Episode Transcript
[00:00:05] Speaker A: All right. Time for a little F1 preview for the Brazilian Grand Prix that is upcoming this weekend.
We've had a hell of a second half so far. It's been really exciting. I think more than what we can ask for in a long time. We've had our latest change in the driver's championship this late in the season.
I, I, I, I. I know I threw out the stat last time, but I think it was like 2012 or something like that.
And you got Landon Norris with one point lead going to Brazil over his teammate Oscar Piastri. You still got Verstappen not too far behind. And then you had Lewis Hamilton submit some of his best races. Two out of the last three races.
And he's starting to find his crew with Ferrari as well as LeClaire. LeClair has been on a nice little run in the second half. Just the cream of the crop really showing up and really giving us all we can ask for to close out this.
I don't know. This might.
This is our first full season, Aaron. So this, it's the best season for me. But, you know, I don't got much to compare for. But I'm glad we jumped in this year.
[00:01:13] Speaker B: We're in, man. We are in. We'll be ready. That's a 9am race. Lights out as Jason likes to call it. So a good, good start time for us before we get to Vegas. And then some early, early starts.
[00:01:26] Speaker A: Is that Saturday or Sunday?
[00:01:28] Speaker B: Sunday.
[00:01:29] Speaker A: Sunday.
[00:01:30] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:01:30] Speaker A: Right before NFL. I dig that. I dig that.
[00:01:34] Speaker C: Probably a little. Probably a little too close to F1. I mean, I know you don't like getting up for the 6am races, Rome. But the 6am time is always pretty nice because you, you get the race. It's over with an NFL starts. So it's going to be competing with that 10am window. I'll be honest. So we're, we're in the multi view screen. But I mean, you're gonna miss the.
[00:01:50] Speaker B: First quarter of the Bears game there, Jason.
[00:01:53] Speaker A: It looks like no multiview on my screen. It's gonna be all F1.
[00:01:56] Speaker C: F1, Aaron. You know, I got the two, three possible screen TVs going in my setup. So they'll be both going. But yeah, F1 probably on the primary screen with the, the Bears, Giants and the secondary screen. But as Rome said. Yeah, biggest F1 season for you guys being the first full year, most competitive one. Last year was kind of competitive. Towards the end of the season. We only got the little bit of the Lando chase first. The end but definitely the most competitive one probably since the the really historic 2021 season with Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen and one of the great showdowns coming down to Abu Dhabi where those guys were in a tie in the points going into the final race. And as Rome, you mentioned we got a one point difference between the teammates with Norris and Piastri. You got Verstappen. Lurkin, you got four very interesting tracks coming down the stretch here.
Brazil, historically a wet track. A lot of weather goes down there. Aaron and I were actually checking the forecast prior to recording. Look like we got some rain on Saturday which can impact qualifying, which if it does, you know, you could have a messy starting order depending on, you know, where's the rain falling, how do those guys do their laps during qualifying? So it could be an interesting start to the field. Looks like potential rain on Sunday, but unlikely.
So if it does rain, I think this is where I, Max Verstappen is the betting favorite of this race. Historic drive last year coming through the field in the rain. Just no one was any match for him. So I think a Verstappen, Hamilton, you know, those are the guys to look for in a rain race. Lando, I think is the second betting favorite. He is just absolutely on fire these last couple races. If you look his victory in Mexico, strong finishes in at the US Grand Prix and in Singapore. So I mean, really, ever since, you know, the engine blew in the Netherlands and Piastri got the win, you know, Lando's really been on it, outscoring Piastri in the last four races.
I'm sorry, the last five races out, he's outpoint him in every five races. So Lando's got all the momentum. I'm not sure which track Piastri is going to really do it right now because he seems to be almost in a permanent funk. And you got Verstappen potentially in a track that he'd be pretty dominant at. And the Ferraris, did they find something here late? They qualify both really well in Mexico. If it wasn't for the shenanigans on lap one and the penalty for Hamilton, he probably would have been up there in that finish. So a lot to look forward to in this race. I think the weather, especially on Saturday in the qualifying, but even more on the Sunday is going to play into the. This could be, this could be the most random of the results that can potentially shake up the championship where you're, you know, going to get that cold race in Vegas, then you get two Desert Tracks in Qatar and Abu Dhabi at the end of the season. That probably won't have as much drama when you get into it, because it'll be a lot of fairly even cars, depending on the qualifying. So this could be a pretty big race and shaking up the championship, probably. Verstappen's, I would say, best chance to make up a significant amount of points where he doesn't have to get the 9, 10 points per weekend. He can get a chunk in this weekend, and it's probably more beneficial.
[00:05:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess.
[00:05:16] Speaker A: Weather is really known, as you mentioned, so predicting rain all three days, potentially. Last year, they had a rain delay, I guess, and did qualify the day of the race, which is really different.
Lots of overtaking opportunities, they're saying between turn one and turn four. Lots of twists and turns, kind of slow pieces, and then there's a big straightaway, I guess, up the hill. That can provide some opportunity for some action here. Bortoletto, he's from the area, from Brazil, so his first homecoming race as well. So he'll look to kind of build up on his really good result in Mexico. Real quick, though, before we talk about the race, just want to mention I did finally watch Formula one, the movie.
