49ers Dead On Arrival, Chapel Bill, Make NBA Games Great Again, and Bets & Wagers for NFL Week 15

December 13, 2024 • 01:33:18
49ers Dead On Arrival, Chapel Bill, Make NBA Games Great Again, and Bets & Wagers for NFL Week 15
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49ers Dead On Arrival, Chapel Bill, Make NBA Games Great Again, and Bets & Wagers for NFL Week 15

Dec 13 2024 | 01:33:18

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Rome, Aaron, and Jaeson start the pod with a recap of a classic terrible Thursday Night Football game with the Rams defeating the Niners on a cold night in Santa Clara, Bill Belichick or "Chapel Bill" bringing young blood into Chapel Hill (11:09), and finally some NBA talk with the Emirates Cup and ideas to make it make more sense, exciting, and the games relevant again (27:57). Then it's onto Thursdays lines for Week 15 in the NFL (44:33) with smart bets and wagers to take, some upsets to look for, and Rome getting the guys (Jaeson in particular) fired up for his take that the Bears need to get a "culture" hire (01:16:28). It's a fun pod you don't want to miss!

 
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[00:00:05] Speaker A: All right, it's Thursday night. We're recording a little later than usual. 9:00pm Pacific Time. This source from the sofa. We got the full lineup. Me, Jason Aaron, Thursday Night Football, not very exciting. Pretty dull game. I thought it's gonna be pretty exciting based the way the 49ers looked last week. They came out dominating the Bears. They look like they kind of woke up like, all right, this is the second half push that we see the Niners do the past few years and it was just like a battle of field goal kicks. I watched the highlights again at the end on the Amazon telecast and they didn't even show the Rams field goals. They only showed the Niners field goals, which just two, I think a couple Debo dropped balls, nice K reception in the, in the first quarter which accounted for like most of his yardage. And then Brock Purdy not looking very good. I'm a big Brock Purdy guy, but that game did not do me any justice. He did not look very good. Only a buck 40. Actually. Both quarterbacks didn't do too much on the offensive side. Buck 60, buck 40 interception for Purdy. Kyron Williams did get 100 plus yards. This Rams team is kind of interesting though. They have some pretty big wins, a few disappointing losses, but they kind of managed all like the injuries from the first half of the season. Now they're looking pretty good coming towards the tail end 8 and 6, whereas the Niners are 6 and 8. I think it's safe to say that, you know, we already said that they're done, but they're done done now, right? [00:01:39] Speaker B: They're dead, man. They are dead. [00:01:43] Speaker C: Yeah, it's, it's over. Probably looking at a two man race here for the NFC west and kind of like the last playoff spot, I guess to a degree could come down to a Seattle Rams game at the end of the season. Maybe even the flex into the Sunday night game. I think we talked about the, we talked about this a couple weeks ago. The, the old. Was it the 6 and 8 verse? 6 and 8 for the division title or something like that matchup that we had? Yeah, better than 6 and 8 this year. But I mean the Rams only a half game back of Seattle right now. So it's close and it could end right there on the last night of the season for the NFC West. But I don't know who is more upset from tonight. Was it going to be Niners fans or every Cooper cup fantasy owner who threw up a zero tonight in, in the first round of the many fantasy playoffs tonight? So that. That's gonna, that's gonna hurt if you got Cooper cup on your playoff fantasy roster. [00:02:42] Speaker A: I typically log on to X and IG right after the game and they were quick with the memes, man, it was like 10 seconds afterwards. I was in a meeting, so I was keeping track online. But Cooper cup fans really upset. What was this, like the finals or like the first playoffs? First round. [00:03:02] Speaker C: First round of playoffs this week. So they're gonna have owners who gave them. And now it's. They're probably sunk going into the week. [00:03:08] Speaker B: Probably. [00:03:08] Speaker C: Your number one wide receiver puts up a zero. [00:03:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll come out of retirement next year. [00:03:13] Speaker B: I'll. [00:03:13] Speaker A: I'll be back in fantasy. We'll have our own fantasy league as well. But yeah, that and then also Niners fans. A lot of my friends are Niners fans, both from LA and especially up here. And they were talking mad on Purdy Debo and his zesty ass quote, unquote, as some friends are posting off on ignorance. Terrible O line. I guess I missed it, but Herb Streak called out Williams on the telecast and wasn't even Williams. So people are going having a field day with that. [00:03:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I saw that. [00:03:47] Speaker A: It's pretty great. [00:03:49] Speaker B: Well, they were talking about him and then they zoomed in on a guy in a hoodie and they're like, oh, there's Trent Williams there. I'm like, that doesn't look like Trent Williams. And then they showed him at the start of the third quarter up in the box, just chilling there. Why it's raining outside. And like, oh. Then Al Michael's like, oh, there's big Trent there he is. [00:04:05] Speaker C: I'm not sure Aaron and I are the ones to give play by play guys some hard time for identifying players. Once upon a time, Aaron and I did some play by play work for some local high schools, and I don't think we called the players very well of what was going on in the field. [00:04:21] Speaker A: So, yeah, unless you're watching nonstop. But no, it was really funny. I really wanted to go to the game. Tickets dropped down like for decency. It's like a hundred bucks. I called my friends, Will and Bonnie, asked them what they were going. They said Will's already, you know, throwing emails from the team weeks ago. Yeah. So they went to Vegas instead. So I was hoping to snoop up their. Their tickets. But then when it started raining, I didn't know it's gonna rain this week. It's raining and it's actually cold. Like It's a chilly 50 degrees, whatever it is. [00:04:51] Speaker B: Low 50s, high 40s. It was over there with the windshields. [00:04:54] Speaker A: It's actually kind of freezing. I've been cold for the first time up here, but kind of dreadful. So I'm like, you know what? It's not even worth going to game. So glad I didn't get free tickets because that would have been miserable. 12 to 6. Was that the final score? [00:05:09] Speaker C: 12 to 6, no touchdowns, field goals. Oh, this is a vintage Thursday night football game from back in the day. [00:05:17] Speaker A: Dude, I would drank myself to death if I went to that game. Like, I would have, like been bored. Knocking back those bud lights or whatever they have and then trying to find like a hot toddy to keep warm. There's like a crazy one tunnel that goes to that stadium too. It's all aluminum. It's like hanging out like an aluminum can. So it'd been miserable. [00:05:36] Speaker B: Well, Jason was there last week or. That's right, a few days ago. So he knows all about the stadium. [00:05:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:41] Speaker B: It's funny. The Rams Sunday afternoon put up 44 points and the 49ers put up 38. [00:05:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:49] Speaker B: And today combined those ugly managed 18 points and no offensive touchdowns. [00:05:54] Speaker A: I just don't get it. Like, it like, was there anything that you guys saw in the game specifically that, like why it was such a struggle, like why it was such a. A battle between the trenches. [00:06:04] Speaker B: I mean, whether the first half obviously played a factor into it. I mean, the 49ers. Say what you want, I think they gave this game away again. They should have. They should have had four interceptions in the first half. [00:06:16] Speaker A: Really? [00:06:16] Speaker B: Three real easy ones. Like literally thrown right to them. They dropped it. No, one guy. One guy was a safety. He couldn't catch it because he had a club on his hand. So he tried to basically bounce it off his chest and bread basket it. So, I mean, Matt Stafford had 23 yards passing in the first half. [00:06:34] Speaker A: Dude, that's. [00:06:35] Speaker B: That's wild finish for what you said 60. [00:06:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:39] Speaker B: 51 with 51 yards was out to Nakua late midway through the fourth quarter. [00:06:44] Speaker A: That was a nice dude. He was wide open. They just totally slept on defense on that one. [00:06:49] Speaker B: So the Niners, they blitzed them that time. They picked it up, no safety help. And Puka got behind them and got that 51 yard gain that eventually led to the field goal that they went up nine, six. But like you said, Brock Birdie was not good, throwing deep balls, missing short on all of them. Well, he released game. [00:07:09] Speaker A: What was that throw? He overthrew the wide receiver on the right Hand side Jennings. It was about like 5 yards. Yeah. Then they caught in the end zone. Yeah, yeah. [00:07:16] Speaker B: Every other, every other throw he was about, you know, a yard to two yards short. So offensively not a good game for both sides. [00:07:24] Speaker C: A pretty huge drop by Debo. When I don't. I think it was in the second half. [00:07:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:07:31] Speaker C: That was third down right in his hands. Dropped. I know that was conversation going into the game. You know, something on X about he's having a down year, he's going something like that. And Debo responded. I just need to get the ball. And I think he was community, you know, corrected around. He has the most drops on the team or something. So they are getting in the ball. It's just not getting there. So it was rough to watch. Again, this was, this might have been a vintage ASC South Thursday night game. Throwing back to 2019, but yeah, way different party than the one I saw last week. And oh yeah, a lot of the NERS fans. It's very interesting. I, I'm, I for one, you know, in top of complaining about coaches all the time for my team, I'm very, very surprised and how the Niner fans do not like Kyle Shanahan. And it was again tonight where this guy's supposed to be the offensive genius and can't get a touchdown and things going. And again tonight I was like hearing from fun Niners fans that I know that just are super upset with Shanahan who think he should be gone. I can't imagine they get getting rid of him. But there's, there's a really, there's a really groundswell. The fan base that he's holding this team back. [00:08:45] Speaker A: Well, it's not the first time this happened. It happens every two years when they don't make the playoffs. So it's on par right now. When they look bad, they look bad and it's bad. [00:08:53] Speaker B: I mean, yeah, I mean they have a ton of injuries. Debo, that was a big drop, probably gets a touchdown because that, you know, there's not no one within five yards. If he catches it, at least you got a first and goal to go. Big drop. Green Law came back, he was a force on defense, but then left in the third quarter with looks like a calf strain. And their defense from their Rams got the run game going as soon as he left. That's how Kyron Williams ended up with 100 plus yards. [00:09:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:20] Speaker B: So just we've talked about the Niners, Debo leading the league in drops, likely going to get cut at the End of the year or released or traded by the 49ers. And then just the injuries that they've had. Most Pro Bowls missing time this year, game wise, it's. It's just one of those years where the 49ers, if anything could go wrong, it has for him. [00:09:43] Speaker A: Yeah, technically, the Niners are still not out, I guess you can say. But Cardinals, they're dead. [00:09:49] Speaker B: I think they still have a loss. They had a 0.1% chance of making one. [00:09:53] Speaker A: I thought it was point. [00:09:55] Speaker B: Oh, Michael said they're on live support. [00:09:57] Speaker A: Arizona has lost three in a row now. You got Seahawks now. That serve there. Yeah. Rams is the third win in a row. Looks like they're starting to separate. So, Aaron, man, at least our Seahawks pick. That's good. Look, looking good. Everything else is kind of dead