NFL Week 17 Recap including Crap Christmas Games, Fumbled Opportunities, and Michigan's New HC

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:03] Speaker B: What's up? It's been a while since we've been on, but we're here to recap week 17 in the NFL and possibly some bowl games if you want to recap that as well as some pretty exciting ones happen. We had the Pop Tart bowl, which was bowl of the year. Best bowl game of the year so far. Pretty exciting, including who got cooked at the end. Weird post game celebrations all around for that game, but I kind of dug how awkward it was. It was only fitting to end this year with stuff like that. Then week 17 definitely did not disappoint with Monday Night Football. Falins coming away with a big dub against the LA Rams. All these teams, man, with nothing to play for, just showing out in the last few weeks of the year. I love it because where was this game play early in the year? Nobody knows. Nobody knows, but they do it. It's like this is how they should have looked six weeks ago, being competitive and they just showed out. There was a lot of examples of that this weekend. Lots of good stuff. I'm not surprised by this, this outcome. By the way, the Falcons winning at home 27, 24. It did get exciting. It looked like a blow in the beginning, but Ramsay came back a couple times and then nice 51 yard field goal to kind of cap off a nice, nice big win. Not to end the year yet. It's not over yet, but seven to nine, definitely a lot better than what they were heading towards. So thoughts initially on this Monday night game before we recap the rest of what happened this weekend since Christmas. It was Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Four days of games are a five game stretch. Pretty intense with some college football in between. A terrible fight. Jake Paul, I believe was in there as well. Don't know, everything's kind of a blur. And then I'm dealing with my own fights on my side of the world as well. So I'll bring that up as well. [00:02:06] Speaker C: Was the Jake Paul fight since the last time we record? It's been that long? [00:02:10] Speaker A: No, we recorded last Monday. [00:02:12] Speaker B: Right. [00:02:12] Speaker A: So that Jake Paul fight was on that Friday. [00:02:14] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:02:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:16] Speaker C: So I was like, I knew it. [00:02:17] Speaker A: Had been a while. [00:02:18] Speaker C: You know, we took, you know, we took the. Feels like a break a little bit. But yeah, wasn't sure. I mean it was a terrible fight and you know, just a disgrace to boxing overall. [00:02:29] Speaker A: But I agree with that. But I mean, you know, once Jake Paul decided to fight, he broke his jaw. [00:02:36] Speaker B: So yeah, good, good. [00:02:38] Speaker A: I'm happy I did see the guy that won. He Was in an accident. And was it Nigeria today or, you know, yesterday. [00:02:45] Speaker B: That's where he's from that killed a couple people. [00:02:47] Speaker C: Yeah, his, I think his trainer and somebody else that were in the front seat of the car. [00:02:53] Speaker B: Really Is his trainer. [00:02:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I. I forgot who it was, but it was two people close. Like two of his best friends and two people that were close to him as far as his training camp. [00:03:02] Speaker B: Damn, that's rough. [00:03:04] Speaker A: That is. Yeah. [00:03:06] Speaker B: Christmas, man. Interesting time of the year. I'll get into my stuff later on the drama that I've been dealing with, but thoughts on this Monday Night Football. [00:03:16] Speaker C: Game from you wanted to start the podcast, I think about an hour ago. Said it was a boring game and I. I just didn't know. You know, I know some of us out there have YouTube TV. There's a little bit of a broadcast delay. Wasn't sure if, you know, you're maybe a half hour behind or something, understanding maybe you're at halftime at that point. But I mean, you texted us and you know, I was dancing on the Rams grave a little bit because I got a lot of Rams fans in my life and a lot of crap they're talking over the Bears Los. Oh, yeah. I mean, down here there's a bunch of Rams fans and you know, they're talking about a crap after the Bears lost to the Niners last night. And I think, yeah. Oh. Oh, yeah. But I. I don't know, man. [00:03:55] Speaker A: I can't. [00:03:55] Speaker B: That's a good game. [00:03:56] Speaker C: It was a good game. It was just about the. The Bears lost and it may be because I have some bets over it was NFC west versus NFC north now. And so now the. The west is probably gonna have a better record than the North. But besides that Ram at the time you text this Rome, the Rams block a field goal, take it back all the other way, only down 2417, erasing some of that deficit. I didn't. I didn't hear. I think his tool was tied. Aaron, where the broadcast actually. Broadcast actually brought up. This is like the biggest comeback on the Falcons since the super bowl versus the Patriots at a certain point. But yeah, an entertaining game, I don't think. I think Aaron and I. I can't remember your pick, Romans, but this is. [00:04:35] Speaker B: We. [00:04:36] Speaker C: We were figuring this is going to be a Rams kind of cakewalk. They have the opportunity to potentially get the number one overall seed that was out there. And now with this loss, they still got the opportunity, I think for the five seed, depending on what. What happens next week. But I think their Biggest lock is potentially in the six. So, I mean, just a lot in the playoff implications from a. From a team, the Rams, that statistically, you know, top team in the league. They got one of the best offenses and one of the best defenses. Ram you, Rome, you had at the top of the power rankings in your. In your world, you know, a good portion of the past maybe month and a half or so. And so them losing against the Seahawks in that comeback and now this loss against another lowly NFC south team. You know, I think, remember they lose to the Panthers a month or so ago, this is a team that should be, you know, super bowl contender. Vegas had them as the favorites for the super bowl contest. Know, maybe for the past month, and now they're. And they're going to finish, like third in the division probably at this point. [00:05:36] Speaker B: I love it. [00:05:37] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, it's a lot of implications on this game. Right. I mean, the Rams, like Jason mentioned, still had a shot at outside shot, the one seed, still a shot at the five. That's. If Seattle happens to beat the 49ers, then the Rams would go to five, Niners go to six. I mean, the other thing here is if you're the Rams and the Niners do win and you get the six seed, you're going back to Philadelphia more than likely. And Philadelphia's kind of been one of the kryptonites for the Rams over the last couple years. Obviously beat him twice last year, beat him in the divisional game. I think another team that we didn't even mention, the most happiest team tonight, Carolina. Because if Atlanta happens to win on Saturday, no matter what Carolina does, they are basically. [00:06:21] Speaker B: They're in. [00:06:21] Speaker A: They're in. Yeah. So they are in the playoffs. And I think. I think the Falcons are going to beat the Saints. And I don't. I. I believe that's what's going to end up happening. And Carolina is going to get that number four spot and likely host either the Rams or Seattle. [00:06:40] Speaker B: Be kind of cool. [00:06:41] Speaker C: My Panthers pick at the beginning of the year didn't look as. Look as bad at this point, although I was wrong. They said they were going for the seventh seed. They're gonna get the fourth seed. [00:06:51] Speaker B: Yeah, you're off, dude. You. You undershot them a little bit. They're gonna get the fourth seed. [00:06:58] Speaker A: Unless the Saints, the hottest team maybe in the NFC right now, happens to pull off another victory over the Falcons. You never know. You just never know. [00:07:05] Speaker C: Well, this is a little bit of, I guess, the Falcons team you expected all season but it took, you know, huge game from Bijan, got serviceable work from, from Kirk Cousins in the game. [00:07:17] Speaker B: But he's got quite a few down the stretch here. [00:07:21] Speaker C: Defensively, I think that was the more impressive thing for the, for the Falcons in the first half, where, you know, this is a Rams team. I think it's top, top three in the league or something from an offensive standpoint. And the Falcons D hasn't been great the entire year, but they really showed up here. You saw Xavier Watts, Notre Dame alumni, you know, make some big plays in this game, and I think that was the encouraging sign for the Falcons is that you had all this, you had all this talent we talk about in the offensive side, but the defense really kind of step it up here in a way, you know, late in the season to do that. So, I don't know, an interesting lot of implications, but yeah, Aaron probably highlighting, you know, the, the more interesting and not interesting portion of an 8 and T, 8 and 9 Panthers team playing for nothing here versus the Buccaneers. And, you know, we were, what, five, six weeks into the season talking about Baker and the potential front runner, MVP and, you know, Buccaneers running away with this division, you know, run away from the division, and now they're up into a collapse where doesn't even matter if they win on Sunday and they're going to lose. [00:08:21] Speaker B: This is why I hate talking about how good teams are in the first four weeks. I hate it every year because it always catches us. And this. And this year we had a couple of them. We had the, the Bucks and then we had the Colts and who else is really brilliant in the beginning? Chargers. They've done okay down the stretch now. [00:08:38] Speaker C: But they've done okay. But honestly, I think you're right, Rome, but I think that's the big, the biggest thing you look. And some people don't like this. You got to start evaluating schedules and different