Yeah, I did.
[00:06:02] Speaker C: Thoughts?
[00:06:04] Speaker A: I watched with my cousin, you know, after. I was.
After my eyes got pulled out watching the Raider game, and it was good.
It was good.
I did have a problem with Brad Pitt's accent, though.
I started laughing right when the movie started, and I'm like, yo, man, why is this accent like that?
[00:06:25] Speaker B: And.
[00:06:25] Speaker A: And then my cousin, straight up, he's like, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. And I haven't hung out with him in, like, three years. The fact that he knew what I was talking about was really hilarious. And, like, I'm like, you already know what I'm talking about, do you? He's like, don't say it. I'm like, what do you think I'm gonna say? Because I don't know if you know what I'm gonna say. What? You know. You know, whatever. He's like, you're gonna say he has the same accent as Inglourious Basterds? And then I start laughing even more. I'm like, yup.
[00:06:50] Speaker C: I don't know. I guess I missed it. I didn't feel he was doing an accent, but I think it's just. I think this is his speaking pattern.
[00:06:58] Speaker A: What? I don't know. I. I thought it was really hilarious. Just.
Yeah, he had an accent. So I really want to watch it again. I, I first. I want to watch Inglourious Bastards again and I want to watch that again. But the accent, you know, just like the crazy. It was so cheesy. It was, it was kind of cheesy. It was good, though.
I don't know.
[00:07:20] Speaker C: Yeah, I think sounds like I liked it more than you. I think I gave my review earlier in the year. I did not noticing an accent.
I, I said it was something you need to see on the big screen. I actually did watch it again here with, with, with my dad.
[00:07:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah.
[00:07:35] Speaker C: To me, the, the most unrealistic thing is just the, the wing stuff. And what, like if, if you were to start breaking three wings in the middle of a race right now, like, oh, stewards would have black flagged you and you'd have been fined and sent to the back. So that's probably the most unrealistic thing. I mean, the director even told like, like Lewis Hamilton, who executive produced the movies and mothers when they went to see it, like, remember, this is a, it's a Hollywood production. Like, you know, it's not going to be everything what would be in the race. So there's definitely. I mean, I would say my biggest nitpick was the order of races when they went there because, like, this is not the Formula one schedule. They. This is seven races. The end of the year, we're like hopping all over the place. This is not the, this is not the order of things. We're out of order. But yeah, if that's the most you can say for me out of the movie, I think the action and the realistic, you know, not really relying on a bunch of CGI, how they incorporate a little bit of the F1 history into it. I think the first real, the first real scene, Honestly, at the 24 hours of Daytona was like, awesome too. And something like that. As far as, like establishing what this character is about as a driver and even into the ending and how he is as a driver. So, yeah, I think, yeah, he just walks away.
[00:08:41] Speaker A: He just walks away back in his van to go do Baja racing.
[00:08:45] Speaker C: Like, what's, what's it is, man?
[00:08:46] Speaker A: He finally wins one for the race. Yeah.
[00:08:49] Speaker C: Just needed, just needed the one man, and then move on.
[00:08:52] Speaker A: So you didn't take that job, you know, I don't know.
It was good, though.
[00:08:57] Speaker B: Whenever I watch it, Rome, I'll give you my.
[00:08:59] Speaker A: It was good. I wasn't buying the accent. Of course. The women were gorgeous on, you know, like, like the pit crew and then like Even like the Boss Light ladies. So it kind of made sense that he hooked up with her and all this stuff. But the. The cocky young driver who doesn't respect him.
The driving was really cool.
They're making the changes to the cars, so it's actually not. Not a shitbox anymore.
But it was definitely on the cheesier side. Total Wolf making an appearance. Them incorporating, like, some of the bosses in F1 where, like, these guys have never acted in their life before. You could just read it, you know. It was even worse than, like Space Jam when they got all the basketball players and they lost their talents and they're trying to touch the ball and you could just tell these guys, they're really. They can't remember. It was just as bad. But.
[00:09:45] Speaker C: I don't know. When they had the. They had the interview with Fred Vassore and Zach Brown on the couches and stuff. Yeah, no, I think that was a top tier acting, man. When they asked Fred Visser, like, what do you think of, like, the. The thing about. He's like, I. I don't. We don't think about him at all.
[00:10:01] Speaker A: That was pretty good. That was really good.
[00:10:03] Speaker C: That was good, man.
[00:10:04] Speaker A: I'm like, that's. That's actually an answer I would totally believe.
[00:10:07] Speaker C: Like, that's what I want the Ferrari Boss to say, man. Like, I don't think about that.
[00:10:11] Speaker A: That was good. That was good.
But no, it was cheesy. But I thought cinematography was great.
Are they doing number two?
[00:10:20] Speaker C: They've announced anything on that. I think given the scale and budget of the film, I don't know where they go. I mean, there was a lot of. There's a lot of conversation because Paramount had green lighted the Days of Thunder sequel.