in the water. [00:10:17] Speaker B: Like Jason mentioned, it will come down to week 18. Rams, Seattle. It is what it's shaping up to, and it should be a good game. [00:10:24] Speaker A: Where would it be? [00:10:25] Speaker B: So far? It is at. So fine. [00:10:27] Speaker A: Let's go. [00:10:28] Speaker B: I got a guy that has tickets. All check if that becomes the game. [00:10:32] Speaker A: Oh, my God. What weekend is that? That's the first weekend. [00:10:37] Speaker C: January 5th. [00:10:38] Speaker A: Let's go. Oh, man. That'd be kind of fun. Cool. I think that does it for Monday Night Football. [00:10:50] Speaker B: Thursday night. [00:10:51] Speaker C: Thursday. [00:10:51] Speaker A: Thursday night. Thanks, guys. I don't want to do lines yet. I think we should touch up on a few other things. First, let's do a little Belichick talk. And then I think if you guys want to touch upon a little college football, we can. Unless we just want to. Yeah, Belichick in college football. Aaron, when you were talking about your school, man, I. My bad. I was dead tired. I totally, like, overlooked you. I was like, dude, I don't want to talk about floor. Florida State. I didn't realize that they just got a head coach to quit his job and then become the offensive coordinator at Florida State. That's a big pickup, dude. And. And you did talk about it, and it just, like. I just totally blanked out. When you talked about it last week. [00:11:29] Speaker B: I. I do. I do remember talking about it. Rome. And you were like, hey, you know what? You basically. You basically said, they're irrelevant right now. Let's move on. So we did. [00:11:39] Speaker A: So my bad. But that's actually a big pickup. So, yeah, Socket. Little college football. Let's do a little NBA cup. Really quick segment. Just want to talk about the floors, especially. [00:11:49] Speaker B: And then you got your top five NBA cup floors. You told me you were going to come up with a list earlier. [00:11:53] Speaker A: You know what? I couldn't find enough highlights. But like at least my favorite one so far. I can name my favorite one. [00:12:00] Speaker B: The Rockets. It's got to be the Rockets. [00:12:01] Speaker A: The Rockets. [00:12:02] Speaker B: I did like that, right? [00:12:03] Speaker A: It was actually a cool atmosphere. It kind of bought me in a little bit. So let's do college football real quick. So thoughts on Belichick signing with the University of Northern North Carolina Chapel Bill, as they're billing it, which is pretty cool. His dad coached there between 51 and 53, I believe, or 53 and 55, can't remember. And so he spent some time there. So it's coming home to him. There's been like lots of rumors or like stuff coming out. Like Bill kind of got like a sour taste in his mouth from the NFL from not getting anything last year. And he's been spending this whole time while he's been on the media smiling. He's been hanging out with all his buddies down the college ranks. And I don't know if a lot of people knew now he got all this inside intel and how these other programs have been going to. He's been going to games, hanging on the sidelines. And then he was ready to go because he wasn't looking for this North Carolina job. But once they approached him, he had this 400 page manifesto. Sorry, that's. That's the CEO guy, the manifesto. But you know what I'm saying, a 400 page document. And he killed it. Another pun. Sorry, I didn't mean to go there either. But you know, now he's there. They fired Mac Brown, which I was a big fan of Mac Brown, especially when it's at Texas. But in my opinion he didn't look so great this past season. Aaron has different thoughts, I believe, at least I think still finished 500, right? [00:13:36] Speaker B: Got into a ball game. [00:13:37] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, because he's getting old. But then they hire a guy that's a year older on a five year contract. But Belichick does know how, does know how to recruit. He has a 24 year old girlfriend. I think he's younger, he's vibrant, you know, he's feeling the blood flow. And when he was on the Pat McAfee Show, I think like a week or two ago when they were asking him, he kind of, kind of said like, well, if I went to college, you know, like this is barely when the rumor started. Kind of like if I went there, it would basically be like an NFL program. Kind of like a stepping stone to go in the NFL, nutrition, all that good stuff. So I don't know, I didn't think it would be a good fit, but I'm kind of buying into it. I, I think it's a great fit for Bill and he was like it going after the record, especially Andy Reid. He's really close to it. Anyways, for the all times win list for coaches, I'm kind of digging it. What are you guys thoughts? [00:14:31] Speaker C: I'm a fan of it. I've mentioned in previous pods Belichick's desire in a football situation with the Patriots to have total control in the pros. It's a little bit hard to be able to be the general manager or president of the team and be in the head coach. Just a lot of moving parts in the NFL in college that model works. These guys are CEOs of a program and they have total control. He gets to pick all the players he wants. You know, the no salary cap type stuff. And Belichick notoriously like, you know, in the, in the pros wasn't taking, you know, top round first round talent. He was taking guys deep in the draft and developing these guys into, you know, Pro Bowlers themselves. I'm going to take a little cross player and turn them into a wide receiver that's going to go to a Pro Bowl. I'm going to take a late round wide receiver, turn him into this. I'm going to take my cornerback and have him play. You know, I'll draft two tight ends, I'll make him two of the, two of the best tight ends of all time in a different type of offense and adaptability. So Belich Belichick at his core is a teacher and in this, yeah, in, in this setup he gets total control. He gets to be able to develop kids. And you go to a conference like the ACC where you know, besides Aaron's Florida State Seminoles and I guess you got Dabo and maybe a Miami, but you know, this isn't the sec so he's going to be able to out coach a ton of these guys. Even you think about Miami where that guy's a great recruiter but he's got a lot of questions on the field. Now the questions around Belichick is probably more about recruiting. How is he going to be able to get players there. But he's going to get the most out of these guys every single week and win a lot of games in the sec and I guess it'll be the desirability of high school kids and people in the transfer portal that want to go there. And if his selling point is like, I'm the greatest NFL coach of all time, I know what it takes to get you in the league. Whether you're going to be a five star prospect or hey, even a two star prospect, that is not believed in. But over a three, four year period, I can develop you to get to the pros. There's, there's a lot there that's attractive to that job. And I. This is an interesting way to end, you know, a Hall of Fame career where he's got, you know, this lengthy resume of Super Bowls. But this probably could be the right fit. And I think Saban is, is a good model for how he's probably going to run this program. And I think the acc, you know, is a, is a better conference to do this in for a five year period. [00:17:01] Speaker A: So do I. I think the ACC is open and I kind of like their chance to be really competitive in a year or two. So I think it's like a good move. [00:17:10] Speaker B: I mean, yeah, he's going to the ACC conference. It's, it's a weaker conference, but like I think I said on the last pod, it's a conference that can build up. You got Florida State, you got Clemson, you got Miami, you got smu, Louisville's good in that conference. Now North Carolina is going to be in the mix. So you got six to seven teams that, you know, any year can compete for that conference. I think the key for North Carolina now, something they didn't do with Mac Brown, is they're putting money into the program. I mean, Mack Brown, like you said, rome championship coach, 5 million a year, they double the salary. Billicheck's making 10 nil money. Mac Brown got 4 million, Belichick's getting 20 mil. The key is for North Carolina, can they get the right players to come in there through the transfer portal and nil. If they get the right players that fit into Billicheck's mix, they're going to be good. If they don't get the talent, then they're going to be what they are, you know, 6 and 6, 8 and 4 at best. So we'll see. It's going to be a lot of one year rental players where guys are going to be like, hey, I'm trying to make that transition to the pros. Whether you're first rounder like Jason said, or fifth or sixth looking prospect, hey, what's the nil money you're looking for? 200, 250, 300k. We got a spot for You, I don't think Belichick and North Carolina could do a good job recruiting, because recruits today, high school recruiting is not the same it used to be. Guys don't want to stay there at a program for two to three years. They go to a program, after a year or two, they're not playing. They put their name in the portal. Another Power 5 or Group of 5 team is going to offer you money, and you're going to go there because you just want to play. You want to get paid and get transparency going so you can show film to all the scouts out there. So I think it could work for North Carolina. They're paying Billich like a, you know, championship program. 10 million a year, 20 in nil. He's bringing up a bunch of guys that are basically going to be scouts, gms for him. And then he's going to coach and teach, like Jason said, the players. So we'll see how it works out. I think year one is going to be a building thing, but probably similar to what Deion's doing at Colorado. I figured North Carolina is going to kind of do the same model again. Can they get the players and can they get a quarterback that can play at a high level? [00:19:20] Speaker A: Speaking of changes, we have a few other ones. UNLV hired Dan Mullen, former coach at the Gators. Did you guys like that one? [00:19:35] Speaker B: I did like that move. I mean, unlv, UNLV is putting money behind the program. And that was one of the things that attracted Dan Mullen. Remember the quarterback that left mid season. I mean, Circus Sports was willing to pay the hundred thousand dollars to keep him right on the spot, but he'd already entered his name. [00:19:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:52] Speaker B: So unlv, you know, they played Allegiance Stadium. The program's been moving up. Barry Odom was a good coach there. He took the job at Purdue. [00:20:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:00] Speaker B: You know, interesting going from UNLV to Purdue. I don't know if that's an upgrade or not, but you do get that Big Ten money. So we'll see. Produce has a good history in the past. Bad year this year, Dan Mullen going there, he's going to get nil money. He's going to get what he wants. That attract him to the job. We already know there's a lot of money going into the Vegas there. Plenty of boosters, plenty of people coming in. Got the new baseball stadium that's going to get built there. So UNLV could be a program out west that could become the big boys now that UCLA and USC have kind of Fallen on hard times. [00:20:32] Speaker A: Yeah, they've had like a nice little string of a couple successful campaigns here and they're, they got some nice prime time games this past year as well. Some drama. I kind of like where they're going. [00:20:45] Speaker C: Yeah, Aaron mentioned it. The growing market that is Las Vegas. You know, you're bringing pro teams in the last decade or so. Now you're going to make this, you know, the staple of a big time college football. You're bringing a coach with SEC experience, although it wasn't the greatest SEC experience, but you know, he's been in big time programs, coached in big time games and now, hey, this is a program on the rise on a conference that's got a little more showcase out in the Mountain west that seemingly to me got that little more shine this year without the Pac 12 anymore. So this becomes almost the West Coast. This is conference at this point with. But you get a Boise State UNLV matchup here at the end. It's a, it's a good hire for a program that's going to continue to build. I agree with Aaron for, for the previous coach going to Purdue, man. Because Purdue, that's a rough, that's a rough