt Jr. Was the big baby face that they wanted to win the championship and just never. And just never got it. [01:50:33] Speaker B: Crazy. [01:50:35] Speaker A: Nah. [01:50:35] Speaker B: Good stuff. That's all I got. We're good to go. [01:50:41] Speaker C: We're good to go. [01:50:43] Speaker A: Two hours in, I think we're good to go. Rome started at 8:40, if I remember. Got on my notes and it's now 10:35. [01:50:50] Speaker B: Wow. You take notes now? [01:50:52] Speaker A: All up here, brother. [01:50:53] Speaker B: All right, I'll do it. A nice two hour Bill Simmons esque pod. Love it. [01:51:02] Speaker A: Maybe we'll get on Netflix. You never know. [01:51:04] Speaker C: Number 16, limitless. If you know, you know. [01:51:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:51:10] Speaker B: All right, we are done. Catch the source on the Sofa, on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify. Wherever you listen to your podcasts, we are out.