things when you go through team to team. There's two teams, I'll tell you that we talked about the beginning of the year that would probably be better because of the ease of their schedule. One was the Bears and the other was the 49ers. And so the 49ers, with all the injuries they had, ah, they're going to collapse and this and that, but they had manageable games in their schedule and didn't play a tough, you know, a bunch of tough games in the, in. In a row in the middle of the season. And that was there for some of these teams. You know, you get a backloaded schedule. You Start playing a bunch of hard teams in a row or who, you know, whatever happens and you get a few key injuries and you lose it. I mean, injuries, I think really well caught up with the Colts, you know, they're trotting out, you know, Phil Rivers and everything else. [00:09:28] Speaker B: Who's done good? Who's done good? That team, no one could carry that team. That, that team is, is depleted beyond repair right now. Rivers is not going to do any better. And I kind of feel bad he came back to such like a lose, lose situation here. [00:09:43] Speaker A: Oh, I mean, they had, well, they had a shot. I mean, Rivers, I mean, tough spot there in his first game at Seattle. They played a great game. Seattle kicks what a 56 yard field, go at the end to win. [00:09:55] Speaker B: Great game. The following game, another good game. [00:09:58] Speaker A: Offensively, horrible gaming. It's the Niners. When some Niners are coming back to back games, we'll talk about over 40 plus points. But for the Colts, I mean, you guys touched on it probably week eight, nine, ten, whatever it was. He went all in on Sauce Gardner. He essentially only plays one game and. [00:10:12] Speaker B: That was the beginning of the end. [00:10:14] Speaker A: And then he gets hurt. He got hurt again on Sunday. Only played the first half against Jacksonville. Wouldn't have mattered anyways because they were out of the playoffs. But you know, going back to Rome, you said about the, you know, the Bucks off to that hot start. I mean, it seems to be that NFC south last year, remember Atlanta had like a three game lead. Halfway through they tanked. Tampa got hot. Carolina did not look good. I mean, they had some bad losses against Seattle and other teams. And then they stunned Green Bay. We're kind of like maybe something here, maybe Green Bay was 13 point favorites. [00:10:44] Speaker B: I remember that game. [00:10:45] Speaker A: Yeah, then they beat the Rams. And then, you know, all of a sudden we're like, okay, maybe they're back, maybe they're good. They lay a dud in San Francisco on a Monday night, look like they're in trouble again. [00:10:55] Speaker B: And that's where you threw him away. [00:10:57] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean, I got it. I mean, they've lost now twice to the Saints. They just, they look bad yet they look bad yesterday against Seattle, let's be honest. [00:11:06] Speaker B: Yeah, both the Bucks and the Panthers just did not have it last week or this past weekend. [00:11:12] Speaker A: But injuries like you guys touched on, especially Tampa, at least the wide receiver room. Godwin Evans hurt all year. Something's wrong with Baker. You know, I know he had kind of an oblique injury kind of midway through. I mean, they just ain't the same team right now. I think they've lost seven. [00:11:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:29] Speaker A: Regardless of probably what happens against Carolina, Atlanta takes care of business, which I believe they will. But it won't be easy against New Orleans because New Orleans playing pretty good football. Carolina will be in the playoffs hosting a playoff game. [00:11:41] Speaker B: Well, if Carolina wins, they're in. But if they lose and Atlanta wins, they're in. Yes, Bucks have to win. Talking about 40 point games though, last night, absolute stunner, man. Every week that seems to, we've had like the best game of the season. It just gets better and better. I was kind of surprised how many points the Bears put up like, and they just kept it up. And then after that pick six from Brock Pie to start things off, I was like, oh, you know, crazy stuff to kind of start things off. He settled down two running touchdowns. Three, three in the air. Another five touchdown performance. Say, say what you will, I know some of you guys hate on him, but he's playing lights out right now and he has to because that defense doesn't have a lot of people left. But collectively as a unit, I thought they've been playing pretty well. But Bears just let them up yesterday and it was a fun, one of the most funnest games I've seen all year round. [00:12:36] Speaker C: Yeah, completely agree. It was a great game. Obviously a heartbreaking game for me as a Bears fan right at the end. But I'll be honest, when you, when you reflect a little bit about it, I, I didn't think the Bears are going to win going in. They had a ton of injuries and mostly his illness going into the game. You know, ton, they had Darnell Wright not even flying out with a team. He flew in the morning of the game by himself. D.J. moore was questionable. Aroma Dun was kind of still, was still out. And so it was key players for the Bears that were going to be out for this game. And it just feel like one of those games after they clinch the division on Saturday by not even playing because of the packers loss and they got all these, you know, this illness and like, man, this is kind of give you a letdown pot. And you're right, Rome, that pick six at the beginning of the game, you know, really kind of lit something out. The Niners able to come back and score. But I mean, just the craziness that was going back and forth between the offenses. This may have been one of the more like complete games the Bears offensive had all season. You know, maybe back to the Dallas game early in September, but I mean, there was throws by Caleb Williams. And I know he's got his haters and everything out there, but they're the bomb. To Luther Burden, like, looked effortless. It was all arm, no legs, 50 yards on a, you know, just on a laser down the field. [00:13:55] Speaker B: Makes the hardest throws look so easy, and some of the easiest throws look really, really hard. It's quite the anomaly. But he's done a phenomenal job, though. [00:14:04] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that's a great assessment because some of these throws just look insane, but some of the easy, higher completion stuff wasn't there. And, you know, it all came down to a play at the end. And I. And I really think it was the drive before of them only getting the field goal and not the touch down. In that drive before, I was like, hey, we were matching touchdown for touchdown. And the Bears having to settle for a field goal really set up. I'm like, man, when they kicked that field goal, I'm like, this is going to end with having to score a touchdown. And. And exactly how it finished. The Niners covered it well. There was a very glimmer of opportunity for Caleb to complete that scramble there on, you know, end the game. But, yeah, it was. [00:14:40] Speaker B: Social media was burning him today. And I'm just seeing, like, dude, like, this guy was getting chased by, like, 20 different Niner jerseys going across the field to catch a guy that, you know, allegedly was open. [00:14:51] Speaker C: Yeah, the route that White ran, like, he ran the other direction to the additional play and then came back and, like, was between three Niners. Like, it was a. It was a very difficult throw for. And, you know, he was. Caleb was falling backwards on it. And so I. I think overall it was just as tough. It was a play before the hook and ladder. I think they were thinking that was going to be the touchdown. [00:15:10] Speaker B: That was a good play. I was kind of surprised that they stuffed it out. [00:15:13] Speaker C: Swift couldn't, you know, get in. I think that was the one that you would. Wouldn't be surprised with a touchdown. And them stopping them just really left kind of the Bears reeling a little bit to have it just one play game in the line. I don't think there's anything, honestly Rome, that you can say for, you know, 50 of social media out there that's going to make people on Caleb's side for anything. There is instant doubt on everything he does. But I think in the Bears universe, this is the best quarterback the Bears have ever had. [00:15:39] Speaker B: Like, it's just one thing I will say on social. There has been, like, a change of tide on the Comments from Bears fans before all the Bears fans were talking on how this guy paints his nails. This guy's really sassy or whatever the hell he is. Allegedly stuff came out this week now that like he might be actually dating a girl. So everyone's like oh he's not gay, all right. And now the Bear sounds like who gives a if he's gay or not? He's our quarterback. And like it's like a complete 180. Like they don't care at all. Paint the nails, come out in a dress. As long as you're making throws like that, that's our quarterback. And I'm just, it's been like a fun progression to see like especially like the past month. Like Bears fans are all in now, even the highest doubters they are but. [00:16:22] Speaker C: I wouldn't say that was in the majority of people doubting. I think there was a lot of belief in Caleb of being the guy and especially what they got him. There was a very small contingent that was the Justin Fields truthers out there that still feel to this day that they should have kept Justin Fields traded the hall, drafted Marvin Harrison Jr. In that draft and every and everything there was like the hall is everything. They talked about what they could have. [00:16:43] Speaker B: Got this year put a cap on the Justin Fields conversation. [00:16:47] Speaker C: It did and I think that's the minority now coming to around But I think the non Bears fans still have questions about Caleb. Is he the franchise quarterback? And like we've talked about this podcast a lot. There's a rankings from probably I don't know the exact but hey 6 through 20 in this league there's a