program and a rough conference right now to be trying to rebuild something so. But good for nlv. [00:21:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Another big move. West Virginia hired Rich Rodriguez. He had a nice little 10 again. Yeah, he's back. [00:21:52] Speaker C: Richard back. [00:21:53] Speaker A: Richard is back. I remember when he got hired by Michigan, I'm like, you know what, I'm not really digging this higher. Had a terrible tenure which led to Brady Hoke. Hoke had a better time there but wasn't good enough. And then Harbaugh was there. But after Michigan, he's been jumping around from college program to college program. Arizona had some success there. I think he went to a bowl game, cameras like the Fiesta or Orange bowl. And then he was just recently at Jackson State. Is that right? [00:22:25] Speaker B: Jacksonville State. [00:22:26] Speaker A: Jacksonville State. And they got like a little more press back to back winning campaigns and. [00:22:32] Speaker B: Conference USA championship champ this past year. [00:22:35] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's always weird when like former, I guess when coaches come back for like round two. I don't think it's always positive the second time around. Look at Mac Brown. Look at, I can't pull up the list right now, but you know, it's never as good as the first time. It's like getting back with like your ex wife. Right. You already split up, you're gonna go back and try it again. [00:22:58] Speaker B: Well, nothing's ever, nothing's ever as Great as the first time, man. You know, it's. Unless the first time was bad. I mean, Rich Roth had great success at West Virginia. I forget what kind. I was kind of reading up on it. What led to the split was money or something or negotiations. And Michigan obviously was hurting. You know, Michigan's gonna throw big money at you. At that time, West Virginia was in the Big East. Yeah, I'm not sure if I believe Virginia Tech and Miami had already left. So West Virginia was basically the big dog there. Won a couple whatever New Year's Eve or New Year's Day bowl games, Fiesta bowl mixed in there. But I like Rich Rod going there. He's always been a good coach, good offensive guy, stand up dude. I think he'll do well by West Virginia because I'm always, I've always liked West Virginia. It's always good when they're pretty good. So the Big 12 getting a good coach and hopefully get that program turned around. [00:23:53] Speaker A: Nice. Anything else you guys want to talk about college football before we take a quick break? [00:24:01] Speaker C: College football awards were tonight and you saw Travis Hunter winning kind of the lion's shares of that couple of the ones he won tonight. He won the Associated Press College football player of the year, won the Walter Camp Award as player of the year, won the best top defensive player award, won the cough award for best wide receiver. So looks like he's going to be, you know, pacing towards the Heisman, which we talked about. Ashton Gentee won the Maxwell Award as college football's top player. And the dope Walker were for the nation's top running back. So, so some, some awards there for Genti who is, you know, has had a great resume, his own. But this is kind of the, I guess the leading indicator that Travis Hunter probably gonna walk home with the Heisman here. Which is it this Saturday? The awards for the Heisman are. [00:24:53] Speaker A: Yeah, this Saturday. [00:24:54] Speaker B: I believe it is this Saturday. [00:24:56] Speaker A: You know what, him winning top receiver is kind of weird to me. [00:25:02] Speaker B: Travis Hunter one top wide receiver. [00:25:04] Speaker C: He did. [00:25:05] Speaker B: Wow. That is. That is very weird to me. I would not have given him that award. [00:25:09] Speaker A: No. I can name maybe at least half a dozen that were better, but. Huh. [00:25:17] Speaker B: I mean, AP College. You said AP College Football Player of the Year. I agree with that one. [00:25:22] Speaker C: Yep. [00:25:22] Speaker B: And probably defensive player of the year, but wide receiver of the year, definitely. Like with Rome, there's, there's a few wide receivers of thousand plus yards that had a bigger impact. [00:25:33] Speaker A: Most definitely Hunter did. [00:25:35] Speaker B: But yeah. [00:25:35] Speaker A: Do you guys agree with the Cam Ward winning top quarterback? [00:25:40] Speaker C: Yeah, he was most impactful and it was a sad kind of a, you know, wiltering down the switch with Miami because if there was a better campaign down the stretch for Miami, he probably would have thrown his hat into the ring, you know, for the Heisman as far as being a more serious contender. But yeah, but I, I don't know many quarterbacks probably better than Cam War that were playing that was the best transfer portal pickup in the off season that really transformed any program was Cam Ward. So I agree with that. [00:26:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean without Cam Warren, Miami's A500 team at best, maybe worse. Their defense was terrible. Cam Ward bailed them out of multiple, multiple games. [00:26:19] Speaker A: So yeah, yeah, they were the KC of the accident. Any favorites for the Heisman? [00:26:29] Speaker C: I think we talked to Travis Hunter. I would assume he wins it going away was the odds on favorite. Even with Gen D's good performance in the first half of the Mountain west championship game. It was kind of like, you know, the last showcase he could have done to win the award. We got 200 yards rushing that game. Now second best I think rushing yard season overall behind. Was it Barry Sanders? I think it was. Still had the most all time. [00:26:52] Speaker B: But he can, he can break it on the bowl games. But yeah, okay, playoff games. [00:26:56] Speaker C: But yeah, but yeah, with, with Travis Hunter winning, you know, top defensive, top receiver awards there, you know, a two way player, it's a special kind of unicorn, you know, type, type player that you don't see very often. You know, almost like, I guess almost a Shohei Otani effect here. Able to things on both sides of the ball. I'd expect him to win it. [00:27:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I got the odds right now up for my bookmaker. Travis Hunter is minus 3, 300 to win. So that's basically 3, 300 to win 100 bucks. Genti is. Genti comes in at second at plus 900. So 100. So the odds, the odds of Hunter not winning it would be shocking based off what we're seeing. [00:27:43] Speaker A: Cool. I think that's good for me. We'll take a quick break, we'll come back, talk a little NBA cup briefly before we get into the Lions. All right. I do want to talk a little bit about NBA basketball. We're like right in the middle of the NBA cup. We had the quarterfinals. It was a Doradi round, I guess this past week on Tuesday and Wednesday or just Tuesday. [00:28:16] Speaker B: Tuesday, Wednesday, because Rockets were last night. [00:28:19] Speaker A: Yeah, on Tuesday the Thunder played. The Mavs won 118 to 104 and the Bucks defeated the Magic 114 and 109. On Wednesday, Hawks pull out the upset, defeating the Knicks on their home floor 108 to 100, which I kind of liked Trey Young doing, like that little dice roll on the center core. It was like, almost like planting the flag. Oh, which I forgot to mention. Do you hear about that state assemblyman trying to make it a felony if you plant a flag in the middle of Ohio State Stadium? [00:28:51] Speaker B: It's. It's a felony to even mention that on a bill, in my opinion. [00:28:54] Speaker A: So stupid. [00:28:56] Speaker C: Win the game, do better. [00:28:57] Speaker A: Oh, my God, dude. A felony. It's ridiculous. You're like, oh, it's the mildest felony. It's just two years in prison or $2,500. Like, that's so exchange. Our law system is so. [00:29:08] Speaker C: Well, I don't. I don't want to talk too much into what pisses me most off about college football with crap like this is like, oh, we got to put that for putting the flag because it incites violence. Someone's going to die at a college football game because they let these idiots run on the field and tear down the goalpost and go through stuff like that. [00:29:24] Speaker A: That's even worse. [00:29:25] Speaker C: It is absolutely worse. It's the only sport probably on the planet where you could do this stuff. And someone is going to get seriously injured or die in one of these times. People storm in the field or you're going to have a player like, seriously injure somebody because one of these idiots goes up to a player. Like, there's been instances before, but yeah. Oh, because we planted a plat flag, there's a fight. The interaction with fans overall is gonna think. And these guys, you know, oh, it's so cool when we rush the field because of an upset. [00:29:53] Speaker A: It's kind of cool. [00:29:54] Speaker C: It looks cool on TV until somebody gets hurt. [00:29:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, we saw that incident. I think it was maybe the last. It was last year. [00:30:01] Speaker A: We had a couple. [00:30:02] Speaker B: Well, even college basketball, you know, I think a Duke player got ran into. [00:30:07] Speaker A: Kind of Clark got pushed. [00:30:08] Speaker B: Bruce sprained his knee. I mean, yeah, it is fun. It is great as. As mentioned, as long as somebody doesn't get hurt. You know, football players, you got pads, you got helmets on. Like, if you want to punch a guy in the face mask and then get, you know, rent and have a bunch of guys tackle you. I mean, that's what they do anyway. [00:30:25] Speaker A: So it's not my favorite highlight of, like, I forgot what game it was. I. I think it was when Cal defeated Stanford. I guess one of the students from Stanford tried running up and stealing a cow helmet. And what was it, like the team manager or whatever that guy's name is, chase this guy across the field and tackle him. Just tackle them good. And they. That's my favorite part. [00:30:47] Speaker B: I mean, like we said before Rome, like, if you do stupid are gonna do stuff like that, just be prepared for somebody to come after you. It's just, you know, you want to plant the flag. Okay, well, somebody's gonna take that flag and throw it at you or, you know, break it or light it on fire. It's gonna happen. [00:31:04] Speaker A: It's just stupid games win stupid prizes. Anyways, I, I did like, like, like the Trey Young dice roll is really funny. They tried inciting some, some comments from, from the Knicks, but the next, like, two we didn't win. So who gives a. The other game, though, was Warriors. Rocke. I'm liking the Bucks. Giannis is playing out of his mind right now. I think he's playing like maybe 1B the best player in the world besides Jokic, really coming through. Damian Lillard has been clutched as well in the fourth quarter. I think he had the most points so far in the season in that fourth quarter. Magic are down a few guys right now. They don't have Paolo and then their other guy. I'm just dropping the name Aaron Wagner. Wagner, yeah, he just went out both with similar injuries, and they still capped it alive. Only lost by five points. That Magic team is legit. I definitely got some takes when we go to a deeper NBA dive, but I like them. [00:32:04] Speaker B: Them, I mean, they're young, they're tall and athletic. Man, going back to the Bucks, didn't. [00:32:09] Speaker C: Everyone leave them for dead like a month ago? [00:32:11] Speaker A: They did, and they've been playing pretty solid for the past several weeks. Not great. They're not like, destroying people, but playing pretty good basketball. It's all behind Giannis. He's just playing lights out. [00:32:23] Speaker B: They're nine and two in their last 11 here. [00:32:25] Speaker A: Yes. [00:32:26] Speaker B: So after being, I think, started the year, what, 2 and 8? [00:32:30] Speaker A: Well, and then when you count last year when Doc Rivers took over, they were like under 500. Got bounced out the playoffs. So, yeah, I don't know, maybe things are starting to click. Damien looks a little younger. Definitely playing like a top 25 player the other game on that Tuesday night. [00:32:44] Speaker B: Yeah, go to Damien Lillard, man. I mean, Damien l can play. He can still ball. Like, he didn't go to the Bucks to be the 1A. [00:32:51] Speaker A: No. [00:32:52] Speaker B: You know, he went there to basically supplement Giannis and Middleton and Kind of work with those guys. Those guys haven't been really healthy the whole time