And so there was a rumor out there. That was just a rumor. I think it was just more just the director wanting to do is like, you converge a sequel into having the F1 movie in days of Thunder, like, co mingle into like some sort of big movie with the Brad Pitt character of Sonny Hayes and the Tom Cruise Cold Trickle because they both have this IndyCar legacy. Because in the F1 movie, you know, Sonny Hayes, the Brad Pitt character, his dad was an Indy car mechanic.
[00:11:00] Speaker A: And.
[00:11:01] Speaker C: And then the Tom Cruise origin story of Days of Thunder, of Cold Trickle, was that he was an open wheel, like, champion that they were bringing to nascar. So, like, I, I think, I think. I don't know if it's Joseph Kaczynski, the director of the F1 movie. He also did Top Gun. He's A big Days of Thunder fan. I don't know if he was talking through like that could have looked like. Because he obviously directed Top Gun with Tom Cruise and then did this with, did this movie with Brad Pitt. So there's a kind of connection there. So I don't know if they'll do a sequel. I don't know what it would look like. But I think definitely if you're gonna spend the rumored budget of this movie and like what it was like, you definitely needed to be a hit to like pay back, you know, what it costed because you, you know, no cgi, just like Top Gun Maverick that Joseph Kaczynski did. Like they're using practical stuff like Brad Pitt was in an F1 car. Him and you know, Damon Idris, the other act of the movie, they were driving real cars, maybe not going 200 miles an hour. I mean they were getting close. But there was on screen shots and stuff. It wasn't just them sitting in like, you know, a little plastic tube with a green screen behind themselves to establish these scenes.
[00:12:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I thought it was like almost a little Michael Bayish where it could have used like another level of like, you know, script writing and stuff like that. But other than that though, it was pretty fun to watch.
[00:12:12] Speaker C: I would say. I'd say it's better than a Michael Bay. But I get what you're saying, what I'll say about this movie and then my, you know, we're not into the movie podcast.
[00:12:19] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:12:20] Speaker C: I long want to start here at a certain point. But what I'll long say about it is this is the kind of classic, you know, summer action movie that was a staple of our youth in the 90s that you would just get, you know, you know, a 70 million dollar action movie that's just like great. Like I'll think of like the Nick Cage run of the 90s where I get the rock Conair, gone in 60 seconds, you know, Face off, like something like that. That's like a run.
[00:12:48] Speaker A: That was a good run, right?
[00:12:49] Speaker C: Like, it's just, I mean that was that thing or, you know, I'm gonna get something like, you know, cult favorite of mine, the Negotiator, Samuel Jackson, Kevin Spacy, Chicago. You know, you know, we, we don't get those type of movies where it's like, hey, this is like, this is a solid 70% movie on rotten tomatoes. It's a quick like 90 to 110 minute movie. Simple plot, simple action, clear bad guy, what's going on? Like they don't they don't make that stuff. Everything's built for the franchise. This is a little bit of a higher tier, obviously, of a budget for the F1 movie. But as much as, again, I love Marvel and Star wars and all that stuff in the franchise, stuff that. That brings to Hollywood, there's. There's an element of like, hey, you can get a bunch of dudes like us going to the movie to watch, like just a simple action movie that you can make for additional price that has this. And this is. This is what I feel that this movie kind of brings about.
[00:13:41] Speaker A: Nah. Finally watched it. My cousin was not appreciative of me laughing. A lot of parts in the movie. I just.
The accent was.
[00:13:48] Speaker C: I'll be honest, I would have been. I would have been the same. When you started your review here, I'm like, dude, are we about to fight right now over the F1 movie?
[00:13:53] Speaker A: Because, like, dude, the accent just.
He's like, that's just the way he talks, man. Like, that's not the way Brad talks at all, dude.
[00:14:02] Speaker C: I feel it is the way he talks, man. He's not trying to be a German guy in World War II or whatever like that. Or it's.
[00:14:08] Speaker A: You gotta watch it again. Like, watch the Glorious Bastard, then watch that movie. Like it is.
[00:14:12] Speaker C: So.
[00:14:13] Speaker A: Oh, no, I gotta. I gotta do that portion.
[00:14:15] Speaker B: I guess you gotta kind of watch a couple of his movies after that movie to determine, like, hey, is this how he talks?
[00:14:21] Speaker A: Or. Yeah, he's never talked like this before.
[00:14:24] Speaker C: I don't know. Because it was in Glorious Bastards. He's talking the same way he's talking in the Tarantino movie.
[00:14:31] Speaker A: Which one?
[00:14:33] Speaker C: The one with DiCaprio that they're making the prequel to right now.
[00:14:37] Speaker B: Oh, that.
[00:14:38] Speaker C: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
[00:14:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I never saw that.
[00:14:41] Speaker B: I never saw that one either.
[00:14:43] Speaker A: It didn't look good.
[00:14:44] Speaker C: It's a good.
It's good. I would say like in like three hours or something.
[00:14:49] Speaker A: That's how everyone describes it.
[00:14:50] Speaker B: Like it's good.
[00:14:52] Speaker C: Well, they said it was one of Tarantino. They said it's one Tarantino's best, but I disagree. I'm, you know, you know, for me, like Pulp Fiction and.