very thin margin between quarterbacks and it depends on coaching, you know, roster situation, all that type of stuff. You know, Caleb's got the opportunity now like hey talent wise defensive coordinators head coach really think this Guy's got top 10 talent in the league. There's things on completion percentage like you said, the easy stuff, him making it look hard. That's what he needs to prove on but he's in year two and there's the progression. I there's comparisons I don't know if we shared this of Caleb in year two versus Josh Allen in year two. There's a ton of, there's a ton of comparities in those statistics. [00:17:38] Speaker B: However, on the dump Allen really quickly but yeah they did. [00:17:41] Speaker C: Now on the flip side, I don't agree with this. There's a lot of comparison between Caleb year two stats and Mitch. No. Mr. Oh yeah, I saw that. [00:17:49] Speaker B: I saw that they're very similar. [00:17:52] Speaker C: Yeah. So I guess they could go two ways for. For Caleb out of this. You know, is it going to Josh Allen and hey, your perennial MVP or it's Trubisky because this does bears first division title since 2018. That was the mad. The Matt Nagy year where the Bears had the double doink. That was the most successful year the Bears have had the last 20 years. You know, that's. That's what you can point to is Trubisky's best year. But I think Caleb is above that. This is just scratching the surface of what this offense can do. Luther Burden in that game, you know, massive game for him and what he could be and. And when you start getting some different pieces offensively. Colston Loveland, I think a lot of questions why the Bears drafted him. That was coming up so great. Great showing by the Bears. But the Niners, to your point, Purdy in that game I think was super impressive for whatever you want to say about another person who gets a lot of doubt. You know, the thing most impressive in the game and I was scared and going into this and in our picks, we didn't post them on socials or the podcast or stuff, but I picked the Niners because this is the offense that I feared for the Bears was they don't get a great pass rush with four and Purdy gets rid of the ball quickly and hits the Bears in certain spots in their zone. And the Bears are all bend but don't break. And then when they bring the blitz, they're exposing it. And that really lit it up. You know, they were able to do this and that's scary for the playoffs because I think both the Niners and the Rams are tough matchups for the Bears because there's accurate quarterbacks who get rid of the ball quickly, you know, versus some of the others that hold where the Bears can feast. [00:19:23] Speaker B: Decision making that toe. He had some nice scrambles when things were just breaking down. He was his feet at all at the right time. Got nice pickups. It was really nice. It's just as good as he's played ever since he's taken over the starting job and here in San Francisco. So we'll see what comes out. Man, big games. Week 18. Aaron, you haven't talked a little bit. You want to talk a little bit about the Bears 49ers game or should we start recapping some of the other stuff? [00:19:49] Speaker A: No, I mean, I think you guys hit it right there. I mean, like I said, Rome, Brock, Purdy, nice Game. I think that toe was he. This is, like you mentioned, Rome. I think it's the best Brock Purdy's looked. I mean, he's always, you know, had a lot of weapons around him, and you got a mess without the weapons. Yeah, I mean, he's getting some guys back. Jennings, Ricky, Bursall, those guys. Tonjas. I mean, Tonjas has been a pretty solid tight end with Kittle out this year. Cmc. He's been good. Had another good game and so. But yeah, I mean, his ability to run around, keep plays going. I mean, that play where he kind of juked two guys, threw it to the full back there for a touchdown was a big play. So he rushed. He rushed in two scores. And again, like Caleb, Bear fans, of course, are going to love him. If you're winning, no matter what town you're in, everybody loves you. As soon as you start losing, then they jump off the bandwagon, you know, I don't know. The Bears, they obviously didn't watch a game film last week. You cannot play zone defense against Brock Purdy. 100 of the time. He will eat you for dinner. That's what he did to the Colts. That's what he did to the Bears. Seattle's a different animal. That should be a great matchup because Seattle will give you so many different looks. And they will challenge the wide outs on the outside, something the 49ers have not had. They've only punted two times in the whole month of December, which is crazy. That sounds like the Colts. Sounds like the Colts. The first four weeks of the year where they. Their punter was, like, basically on vacation. So we'll see what happens here. It looks like the Bears are going to. If the Bears are going to need a win to keep that two seed over Philadelphia, which means they'll match up with Green Bay again. That'll be a hell of another matchup. Pick them. Game could go either way. Niners, obviously, they would love to win because if not, they got to go to Philadelphia. You don't want to play that defense out there in the cold. Brock Purdy has some bad night. Oh, the teams that, you know, like you mentioned, Rome, Philly's getting hot, and the Rams, you know, kind of a little cold streak here. We'll see what ends up happening with them. Playoffs are gonna be interesting. Green Bay, we'll touch on that game, but that was an embarrassment on Saturday. [00:21:52] Speaker B: So, dude, ass whooping of the week. I think that was gonna be my nominee. I wrote that down somewhere. Pat's Chats, but I think just the Ravens, packers, just, it was just no effort. It just looked like no effort. Speaking of no effort, my Steelers look like they had no effort as well. Rogers like the wash on those last two drives. And although my daughter was with me, we broke protocol. I kind of gave her a hard time. She took off the jersey so we could take Westie out on a walk. It was a beautiful day out there because it was raining really hard. We were in the, in the storm the last few days, driving around, hung out the park a little bit, and I'm watching the final minutes tick away and I'm like, God damn it, we're not on the couch. You don't have your Steelers jersey on. She's like, what? They're losing? Like, yeah. [00:22:42] Speaker A: And then so this was like at the end, real. Not before the start of the games. This is at the end. [00:22:46] Speaker B: She had the jersey on. She had the jersey on. It was a tough game anyways. She, she was watching a lot of it. It's just, it was an ugly game. [00:22:54] Speaker A: To watch if you're a Steelers fan. [00:22:55] Speaker B: We finally got you to we, we. [00:22:57] Speaker A: So I think that's what happened. She, she got tired of it. [00:23:00] Speaker B: She did get tired of. Actually she was watching it. [00:23:03] Speaker C: I, I, I, I don't, I don't want you to blame your daughter on this Rome, because I think Miles maybe. I know. I want to say Miles Garrett said, I believe in the post game, questioning whether the Steelers lost the game because they were more concerned about not letting him get a sack versus winning the game. [00:23:22] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I agree with that. They talked more about that on social media than anything else. I was actually irritated about it. Who cares? [00:23:32] Speaker A: I mean, the biggest missing guy was dk. I mean, if DK is there, they win that game. So, I mean, obviously Ravens might be, they might be paying that lion season ticket holder his season tickets for the next decade if they get in the playoffs. Because he did them a favor getting him suspended for this game as well. [00:23:50] Speaker C: Is it, Was this guy like, is he like the guy from major league too? Just like, just in, just in, in the cabin. [00:23:59] Speaker B: I'm about to watch this movie again. [00:24:01] Speaker C: Major League too. It's, it's Randy Quay, the actor that played the guy, but I mean, he's going after just he. I mean, I guess it's not the perfect analogy because he was heckling his own team on this, but for someone to get under the skin so bad of a fan like that, I mean, just like, you know, Randy Quaid, here's Running. [00:24:19] Speaker B: This is like he was in Seattle. Yeah, but quick little. Little detour here. Randy Quaid in the National Lampoons with Chevy Chase, him being the brother in law just underneath my skin so much. Like, I could see. Like, I love. Chase does, like, the perfect, like, disappointment look after look. It is just so good. And my daughter loves that. He's like, let's watch the movie with the funny guy. It's Chevy Chase. [00:24:48] Speaker C: It's. It's an acting. It's an acting masterpiece by Randy Quaid in that one. Just so. [00:24:51] Speaker A: Just. [00:24:52] Speaker B: I can't. I can't believe he nails it. Yeah, no. [00:24:57] Speaker A: Good job. [00:24:58] Speaker B: So I got my daughter or. I don't know, never mind. All right, so we got Steelers, Ravens, ass kicking of the week, Patriots. Anybody else for ass kicking the week? I think that's pretty good, huh? Bengals, Cards. I didn't watch any of that game. [00:25:13] Speaker C: Yeah, I didn't either. I. I don't know how you don't give the ass kick into the week, though, to the. To the Patriots. I mean, that game was over in the first quarter, basically. I mean, they. There was. They were trying to get Drake May the MVP in the first half. They're like, we're just gonna let this guy run it up, dude. [00:25:30] Speaker B: I was about to put it onto my. My four, and then I just saw the score. I'm like, what the hell? All right, I guess I'm not gonna put it on afterwards. So I. I watched every other game that wasn't that. [00:25:41] Speaker A: It was. It was what, 35, three at the half. [00:25:44] Speaker B: It was like. [00:25:45] Speaker A: It was like 210 in the first quarter. [00:25:47] Speaker B: I. I think that's when I saw it. Yeah, 21 0. And then I was like, forget. I'm not gonna watch it. This game's over. [00:25:53] Speaker C: It's