he's been there. So now maybe Milwaukee's getting something going there. But yeah, when winners of nine, their last 11, they're 13 and 11 overall. Six right now in the East. I think, you know, Rome, I think we even talked about this, you know, talk about moving Giannis to New York for Carl Anthony town some four first round picks. [00:33:20] Speaker A: Dude, I would do that. [00:33:21] Speaker B: Since then Milwaukee's like pit on the jets and been winning here. [00:33:26] Speaker A: Well, there's also rumors around that we can touch on it. Brooklyn Nets have like a lot of assets and there's like the thinking there's like an easy trade that can happen, you know, so Milwaukee can kind of fortify their team. [00:33:39] Speaker B: But isn't this what Brooklyn always does? Make a bold move, suck at it, fails miserably and then they load up on a dozen draft picks again and then five years later, try the same thing again. [00:33:49] Speaker A: Brooklyn sucks at tanking now because they're like, now they're like, they're too good to tank and they're just like hovering as like a decent, fun, you know, NBA pass team. And you know, hey man, I was kind of thinking if Milwaukee is going to struggle, that Gianna's trade request is going to come and all of a sudden he, you know, Brooklyn might be a player for that because they have all the assets and plenty of cast base to do it. But not right now. So we'll just have to put a pause on that but valid point. But the other game though, I just pulled the bracket, just totally lost it. Thunder and Mavs. Mavs are definitely one of the top teams in the NBA right now. They look really nice. Clay Thompson's playing great basketball. Luca unstoppable. Kyrie still got mad handles. They didn't play great and they still gave the Thunder. They're all made that a game. It was a lot closer than what the final score was. But Thunder's defense, if there's anything that really stuck out, they're lengthy. They don't even have homegrown yet. You know, once they get him that team, I really don't see who can be beat them. They're loaded. Sga. He kind of reminds me of a more athletic AI if that makes sense. Small guy can penetrate, pop open for threes, got some slick moves. Not the. He has great handles for some reason. It's like a little more slow motion than AI Kyrie, but really great team. They look really solid. I think they might be the Favorite to win the cup. [00:35:17] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, talking about sga, he reminds me similar, like you said, like, he's kind of slower. Move it like a Luca, but a little quicker than Luca. [00:35:29] Speaker A: Yeah, he's like slow motion, quick. [00:35:31] Speaker B: He plays slow, but it can be quick. Like, Luca just kind of always plays slow. [00:35:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:36] Speaker B: But SG8, like, it's slow, but he has that burst to get behind you. And he's long and kind of lanky. He can finish at the rim. So that's what makes him really tough. Like, he just looks like he's going in slow mo. And then kind of gives you that quick move and you're like, oh, he's already by me. And he finishes at the bucket. [00:35:51] Speaker A: Yeah. And the, the fans there at the Thunder, man, every time they went on like a little spree, I think there was like, at one point they. They made like three or four or three pointers at, you know, at once. Had like a nice cushion before the Mass. Made a push in the fourth quarter. But fucking exciting team. That's definitely somebody to look out for, you know, down the street, I think. You know, I just don't see anyone else getting the number one seed in the west in the future. And then to the Wednesday's games. Great win by the Hawks. I'll play the Knicks every step of the way. And then the warriors. Rockets. Rockets won, 91 to 90. Controversy. I actually watched the game. It was a lot of fun. I like the Rockets, man. They're like a year or two ahead of schedule. We did make some, you know, conversation like, like, like the preseason. Although we were like two weeks in about what Yumi Hidoka can do with this team. Great first year over there. And one of the key points was like, can he keep his dick in his pants to just coach this team? And so far he's doing that, like, phenomenally because they've. I don't know. They're definitely. Are they the second or third best team in the. In, in. In. In the Western Conference? I don't know. [00:37:00] Speaker B: They got the second best record right now. I know Houston, he's brought over a toughness to that team. They're tough. You know, they play good defense. I think statistically they have the second best defense in the league per 100 possessions. However, the NBA measures that out. But young, talented team. We know he's a damn good coach. He would have won a title in Boston. Unfortunately, unfortunately, circumstances there didn't work out. Now he's in Houston. He's now in Houston. Got talent. They brought in Van Fleet last year. They're building on something they're going to get in the playoffs. I think they're probably a little raw and young to make a real legit move. Yeah. Some more veteran teams with Dallas, Minnesota, Denver, if they can ever get their together and like you mentioned, Thunder, Thunder ready to take that next step. So they're likely the favorites to come out of the West. [00:37:50] Speaker A: Yeah, Rockets definitely had a schedule, but man, they look, they're a fun team to watch. What happened at the end of that game was, dude, I'm drawing a blank. They got tangled up. Typically, you know, the Rockets secure the ball. Typically that's like a timeout or a jump ball. They were letting them play yesterday and the refs blew a foul and I was kind of caught off guard. I was like, oh, Kurt lost his lid. He's screaming. He was screaming even in the, in the post conference saying we want to go to Vegas, we wanted to win the NBA cup. Which I think is kind of. Maybe he want, he really want to win it because he knows they don't have a chance to win anything else this year. But I like the Rockets so I had no problem with it. [00:38:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean I know Rome, we talked about it, but I think Jason would agree with me. These games in the NBA cup especially these games are played for a hundred thousand dollars. You're seeing a 9190 score, NBA intensity, defense, passion. Something the NBA is lacking as a whole during the regular season. These games mean something to the players. [00:38:56] Speaker A: These games were all good. Only one under 100. [00:38:59] Speaker B: Well, you had a 100 to 108. Those are classic old school NBA games. Not you know, the typical 142, 132 game. The over under in that Hawks game was 237 and a half. Because the odds maker thought this was just a regular NBA game. No, it's a sim. It's a quarterfinal in the NBA cup and it meant something to these players. And that's why we got good basketball. That's why Kerr was mad. That's what I want to see. So I'll wake up and watch the NBA. Maybe I'll watch the cup games because it looks like maybe they're intense enough. [00:39:29] Speaker A: I actually enjoyed all the games. [00:39:31] Speaker C: I know this cup isn't gonna get the traction that it probably deserves. [00:39:35] Speaker A: I still don't get the point of it. [00:39:36] Speaker C: Maybe, maybe in our lifetime. It doesn't get the TR it deserves, but it makes entertaining basketball in the time of the year where people like Aaron and I do not Give a crap at what's going on in basketball during college football season. It's, you know, Christmas Day was kind of the launch of basketball. Really. [00:39:55] Speaker A: That's what they kick off. Yeah. [00:39:56] Speaker C: And for some people, it's the All Star break in February is really the kickoff. You don't even get Christmas Day because it's like, all right, post super bowl, now we'll care about basketball as a country. I think it gives them something to play for, have some meaningful games. You know, it's taken from the soccer model. I'm a big fan of this stuff within season tournaments because there's different things to play for, you know. Will it catch on here? I don't think probably in our generation. But hey, you look, you know, 20 years down the road when we start accumulating different NBA Cups, and they're potentially, hey, there's some pride. Every year in the fall, we're playing for NBA Cups. You know, you turn it into something that's a tradition. It's just these. These first couple years, no one's going to care about it as much as it may be long down the road, they will. [00:40:40] Speaker A: I still don't understand the point of it. I get it's trying to make the regular season count a little more before Christmas. I know in December, that's when I start paying attention. So it kind of makes sense. I'm starting to crave NBA more. I'm watching it. College football's done. You know, we got extra Saturdays now. I'm watching hockey, which I didn't watch years past. But if there's like a few things that you can change to make it worthwhile. I kind of heard some ideas on podcasts in the radio. But there's besides extra money, like, what is the incentive? Right. Besides more cash? And I heard an idea, and I think they should implement something like this, where if you win the NBA cup, you're guaranteed, at the very least, the number succeed. [00:41:22] Speaker C: You could. Yeah. I mean, there could be stakes. [00:41:24] Speaker A: That'd be kind of cool, right? [00:41:25] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't. I don't know what the stakes would be and the. The difference. You know, you take this model from. From soccer because they have in season tournaments, like, soccer teams are playing three seasons at a time, but they have. [00:41:38] Speaker A: Three different leagues to play with. We only have one. [00:41:41] Speaker C: True. And that's what is. But I mean, MLS does like a US cup, but you're also playing for the MLS Cup. But like. But the difference in soccer a lot of times is the regular season. There is no playoffs in The English Premier League. It's the regular season, is it? There is no playoffs. So we add the stakes to the tournament at the end of the year, and that's what makes regular. Yeah, that's what, that's what. It doesn't mean anything during the regular season. So. Yeah, I mean, you could, you could put some. Hey, you win the cup, you're guaranteed a playoff spot, X, Y and Z. Although at the same time, if you do that, you know, does that team do anything the rest of the regular season? Because, hey, if you're, you know, I don't know who. Looking at this list out, it was maybe the Hawks. You know, they're. I don't know where they're in the standings right now, but maybe they're a fringe playoff team. And now, okay, what am I doing the rest of the season? I'm guaranteed the six seed. So I think there's some different things on what the consequences would be from the season. From, you know, end of December all the way through April. If you're already locked in at a six seed, you know, winning the regular season now you're taking some stakes away from the rest of the regular season for a team. [00:42:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, six seeds, probably a little high, maybe a guarantee to. For a play in and go from there. [00:42:53] Speaker A: I think that's good enough. [00:42:54] Speaker B: But I mean, I mean, the Hawks right now are the seventh seed, half game back of the Bucks, who they actually are playing this upcoming semifinal matchup. So essentially winning. Agreed. I mean, let's say the Hawks do win this and then Trae Young gets hurt, and then they drop, you know, all the way to 12th in the league. Now you're automatically going to pin them in the sixth spot in the playoffs. It's. It's kind of tricky to say, hey, if you win the NBA cup, you're guaranteed a top spot in the NBA playoffs. I don't see them going that far. [00:43:28] Speaker A: But, yeah, I don't see the plans enough, though. You guys have any other ideas? [00:43:33] Speaker C: Wow. I know it's an unpopular opinion, and hockey and basketball will never do it, but there's a lot of advantages football has in this country because of the one game a week type stuff. And if you were to incentivize this the way. And I'm bringing a lot of soccer Paris into this because the English Premier League, they play one English Premier League a game. They do it like football, one game a week. So during the week when you have a different game, you're