[00:15:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:00] Speaker C: You know, some of these others.
[00:15:02] Speaker B: Tarantino's older stuff was really good.
Yeah, like.
[00:15:06] Speaker A: Like the raw stuff's really good. It's like watching the.
What was that three hour scorecities movie that he brought Dinero back and the Irishman.
[00:15:15] Speaker C: Terrible movie.
[00:15:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:16] Speaker A: I was 20 minutes in. I'm like, I'm not watching more wax Makeup stuff. I'm done. This is bad.
[00:15:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:15:23] Speaker A: Guys dressed like 20 year olds. This is terrible.
[00:15:25] Speaker C: I. I remember arguing with my family about that because they, like, you know, they're just old school. You know, they love Scorsese and De Niro. And someone's like, this movie needed to be about. It needed to be about an hour shorter at the max. Like, this was like, hey, it might have started a good story. Scorsese, now that he's just got all this power, man, he just doesn't hire an editor. Because this last movie he made, too, was like three hour plus long too, that I was checked out in. I'm sure it was great, but, like, April. Yeah, yeah, it was Scorsese, DiCaprio. It was. De Niro was in it too.
Forgot. Forgot what that movie was.
[00:15:57] Speaker B: But he's got one right there. Rome. Rome's ready to edit. He's available.
[00:16:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm ready to edit now. Yeah, editing takes forever. All right. That was a big side quest. I just want to mention I did watch F1. I enjoyed it, but I thought it was comical. And I'll watch it again, maybe like on a better setting, like in a movie theater setting. But the accent just, like, cracked me up, dude.
That cracked me up. And then. And then a spine stuff. You shouldn't be driving. And then he crashes. I thought he was gonna die on the track.
[00:16:26] Speaker C: The funny stuff. You go into that room. Because if you were following. Well, you weren't, but I definitely was. When they were filming this movie, there was a Twitter account that was like. I guess it was a parody account that was the. The Apex F1 Team Twitter account. And when they were filming these things at the races, there was like, you know, fan videos of, like, things that go on. And so spoiler alert if you haven't watched the movie yet, he crashes in Las Vegas because he's just driving angry.
[00:16:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:55] Speaker C: And so in the movie itself, like, he's driving angry. They're in the thing. He ends up crashing in the wall going into the final stretch across the start finish line. And then he wakes up at the hospital. Sorry, Aaron, for you seeing this, but there was video going around though, of them of him fainting on the. On the Strip and everything, like, too. And so, like, none of that wounded in the movie where he was just, like, wonder stumbling around and then like, fainted and stuff. So there was a lot of different stuff, I think, in the cutting room floor.
[00:17:20] Speaker A: I remember people talking about the crashes. And then when watch the movie, like, wait a minute. Like, that's not what I heard happen know when they're filming shots. So yeah, they must have filmed extra stuff. It didn't make it or they. They. They just chopped it up differently. But definitely a must. I'm not sure if it's the best sports movie in the past quarter century. I think I have to go back and review it. But I know that was like Bill Simmons Big thing and everyone else.
It was good though.
[00:17:45] Speaker C: I had to put a comprehensive list together. Think of the best sports movie. I mean in the last 25 years.
[00:17:50] Speaker A: Not a lot of good has come out. Moneyball's good.
[00:17:53] Speaker C: Moneyball is the one like I hold together. I know you people can throw. Poke holes in. It is like they over index on the players that are in there and they don't. They never talk about Zito, Mulder and Hudson one time in that movie and why they. They were competitive and won the 20 plus consecutive games or whatever it was in that movie.
There's. There's some. There's some solid sort movies. We could say that for another time. Rome.
[00:18:14] Speaker B: That's.
[00:18:14] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We will. We will. Yeah. Anyways. F1 go watch it. It's hilarious. It's so funny, dude. The accent.
Tell me it's not Inglorious bastards.
All right, so back to Brazil Grand Prix Thoughts going into this. Predictions, et cetera, et cetera.
[00:18:33] Speaker C: Yeah, I think the weather's the big wild card. This is probably out of the last three, the most difficult one we're probably gonna be able to predict.
We'll say it every week, I think lead up into Las Vegas. But Aaron and I are hedging on the Mercedes when we get to Las Vegas here in a couple of weeks.
So I think George Russell looked good for that. I think George could look good in this race too. But I think you give the edge to Verstappen. He's the betting favorite. I think he's the. Whatever the wild card is, the weather, he needs those he needs to make up positions. I think you likely see him get the win. I think Lando just been driving much better than pretty much every other driver out there. Especially his teammate at this point too. And when it comes to qualifying, he's been there as well too. So I'd expect know a podium finish out Orlando, probably second piastri. I. I just don't know what you're getting. He had a good kind of recovery drive throughout, throughout, throughout the Mexican Grand Prix. But yeah, you know, hasn't been there getting outscored.