another. Another thing about. I saw this stat today with the Patriots, though. I think the Patriots are very good team, but I. [00:26:00] Speaker A: They. [00:26:01] Speaker C: There was a stat of. Drake May has one win versus a team above.500 this year, but Jackson Dart has. Jackson Dart has two. [00:26:09] Speaker A: Well, I mean, the Patriots, this is what, the easiest schedule in the NFL since 1999. [00:26:14] Speaker B: Is that what they're saying? [00:26:15] Speaker A: Yeah, Rams in 1999. This is the easiest schedule. [00:26:18] Speaker C: They're undefeated on the road eight and. Oh, on the road. [00:26:23] Speaker A: But they do have road wins at Baltimore and Buffalo. [00:26:25] Speaker C: They do. [00:26:26] Speaker A: So. I'll say that. But, yeah, their schedule has been extremely, extremely soft. I mean, they had a stretch where they had New Orleans, Tennessee, Cleveland in Atlanta when Atlanta was dog. That was like a four Game stretch for them so. [00:26:42] Speaker B: Well, that's the problem. You know, like you. It's just we've had a few more of these this year where you get an easier schedule this year. So it might be like a little bit of fool's gold. You just don't know how things play out. They could probably come back to reality. They could have like a, you know, a relapse here. Like the way the Washington commanders have had, you know, where everyone's just injured and they didn't actually get younger at all when they had a really old defensive unit there. So I don't know. We'll see what happens next year. [00:27:09] Speaker C: It'll change. You'll see a lot of different ones. I mean, you look at the, the Rams, Miners, like they had an easy schedule this year. They're playing NFC South, I think, in AFC south, something like that. So they just get the who's who of, you know, below 500 teams for whole divisions basically in their schedules this year. So, I mean, the schedule plays a factor. But I think you're all like, when you look at these teams in the top resumes right now. Yeah. Okay. They all play bad teams because they beat them. [00:27:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Christmas games. Did you guys like them, love them or hate them? [00:27:42] Speaker C: As far as having games on Christmas or the two individual games themselves? [00:27:46] Speaker B: Both. I thought we had three games. [00:27:49] Speaker A: Yeah, we did have three. [00:27:50] Speaker C: There was three games. [00:27:52] Speaker A: Felt like about one and a half. Like each game was like half a game where it was good. [00:27:57] Speaker B: Maybe I didn't get a chance to watch anything. I just watched highlights afterwards. [00:28:04] Speaker C: I'll say I like the Christmas Day games, but I was. I'm not an NBA guy, so that's, that's. I guess that's your big NBA games. [00:28:10] Speaker B: I didn't watch NBA games either. I wasn't really big fan of. Of what. What was on there. [00:28:15] Speaker A: I watched NBA. I watched from mba. I liked it. I liked it. I liked it better than the NFL on Christmas Day. [00:28:22] Speaker B: Yeah, the, the Christmas games this year was trash. It's weird. I saw like a little piece of it on like Netflix. I, I just wasn't feeling it. [00:28:31] Speaker C: I like feeling it. I liked the net. The Netflix broadcast. They made. [00:28:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:35] Speaker C: Made everything feel big time. They had. I know it was a little biased. They had my guy, Seth Rollins, former WWE champion here on the. The game analyst. You know, he's turned it into his second career now being an NFL, NFL analyst. But I, I like. They had the whole like kind of pre game into the double header type thing out of, out of both games, they had, you know, guys from the team. I had like, like Clinton Portis and, you know, Emmett Smith, you know, during the game and live and stuff. [00:29:03] Speaker B: I totally messed all that. [00:29:05] Speaker C: Yeah, I like how Netflix does the broadcast for, hey, this is our one game a year. It's a big double header. I mean, at the beginning of the season, you would have thought this was a good slate because, hey, Commanders, Cowboys, Commanders were good last year. Cowboys are on the up, Lions, Vikings, both teams that won, you know, whatever, 14 games or whatever it was last year. Like, and Broncos, Chiefs, like, we, you know, we would have thought that was a big matchup too, you know, potentially for the AFC west crown and the Chiefs falling off the way they did. So I think the games were disappointing, but I think the broadcast, I think Netflix does it right. [00:29:39] Speaker B: I did watch highlights, and the only thing I caught from the Broncos, Chiefs is that Bo Nicks was barely good enough to beat the third string from the Chiefs. From Lions, Vikings. All I basically saw was Brosner. Was that his name? He had three passing arts and that was an upgrade over his previous outing. And they still beat the Lions. What the hell did the Lions do? Jared. [00:30:02] Speaker C: Jared Goff was bad, man. [00:30:04] Speaker B: I saw the five turnovers. I saw five turnovers, and I'm, like, really curious, like, what happened? And then Cowboys Commanders, I did not see anything from this game, highlights wise. [00:30:14] Speaker C: So I think Dak. Dak looked good in that game. Crosby Merritt looked really good for. For Washington that game. I think you're looking for him. But yeah, I mean, overall, it wasn't. It wasn't a great, Great overall football game. Like, it wasn't even a great. Wasn't a great football being played. I'll say. [00:30:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I'll second that. I mean, I thought Netflix did a great job. I like the end of the game. Everybody got players of the game. Getting a little tomahawk steak there. Nice at the end. You know what you guys said? I mean, the matchups look great coming into the season. Cowboys, Commanders, Lions, Vikings, Broncos, Chiefs, all great matchups. I mean, I don't know if the NFL will start doing it later in the year since Christmas does fall towards the end. Will we start getting games flexed for Christmas Day? It's kind of tough because it's a Thursday, not a Saturday or Sunday night. Tough to do, but maybe something they think about in the future. That way we don't have basically meaningless games, you know? You know, the Lions, what, six turnovers in that game. Golf was terrible. Dak looked good. I Mean Broncos barely hold on to win but yet had three times as many yardage total yards in the Chiefs, who, you know, basically did nothing in that game except just kind of hold on and try to win. But it was a, a lot of dogs. A lot of dogs covering on this weekend for sure. But I, I like what Netflix does. I mean I like how they got the pregame everything the build up to it. I like the coverage of it. [00:31:45] Speaker B: Saturday games. Yeah. Texans. Chargers love the Texans that game. Ravens packers was surprised that the Ravens dominate that game. [00:31:55] Speaker C: I mean I think it was a lot what you wanted to see the Ravens do a lot of year with, with Derrick Henry and you know, I mean 36 carries was probably more workload. You probably want to get your running back in a given day. But I mean I think that's what they're going to have to do, you know, depending on Lamar Jackson's health, if they're able to get into the playoffs. And you're going to have to ride Derrick Henry. I mean it's winner go home and potentially coach his job on the line there in that and that AFC north matchup this upcoming week. But I think the Ravens, you know, definitely found, found their path in the running game that had been missing a lot of the year. [00:32:32] Speaker B: Telling you, man, I, I, I might go to Kalshee and put on a bet of like at least three, three of the four coaches leaving out that division this year. [00:32:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean it's possible, I mean likely too fired. But I mean Zach Taylor, it's kind of interesting because let's go. [00:32:50] Speaker B: I can see them all go, well. [00:32:52] Speaker A: Someone'S going to win the division like Jason touched on and it's hard to get rid of a guy that's won the division. I mean there's been a lot of weird stuff coming out of Baltimore, especially on Lamar Jackson. I mean one week it was hardball. Now it's Lamar Jackson is sleeping, playing video games. I guess him and Kyle Murray are playing Call of Duty or something because he can't show up for meetings. They're saying who Lamar? Yeah. [00:33:14] Speaker B: Nah, I never heard that. [00:33:16] Speaker A: Yeah, that was, that was a big thing that he was, they were pushing team meetings because he was busy playing video games and can't get up in the morning. That was the rumor. [00:33:27] Speaker B: Interesting. Have you heard that, Jason? [00:33:30] Speaker C: I had not heard that but I. [00:33:32] Speaker B: Mean, well, I guess like one good thing that came out this like packers fans had a lot of praise for Malik Willis. They threw him out. The Tennessee tie ins. [00:33:46] Speaker A: Get paid. [00:33:47] Speaker B: They want him to keep them. Hell, they're even talking about throwing love out and giving Willis a job. Like that's how much they're starting to change Tide on this thing. [00:33:55] Speaker C: I know Packer fans who said since last year that they'd rather have Willison than love Aaron personally. [00:34:02] Speaker A: Willis is quicker, has a better arm, just hasn't seen as much game action. [00:34:07] Speaker B: Well, he was raw like everybody knew he was raw when he was in. [00:34:10] Speaker A: Tennessee and Tennessee was, you know he was what they're one year with Rabel kind of. He kind of was thrown into the mix. He was like the third string quarterback. They kind of threw him out there in one game. I mean he's always had raw talent. What round did he go? Second or third because remember there was rumors that Steelers were going to take him in the first round. That draft class they probably should have. [00:34:29] Speaker B: Because they haven't had since then. [00:34:30] Speaker A: But maybe that's where he ends up going