playing a different competition at the same time. So you're trying to put this all in. So it would take a more of a, I think, mass change to the structure of the regular NBA season season, you know, to reduce overall NBA regular season inventory. Playing for the NBA championship. And then maybe you're making this in season NBA cup something different with a select number of teams and invites. But I. I would be a massive overhaul of what. What you do. And you can't take away any games that are promised to the TV networks. [00:44:33] Speaker A: Yeah, it's not happening. Cool. Hawks and Bucks on Saturday. Rocket Sun. Are you guys have any favorite picks you guys want to throw out there before we take a quick break? [00:44:45] Speaker B: I'll take the Bucks in Thunder. [00:44:48] Speaker A: And who you got winning? [00:44:52] Speaker B: I'll say Thunder win it. [00:44:54] Speaker A: Okay. [00:44:55] Speaker C: I'll make it boring and I'll agree with Aaron. [00:44:57] Speaker A: Sounds good. [00:45:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:03] Speaker A: So favorites right now, Oklahoma City Thunder favorite plus 115 bucks are next at plus 270. Houston Rockets start at plus 400. And Atlanta Hawks have plus 550. Thunder are just really good. But if there's anyone that could possibly beat them if there's a down game, I think the Bucks can possibly do it. So that'll be like my dark horse, but yeah. All right. Yeah. Let's take a quick break, come back and do lines. It's that time of the week. Time for NBA Lions. [00:45:40] Speaker C: NFL. [00:45:41] Speaker A: Oh, NFL Lions. I had a theme song played in my head, man. I. And now you it up. I couldn't sing it. [00:45:53] Speaker C: You're singing John Tesh from the NBA on NBC in your head. [00:45:56] Speaker A: God damn it. Yeah, it's been a long day. That's Great. All right. NFL lines. I'm going off of FanDuel this week just because the easiest thing to pull up and I just. I'm just lazy. I'm. But by the way, in case no one asked me, but I'm like 70. Recovered from this past weekend from Christmas parties exhaust. I've been sleeping eight, nine hours every day. I usually don't do that. So. [00:46:35] Speaker C: We didn't ask because you're already telling us about the next party you're going to. [00:46:39] Speaker A: Oh, that's right. [00:46:41] Speaker B: Even though never drinking, never doing another party again was mentioned on the Monday pod. [00:46:47] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, I already started scoping out the invites of who's going. I'm trying to invite this cute Colombian girl that I met at the last party. She doesn't drink, doesn't do anything. [00:46:58] Speaker B: Maybe you should. Maybe you should follow her motto at this party and just don't drink. [00:47:02] Speaker A: Trustworthy slutty. Hot and just don't do anything. Yeah, I might have to, actually. [00:47:08] Speaker C: And don't drink. [00:47:09] Speaker A: And don't drink. Yeah. You know what the funny thing I was gonna say, like I was gonna buy some NA Heineken or something. I never do that. But I just figured it might be kind of cool in case no one else drank. I'm gonna do that next time. In case of some hot girl that doesn't drink. I'm in. You know, I'll be my end. [00:47:26] Speaker C: Those are endorsed by Max Verstappen. [00:47:28] Speaker A: Are they? [00:47:29] Speaker C: They are. [00:47:30] Speaker A: Well, what does he not endorse? Like what, what does Hamilton endorse? [00:47:37] Speaker B: Ferrari. [00:47:38] Speaker C: Yeah. Expensive clothes and jewelry. [00:47:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't want to endorse anything Verstappen endorses. Well, let me know what other race car driver endorses like a non alcoholic beer at all. [00:47:52] Speaker C: Beer. [00:47:53] Speaker B: Okay. [00:47:53] Speaker A: Or a double zero. Well, non alcoholic, I guess does still have some alcohol. But a double zero has nothing. Nothing. All right. Anyways, NFL lines. Week 15. First game I got up is Washington Commanders visiting the New Orleans saints. Saints given seven and a half points, 43 and a half over under. [00:48:25] Speaker C: A lot of points in this game and several games this week. Yeah, Saints have kept a lot of games close recently with this. You. You got this at seven and a half right now. Yeah, it's a lot of points. But the Commanders, I think really hit their stride last week and I'm. I'm going to take the Commanders minus seven and a half. [00:48:48] Speaker A: Wow. [00:48:50] Speaker B: I'm going to go the opposite. I'm going to go with what Jason said before. Saints keep a lot of games close. This game is at home. I know Derek Carr is likely out. Concussion fracture, non throwing hand. I don't think that's really going to hurt them. I like the quarterback they're bringing in. Commanders just lost. I believe Noah Brown pretty much for the season. He's got a rib injury. Saints defense will keep it close. Seven and a half's a lot of points. I like the Saints getting seven and a half at home. [00:49:18] Speaker A: Nice. You're not picking the win outright. [00:49:21] Speaker B: No, but it wouldn't shock me if they do win this game outright. [00:49:25] Speaker A: I'm picking Washington to win, but I do got the New Orleans with the points. I know. Just one of those weird games. Cincinnati visiting Tennessee plus four and a half. For Tennessee over under 46 and a half. [00:49:42] Speaker C: You have four and a half or five and a half. [00:49:44] Speaker A: I got four and a half. You guys got five and a half. [00:49:49] Speaker C: I see five and a half on ESPN bet if you got four and a half. I'm definitely taking the Bengals, but I'm taking them regardless at five and a half at the same time, too. So Tennessee, pretty good defense. Disappointing against the Jags last week, but you're playing the best offense and, you know, best offense in the league with Burrow and Chase. Give me the four and a half minus four and a half of the Bengals. [00:50:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I would take the Bengals. I. I'd. Money line the Bengals here. Parlay to something else. Five points for the Bengals. They should still cover it, but their defense is really, really bad. I know Tennessee's offense isn't great. Maybe that win on the road Monday night against Dallas will help out a lot. The offense is like Jason mentioned is great. They're going to pit up some points. I don't care how good Tennessee's defense is. Give me the Bengals to win this game, but I'd stay away from the side. [00:50:41] Speaker A: Nice. I'm actually going to go Cincinnati. I'll give him four and a half and I'm going to go in the over 46 and a half. Miami Dolphins visiting the Houston Texans. I'm not liking the Texans down the stretch, man. Not happy about my super bowl pick from the beginning of the season. Houston given two and a half points or favor by two and a half. Rather 46 and a half over under. [00:51:12] Speaker C: Yeah. The last five games, the Texans are what, two and three. Close win against a Jags team without Trevor Lawrence in their last outing. Dolphins still something to play for here. As minimal as their playoff chances are. I'm going to take the Dolphins plus three. [00:51:37] Speaker B: I'm going to go the opposite. This is my lock of the week. Texans finally got a bye week. They'll feel rejuvenated. They finish Miami off for good. I like the Texans. I like them big here. [00:51:49] Speaker A: Big. [00:51:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:50] Speaker A: Nice. I do like Houston. This one just the money line. I'm gonna stay away from this one. I. I don't know. Miami has screwed me recently in the last few weeks. So. KC Chiefs against the Cleveland Browns. Chiefs four and a half point favorites away, 43 and a half over, under. [00:52:14] Speaker C: Well, if we were doing this on Sunday, we would have wanted to hit the Browns at six and a half. I think is where it opened. And it would have been great to get the Browns at that because they've. They've kept some competitive games, but as good as they have been the past couple weeks, you know, get beat by more than what, 14, 15 points against the Steelers. Had some big picks against that pretty epic Jameis performance with the Broncos the week prior. Even with that kind of going up and the Chiefs playing some close games. Ah man. Reluctantly I don't love it but I'm going to take the Chiefs at minus four. [00:53:00] Speaker B: I tend to agree here with Jason. I'm looking right now the Chiefs have gone 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 consecutive games. About covering. The Chiefs have gone 7 consecutive games. Like Jason mentioned, that line has gone down from six to four. James makes a lot of mistakes. I know they're at home. [00:53:22] Speaker A: Yep. [00:53:24] Speaker B: The safe play is Chiefs money line. But if I was taken aside, I would lean towards the Chiefs minus four. I just don't see the Browns winning here. But maybe Jameson, they get the run game going. But I would take, I would take the Chiefs here. [00:53:38] Speaker A: Nice. I'm gonna go the opposite way. Jameis has had a cold game, hot game, cold game, hot game, cold game. Last one was a cold game. I'm expecting James to come out hot at home and Cleveland in the upset. But just in case, I am taking Cleveland with the points, but I'm taking Cleveland straight up and with the points. The overrunner is kind of tricky. 43 and a half. I'm not sure what to expect because if James is on his three touchdown spree, this could hit the over. If not, this could be a under game. Could be like a 1612 game or it could be a 30, 20 something game. Who the knows? [00:54:18] Speaker B: I would leave with the overview there too. Rome, I think 43 and a half. Easy, easy. 24, 21. Maybe a pick six. Either way here. [00:54:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Dallas Cowboys visiting the Carolina Panthers. Panthers have been playing good down the stretch. If you're a Panthers fan, you gotta be happy with the way this team is turning things around. At least looking good for next year. Right. You're setting the table for next season doing everything that, that that Jason Spares are not doing, I guess. But Carolina Fair by 2 1/2 points. [00:54:54] Speaker C: Taking a shot at the Bears. But I'll tell you the Bears got a better record than the Panthers, just FYI. [00:54:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. [00:54:59] Speaker B: But might be even this week after this is all said and done. But it's probably gonna be even this week. [00:55:05] Speaker A: Good. [00:55:06] Speaker C: The Panthers. The Panthers actually favored. I don't, I don't even remember the last time the Panthers are favored. [00:55:12] Speaker A: So I think it's the only one. [00:55:13] Speaker C: I don't, I don't, I don't love the line moves to opening at one and a half up to three. The Panthers have kept things close and for them to pull it out and win by more than a field goal is a little bit rough. I, I guess I take. I'll pull a roam and I'll. I'll stay away. But I would go Panthers money line in this game. But if you're making me pick, I'll still go Panthers minus three. The Cowboys are just. I don't even know how to describe the Cowboys at this point. The Panthers, even though they're losing, they're playing, they're playing with some heart out there. [00:55:42] Speaker A: I'm gonna mark it down for a stay away but leaning Carolina. [00:55:45] Speaker B: I'm all, I'm all over the Panthers here, man. I like them. Minus two and a half. Three. Whatever line you got. Cowboys short week, devastating loss on a Monday. Carolina's riding that hot wave. Dallas just lost a few more guys on defense. The dysfunction of that team and organization right now. Panthers get a big win, something they haven't been able to do. I like Carolina here to win by six or more points. [00:56:09] Speaker A: Wow. I like Carolina. I'm just not as confident on the, on the spread or the over under. But I do got Carolina money line. I'm kind of taking that. Jets. The dreadful Jets. I saw a meme that was like, Disneyland's the happiest place on earth and what's the saddest place on earth? And they showed A picture of MetLife Stadium with the Giants logo on one side, jets log on the other. Great. Good to be a New Yorker this time of year. Jacksonville are given three and a half points or plus three and a half over, under, low 40 and a half. [00:56:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know if