Charles Leclair has been Looking good the last two weeks in Mexico and, and, and there. So you could see him getting the podium again, getting third. And if it's the weather, I gotta think Lewis Hamilton. I don't. I. You have to check me on this. I know I'm joining the stack guy. This. I don't think Hamilton's ever had a season where he hasn't been on the podium. And so now you have four races to go and he's never been on the podium. This might be his best shot. Brazil is like his second home. Loves, you know, loves Brazil. I think he's an honorary citizen of there.
If it does rain, I think he's one of the favorites could be up there. So if he qualifies, well, gets into it. I could see him sneaking on the podium too.
[00:20:09] Speaker A: I keep on hearing about his epic, like overtake in like 2008. I wrote it down somewhere. It was. Or Toyota's Timo Glock.
It was in 2008 and that's what got him to become the champion. Was that his first time in 2008?
[00:20:25] Speaker C: Yep, that was his first time. That was his one and only title with McLaren his second year in F1.
But yeah, I mean, when you look at old clips of Lewis as you guys, you know, newer to the sport and watch just like how great he was for, you know, the entire.
[00:20:41] Speaker B: The face of F1. I mean, I, I remember never watching it, but it was always like, Lewis Hamilton. Lewis Hamilton. He was. Espn, always was covering him.
[00:20:49] Speaker A: I, I never really followed him. I, I just like. Because I dress sometimes a little weird and everyone's like, what were you trying to dress like? Lewis Hamilton? Like, I don't know who the that is, but now I get it.
[00:20:59] Speaker C: I think I, I think, I think Lewis, like, I mean, a little bit like Tiger woods when you look at golf, you know, 25 plus years ago, whatever. Like, you know, he, he is it. He's beyond the sport. You know, he, he has brought a lot of people to this sport prior to drive to survive. I think that was obviously the surge in popularity.
But when you think a global star out of anyone in F1, like, he, he, he personifies that. And you mentioned the dressing, but I mean, he, this guy's a fashion icon when it comes into it too. Beyond like the racing aspect where, you know, you compare to him versus Verstappen, like, Verstappen's just a pure driver, man. This guy's just like, racing's his life. He doesn't want to do anything else. But racing. If it's not racing Formula one. He's racing, you know, endurance cars. He's racing Sims and E racing and things like that. Where Hamilton is Verstappen.
[00:21:50] Speaker B: The Sonny Hayes version of the F1 the movie.
No racing. Whatever.
[00:21:58] Speaker A: Whatever's got it would be Hulkenberg. I think.
[00:22:01] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I think that I, I think if, if there was an injury out there that brought him back or whatever, something. But yeah, Hulk Hulkenberg was away, didn't have a ride. I don't think it's a perfect comparison. But yeah, it'd be somebody like that who never, who never won and maybe.
[00:22:14] Speaker A: Everyone respected him but just never won it.
[00:22:17] Speaker C: Yeah, that's a good one. Rome. I mean I there. And I don't think anyone perfectly lines up to the Sunny Hayes character because I don't think you're going to get a guy who is a prodigy. You got into a bad accident and comes back 25 years later.
[00:22:27] Speaker A: Into F1 storyline too though is like, oh, he just gets in an accident like right in earliest career. Never comes back. Just wins in every other circuit. And then like, oh, I need you to save my team. They're gonna make make me sell it come. I'm offering you a seat on F1.
Okay, sure. It's like what?
[00:22:44] Speaker C: Well, I mean I think the background again, you're trashing the movie here, Rome.
[00:22:47] Speaker A: But in the background he's like movie? Am I trash movie Aaron?
[00:22:50] Speaker B: I mean you're not giving it lighted reviews. You're kind of like Rome. You're kind of like your picks. It's like you're leaning one way, then you're leaning the other way. I'm not sure which way you're really leaning here.
You're kind of wish you're a little wishy washy for me. You're.
[00:23:03] Speaker C: You're glossing over the team. It's a fledgling team. They, you know, he was the ninth choice. Rome. They didn't go to him first. It was like, no, nobody wants to drive for this team. They're basically, I mean give or take. They're kind of like hos to a degree where we're like, okay, they don't got a lot of money. We got to take a guy and a chance. You know, there was a time the hos drivers, you know, they basically signed like the son of a Russian oligarch, you know, to drive one of their cars for a while.
And then. But hos, the team that brought Hulkenberg back and got him back at there for one after he didn't have a run. So you know, you know, I'm giving your, your comparison a little bit of credence there. I don't know why we got Talked to this F1 movie again though.
[00:23:43] Speaker B: I think he wanted. That was his big segment when he talked earlier. I'm gonna bring him back from the movie.
[00:23:49] Speaker C: I'm looking forward to this race, though. I think this is the biggest wild card of the remaining four.
You know, you got a.
It's a sprint weekend, so you're gonna get additional like, you know, the Saturday component into it. More points up for grab. This is where vers.
You get, you know, it's an 8 through 1 point allocation in the Sprint.