because I mean Malik Willis is going to get paid by somebody. It's. You know some teams are going to need a quarterback. A lot of them do. I don't know if he's going to play this week or not. If they're going to go to was it Tune or whatever his name is and just go to the third string quarterback. But Rome, I mean if you're Green Bay, Derrick Henry, everybody knew Derek Henry is going to get the ball and you can't stop this guy. I thought it was an embarrassment for the packers and not a good look. Not a good look for that team. Everybody was talking about their defensive coordinator getting a head coaching job. That's a joke. I probably can his ass after this season because I knew exactly what Baltimore was going to do. They ran the same five plays. Hand off Henry right hand off Henry left quarterback draw. Five yard out. Five yard out. They never feed the ball beyond five yards. It was like they're playing the Pittsburgh Steelers out there. They didn't do anything right. Green Bay just an embarrassment game. Rome, that was. That was an ass whipping of ass whippings. [00:35:25] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm not feeling good about your Green Bay team going to the playoffs, man. [00:35:28] Speaker A: No, they're one and done. Well look, if they do get the Bears, assuming the Bears do beat the Lions on this upcoming weekend, it's a pick them game that can't even go either way. No matter how you type it, good or bad. They could play 10 times, they'd still split five. Five could go either way. [00:35:46] Speaker B: We'll see what happens other games from this weekend. We won't talk About Giants, Raiders. I'll see why. Eagles, Bills. That was so big man. Bills had a chance to win it at the end. I don't know why. So I disagree with the two point conversion at the end. I was watching that. You're at home. Eagles weren't really moving the ball in the second half. The Bills, their defense is starting to show like another level in the last few games and then they kind of go for two. Josh did have the guy open and he, it looked like he just kind of fell out the wrong way going to the left and it was just dead. That was an easy two for the win. But you know, I don't see why not just get the extra point and then move on into overtime. Thoughts on that game? [00:36:37] Speaker C: I mean just offense not getting rolling in the first half. The, the James Cook, I think bottling him up for the Eagles D. That's what you see. But I mean the ending of the game, obviously we're Josh Allen missing, you know, I guess wide open receiver pretty much to, to win the game there. Aaron, I mean that was, that was probably the thing that just lives with you kind of there at the end of the game because the Bills had the chance and it was right there for, for as much as they couldn't get going for three quarters of football. They're able to get back in the game, have the opportunity to win. You have the right play dialed up and it just came to an execution aspect of it. Like, I mean those are the, those are the margins in which we're dealing with in a lot of these games. I mean even, even tonight, I don't want to. We talked about the Monday night game, but man, Stafford misses one of his receivers right there at the end with 20 something seconds left. That, you know, changes the Rams fortunes too. Like there's these small execution plays where it's the perfect play dialed up and it comes down to making, you know, the right throw doesn't have to be a tremendous throw. I think out of that entire game. It wasn't a very watchable game between those two teams. But to me it all came down to hey, this last piece there for the, for Josh Allen missing that throw. The two point conversion. [00:37:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean he had them but Rome, to your point, why'd they go for 2? First extra point got blocked. So that's in the back of your head. Hey, we got a kicker that's never kicked her before because our main kicker's out injured. We bring in Badgley, it's windy, it's a tough place to kick. Regardless. The first extra point gets blocked, I'm pinning the ball in my MVP's hands and saying, go win it. And he had him. He missed him. I'd rather take that chance 9 out of 10 times and give it to a kicker that's never kicked there, because if he makes that first extra point ever, it doesn't get blocked. Buffalo just kicks the extra point there. Make or miss, they go to overtime or they win. I like to recall. I mean, they know that the. The chance of them even winning the division, highly unlikely. I mean, the Patriots got Miami this weekend. The way they're rolling should be an easy win for them. So they went for it, didn't get it. Looks like they're locked in as maybe six or seven seed. We'll see what they decide to do. They could lose outright against the jets, go back to New England or happen to find themselves and win, and then they're looking at either going to Jacksonville or likely Houston. So they got a lot of options on their mind. I know the Chargers have already announced they're not playing any starters. So Broncos will win the afc. They already have. They'll be the number one seed in the AFC Conference as well. [00:39:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I still like the Bills in the playoffs. They just got again, but just like some weird bumps in the road, you know, getting in. But at least the defense is tightening up, so that's a positive. It's just. It's just Allen and Cook on offense. They still don't have a wide receiver. They have, like, the same issues at the. [00:39:19] Speaker A: Well, they had cooks, the other cooks. Cooks. [00:39:21] Speaker B: Yeah, he had a good game or he's had a few. They could have definitely used Coleman stepping up this year, but that has not happened. [00:39:29] Speaker A: I think they gotta activate Coleman, man. I don't know about you, but they didn't have any team speed or size. They needed that against Philadelphia. [00:39:35] Speaker B: Fast, but he has hands. He's just not fast. [00:39:38] Speaker A: But he's 6, 4, 6 5. He can box out and get position. And when you're playing sloppy weather games, that's what you need. [00:39:44] Speaker B: There was a wide receiver a long time ago that he wasn't particularly fast, but he just had body and he was, like, kind of elusive. That's. That's who Coleman reminds me of. I'm just. I'm just drawing a blank. It was like, in the mid 2000s. He might have played with the Steelers, too. [00:39:58] Speaker C: This guy's talking about, like, Wayne Crabet or something like that. What are you talking about? [00:40:04] Speaker A: Had no size. That guy was Ours. [00:40:05] Speaker B: I'm trying to remember, like, he was decent, but. All right. Seahawks pants. [00:40:12] Speaker A: He's really, he's really a poor man's Keyshawn Johnson, to be honest. Keisha had no speed, but. [00:40:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:18] Speaker A: Knew how to run routes and had great hands and was smart. [00:40:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Except he's not doing anything with the pills. [00:40:25] Speaker A: He's missing meetings. And I, I don't know what else is going on, but I think if you're Buffalo and you put on the tape, I'm, I'm activating against the Jets. At least get, get him some run. [00:40:34] Speaker B: Dude. I'm activating O.J. simpson. I don't give a what your pass is. You're in the game. I gotta get to the playoffs. Jay's innocent of all crimes, right? [00:40:44] Speaker A: Rome. [00:40:47] Speaker C: Most one of your worst. [00:40:51] Speaker B: Who wouldn't want to get their own gear back? All right. Can't blame somebody for that. Jax. Colts blowout. That was not surprising. I think we kind of covered it all. We didn't cover the Seahawks, Panthers. I, I didn't watch too much of this, to be honest with you. Saints tie ins. I didn't watch too much that either. You guys there? [00:41:11] Speaker C: Yeah. You're breaking up a little bit. Are you there? [00:41:13] Speaker A: Yeah. You were breaking up. I heard something about Saints, Titans and Seahawks, Panthers, it looked like. [00:41:18] Speaker C: I also thought you heard Jaguars, Colts was a blowout and it was a six point game, so I'm not sure what week you were talking about there. [00:41:25] Speaker B: I don't think it was, it was that close. [00:41:27] Speaker A: Like, it was a pretty close game. [00:41:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:31] Speaker C: Indy was up at halftime. [00:41:33] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:41:35] Speaker B: Until third quarter. I don't know, it just felt like the tide turned big time in the third quarter for me, so I changed. Did. [00:41:42] Speaker C: I mean, the Jags, though. I mean, looking 12 and 4, top of the division right now. Who would have thought that at the beginning of the season, just Aaron. [00:41:52] Speaker A: It'D be that good? Rome, but good or a little luck. [00:41:56] Speaker B: Or a little bit of both. [00:41:58] Speaker A: I think they're really good. Jacksonville, I think they're good. [00:42:01] Speaker C: I mean, there's been, I've been critical about Trevor Lawrence as far as what he is supposed to, supposed to have been out of Clemson. [00:42:07] Speaker B: Right. [00:42:07] Speaker C: And this, this has been his career performance the past maybe six to eight weeks or something like that for what he's been able to do with this team. I, I, as much as we praise, you know, Liam in the running game, he's got that going. I mean, that was really kind of the, the starting point for how, you know, Trevor's Been able to find a lot of different, you know what. You know, receivers and really use his legs in a lot of different areas. Like, I mean, Trevor's been really good. I mean and he hasn't even had. We haven't seen Brian Thomas really been super crazy. And you know, they don't, they don't even have Travis Hunter. Like part. Part of me even thinks like, what if this team didn't draft Travis Hunter and they drafted somebody else that was going to be a little more impactful because they never really found out what they wanted to do with him throughout the