we're getting to the end of the road here for Aaron Rodgers. And you know what? What? They're gonna. Well, he's still out there playing. They've had, what are they, four losses in a row right now. They blew this game against Miami. That should have been probably a winnable game for them. The Jags played tough last week against the Titans with Mac Jones. You're gonna give me points for the Jags at home plus three and a half. I'm taking that. I'm to give you the Jags plus three and a half. [00:57:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, there's no reason the judge should be favored over anybody right now. Based off what we've seen, they should have won last week, but they didn't. And the Jaguars, to their credit, came back and won on the road. I don't trust Mac Jones here. I don't trust Aaron Rodgers. I do trust the points, though. Three and a half. [00:57:45] Speaker A: Take It Jacksonville plus three and a half. I'm gonna go against my better judgment and I'm gonna go with the jets pulling off an upset and winning this game. Well, I guess not an upset, but it being upset. [00:58:02] Speaker B: They cover a spread here because that's something I haven't really done. [00:58:06] Speaker A: But, you know, I don't know. One of those hurrah or like farewell victories for Aaron Rodgers. One of the last few that he'll experience in his career, I think. I don't know. We'll see. But I got the jets on this game. Over under is really interesting. I'm leaning on the over Baltimore Ravens at the New York Giants. The G men, Baltimore 16 and a half point favorites. Holy over under 42 and a half. Guys, you got. [00:58:46] Speaker C: I've been staring at this game, probably. [00:58:50] Speaker A: 16 and a half. Usually when it's that high, it doesn't, it doesn't go. [00:58:54] Speaker C: It's the only reason I'm even entertaining picking the Giants with the points. With the points. Obviously they're not gonna win this game. I mean, I mean, I was one of the Ravens. Minus 1800 money line right now. [00:59:10] Speaker A: Yeah, you can't do money line on this one. Oh, guys. [00:59:19] Speaker C: You know, I don't care. I can't pick the Giants. I'll give me the Ravens minus 16. [00:59:24] Speaker A: Wow. Wow. He tricked us. [00:59:31] Speaker B: I think he saw the light. I agree. I mean, I don't even know who's going to play quarterback right now for the Giants if they even have a healthy quarterback. Whether it's locker, DeVito. Both are banged up. Interestingly, before Lamar lost to Philadelphia, the only team in the NFC he'd ever lost to before was the Giants at MetLife Stadium. [00:59:54] Speaker A: It was. [00:59:56] Speaker B: But. [00:59:57] Speaker C: Except the Giants are.07 at MetLife this year and they got blown out by the Buccaneers at MetLife like two, three weeks ago. [01:00:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, they played the Saints close, but I guess you could call it close. It was 14:3. They kind of got a garbage touchdown. I mean. Yeah, I mean, if you're playing the Ravens, you're playing a money line and you're parlaying them to other stuff. You know, like we talked about Ravens, maybe Bangles and another team Moneyline that you like. My rule of thumb is you never take a team getting points if you don't think they can even win the game. I don't think they can. I would take the Ravens if I. If I had to. Minus 16. [01:00:35] Speaker A: Cool. [01:00:36] Speaker B: But a. Stay away if we're taking Rome's angle for sure. [01:00:39] Speaker A: Yeah, this would Be definitely a stay away. I am leading though on the Giants covering just because the over under is. [01:00:48] Speaker C: 42 and a half. But the line 16. Yes. [01:00:55] Speaker A: That's pretty crazy, right? [01:00:58] Speaker C: It's the lowest it. Oh, that's the second lowest over under beside besides Jags, jets in the morning. [01:01:03] Speaker A: Games, when you guys pull up like, how many points the Giants have been scoring every game real quick last last. [01:01:10] Speaker C: Week they scored 11. They scored 20 against the Cowboys a week prior, only seven against the Bucks. 17 against Carolina. 22. Oh, 18. 3 7, 20, 15, 15, 18. [01:01:25] Speaker A: So yeah, what Lamar gets what, two passing touchdowns, two rushing touchdowns. Derek Henry gets two rushing touchdowns. [01:01:35] Speaker B: Well, this game, this game, you'll know probably by the end of the first quarter, at least midway through the second, which way it's trending. Like, if, you know, if the Ravens score like three out of their first four possessions and go up 21 three, you know that, you know it's gonna be a blowout. [01:01:50] Speaker A: You know, to be fair, man, Baltimore's like the Steelers. They play down to their competition like they do stinkers like these, so. [01:01:57] Speaker B: But they are coming off a loss and a bye week. [01:02:00] Speaker A: That's true. So that's true. That's valid, actually. That's. [01:02:02] Speaker B: That's why. That's why I'm like, you know what, they might come out the gate because, I mean, they likely. The Steelers are likely gonna lose this week. So the Ravens know that. So they're gonna want to get this win. [01:02:13] Speaker A: Hey, man, just for the up. Yeah. Next game, Colts at the Denver Broncos. Broncos 3 1/2 point favorites, 44 and a half. Bo Nicks and the running for rookie of the year. Who you guys got? [01:02:28] Speaker C: I'm with Aaron's guy, Sean Payton and Bo Nicks on this one. Opened at four and a half. I saw it's down to four right now. I'll take the Broncos minus four. [01:02:37] Speaker A: Minus four. Okay. [01:02:38] Speaker B: Get on that horse, man. Give me Nicks and Peyton. Broncos -4. [01:02:44] Speaker C: I mean, technically, they're. It's both kind of horses in this game. Aaron, if you're going Colts. [01:02:48] Speaker B: Well, what's like a horseshoe so, you know, put it on and put it on so we can ride it better, right? [01:02:55] Speaker A: Well, yeah, the log is a horse, but colt, what kind of horse is a cult? Actually, I don't know about horses. I used to have horses when I was a kid, though. [01:03:03] Speaker C: I don't know about horses, but I used to have a horse there. That's a great quote right there. [01:03:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. My father had a couple horses. I don't know why I am. I'm leaning on Indianapolis win here. Straight up with the upset. Bring the Broncos, the Cowboys back down to earth for a little bit. That's what I got. That's my lean. Let me write that down. Gives me a good opt out in case it goes south. [01:03:44] Speaker B: I believe this one will go south for you. [01:03:46] Speaker A: It might, it might. New England afternoon games. New England Patriots visiting the Arizona Cardinals, who have costed me dearly the last few weeks. Whatever that guy's name is. QB. They're air favored by 6 and a half over under 46 and a half. [01:04:08] Speaker C: Didn't even want to attempt it this. [01:04:10] Speaker A: Week because I was gonna say the same name and I just like forget it. Murphy. [01:04:16] Speaker C: Murray. [01:04:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. That's what I. It's just you guy Kyle Murphy have you guys like. There's like certain words that you see and you want to say that the right way, but if you see it typed out, you say it differently. Like for me it's orders, but if I see it typed out, I'll say hoard of oars. I just can't help it. Like I just. My brain just doesn't compute. Hoard of wars. I don't want to ever see it typed out on a fucking menu. But all right, anyways, what you guys got? [01:04:49] Speaker C: Yeah, for me, a lot. A lot of points for the Patriots in this game. Like you mentioned, Rome Cardinals have not been great the past couple weeks. You know, two of those three were against Seattle in division games too. But I just think with the amount of points, Drake May has played pretty well. You know, kept it, you know, lost a tight game to Indy, you know, kept it close against the Rams a few weeks ago. I'll. If you're giving me six points, I'll take the Patriots plus six. [01:05:22] Speaker A: All right. [01:05:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm on the Patriots getting the points. Six points here. Cardinals have not looked good. Two losses to Seattle mix in that one at Minnesota. But offensively your boy Kyler Murray has not looked good and that defense got some holes. But basically with the Patriots coming off the by, I think six points is too much. The line should probably be closer to three and a have four. I'll take Patriots getting six here as well. [01:05:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I think I'm leaning with you guys. I'm a little worried that Arizona is just gonna do this again. Just wake up for this home game just like what they did to the Bears several weeks ago and just not show up since then. But I like May though. I'm in the May bandwagon. Despite all the coaching errors and play calling and all the. This guy is good. And I'm gonna go on the over on this one. I think we see a shootout in the desert and they're crisp 70 degree winter weather down in where the they play Tampa Bay bucks at the LA Superchargers charters favor by three points over under. I got 45 and a half. I gotta update this on my graph. 45 and a half. Who you guys got. [01:06:42] Speaker C: Man? You know looking at the Buccaneers been hot lately. Kind of took talked about it took the NSC south from the Falcons. Likely Chargers. Man, I'm really, I'm. I'm leaning Chargers on this one. You know I think just a bounce back. They've been. They've been pretty good at home. 4 and 2. Lost a tough game against Kansas City last week. I'm gonna take the Chargers. [01:07:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm on the Chargers too. Tampa's really banged up right now. Winfield Jr. On the back end there in the secondary. It's going to be out lad. So you've got Irving Bucky, he's hurt. Evans still kind of nursing the hamstring. He's been playing but not, you know, not playing up to his usual par self. Chargers more consistent team. Their only losses here over the last two months basically against the Ravens and the Chiefs. Arguably a couple of the best team in the league. I like the Chargers here at home to cover the three points. [01:07:46] Speaker A: Wow. Jason, you have the points as well. [01:07:49] Speaker C: Yes. [01:07:50] Speaker A: Nice. This is going to be a stay away for me. I like both teams. Big Mayfield fan. I'm rooting for a shootout here with two entertaining quarterbacks. Hope hopefully Herbert has a good game. I'm definitely taking the over on this. That's my only confident choice but should be a fun game, huh? [01:08:15] Speaker B: Yeah, it should be a good win. [01:08:18] Speaker A: Next game. Pittsburgh Steelers against the Philadelphia Eagles. Gotta love all the drama. What'd you guys think of that? Like you guys. You guys are buying it. They just kind of buried at the hatchet. They called their. They call their teammate a little emotional so he kind of misspoke on everything. I thought that was kind of up. [01:08:41] Speaker C: I'm be honest from I have no idea what you're talking about. [01:08:46] Speaker A: God damn it. It was. [01:08:49] Speaker C: It didn't pop up on my Bears Twitter feed, you know. [01:08:52] Speaker A: No, it didn't. Well then don't worry about it. [01:08:55] Speaker C: What did Aaron think? [01:08:58] Speaker B: You talking about the whole Graham Brown Hertz thing? [01:09:03] Speaker A: Yep. [01:09:05] Speaker B: I don't think it's water under the bridge. It's something serious. That's There, I mean, we. Right before opening kickoff of the year, we heard Hertz and Sirianni don't get along. [01:09:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:09:15] Speaker B: So. And then now Hertz and Brown don't get along, and then Hertz isn't going to go to Sirianni because he doesn't get along with him. [01:09:23] Speaker A: Hertz starts sound like a little diva. Right. [01:09:27] Speaker B: I don't know if it's necessarily Hertz or. I mean, Brown's a wide receiver, so we know he's diva. [01:09:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:09:34] Speaker B: I mean, I know he wants the ball, but this Philly team is built on the run game. [01:09:39] Speaker C: I was gonna say, you know what these guys needed to do. Hertz needs to just hand the ball off to Saquon and Brown needs to block for him. [01:09:46] Speaker B: And it's not. Yeah. And Brown just got a new contract extension, but three years. He's