[00:24:10] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:24:11] Speaker C: And so you'll have one here and I believe Cutter has got the other one two races from now. So that's where Verstappen's got to get it. If you think back to the Austin sprints, both McLaren's got knocked out in that one. Verstappen got eight points on both of them. And I think he believes, I think he needs nine points per weekend to catch up to Lando and that's. He's going to need some success out of that too. So for Lando's sake, he needs to have a good result. But also these guys got to maintain points. So I think that's where McLaren, the drama there is like, they could lose the championship if these guys go at. Go hard to add each other. But then it becomes like, okay, we get down to it, you know, what's the strategy? So you're not favoring one driver over the other because I think it'll be a pretty clear picture, you know, wherever Stappen stands in, you know, the driver's championship, you know, probably after Vegas would be my guess. And then, you know, if McLaren does their job right, it should come down to Abu Dhabi and a showdown between the two drivers. And then, hey, you guys do what you, you know, figure out what's going to go there.
[00:25:15] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll see. I mean, I don't, I don't believe the Red Bull does pretty. That does well when it's cold out. From what I can remember, they usually weren't racing as well. I mean, Jason and I have touched on it. We like George Russell in Vegas. He could come in, in South Paulo and race well.
You know, Verstappen, if he has a good weekend, you, you know, he's, he's gonna put the pressure on. I think the key is, you know, for Oscar. Can he have a good race, can he get back on the podium? I think it's important for him to get on the podium to keep pressure on Lando and to keep his championship hopes alive. Because I think a fifth or sixth place finish and Lando finishing first or second, we could see Piastri fall away to third place and Verstappen be going second or first when this thing's all said and done.
[00:25:55] Speaker A: Okay, you guys want to do some predictions for top 10 or at least podium?
[00:26:01] Speaker B: I got some odds for you, Rome, if you're interested for podium.
[00:26:04] Speaker A: Top three, let's hear it.
[00:26:07] Speaker B: So top three, let me see. Let me go back and find here fastest last. So you got players got plus 120, George Russell's plus 130, Lando's a big minus 450, Verstappen's a big minus 500. And then Oscar Piastri's minus 143. So these are your top three odds to finish on podium and you got Lewis Hamilton's at +220. So you know that, you know, Jason says he likes him here this week, so. And this is before quality, before qualifying. Obviously after qualifying. These odds will change once you know what position they are in too. So these are all. You're going to get better odds right now on, you know, Piastre and those guys at minus 140, plus 200 before qualifying. Especially if they get, you know, P1, P2 or P3.
[00:26:54] Speaker C: I know my bias is clear if you're talking podium Rome, I think Verstappen wins this race. I think Lando second. And I think this is Lewis's time, you know, to get the podium. You know, it's bias, but I think this is, this is the track that he can do it. And I think this is where he probably outpaces LeClaire. And for Orlando and Max, I think this is where they put Oscar a little bit more into the distance this weekend.
[00:27:17] Speaker A: What I'm hoping for is a little change up. I hope Bordelletto does well, maybe gets podium, shakes things up. Hamilton gets podium, Lando gets podium, and then everyone else can finish out the top five however they want to do it. But I like to see some unforeseen drivers take podium in this one.
[00:27:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I think 1 and 2 Verstappen, Lando makes sense. Oscar, I'm worried about him. Hasn't raced well. Maybe he surprises, doesn't get first or second, you know. You know, I'm keeping an eye on George Russell. I think he's gonna have a good race. I think he's a sneaky one. To get on the podium this weekend.
[00:27:52] Speaker A: What's the name of the driver that, that the other driver, Sonny Hayes's counterpoint, the ERA guy?
[00:28:01] Speaker C: Damon Idris.
Joshua Pierce.
[00:28:04] Speaker A: Joshua Pierce, Yeah.
I, I hope Oscar Piastri just drives angry, you know, and, and, and takes too much on a turn and crashes and, you know, I think he's already.
[00:28:18] Speaker B: Done that Rome more than once over the last past few races.
[00:28:21] Speaker C: I'm not hoping for that. I want, I want a championship showdown. I want a little bit of a drama with it. But I do think that momentum is definitely in Lando's way. And again, you know, I've said at the beginning of the year, this is Lando's year to win the championship. We don't know what the 20, 26 regs are going to be. Is McLaren going to have the dominance? Dominance? You never know when your years in Formula one where you get, you could get one shot, but winning a championship. Aaron wasn't on for our NASCAR segment where I was ripping NASCAR a little bit on Sunday. But, you know, a guy like Denny Hamlin, who is the Greatest NASCAR driver, 20 plus seasons, never won a championship. You know, it comes down to him for one race there at the Chase and you know, we, he may never win the championship. And for Formula One, you look at the legacy of Formula One little like basketball, where you have dynasties. When you think about the Schumacher era, the Hamilton era, the Verstappen era, right now, you know, these guys, when, when there's somebody winning or constructors winning, it's for a prolonged period of time. And then in between that, there's some guys that, you know, won the championship and, you know, you, you become the world champion one time, you know, it stays, it stays on the resume. And I think some of these guys are just looking for that one time. I think this is that one year for Orlando where early goes. And I, I posed this question. I can't remember last Formula one pod. I know Rome, you're a little bit about it too. But how close this gets in the drama into that final race, I'm really questioning what the, what, what's the future of, of McLaren between these two drivers? Because someone's gonna win and someone's gonna lose, and what are the feelings of that person that definitely loses going into next season. And you get, you know, they got contracts and all sort of weird stuff. But, you know, there could be some feelings one way or the other. It was already starting iffy last year with some manipulation on who should finish ahead, where and what the Papaya rules so famous. Like, you know, there, there's, there could be some hurt feelings.