season. [00:42:51] Speaker B: Yeah, that was a fumble. That was a fumble there. [00:42:54] Speaker A: I. Well, I don't know if it's a fumble yet. We'll find out. I mean, hit. Travis Hunter was having a pretty decent year on offense. I don't know how they're going to implement him on the defense, but I mean, yeah, Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence, obviously, I thought his game would be a lot better this year. Of Liam Cohen going there, we saw what he did with Baker, we see what Baker's doing without him. Not there. Everybody that's had an elite coordinator, Ben Johnson, Liam Cohen, every team they've left has declined and every team now that they're with the Bears and Jaguars have steady inclined and gotten better. So I mean, to your guys's point, like we talk about all your coaching matters and if you got the right coaches, you can take a good player and make them better and take an average player and make them good. So. But Jacksonville, I think defensively that's been the key. I think they're number one in the league against the run. So that has been big too because last year they were ranked in the bottom third in the league. But they're scary. I mean we saw what they did to Denver at Denver looking like they're going to get the three seed which means they will be matching up with Buffalo are the Chargers. And they've got a lot of weapons. I mean strange to tight end is back. Washington's been good. Jacoby Myers who they signed to an extension. So their three wide receivers are all set for, you know, basically the remainder of Trevor Lawrence's contract. Jacksonville I think is a team on the up and up in the AFC definitely. [00:44:13] Speaker B: All right, so you got pats, Bills, Steelers and Ravens. Steelers really blew that, man. They could have had their postseason locked in and now it's. They got to go for it this weekend in week 18. Jags, Texans who figured, huh? Broncos, Chargers, who's the third team in the playoffs? 3, 4, 5 6, 7. Who's. Who's gonna get left out? [00:44:47] Speaker C: Actually, Dealers or Ravens. [00:44:50] Speaker B: Pretty deep. My daughter's learning the heartbreak of losing at Mario super party that she got for Christmas. [00:45:00] Speaker C: Is she alluding to you with the heartbreak with the Steelers losing on Sunday night? [00:45:06] Speaker A: It's a family tradition starting on Christmas. Huh. [00:45:09] Speaker B: Do you feel bad about the Steelers, Lizzie? No, no. She's upset about losing at Super Mario Brother, whatever it is. On the nfc, we got Eagles, Bears. Are packers in? [00:45:22] Speaker A: Yes, packers, no matter what. [00:45:23] Speaker C: They're the seventh seed. They're locked into the seven seed. [00:45:25] Speaker B: Got it. All right, so Vikings, Lions out and last place up for grabs this weekend. When your Bears face the lines this weekend, Jason. Panthers, bucks and Seahawks, 49ers and Rams. What a loaded division there. I. I read somewhere that Liam Cohen was the first. First coach to bring a team under 4 wins up to 12 wins the following season. Would the Bears be in the same situation? Do they have four wins? They had five wins last year. [00:46:03] Speaker C: Bears had five wins last year. [00:46:07] Speaker B: Still impressive that they get to 12. They got me beat by three games on the over. Under. I think any of the. [00:46:14] Speaker A: Did the Patriots win more than four games last year? [00:46:17] Speaker C: Patriots won four games as well. [00:46:19] Speaker A: Yeah, but this is the first time. First time ever. Head coach. [00:46:22] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not. It's not for a season. [00:46:25] Speaker A: New organization. [00:46:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:27] Speaker B: I have no comments on. On week 17. Besides some. Some really tough losses here. Tough way for the Lions to go out. I still like them, man. I still like them a lot. It sucks not having them in the playoffs. Texans, though, heating up. That's my dark horse, man. That's my dark horse to go deep this year. This might be the perfect year to do it. [00:46:55] Speaker C: Well, Rome, I mean, you called it maybe, you know, six weeks or so ago. I think you need to go find your clip and get that out there. And Aaron was, you know, posting his call of the. Of the Lions. [00:47:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I finally saw the clip. What clip you sent. I was like, of course you're going back a little clips. [00:47:13] Speaker A: What. [00:47:13] Speaker B: What a lucky take, by the way. [00:47:15] Speaker A: All right, man. [00:47:15] Speaker B: I posted ballsy, but it was also stupid and reckless. And then luckily it came true. [00:47:22] Speaker A: Hey, you got to take your shots, man. You gotta take your shots. [00:47:26] Speaker B: You took a shot, dude. You took a shot. If you had a gamble on that, you would have made some coin. [00:47:31] Speaker A: No doubt. I mean, no doubt. [00:47:33] Speaker C: I don't think it was a lucky shot. I think Aaron called it. We saw it week one in Green Bay, where the Team was at, you know, they had a couple, you know, good moments when the team was super health healthy but you know, really struggle. I mean, then you see Jared Goff this last season, man, like where. Where is this offense without Ben Johnson? A lot of questions. [00:47:50] Speaker B: A pretty good year. He just had one bad game. You guys want to throw underneath the bus? [00:47:54] Speaker C: I mean, they lost eight games for him. I don't know if you can say he had one bad game. [00:47:58] Speaker B: He had two bit. [00:48:00] Speaker A: He had a few bad games. I mean, packers this last game, Philadelphia. Yeah. I mean, the Lions. It's going to be interesting who they decide to bring in as offensive coordinator because the Dan Campbell experiment like at, you know, I don't like it. They need to find an identity there. I do see Mark Brunell still sitting there as what QB coach. [00:48:23] Speaker B: You know, a couple years ago, right. They had stike and leave. They took a dump for like one year. They, they, they tool up again this year, kind of took a step again. So it's just ebbs and flow. Looks like the coordinators more recently have had a bigger impact than years past. We'll see who they get. [00:48:42] Speaker A: Well, we touched on it last year, I think maybe towards the end or during the next coaching cycle. I know Jason and I agreed when we said the best coach on that coaching staff, Ben Johnson. The Lions are going to take a step back now. You know, we talked about it last year too. Liam Cohen is. He's the best coach on the Tampa staff. Well, they've lost him and they've taken a step back. So when you lose elite coordinators that are, you know, proven to be good head coaches, at least here in year one, the teams that they've left have taken steps back. So it will be interesting to see, like I said, who the Lions bring in a lot of injuries on defense. That offensive line was kind of banged up too. Goff's getting older. You know, maybe they're looking for a quarterback here to shore up here. [00:49:27] Speaker B: I think there's still a year or two out for another quarterback. All right, any other comments? No. What are you guys looking forward to most into week 18? [00:49:36] Speaker C: I mean, you really got one game of significant consequence when it comes to the playoff. It's. It's your Steelers versus the Ravens. And I think you're. I mean like we talked about the coaches and kind of Jess there. But I mean you could have changing of an era in one of those locations based on the outcome of that game. You know, does Tomlin. This was kind of his last stand. Rome I mean, you guarantee he guarantees you the winning season, but you haven't seen much success much beyond that. And you know, I, I wasn't really tracking to the John Harbaugh dislike in Baltimore, but you know, Rome, you brought that up a bunch during, during the season and where they're at and so do they need something different now? Yeah. So, I mean you could have a team getting in and the losing coach, it'd be, hey, we're going to. We're going to change an end to the end of an era. I mean, I'm not even dismissing it. The thing. Even who wins gets bounced in the first round of the playoffs and they still get fired too. And this is the last time, you know, you've seen a rivalry that's gone for. Was this decade plus 15 years. [00:50:44] Speaker A: This is gone. [00:50:44] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:50:45] Speaker B: No, I seriously think every coach is. That division's out. I. I think, I think the odds are really good. [00:50:51] Speaker C: I don't know. Stefanski, doesn't. They. He wants to get fired and they won't fire him. So he may be the only one surviving. [00:50:56] Speaker A: I would say this. [00:50:58] Speaker B: When it looks too easy, I could see him staying. Honestly, that makes it alive. [00:51:02] Speaker A: Honestly, I would bet that all stay versus all get fired. I think Zach Taylor's. It's Joe Burrow's about to win three straight. He's showing. If he's there healthy, he can win games of them. Stefanski, who wants the job? I mean, nobody wants that job. [00:51:21] Speaker C: Fire people either. They kept Marvin Lewis, I think five years longer than he was supposed to be. [00:51:25] Speaker A: Martin Lewis was like, oh, and five in the playoffs. He never even won a playoff game. And then I think Tomlin, yeah, he'd probably get to lose his game. And I think I saw something or been hearing that they can void like 30 to 50 million at DK's contract because of what he pulled. [00:51:41] Speaker C: They said they are. [00:51:43] Speaker A: I think they will. [00:51:44] Speaker B: I heard they said they weren't. [00:51:46] Speaker A: Well, I don't know if they are or not, but if they don't make the playoffs, I mean they got one guy really to blame and I think it's dk. Dk, because that's. I mean that's a big loss. I mean they did not do anything offensively. So I think Tomlin was it. 19 years winning record as a head coach. I think Pittsburgh's not going to get rid of them. Dude. [00:52:04] Speaker B: It's been