getting paid. Well, they're winning football games. At the end of the day, that's. That's your job. Right. The ball comes to you, you get it. If not, you block. [01:09:59] Speaker A: Well, Mika kind of stirred up the pot too. He's like, man, you guys just paid him. But yeah, now he's getting less targets and less catches. So what was the point? Why pay him if you're not going to feed the guy that you paid, Which. [01:10:10] Speaker B: Well, you pay him because you have him as a threat. So you get less guys in the box so it's easier to run the ball. [01:10:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:10:18] Speaker B: And if you get one on one coverage, then you can throw it to them. [01:10:21] Speaker A: Money. Yeah. [01:10:22] Speaker B: I mean, who. Who's won the games the last month for the Eagles? There's one guy. [01:10:28] Speaker A: One guy. Saquon Broccoli, my man. [01:10:31] Speaker B: Hey, keep eating that broccoli, brother. [01:10:35] Speaker A: All right, so who you guys got? [01:10:39] Speaker C: Line move open. Four and a half, up to six now. A lot of points for an in state rivalry game. I like the Eagles to win, but I. If you're giving me six points with the Steelers in a tight game, I'll take the Steelers plus six. [01:10:56] Speaker A: Wow. [01:11:01] Speaker B: Eagles win this one. I really would like the Steelers. If Pickens was playing, he's likely out again. [01:11:07] Speaker A: Yeah, he's out. [01:11:09] Speaker B: I think it's a tight game. I don't know. I mean, Eagles got some injuries on their back into their secondary, so we'll see what happens there. Blankenship, I think, is out of a concussion. He may be back. You know, the Eagles are going to get the ball to Brown, but at the end of the day, Saquon Barkley is going to have a big game. Fourth quarter, they're going to do what they do. Six points. I'm leaning towards the Eagles covering the six. It's a lot of points. The sexy pick is to take the points and take the Steelers, but we'll see. But Eagles agree Moneyline. They'll win this game. [01:11:49] Speaker A: All right, this is tough. I, I'm trusting in the Pittsburgh Steelers defense and I'm trusting Williams, the rest of the core and the dual threat in the running game for, for, for Pittsburgh will come through. They can at least keep Saquon, at least manageable at bay. Maybe less than 125 yards. I would put a bet on that. And I'm leaning on the over but this just might be. I can't go against my team pick but I'm going to lean. Pittsburgh upset on this one. Buffalo Bills @ the Detroit Lions do back to back good games. Are these both in the afternoon? [01:12:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:12:38] Speaker A: Son of a. I need another TV for this one. Buffalo Bills Detroit two and a half point favorites over under 54 and a half. We'll shoot out. [01:12:54] Speaker C: Yeah, everything going into this for me really like the Bills, the Lions kind of need this. I don't want to call it like a wake up call loss, but you're kind of due here at this moment they're sitting 12 and 1, sitting pretty. Need that loss to motivate you in the playoffs. What I don't like about the Bills right now is they flew all the way out to LA last week, played this game against the Rams, go up and down the field, you know, N4000, 422. They fly back to New York with there's like a snowstorm over there. They couldn't even practice today in person. They were doing I think a virtual practice and then they're going to go to Detroit this weekend. Just a lot of disruption for a Bills team. But at the same time they're undefeated. They're undefeated on the road so far this year, man. But I don't know. I'm back and forth on this one. At two and a half I think the Lions still cover within the field goal and I'll take the Lions minus two and a half. [01:14:03] Speaker B: Jesus, I love the Lions this week, man. I do. They've had a couple tough games here on Thursdays. They're the more rested team. Like Jason just mentioned, Buffalo flew to LA, got their ass handed to him getting 44 dropped on them. Now they're in a storm, storm, snowstorm. Detroit has been having a couple close wake up calls. They need to keep winning. They don't Want to go into the fifth seed with the Vikings right on their towel. They've still got to play them later in the year. They've got your 49ers too coming up here. Lions, Lions big here. They'll take care of Buffalo. Buffalo's defense is going to look shaky again. [01:14:47] Speaker A: Yeah, this is a tough one for me. I don't know which way to go. I'm just staying away. I just don't know what to do. Speechless. I am leaning though on Buffalo on the money line. Upset Green Bay packers at the Seattle Seahawks. This is gonna be a pretty good game, man. Three good games in the afternoon. That's amazing. [01:15:21] Speaker C: Well, this is the Sunday night game. Aaron kind of spoiled it on the Monday pod already. I think which way he was leaning in this game. [01:15:29] Speaker A: Oh, that's right. [01:15:30] Speaker C: I'm gonna lean the same way. Seahawks had a good little run here, but I like the packers minus two and a half. [01:15:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean the way things are shaping up, this could be a preview of the wild card weekend in Seattle. Seattle's won a couple games here, four in a row to be exact, but should have lost a couple of those. Let's be realistic. The 49ers had them down, the jets had them down. Arizona, they beat twice. Who wasn't actually look great. I mean what, what team have they beaten that's been any decent during this run? Packers coming off that extended rest, traveling the to out to the west coast for a late night game. Won't be a big issue here. Packers win this one. [01:16:16] Speaker A: I thought you're gonna say they're gonna win it big. [01:16:19] Speaker B: Not gonna win it big, but they'll, they'll, they'll cover the points here. [01:16:23] Speaker A: Got it. All right, I'm leaning Green be on that one as well. Guys, Chicago Bears at the Vikings. [01:16:34] Speaker C: Aaron, you go first on this one. [01:16:40] Speaker A: I got Minnesota favored by seven points over under 44 and a half. [01:16:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean I don't know what to make of the Bears right now. You know, they made the move with Thomas Brown to oc, lost three close games. Then they move him to head coach. And what I saw was like the most lifeless performance I've seen from the team on Sunday this year against the 49ers. Seven points is a lot, but I still don't have any confidence in taking the Bears plus seven here. It's a visual game, so they're usually tight. Give me Vikings money line. Parlay it with the Bengals, the Ravens and all those other high other teams that we talked about earlier. But if I Had to take a side. I'd lean towards the Vikings -7. [01:17:28] Speaker A: You want me to go? [01:17:31] Speaker C: Yeah, you go. [01:17:32] Speaker A: All right. Same man. Well, you know, I thought they didn't have, like, that bump when they fired their coach, but then when you look at it, the reason why they started playing better is because the guy that just. They just promoted head coach was running the offense. But now that he's the head coach, who the is running the offense? Can you tell us who's running the offense? Jason? Because I didn't have a chance to look it up, but it made sense of why everything took a. Refuge is gone. So the defense took a. Everybody's taking a. You know, what's that phrase? Like, flows down the river, I guess. Like, it's dangerous to drink from. Like the. When you're hiking, to drink water from, like, the bottom of the mountain because, like, flows down. Especially like the Bears and all the other animals. And that's what I feel like this is it. You know, we're just all hanging out bottom base camp, just taking a whole bunch of Chicago Bear on this one. I'm leading. Well, I'm going with Minnesota to win, but don't know what to expect. [01:18:29] Speaker C: I think Minnesota definitely wins this game. Seven points is just a lot. I mean, last week's performance obviously doesn't give me a lot of confidence of the Bears keeping games tight, but the free. The three previous division games, as Eric mentioned, were all tight. I'd stay away from it, but if you're telling me to bet it, I'll take the Bears plus seven. They'll bring whatever lifeless roster they have back there, and the game will be close, but they're still going to lose. [01:18:53] Speaker A: All right. Love the confidence. Love it. Chicago. You hear that? You broke Jason, man. Broken multiple times throughout the year. Congratulations. [01:19:03] Speaker C: Yeah, depending who they hire the head coach, it could break me just permanently at this point, but we'll see. Too many, like, too many Mike Variable clips online. Embarrassed Twitter this week. [01:19:13] Speaker A: Dude, I like Rabel, man. I think that'd be like the smart hires. But it's just a matter of. Would Rabel want to be there? I don't think so. [01:19:21] Speaker C: Quick. Belichick said this was the top NFL job in circles. Was going around right now. So. [01:19:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:19:28] Speaker C: But yeah, I think Variable would want the job. I think. And they're gonna like him because he, you know, he's a straight shooter. He's a leader of men. He tells it like it is in press conferences and yada, yada, yada, you know, can you get the offense to work. [01:19:41] Speaker A: Well, I heard Fable's reluctance is like the, like the GM front office situation. He had that issue within Tennessee. Does he want to walk into the same type of situation where if polls gets canned and other people get canned, now he's the odd man out. He doesn't want to deal with that. But then I heard Flores, he was teammates with Ryan Poles in college, so they got that connection going on. So that's pretty. Pretty strong in the background. [01:20:11] Speaker C: That'd be probably the worst thing if they brought. Brian Flores is like his track roster was basically ruining tua. [01:20:18] Speaker A: I don't think you run to it. I don't know. It was a little early. [01:20:21] Speaker C: He wasted two. He was benching him for Fitzpatrick Electric. [01:20:28] Speaker B: I mean, Fitzpatrick's, you know, good for a half or a game, not a season. Yeah. Brian Flores would be complete disaster as a head coach there in Chicago and going back. I mean, realistically, over half the league's management, if you want to really look at it's terrible or has some kind of problems within it. I mean, there's organizations. Jets, Browns, you can go Bears, all these teams, Titans. There's a reason why they don't consistently stay good and don't win football games. So we've seen that from a lot of organizations. [01:21:05] Speaker A: I like Flores. [01:21:07] Speaker B: I like him as a defensive coordinator. [01:21:08] Speaker A: He really turned on that Miami team and then what's his face just picked it up where he left it. They were pretty dynamic. They were like dead in the water until Flores came around and he brought that rah rah kind of a med mentality. I don't know if you guys remember. They were like, oh, and six. And then finally everything clicked. Those, like the Detroit Lions and then they just fought their way back to the playoffs and were pretty competitive. [01:21:32] Speaker C: He had a great defense down there, but, like, again, the offense was terrible and he couldn't manage the quarterback position. You just drafted Caleb Williams. You need to elevate the quarterback position. He's not the right man for the job. I'm not saying he's not a good coach, but he's not the right man for this job. [01:21:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I would agree. I think Flores. Flores does a good job on defense. We've seen that. [01:21:54] Speaker A: With what he was the OC when he was with Miami. [01:21:57] Speaker C: Don't know. But it wasn't a good. It wasn't a good hire because they. It was a disaster. [01:22:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:22:02] Speaker A: You live for your mistakes. I don't think it was a disaster. [01:22:04] Speaker B: I mean, I. Disaster, maybe. No. On offense, yeah. But I Mean two has come out and said like, I mean TUA was basically done. So I mean, what, we didn't see any potential. Miami did like a total, you know, 180. They went from defense to. Okay, now we're bringing in Tyree Kill, we're going bringing in Waddle, all these guys. Yeah, Flores