[00:30:13] Speaker B: Does someone rat out the papaya rolls? Does like if. I don't think Lando would. But Piastri, like if he leaves say in a couple years, does he kind of basically pin him on blast? Like, hey, these were the rules. This how it was internally. I think it only gets interesting if it stays close. Like if Oscar has a bad week and it gets six or seven, Orlando wins, I think the drama from it goes away. But if they go into the final race and whoever wins that race or, or gets second takes home the driver's championship, I think that's real interesting. I, you know, we've had a really drama filled year in a lot of sports, so I, hopefully we can get it or maybe even Verstappen gets back in there in the sprint race. Like Jason said, it gets a lot more points this weekend. It's a lot like that could happen. So I think Sao Paulo is going to be a big race here and entertaining. I think it's, I think we're going to see some stuff we're not expecting this weekend.
[00:31:04] Speaker C: The Verstappen end of it is, is the most interesting thing I think you made because there hasn't been a ton of love for the McLaren showdown because it's been more about the politicking in the, in the drivers versus this, the 2021 season that you guys didn't get to witness where it was Mercedes Hamilton versus Red Bull, Verstappen and it was two teams battling it out and these guys had an on track trash and Silverstone that was pretty memorable and just different drama throughout the season. But it was two, two teams dueling, you know, two chop drivers at the top of their game, dueling for a championship where here, hey, you got two pretty good drivers in a great car and it's like we're politicking over some stuff and it hasn't been as drama where the really the villain of Formula one has been Verstappen the past couple years because of his dominance and just overall, you know, he just doesn't have the, you know, maybe if it's the charisma or whatever, the guy's just a pure racer pre race car driver. But they've turned Hamill or stop it. If we're going right, we're throwing wrestling into this. Verstappen was a heel and he's kind of getting turned into the baby face right now because there's people rooting at a certain point now for, hey, he can get a fifth world championship in a row and we'd rather see that versus, like the political bickering between McLaren choosing who they're gonna win the championship.
[00:32:20] Speaker B: I agree, I agree with that, Jason. But do we see a, he'll come from McLaren. Does somebody turn, does somebody turn hill towards the end here and just does their own thing, their own rules and says, I want to go for it. I don't care what the team says.
[00:32:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I think we're already seeing that.
[00:32:37] Speaker C: I think it's coming down to it. I, I, my, my guess is we'll.
[00:32:40] Speaker B: More see it if I think, I think Piastri's bowling. I think the water's getting hot and getting ready to boil over. We've been seeing it for the last, what, four or five races?
[00:32:50] Speaker A: Yeah, 100%.
Final thoughts, rookies.
[00:32:55] Speaker C: I want to talk about that. Rome, you've, you've been talking a little about Gabrielle Bortoletto and you got him squeaking in the podium. Maybe, you know, he's been good. Ali Bearman had the good race in Mexico, got points in Singapore and the US Grand Prix.
Also had points in the Netherlands. And then was it Britain? I think Great Britain. He did at the British Grand Prix and then he had a string of like, I don't know if he set the F1 record for like how many times he finished 11th and didn't get points. So if you're looking at Rookie of the Year, we've talked a lot of these different great drivers. It's, it was, it's a tremendous class with, you know, where Isaac Hajar has been like, Hajar's 10th in points right now. You know, he's, you know, you know, top, you know, top of some of these drivers and the mid car teams. But Bearman's got the surging. Bordetto's put in some good runs where he's kind of outpaced Hulkenberg a little bit. I think Kimmy Antonelli is getting kind of dismissed because he's got the more dominant car, but you look at him, it's seventh in the points right now.
So, I mean, there's, there's a bright future for Formula one that I think, you know, as you guys have experienced your first season, interesting. Out of this group of like four or five drivers, out of these rookies this season, like, hey, this is a crop of guys. They're going to be driving for the championship here over the next, you know, in the next, you know, four or five years.
[00:34:16] Speaker A: He has six races that he finished 11th or 12th. That's crazy.
[00:34:21] Speaker C: Yeah. Which is the crazy thing about the, the Formula one point system. Like I, I don't know how they revamp it. Like to me, like I think the more teams should be in the points than just the top 10. Because I think there should be. Especially when you're deciding like the constructors on like 5th through 10th, 10. Like you're telling me a guy not finishing the race is the same as a guy finishing 11th five races in a row. Like I'm, I think there could be some more distinction on how these guys are actually going the whole Grand Prix because there's, there's elements of some of these races where it becomes like, ah, no one cares because we're in 12th place. We can get some batter battles on the track if these guys are actually fighting for points, you know, more down the order.
[00:34:58] Speaker A: Yeah, if you don't finish, I get that. Zero points. But yeah, even if you finished 11th, you still got zero points. Like at least if you finish 10th or you know, you know, whatever. One point going up to maybe two or three. I don't know how you divide that. And then going on from there. That'd be interesting.