nice, dude, but. [00:52:05] Speaker A: But look, I mean there's quarterbacks out there. Roger's gone. We talked about Malik Willis I think that's a good fit for them if they can get there. And Harbaugh, see what you want, he gets in the playoffs again. They're going to host a playoff game against the Texans more than likely. And all day you got to have a big horse. Derek Henry's the perfect guy to go up against that defense. So it's a good matchup. So I would not dismiss Horrible getting canned right off the bat. If he loses this game at Pittsburgh without dk, I would say the chances go up quite a bit. But I, I, I, I, I, I find it hard to believe Baltimore loses this game with or without Lamar. It'd be tough. Just I don't know if Pittsburgh has enough offensively to muster a win. [00:52:50] Speaker B: So you guys are going for Baltimore. All right. [00:52:52] Speaker A: Hard, I would bet, I'm, I'm betting Baltimore. Big money line. Don't even take the points. It's money line. Them. [00:52:58] Speaker C: I had Buffalo, I had Baltimore in the AFC championship game, sir. That's right. That's where my pick was. [00:53:03] Speaker A: Ads I got in the super bowl. So I, I gotta keep riding. [00:53:07] Speaker B: He has lost those bets already. I gotta go back and review what we picked altogether. [00:53:16] Speaker C: Yeah, I know it was Baltimore, Buffalo in the AFC championship game. [00:53:19] Speaker B: So I, I, I think I had Baltimore, Denver, I definitely had the, the Bills making moves. So I, I think I had, yeah, Bill's Niners. That was my super bowl prediction possibility. [00:53:33] Speaker A: But yeah, going on that game room, I mean Seattle 49ers huge. That gets you to buy the number one seed. And I know we, we've talked about, you know, Tampa, Carolina is a big game as well. But obviously the game we talked about when we started the show, New Orleans, Atlanta, the game that really could decide that division. Crazy. But Atlanta, if it gets the win, Carolina hits in the playoffs after, you know, basically a 310 loss early in the year against those guys which has. Still shaking her head but could get Carolina in the playoffs. [00:54:10] Speaker B: Yeah, that's crazy. That, that, that, that is crazy. Why, why do Carolina get in if Atlanta wins? [00:54:17] Speaker A: Because they beat Atlanta twice and Tampa only beat him once. So out of the three way round robin, they have the tiebreaker. [00:54:24] Speaker B: That's a crazy tiebreaker, man. That's, that's wild. Not hating it. I do like Carolina to make more noise out of all those teams anyways in the playoffs. Like they have the most potential. When they're hot, they're hot. They could get blown out though. [00:54:39] Speaker C: I don't know if you could say they're, when they're Hot. They're hot when they have a minus 67 point differential on the year. [00:54:44] Speaker B: Dude, you see their games? [00:54:46] Speaker A: I don't know. When Carolina's hot, I don't think they get hot. [00:54:49] Speaker C: I think they just like they somehow survive and they're just there at the end and something happens. [00:54:55] Speaker B: Was it him and Kayla with the most comeback from behind wins this season, Caleb with four, Young with three. [00:55:04] Speaker A: Sounds young have like eight or nine in his career in the last two years. Yeah, I know. [00:55:09] Speaker B: He has 10 in the last two years. [00:55:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:11] Speaker B: That's crazy. [00:55:12] Speaker A: You might get another one on this weekend. [00:55:15] Speaker B: I might pick them. I might pick them and they might disappoint me. [00:55:20] Speaker A: The logic says go with them, but yeah, you gotta throw logic out the door in some of these games. [00:55:25] Speaker B: It doesn't matter in the end of the season. All right, cool. I got nothing else to add unless you guys watched any college football games. Quick little two minute drill. Nothing. What do you guys think about the new Michigan hire at least, huh? [00:55:41] Speaker A: I like it. [00:55:42] Speaker C: It's a good hire. [00:55:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:45] Speaker A: I mean it's a five year window, but. Yeah. [00:55:48] Speaker C: Is that all he's giving him, five years or what? [00:55:50] Speaker B: He's old. [00:55:51] Speaker A: Everybody's 66, 67. Yeah, I think, I think he's got, I think he said five years. That's his kind of main plan. [00:55:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:56:00] Speaker C: Did he, did he retire from that? Because I thought because he straight up. [00:56:04] Speaker B: No, because he just, he stepped down and said he was entering the transfer portal tongue in cheek, you know, like he's not done. He's just gonna go check out other jobs. Then all of a sudden this job opens up. I have a feeling they had this back channel thing working for quite a while or something because from the step down for a job they actually like. [00:56:20] Speaker A: But when would he step down? Before Sharon Moore thing or after? Because I don't remember. Like the timing is like around the same. Do you know? [00:56:28] Speaker B: I, I, I, they, the articles made it seem like he did it before, but the shroud morph thing came out of nowhere. Man. It was like December. [00:56:36] Speaker A: Yeah, but there'd been, but there'd been. [00:56:37] Speaker C: Rumblings about of it. [00:56:38] Speaker A: Yeah, there was guys that already had inside info like a week or five days before, like, hey, something's going to get announced here soon. And then boom, it just popped in the middle of the week. [00:56:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. [00:56:51] Speaker A: No, I mean, I know, I know they already had the other coach in waiting that had already been set up for like two years because the defensive coordinator is taking over. So that's already. That already been pre. Planned like two years ago. And I know since they had such a rough year last year, he didn't want to step down because he didn't want to leave the program on what I think they wouldn't like. That was like the first losing year in like a decade for them. Yeah. [00:57:09] Speaker B: And then they had. [00:57:10] Speaker A: Remember, they had a ton of injuries. [00:57:11] Speaker B: 30S, so that's what he said. Yeah. [00:57:14] Speaker C: Well, I, I guess if I'm. If I'm looking at this right. On the. On December 12, he announced he was stepping down from his position. [00:57:22] Speaker A: So I don't know thing on like the 15th. [00:57:26] Speaker B: Could have sworn it was. [00:57:27] Speaker A: It was around the same time. It was close. [00:57:30] Speaker C: Yeah, it was close. But I think because, I mean, there was reports. There was reports like that they knew about this in early December, even around the Ohio State game. Right. [00:57:41] Speaker B: Well, there was some guy on Twitter making rounds about it in October that, that some. Something Shay was happening. Michigan fired Sean December 10th. [00:57:51] Speaker C: 10Th. So he steps down on the 12th. And he was. I mean, so. Yeah, I think you're right. There was. There were probably some back channels. I think regardless, it's a good hire. I mean, you get a five year window. I think my favorite tweet about it was like. Like, he's got X. He follows X amount of people on Instagram and there's not like one woman. He follows his wife and his daughter. Wife and his daughter. And like no other women. [00:58:15] Speaker B: Well, he has not had like, he's like such the typical opposite because he's had like no controversies. [00:58:21] Speaker A: Well, he's a true. He's the Mormon. [00:58:22] Speaker B: Right. [00:58:23] Speaker A: He's from Provo, Utah. Right. [00:58:25] Speaker B: I don't know if Mormons are actually faithful. Don't they have multiple wives? [00:58:30] Speaker A: Well, not this guy. I guess he's only following one on Instagram. Unlike the other Michigan man. [00:58:34] Speaker B: Too good of a rap. All right, I have two. You can't have 15 wives. [00:58:39] Speaker C: You're suspicious of your own head coach now, right? All righty. Right there. He's. It's too good for rap. [00:58:44] Speaker A: No, no, no. Now it makes sense why Michigan would hire him. He fits in if he's got like five wives, according to Rome. [00:58:50] Speaker B: No, like, you know, like, this guy is actually like a Midwestern guy, so it makes sense. He has ties. He just never coached there. I think he's played there like, you know, whenever he thought he played college a long time ago. But like, it's. He has no baggage and he's just like it brings like a no nonsense approach which Michigan hasn't had a long time. So. [00:59:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean I think it's, I think it's a really good. [00:59:17] Speaker B: I hope everyone gets fired in Michigan, the AD and everything. [00:59:21] Speaker A: So it looks like he was born here in San Luis Obispo, but he is a, he did go to byu. He's a GA graduate assistant there. So that's where he went to college. So he's been pretty much in Utah, you know, his whole life there. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. Michigan hiring Urban Meyer disciple in Kyle Hollingham obviously had a lot of success in at Ohio State. [00:59:43] Speaker B: Urban hire had a lot of success on and off the field. [00:59:46] Speaker A: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. And still is. So congrats to him. I mean that's what winning does. You get some avenues that other people don't. But I think, yeah, I like it as a good hire. We'll see if he can keep Underwood there and keep him there. But Michigan looks like they got the right guy for right now and we'll see what ends up happening. I mean, I did see Freeman got a restructured contract too with Notre Dame. So he will be staying, not going to the pros. So Jason's got to be happy about that one. [01:00:14] Speaker B: Nice. Congrats. Congrats. You're having a big year. The Pope is from Chicago. All of a sudden you have a White Sox. [01:00:21] Speaker A: I saw signed with that Korean guy, Japan guy. So it's been a little money pickup. [01:00:26] Speaker B: What a pickup. [01:00:28] Speaker C: The, the, the, the White Sox are just renting him for two years until he goes to the Dodgers. They just wanted. [01:00:34] Speaker B: It's the white years. [01:00:34] Speaker C: The White Sox is just the Dodgers farm team. So they just want to see, can't they. They want to see Kenny hit the fastball. That's his biggest thing that they don't think they can hit the major league fastball. So they, they're going to work things out with the White Sox and then he'll sign with the Dodgers for like a billion dollars in 2028. [01:00:51] Speaker B: Leave my team alone, guys. [01:00:54] Speaker C: I'm just telling you, you know, my team's the one that, you know, our biggest signing that is basically article is writing. It was like, yeah, he, he had to sign it to get to the White Sox and slumming it over the White Sox before he signs with the Dodgers. But yeah, Aaron, you're right. The Chicago Pope, my guy Pope Leo Bears success. You know, Notre Dame still doing well. I'll be honest, I'm a little concerned about the Bulls and Blackhawks. To be honest, we were looking good early, but we're a little bit shaky but you know, making progress. [01:01:26] Speaker B: I love watching Bedard like I'm watching and I hate you, Jason. I'm watching so much Chicago clips on my social media. I don't know if they listen to this podcast and I'm just getting a whole bunch of Chicago media, but this past year is like I get so much Bedard clips. I've been watching a lot of hockey, especially this past year. F1 and hockey have been injected into my life and unfortunately, since my Lakers are now sucking, I'm not going to be watching a lot of NBA. So over under. [01:01:53] Speaker A: I thought you were like all on the Lakers, man now. [01:01:56] Speaker B: Yeah, well, LeBron came back. He's jacked up the, the cohesion there. Sometimes he looks like he's showing up something he doesn't. He looks like lackadaisical and post game conferences. Reeves is out. Everyone said he's overrated, but he's still balling. [01:02:14] Speaker A: They gotta be careful. Reeves, man, when he's got a grade 2 now cap strain out at least a month before reevaluated. Yeah, he's got to be careful, man. He's, he's, he's sitting at a long contract. I mean if I'm his agent, he's got, he might, he might be sitting out a while. [01:02:27] Speaker B: More than the fact it's always these, these kind of injuries that lead to those. What Achilles. [01:02:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:33] Speaker B: ACL tears? Yeah. [01:02:35] Speaker A: No, and I know J.J. redick trying to chew a new one in them as well. So Lakers in trouble. Maybe the six best team in the west at best. [01:02:46] Speaker B: All right, all right. [01:02:48] Speaker A: You're your NBA guy. He wants to get on the potty, hit me up. [01:02:52] Speaker B: I'm watching NBA. I'm keeping up. I'm keeping up here. [01:02:55] Speaker C: I'm not way low on the priority list. We got a bunch of football, we got hockey, F1 ends. But basketball, we'll get to it. All Star break President's Day weekend. That. That when the NBA starts. [01:03:07] Speaker B: Also talking about after New Year. [01:03:09] Speaker A: But yeah, we can talk about it here pretty soon. [01:03:13] Speaker B: No, but Thunder look good, but they look beatable. [01:03:19] Speaker A: The only thing that can beat him is the Spurs. [01:03:20] Speaker B: Rome look like the Lakers Supersonics. You know, back in the 90s. That was Achilles heel. [01:03:26] Speaker C: I was gonna say Aaron. Aaron wanted it. This is a topic I think he sent on, on the text the other day. That is the, the spurs, the Achilles heel of this Thunder team. You know, we Rome didn't like Aaron And I's Thunder take. He thought it was just a generic take saying they could win 72 games, but yeah, I mean, it looked like. [01:03:43] Speaker A: They were going to till they lost three games in like two weeks to the Spurs. Now they got five total losses. [01:03:48] Speaker B: Dude, everyone's been losing games this past two weeks. It's been nuts. Everyone's dropping like flies. Golden States trash. I met some Golden State fans here recently and. [01:03:59] Speaker A: And wait, I know we didn't talk about. But I didn't see it. Just kind of heard about it. But the whole Draymond, Steve Kerr outburst there on the bench. Did you see that? Rome got a little more insight. [01:04:10] Speaker B: See it. I've talked to the fans here in San Francisco. They've been tired of Draymond Green. [01:04:18] Speaker A: Agree. [01:04:20] Speaker B: Since he's not doing anything for the team, get rid of him. That's been the underlying sentiment here. And. And then people are like, oh, what do you think about the situation? I'm like, personally, I'm a Laker fan. Everyone's like, oh. And then they get all disgusted. I'm like, but I don't like Draymond Green. But also, my favorite basketball player in the history of. Of basketball is Kobe Bryant and Dennis Rodman. And unless he played like Dennis Rodman, I probably wouldn't say anything, but he just talks a little too much. [01:04:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I. I don't know what the whole outburst was about. Was it getting benched or. I don't know. I mean, Draymond's been playing bad this year. He's committing, what, like, six, eight turnovers a game? I think Steve, Kurt has been getting on him. Didn't they just sign him like 2 years ago to like a 5 year extension or 4 year extension worth like 100 mil? [01:05:05] Speaker C: Yeah, sounds right. Yeah, don't. [01:05:10] Speaker B: Sorry. My producer is talking me off the. Off the mic right here. [01:05:14] Speaker C: Yeah, he signed a four year. He remains through the 20. Through this season, 25, 26. [01:05:21] Speaker A: Okay. [01:05:23] Speaker B: So my producers tell me that her belly is telling her that she's hungry. [01:05:27] Speaker A: All right, she's late. [01:05:29] Speaker B: Then at 9:30, I just made her food. We stopped by this place called Quick Dog, which does eat hamburgers. So the chef. I knew the chef, and he made her corn dogs. They're like really good, like hush puppies. She's like, they're okay. She gave him like a middle fingers, like sideways. [01:05:48] Speaker A: You mean a thumb sideways? [01:05:49] Speaker B: A thumb sideways. [01:05:50] Speaker A: Okay, I was gonna say middle finger sideways. [01:05:52] Speaker B: II the shots in her face, like, he's like, what do you think they're pretty good, huh? [01:05:56] Speaker A: She's like, that's why I like kids. That's why I like ability. Dude, they're still honest. [01:06:01] Speaker B: This guy used to be a chef at a. At a one star Michelin restaurant. Now, now he's running, like, a quick service spot, but the food's good. But that's why you can't overthink corn dogs and hot dogs. Oh, that guy stepped out. I must have missed that. Falcons highlights. All right, final comments, guys. I'm about to wrap this up pretty soon. [01:06:20] Speaker A: I would say you want to jump on Wednesday to do the college football preview. [01:06:25] Speaker B: What's today? [01:06:26] Speaker A: Today's Monday. [01:06:28] Speaker B: Okay, sure. [01:06:31] Speaker A: Or whenever you got time because, what, New Year's day is, what, Thursday? So that's when all the games go. [01:06:37] Speaker B: New Year's Eve is Wednesday, though. [01:06:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Or you want to do tomorrow night? I don't know. [01:06:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I might have to. Might have to. We'll. We'll talk about that. [01:06:47] Speaker A: Off. [01:06:49] Speaker B: All right. All right, dude, you're giving your six, seven stuff. [01:06:54] Speaker A: No. [01:06:55] Speaker B: All right. I guess. Yeah, we'll cover New Year's bowl games in the next day or two. Let me get this out. We'll talk any other first Wednesday of the new year. Basketball's on the schedule as a new podcast, so let your guy know. [01:07:13] Speaker A: He's ready, man. [01:07:14] Speaker B: Alternate. And you guys can alternate or you can buy. You guys can be on it. [01:07:18] Speaker A: I'm gonna go there tomorrow. I'll see if he's there. I haven't seen him in a while. He said he just got back from New York. [01:07:22] Speaker B: All right. [01:07:25] Speaker A: My b. Knicks fans now, as far as I know, Knicks fan. You might have jumped off the Laker bandwagon going to New York. You know, you never know, man. [01:07:34] Speaker B: Just a one guy that would do that. Dude, he looks like a guy that. [01:07:37] Speaker C: Goes to New York one time and then just takes a trip. And he's a Knicksman or he's. Who's he living? [01:07:41] Speaker B: He's from New York, isn't he? [01:07:43] Speaker A: I don't know. His sister lives out there, so he goes out there every, like, every holiday. [01:07:48] Speaker B: It's like one of these guys that go study abroad one time and then they. They want to get. [01:07:53] Speaker A: I was just joking. I mean, he's a big Laker guy. I mean, he was telling me, I don't know. I don't know how he's feeling about the team now, but like, the first two weeks in the season, he was like, oh, the Lakers could beat the Thunder, but we all know that's not gonna happen. [01:08:04] Speaker B: No, no. Still that athleticism. But I don't know. Anything can happen. Anything can happen. Giannis can end up a Laker. We'll see. All right, I'll do it for sources from the sofa. All right, go ahead, go ahead. You got, you got. You got the mic. You got two seconds here. [01:08:24] Speaker A: Any last words from the producer? [01:08:26] Speaker C: I think the Lamb's giving us the go home sign. It's time to wrap it up. [01:08:30] Speaker A: It sounds like the Lambs must be the Rams fan then. Right, that's where the old. All right. Bye. Bye. [01:08:36] Speaker B: All right. Wonderful stuff there. I'll do some editing at the end of this one. All right, that'll do it for source of the sofa. [01:08:43] Speaker A: Free trial labor. Rome. Keep it up, man. [01:08:47] Speaker B: Got it. You got it. Catch us next time. College Football Preview Round 2, Week 18 Preview and all that good stuff. We're out.