again, defensively, really good guy. He was with Pittsburgh. They didn't even make him defensive coordinator. Tomlin supposed to be his boy. And Minnesota had a terrible defense, so they brought him in. It looks like it's working out, but we'll see. Flores, he still got that lawsuit going on too. So I don't know how many ownership groups really want to take a chance on them right now. It's only been two years as a D coordinator. [01:22:52] Speaker C: Like you're not, you're not wrong, bro. He turned, he turned the Dolphins around because I think first year season he had five wins, then he had a 10 and a nine win season. But again, you, you need to be developing Caleb Williams and that is what got Eber Fluss fired. And you got to be able to bring in who the offensive coordinator is. And I'm going to die in the Ben Johnson stance right now because this is, you know, half of Chicago wants a guy from the 1980s that's going to talk good on preference, talking press conferences and talk about running the ball and defense and crap. No, you have a generational quarterback and you paid all these skill position players. You need to have a high flying offense that puts points on the board. [01:23:33] Speaker A: I think you need to bring in a guy that creates a change in culture, creates a culture in Chicago and then you worry about everything else. You hire the right guys, create the schemes. [01:23:41] Speaker C: Yeah, well, culture. Culture is the word that I hate the most in buzzword crap that goes around because you know, what's culture? Winning games, that's what's culture. All of a sudden you win games and you have a winning culture. Oh, that's not true. [01:23:56] Speaker A: Look at the Eagles. They're in shambles. [01:23:58] Speaker C: Well, whatever. And they're winning games. Who cares? Yeah. And you're to talk about variable culture. Yeah, until he lost his offensive coordinator and then he lost a bunch of games and got fired. So the culture stuff, like the only teams that you're going to talk about culture around there is going to be your Steelers with Tomlin because they have a football identity. John Harbaugh with the, with the Ravens, they have an identity of what the culture. And the player goes, all right, rest of the teams around the league, they got A bunch of guys and they're assembling a roster and they're trying to put the best game plan out there. So don't give me the culture crap. Give me a guy who's going to have a scheme and is going to be able to put a decent offense on the field that doesn't throw up three yards and a half. [01:24:36] Speaker A: Well, that's why you guys are name four. Yeah. [01:24:39] Speaker B: Counting on one finger for no. I mean, Jason, culture is overrated. [01:24:44] Speaker A: It's really not. [01:24:46] Speaker B: I mean, it is because all the. All these come in with a culture and then they're fired after two years. I mean, there's only a handful of guys in the league. [01:24:54] Speaker A: Destroy a culture when it's established. It take. It takes a lot. [01:24:57] Speaker B: There's only a handful of guys in this league that really do it. And you know, hardball. John Jim's doing it over there with the Chargers. There's only a handful of guys that can really do it. Can Mike Rable do it? Who knows? After Arthur Smith left, like Jason said, the offense sucked and he had Derek. Well, they also traded. [01:25:17] Speaker A: Well, they also traded a lot of guys away and they did a lot of things. [01:25:21] Speaker B: They got rid of Brown, which was stupid. [01:25:23] Speaker A: Yeah. So. All right, next game. [01:25:25] Speaker C: No, well, no, no, because that's your cultural thing you're talking about. You said you can't change the culture. One bad player changes the culture. You have an overall thing. One bad player can change the culture of the organization. So these rosters turn over so much every single year. The person who's able to manage that and have the right, you know, scheme and is going to develop players, things like that is the culture you're looking for. But if you can't get got a guy to put a decent scheme around an offense in the field, it's not going to matter. But now you next game. [01:25:53] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, just. Yeah. To elaborate on that, it's your assistant coaches. You're OC and DC coordinators. I mean, Philadelphia has the same personnel as they've had and last year was a train wreck. Why? They had a bad O.C. and a bad D.C. now you bring in Fangio, you bring in a better OC and now all of a sudden, boom, you bring in one player and you look great. Again, say what you want about Sirianni, he does some stupid, but he's one of the highest winning percentages of any coach in NFL history, regardless of what we think. [01:26:23] Speaker A: Yeah. All right. I'm glad I lit a fire date through guys ass on that one. That's so good. I'm gonna bring it back now that I know what you guys little buzzword is culture. I'm definitely using it. [01:26:35] Speaker B: I'm all about culture. It's called winning. It's called winning. [01:26:38] Speaker C: Winning. [01:26:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Tell me how that works for Florida State again since. Yeah, they're winning culture. [01:26:43] Speaker B: Last year again, they made changes. Now they brought in coaches that can win and we'll see what happens. [01:26:50] Speaker A: All right, Monday night double header. You got Atlanta Falcons at the Las Vegas Raiders. Falcons here by three and a half. The Flailing Falcons over under 44 and a half. [01:27:03] Speaker C: The Falcons should be ashamed in themselves that they're only a four point favorite. But I'm still taking the Falcons minus four. [01:27:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. I mean, I don't even know who's going to play quarterback for the Raiders right now. Maybe it's Desmond Ritter. Atlanta needs to win this game. They can't, they can't afford to drop this one. They've lost what, three in a row? Cousins, what? No touchdowns thrown, eight interceptions. Raiders got an okay defense, but too many weapons. Throw the ball to pits, run the ball and let's see what happens. Give me the Falcons minus three and a half, four points, whatever it is. [01:27:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm actually entertaining on the Raiders upsetting here. I like Brock Bowers to have a great game, the defense to come through. I think Cousins just does another mid type of game and after this we'll see Penix under center. I'm leaning Vegas for the upset. Well, that's all the games then. Any other predictions? [01:28:06] Speaker C: Well, we're out of games where you want to predict at this point. [01:28:10] Speaker A: I don't know. Who do you guys think you're gonna be feeling pretty, pretty good after this weekend? [01:28:16] Speaker C: Well, I think the morning games are going to suck. So you could probably Skip the, the 10 to 1 games here on the west coast. The afternoon. Bills, Lions, Steelers, Eagles, I mean that's really the highlights. You're going to get some potential, you know, super bowl matchups or just playoff preview stuff like that to have good teams going out. A bunch of these other games, especially that early slate's pretty rough. [01:28:40] Speaker B: Yeah, now that I'm looking at it, the early slate is really rough. I think the best game in the morning is Dolphins, Texans. From a brand standpoint, we'll see how these games turn out. I'll have them on. But yeah, the afternoon, I mean we always complain about only getting two or three afternoon games and only one being good. Now we get five that everyone's doesn't Have a buy anymore, but yeah, Steelers, Eagles, Bills, Lions, I think Colts, Broncos, I think they're all going to be good games. Really? All competitive games. [01:29:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I think he's pretty fun. I might. [01:29:15] Speaker B: If you look at the spreads of basically the lowest of all the spreads kind of across the board. [01:29:19] Speaker A: So, yeah, morning time. [01:29:20] Speaker B: Everybody expects it to be good games. [01:29:23] Speaker A: Well, if it's not great, I'll just take my daughter out to go ice skating. I'll grab some coffee, some croissants, and then come back and watch the afternoon games. That sounds kind of good. Some deep dish Chicago pizza. No, Detroit pizza. I love Detroit pizza. [01:29:40] Speaker B: I think the Detroit pizza is gonna go down a little bit better after you get a win. [01:29:45] Speaker A: I think a Detroit piece is the best pizza. [01:29:49] Speaker C: That's a hot take. [01:29:51] Speaker A: Is it? [01:29:53] Speaker C: Yeah. You're the only person that's ever brought deep the teacher pizza up and everything. [01:29:58] Speaker A: It's fucking delicious. I fucking love it. Love Little Caesars. [01:30:04] Speaker C: Oh, I was. Yeah, it's little. It was Little Caesars. Detroit pizza. [01:30:09] Speaker A: It came from Detroit, so more of it. [01:30:13] Speaker C: The pizza Pizza arena over there. The Red Wings play. [01:30:16] Speaker A: I know. [01:30:17] Speaker B: There you go. [01:30:18] Speaker A: Before I got sidetracked with your guys, bullshit about culture, I was gonna mention your, you know, the Chicago Blackhawks, the other rumors that like your guy that you guys drafted number one last year, not doing so well in the developmental stages of his game, so they need to bring somebody else in. So. I don't know. Seems like you guys draft a lot of high, high draft picks and don't got anyone to develop them. Well, what's like the good parley in that? Like what? That's like a good example for that. [01:30:46] Speaker C: Like they drafted Patrick Kane and Jonathan Taves and won three Stanley Cups. I don't know what you're talking about here. [01:30:52] Speaker A: That really pissed me off. They deserved one of them, maybe two. [01:30:57] Speaker C: Oh, they missed out on the three peat because they were up in game seven of the Western Conference finals versus the Kings in 20, 2014 and would have won that cup too. So. [01:31:05] Speaker A: Thank God. Thank God. I think that's the first time I've rooted for the Kings. I like the colors. All right, cool. It was fun, guys. Thank you for. For adding a little excitement towards the end of the lines. Jason's blood boiling. Don't mention culture around the Bears. It's a buzzword around there because they got nothing. [01:31:27] Speaker C: I don't want to hear it. I want to hear offense. [01:31:29] Speaker A: Yeah, you'll definitely hear it. Any other college games or it's just a Navy army game. That's it, huh? [01:31:38] Speaker C: Army, Navy weekend. [01:31:40] Speaker B: Yep. [01:31:40] Speaker A: That's the only one start next week. [01:31:43] Speaker C: Yeah. First bowl game we got in this schedule. [01:31:50] Speaker A: So. [01:31:50] Speaker C: First bowl game, we got more, I guess, on Saturday the 14th, too. So you got Jackson State, South Carolina State. [01:31:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:59] Speaker C: In South Alabama, Western Michigan. So the Cricket Celebration bowl and the IS4s. Salute to Veterans Bowl. [01:32:08] Speaker A: I think the crickets is about right. I'm not gonna be watching anything. [01:32:11] Speaker B: And then we've got Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday of the next week, all bowl games starting. So it looks like the real slate of bowl games kind of starts Tuesday of next week. [01:32:22] Speaker A: You guys want to start covering bowl games next week or just save it for the playoffs? [01:32:26] Speaker C: Nah, we're going. We're going bowling, man. Generally get a little bowl, you know, bull pool, you know, back in the day. Yeah, you would do those. [01:32:36] Speaker A: Let's do it then. [01:32:38] Speaker C: Notre Dame. Indiana, though, I think that's where it kicks off. Next Friday, the 20th in South Bend. [01:32:45] Speaker A: How are you feeling about that one? [01:32:47] Speaker C: I'm feeling great. [01:32:48] Speaker A: Feeling good. Yeah. [01:32:49] Speaker B: I like. I like Notre Dame. [01:32:51] Speaker A: Why are so many people picking that as a. As a big upset? [01:32:54] Speaker C: Because they hate on Notre Dame. [01:32:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Might be true. Cool. I'll be a wrap. We'll catch everyone back on the pod on Monday. [01:33:06] Speaker B: That's the EMT is coming for Indiana after they get beat Friday by Jason's Irish.
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