[00:35:15] Speaker C: Yeah, well, I mean, I think it'll be. Well, we have the 22 teams next season, so I, I think going down to at least like a 15th would be okay.
And it's still the same point allocations, 25. Maybe it's a different way they cut the points up.
I mean back in the day it was like, I don't know, it was like the top five only got points. And that's why like there was like races where drivers like didn't even race for a couple races but they, you know, won a bunch. And so it was different. I mean the current system isn't bad. I ripped the, the NASCAR system on Sunday spot. It is still way better than the crap system NASCAR has. But yeah, I, I think there, there's an argument to be made of points going all the way down to 15th place to understand, you know, mid car battles. When you're talking about the importance of finishing, you know, fifth through ninth in the constructors and where things are at, it puts too much on to like, you know, last year, Alpine was a perfect example. Brazil race happened, they did a favorable strategy in the rain. They get Ocon and Gasly second and third on the podium and those guys goes from last place up to like six in the constructors just on one race. And it doesn't even factor to all the terrible finishes those Guys had for, like, 20 other races out of the year.
[00:36:29] Speaker B: Would there be a point system for. If you don't finish or get DQ'd or whatever? Negative point system coming.
Like, negative three, negative five if you're gonna reward 15 spots.
[00:36:41] Speaker C: I don't. I don't think so. Only just because, like, in Formula one, because basically, like, they throw in the towel, like, if they go off the track and anything happens and they gotta get towed and there's basically, like, race over on, like, nascar. We're like these guys on the. On the season finale of nascar, the final race, man, you. These guys blowing out tires, smash into the wall, you know, change his tire and get back in the race. Like Formula one, you blow out a tire and you can't get around. I mean, the race is kind of over for you, So I don't know if you go negative.
[00:37:05] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, cool. Well, I'm excited for the race this weekend. We'll try to get Andrew on the recap. Maybe. We'll see.
Depends how funny he has this weekend, I guess. Maybe.
[00:37:17] Speaker B: Maybe, you know, what, a month ago, he's working on his Spanish. Maybe he's working on his Portuguese. This week in Rome. We'll find out.
[00:37:22] Speaker A: Maybe real quick. Lakers won. 118. 116.
[00:37:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Tight blazer. Blazers beat the Thunder, so there's. There's no longer an undefeated team in the NBA.
[00:37:33] Speaker A: We'll talk basketball soon enough. Lots of good stuff. Lots of crazy storylines. Are Chicago real or not? We don't know, but this was F1. Any final comments?
[00:37:43] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:37:44] Speaker C: You try to take your shots at Chicago out the way. You're giving updates on the Lakers, you know, you know, the Blackhawks won and beat the Canucks five to two tonight, and then the Bulls came back from a huge deficit last night and beat the 76ers pretty.
[00:37:54] Speaker B: Pretty much a triple double of a triple double.
[00:37:56] Speaker C: So, I mean, we're on the F1 pot, but you're shot on Lakers stuff and you're just dismissing the Bulls. What?
[00:38:01] Speaker B: I mean, the Lakers aren't on the podium, and the Bulls are right now, so let's just leave it at that.
[00:38:08] Speaker A: Not. No, no chance. Because this is a Red Wings podcast here.
Nine wins, five losses. Second, what about the Ducks?
[00:38:16] Speaker B: Eight and three right now.
Two wins over the Florida Panthers.
Possible preview Stanley Cup Final for the repeat. You never know.
[00:38:22] Speaker A: They brought the old logo back, though. I like it. The Ducks, they brought it back.
[00:38:26] Speaker C: Blackhawks beat the Ducks earlier in the season.
[00:38:29] Speaker B: Yeah, they did. They're what 6 and 5 now.
[00:38:31] Speaker A: Blackhawks, it's like. It's like, right, like when you're a kid and like the kids, like, well, your mom's a hoe. Like, that's it.
[00:38:39] Speaker C: All right. I didn't say that, Rome. But what I will say. And you're gonna get tired of me saying this, right? God is on our side in Chicago. It's the Pope's team now. And so, you know, the Bears, we, you know, we get the win with the Bears. The Bulls riding high. The Blackhawks, they thought they'd be one of the worst teams in the league. And they're sitting in six and five. It's Chicago's time.
[00:39:00] Speaker A: God may be on side, maybe on your side. Just leave the kids out of it.
[00:39:05] Speaker B: Okay.
That was.
[00:39:08] Speaker C: Yeah, I got what you're doing there. Leave that off the stand up list. Rome. That would. That wouldn't hit.
[00:39:13] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. That was a dud. Rome.
[00:39:15] Speaker A: That was a dude.
That was hilarious.
[00:39:18] Speaker B: Use that one to wipe your ass next time.
[00:39:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:22] Speaker B: All right.
[00:39:23] Speaker A: That'll do for F1 coverage. Preview. I don't think we have. We've ever done a preview. At least not in a while. Brazil.
Brazilian Grand Prix this weekend. I'll do it for us. Me, Rome, Jason and Aaron, we are out.
